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NibeIungsnarf
11/08/18 3:36:35 AM
#51:


pres_madagascar posted...
NibeIungsnarf posted...
Blitz4532 posted...
I never played FFXV but wanted to try it, what makes it so bad?

Story is a disconnected mess

Gameplay is literally a joke where you have to put in a conscious effort to fail

Open world is empty and dead

Sidequests are generic MMO fetch quests with NPCs who have no effort put into them

You can complete the entire game using nothing but warp strike. I know because I did. I made it a fucking point to see how much of the game I could do with just one move.

The answer is all of it.

Doesn't help that the progression system incentivizes Warp Strike spam as its the easiest way to gain AP or whatever its called.
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NibeIungsnarf
11/08/18 3:38:25 AM
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Dragonblade01 posted...
The open world of FFXV is fine

Definitely not.

Dragonblade01 posted...
the combat is just as fun as most FF games.

Fun is a subjective standard. It's certainly more braindead than most FF games.
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Dragonblade01
11/08/18 3:41:29 AM
#53:


NibeIungsnarf posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
The open world of FFXV is fine

Definitely not.

Definitely. I was never lacking for interesting things to see while I played.

NibeIungsnarf posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
the combat is just as fun as most FF games.

Fun is a subjective standard. It's certainly more braindead than most FF games.

I don't understand why people constantly overestimate how much thought you had to put into most of the FF games.
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JE19426
11/08/18 3:42:59 AM
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solosnake posted...
This is the best news I have heard from SE in a long time. Maybe they actually got someone semi-competent in charge now. Anyone with a brain would have just cut their losses with 15 and put all production towards something else. You dont keep people working in that envirioment that caused the game to delay over a DECADE. You get them out of their shake it up and hope not to repeat.

They had literally been engratiating themselves in their delay everything culture and high fiving each other for a job well done.


Hajime Tabata was only in charge of FFXV's development for like 4 years, before release.
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pres_madagascar
11/08/18 3:43:14 AM
#55:


NibeIungsnarf posted...
pres_madagascar posted...
NibeIungsnarf posted...
Blitz4532 posted...
I never played FFXV but wanted to try it, what makes it so bad?

Story is a disconnected mess

Gameplay is literally a joke where you have to put in a conscious effort to fail

Open world is empty and dead

Sidequests are generic MMO fetch quests with NPCs who have no effort put into them

You can complete the entire game using nothing but warp strike. I know because I did. I made it a fucking point to see how much of the game I could do with just one move.

The answer is all of it.

Doesn't help that the progression system incentivizes Warp Strike spam as its the easiest way to gain AP or whatever its called.

Yep. It's kind of sad.
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PhazonReborn
11/08/18 3:47:54 AM
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FFXV was the biggest pile of shit game ever released by SE. What a fucking joke that it is still even getting DLC let alone attention from human beings
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spikethedevil
11/08/18 4:33:35 AM
#57:


PhazonReborn posted...
FFXV was the biggest pile of shit game ever released by SE. What a fucking joke that it is still even getting DLC let alone attention from human beings


You clearly never played XIII or II @PhazonReborn
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Youngster_Joey_
11/08/18 4:44:17 AM
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Did FFXV really have a 24 hour long boss fight?
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Oldin
11/08/18 4:48:37 AM
#59:


Youngster_Joey_ posted...
Did FFXV really have a 24 hour long boss fight?

Youngster_Joey_ posted...
Did FFXV really have a 24 hour long boss fight?

u mean the adamantoise?
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MrMallard
11/08/18 4:51:50 AM
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XIII certainly wasn't great, the level capping and absolute linearity is awful, but I didn't mind the characters so much and it has a pretty solid ending at least. And when they decided to push sequels out to recoup costs, they actually made better games than XIII. The game is a mess and it left the franchise in shambles due to development hell - you could even argue that the start of XIII's issues were the start of XV's issues - but it left a pretty fun legacy in XIII-2. Couldn't tell you about LR, but I'm planning to play it and I have high hopes - nothing wrong with a good popcorn story.

All I see from XV is a poorly received action game with some style and fairly little substance, millions of dollars in costs going towards a prequel anime series on YouTube and a CGI movie, an out-of-touch Tekken 7 cameo (would have been a better SC choice), a mobile game that was later ported to console (meaning that XV exists in two different forms on the exact same console, in PS4 and Xbone's case) and debt. SE have spread themselves too thin with XIII, XV/13-Versus and VII-R - though somehow their mobile games and XIV continue to do well - and it could very well be too late to recover the mainline Final Fantasy franchise.

Outside of the odd spinoff like WoFF, they can't manage this IP competently any more. That much is clear.
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pres_madagascar
11/08/18 5:05:25 AM
#61:


Youngster_Joey_ posted...
Did FFXV really have a 24 hour long boss fight?

72 hours of in game time, in real time it's about 2 hours, but yes. I didn't do it because I heard the reward is useless.
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fan357
11/08/18 5:13:43 AM
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Youngster_Joey_ posted...
Did FFXV really have a 24 hour long boss fight?

No. It was really boring but I still did it.
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Vyrulisse
11/08/18 6:03:29 AM
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https://twitter.com/FFXVEN/status/1060401779794268161

Trailer for the XV side of the Crossover thingy. Ya'll getting to fight Garuda. Have fun. :P
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Tyranthraxus
11/08/18 6:09:58 AM
#64:


spikethedevil posted...
PhazonReborn posted...
FFXV was the biggest pile of shit game ever released by SE. What a fucking joke that it is still even getting DLC let alone attention from human beings


You clearly never played XIII or II @PhazonReborn


XIII was fucking boring but a mess the way XV was.

II had a decent story the gameplay was just shit.
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Darkninja42
11/08/18 6:39:22 AM
#65:


pres_madagascar posted...
Youngster_Joey_ posted...
Did FFXV really have a 24 hour long boss fight?

72 hours of in game time, in real time it's about 2 hours, but yes. I didn't do it because I heard the reward is useless.

With the right setup you could beat it in 10 minutes. It is mostly a bragging rights thing though.
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AvantgardeAClue
11/08/18 6:52:59 AM
#66:


Fuck man

Apparently this DLC was supposed to fix that shit ending in the main game too

The fact that they're still working on the game after he left boggles me

Get your shit together SE damn
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AvantgardeAClue
11/08/18 6:54:17 AM
#67:


pres_madagascar posted...
I feel like square doesn't know what to do with final fantasy, they seem to be trying to capture the wrpg crowd, but fail to see the JRPG Renaissance happening all around them. Hell, square even made dq11 and ocopath traveler and Nier automata.

Like, why can't they give final fantasy that treatment?


Nier Automata is the brainchild of Yoko Taro and Platinum Games. Octopath was worked on by the Bravely Default devs. Square Enix just published it, like all the good games that go through them nowadays
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Vyrulisse
11/08/18 6:57:07 AM
#68:


AvantgardeAClue posted...
Fuck man

Apparently this DLC was supposed to fix that shit ending in the main game too

The fact that they're still working on the game after he left boggles me

Get your shit together SE damn

Ardyn and this Garuda crossover thing were probably either done or very close. The rest being outright cancelled should tell you that they weren't even close enough to try and salvage.
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AvantgardeAClue
11/08/18 6:59:42 AM
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What's infuriating about this is that that the Noctis/Lunafreya/Areana DLC actually sounded interesting and I was looking forward to it since apparently the team wasn't really paying attention to Tabata when they made it so the quality was better

But like most modern Square Enix things it was too good to be true, smh
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Tyranthraxus
11/08/18 7:07:46 AM
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lmao the Areana DLC was the only thing I was looking forward to that was going to make me repurchase the game.

Oh well.

Massive pile of dogshit gonna massive pile of dogshit.
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fire_bolt
11/08/18 7:10:27 AM
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I bet that hack Motomu Toriyama is still working there though. Tabata hadn't really had a chance to work on his own project before. He got shoehorned onto FF15 when Nomura moved to a different project. Sucks he's taking the fall for a project he had little creative input in.
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Ving_Rhames
11/08/18 7:16:11 AM
#73:


Whack.
I was at least looking forward to the Aranea one. Oh well. Can finally uninstall that pos for good then.
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apolloooo
11/08/18 7:19:07 AM
#74:


seems like tabata to be the fall guy for tetsuya nomura's incompetent-ness.

tabata salvaged what he could from a broken mess of a project and ship a playable game and got booted.

nomura stumble around like an idiot headless chicken, wasting millions of company money and time and got more project. i don't understand SE management.

nomura is a shit writer, a shit director, a shit designer even he sucks as an artists, his characters are waaay overdesigned and everyone looks like they are designed by guy in his 40s who enver get out of their emo phase
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pikachupwnage
11/08/18 7:21:34 AM
#75:


Eventually Nomuras characters will just be differently colored piles of belts animated by magic.
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Superlinkbro
11/08/18 7:22:45 AM
#76:


I'm already expecting the FFVII remake to be full of terrible DLC and Microtransactions.
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apolloooo
11/08/18 7:23:46 AM
#77:


Yoshitaka Amano is way way way waaaaaaaay more superior than any of tetsuya nomura's crap. dude's a fucking beast of an artist.
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Vyrulisse
11/08/18 7:25:38 AM
#78:


Superlinkbro posted...
I'm already expecting the FFVII remake to be full of terrible DLC and Microtransactions.

At this point I consider it vaporware. The last news we got about it was how SE scrapped everything made and "fired" the company they outsourced it to.
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IdiotMachine
11/08/18 7:29:53 AM
#79:


Vyrulisse posted...
Superlinkbro posted...
I'm already expecting the FFVII remake to be full of terrible DLC and Microtransactions.

At this point I consider it vaporware. The last news we got about it was how SE scrapped everything made and "fired" the company they outsourced it to.

Which was fake news.
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Blue_Inigo
11/08/18 7:58:08 AM
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Tabata did his best with the train wreck of a project he was handed. It's a bit sad he's taking the hit when Nomura was screwing around with this game for a good 5 or 6 years. The game has a lot of flaws but it's still pretty fun. It's a shame they couldn't do everything they wanted with it. Oh well, guess that means I can play the game once the Ardyn DLC is out.
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DarkRoast
11/08/18 7:59:12 AM
#81:


I liked FFXV but it was pretty obviously unfinished.
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VectorChaos
11/08/18 7:59:51 AM
#82:


Man, seems like all the companies who's games I grew up loving are either dead and buried like Westwood or a fucking shadow of their former selves like Blizzard and Square Enix
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pikachupwnage
11/08/18 8:06:09 AM
#83:


If Sqaure Enix didnt take 5-10 years on every major project and stopped fucking up maybe they wouldnt lose money.

Also they could stop trying to make FF a multimedia series. You think that horrible flop of a movie wouldve done to Sqaure Enix what the Mario Bros Movie did to Nintendo(It took Nintendo nearly 30 years to pull the trigger on a new Mario Movie)

Seriously every release its like Machinabridged.

Dont fuck up

Usually followed by

Ah you fucked up
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Devil_Katt_II
11/08/18 8:07:00 AM
#84:


VectorChaos posted...
Man, seems like all the companies who's games I grew up loving are either dead and buried like Westwood or a fucking shadow of their former selves like Blizzard and Square Enix

I blame this need for "realism" in graphics
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AvantgardeAClue
11/08/18 8:09:10 AM
#85:


Devil_Katt_II posted...
VectorChaos posted...
Man, seems like all the companies who's games I grew up loving are either dead and buried like Westwood or a fucking shadow of their former selves like Blizzard and Square Enix

I blame this need for "realism" in graphics


Nope, everyone's caught up by this point except most Japanese devs
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Devil_Katt_II
11/08/18 8:10:23 AM
#86:


AvantgardeAClue posted...
Devil_Katt_II posted...
VectorChaos posted...
Man, seems like all the companies who's games I grew up loving are either dead and buried like Westwood or a fucking shadow of their former selves like Blizzard and Square Enix

I blame this need for "realism" in graphics


Nope, everyone's caught up by this point except most Japanese devs

really? I don't agree. the AAA gaming scene is a shitshow with a few gems
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alphagamble
11/08/18 8:22:17 AM
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Squeenix is a fucking joke
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gamepimp12
11/08/18 8:22:50 AM
#88:


Dragonblade01 posted...
The open world of FFXV is fine, and the combat is just as fun as most FF games.

It's the story, pacing, and abandoning the things it does right that make FFXV a mess overall.


Basically, how I felt I loved the combat of the game and the whole road trip idea.

But the story was terrible and dragged the fun parts down
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JE19426
11/08/18 8:30:20 AM
#89:


AvantgardeAClue posted...
Octopath was worked on by the Bravely Default devs. Square Enix just published it, like all the good games that go through them nowadays


That's not really true. Silicon Studio made the Bravely games. Octopath however was made by Square Enix Business Division 11, and Acquire. Tomoya Asano worked on both Bravely games and Octopath, but I don't think anyone else did.
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AvantgardeAClue
11/08/18 9:35:13 AM
#90:


Devil_Katt_II posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
Devil_Katt_II posted...
VectorChaos posted...
Man, seems like all the companies who's games I grew up loving are either dead and buried like Westwood or a fucking shadow of their former selves like Blizzard and Square Enix

I blame this need for "realism" in graphics


Nope, everyone's caught up by this point except most Japanese devs

really? I don't agree. the AAA gaming scene is a shitshow with a few gems


Graphics are an easy scapegoat. I've played a bunch of terrible games with terrible graphics too, they're not exclusive. No, there are bigger problem with the AAA gaming industry. Preferring Hollywood actors over union voice-over talent, rushing holiday releases, a culture that thrived off of nostalgia, etc...
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Questionmarktarius
11/08/18 9:52:11 AM
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pikachupwnage posted...
If Sqaure Enix didnt take 5-10 years on every major project and stopped fucking up maybe they wouldnt lose money.

Annualization would be far worse.
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CapnMuffin
11/08/18 10:16:38 AM
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Feels like a MGSV scenario.

The game was just too big in scope.
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DaTwistedGuns
11/08/18 10:20:38 AM
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I haven't played 15 but wait, so without the dlc the game is incomplete?
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Tyranthraxus
11/08/18 10:23:42 AM
#94:


DaTwistedGuns posted...
I haven't played 15 but wait, so without the dlc the game is incomplete?


even if all the theoretical dlc came out it'd still be incomplete. The fact that there's an entire fucking movie you have to watch to understand the plot should be telling enough.
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pikachupwnage
11/08/18 10:25:28 AM
#95:


Questionmarktarius posted...
pikachupwnage posted...
If Sqaure Enix didnt take 5-10 years on every major project and stopped fucking up maybe they wouldnt lose money.

Annualization would be far worse.


There is a pretty solid middle ground between the two you know.
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Alpha218
11/08/18 10:29:20 AM
#96:


This is what happens when gaming companies get too big

They start to lose focus and stuff like this happens
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Youngster_Joey_
11/08/18 10:29:51 AM
#97:


AvantgardeAClue posted...
Graphics are an easy scapegoat. I've played a bunch of terrible games with terrible graphics too, they're not exclusive. No, there are bigger problem with the AAA gaming industry. Preferring Hollywood actors over union voice-over talent, rushing holiday releases, a culture that thrived off of nostalgia, etc...


Graphics having to be *so* realistic seems to be the excuse for overly long development times these days.

That, and games just having to be the next "biggest" game ever and everything having to be open world.

Not so much the excuse for AAA games being shitty. That's more of a "video games have become nothing but a soulless cash grab" thing.
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DoGCyN
11/08/18 10:32:29 AM
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I'm actually happy he's out. I disliked his leadership greatly.
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NibeIungsnarf
11/08/18 10:32:44 AM
#99:


The DLC doesn't make the game any less of an incomplete mess.

The nonsensically told story missing giant chunks of it aren't part of the dlc. The DLC released so far only addresses those moments where a character says "imma gonna go on my own adventure, it will cost you 5.99 to see it" within the main game.
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AvantgardeAClue
11/08/18 2:01:24 PM
#100:


NibeIungsnarf posted...
The DLC doesn't make the game any less of an incomplete mess.

The nonsensically told story missing giant chunks of it aren't part of the dlc. The DLC released so far only addresses those moments where a character says "imma gonna go on my own adventure, it will cost you 5.99 to see it" within the main game.


Apparently the Noctis and Lunafreya DLC was supposed to retcon the terrible ending though

Oh well, guess we'll forever have Tabata's cheesy tragic one
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