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YourDrunkFather
11/08/18 6:34:46 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Seemed like he was a product of his time. Not exactly sure how any black person at that time didn't hate white people, and I don't see any reason to castigate the ones that did.


You wouldn't

You're right, I wouldn't fault any black person that hated white people that had lived through the hayday of the KKK and police brutality. When one of the first uses of planes in battle was a bunch of white people dropping bombs on a bunch of their own black citizens I'm not gonna sneer at them for not turning the other cheek.


It's interesting to me how people like you love to focus on the white people who are shitty but completely ignore the ones who literally marched in the streets with you and got attacked for helping you. But I guess racists gonna racist
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Mareen
11/08/18 6:37:59 PM
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If I had to guess, it's because there was some truth to his words. I don't like everything he said but he had a strong character.
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A_Good_Boy
11/08/18 6:39:52 PM
#55:


YourDrunkFather posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Seemed like he was a product of his time. Not exactly sure how any black person at that time didn't hate white people, and I don't see any reason to castigate the ones that did.


You wouldn't

You're right, I wouldn't fault any black person that hated white people that had lived through the hayday of the KKK and police brutality. When one of the first uses of planes in battle was a bunch of white people dropping bombs on a bunch of their own black citizens I'm not gonna sneer at them for not turning the other cheek.


It's interesting to me how people like you love to focus on the white people who are shitty but completely ignore the ones who literally marched in the streets with you and got attacked for helping you. But I guess racists gonna racist

Yikes

How is it that when the discussion is about race all of a sudden the same exact posters always seem to just lose their reading comprehension?
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Balrog0
11/08/18 6:45:37 PM
#56:


YourDrunkFather posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Seemed like he was a product of his time. Not exactly sure how any black person at that time didn't hate white people, and I don't see any reason to castigate the ones that did.


You wouldn't

You're right, I wouldn't fault any black person that hated white people that had lived through the hayday of the KKK and police brutality. When one of the first uses of planes in battle was a bunch of white people dropping bombs on a bunch of their own black citizens I'm not gonna sneer at them for not turning the other cheek.


It's interesting to me how people like you love to focus on the white people who are shitty but completely ignore the ones who literally marched in the streets with you and got attacked for helping you. But I guess racists gonna racist


I think his response is understandable and potentially justifiable, I'd just like to understand the vitriol that was demonstrated towards other blacks that were pro-integration
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YourDrunkFather
11/08/18 6:47:44 PM
#57:


A_Good_Boy posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Seemed like he was a product of his time. Not exactly sure how any black person at that time didn't hate white people, and I don't see any reason to castigate the ones that did.


You wouldn't

You're right, I wouldn't fault any black person that hated white people that had lived through the hayday of the KKK and police brutality. When one of the first uses of planes in battle was a bunch of white people dropping bombs on a bunch of their own black citizens I'm not gonna sneer at them for not turning the other cheek.


It's interesting to me how people like you love to focus on the white people who are shitty but completely ignore the ones who literally marched in the streets with you and got attacked for helping you. But I guess racists gonna racist

Yikes

How is it that when the discussion is about race all of a sudden the same exact posters always seem to just lose their reading comprehension?


Why is it always the same posters who bitch about racism 24/7 but will turn around and defend it when black people do it? Obviously there are reasons why black people wouldn't like a lot of white people during that era but that's still not a justification to condemn all of them and it's pretty fucked up that you seem to think it is
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averagejoel
11/08/18 6:50:07 PM
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I like Malcolm X because he was a powerful speaker and an excellent writer, and because he was dedicated to a good cause.

it's also a bit of a stretch to say that he "hated white people"
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Balrog0
11/08/18 6:51:06 PM
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averagejoel posted...
it's also a bit of a stretch to say that he "hated white people"


why do you think that's a stretch, setting aside the last 9 months of his life?
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AmericaTheBrave
11/08/18 6:51:13 PM
#60:


Balrog0 posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Seemed like he was a product of his time. Not exactly sure how any black person at that time didn't hate white people, and I don't see any reason to castigate the ones that did.


You wouldn't

You're right, I wouldn't fault any black person that hated white people that had lived through the hayday of the KKK and police brutality. When one of the first uses of planes in battle was a bunch of white people dropping bombs on a bunch of their own black citizens I'm not gonna sneer at them for not turning the other cheek.


It's interesting to me how people like you love to focus on the white people who are shitty but completely ignore the ones who literally marched in the streets with you and got attacked for helping you. But I guess racists gonna racist


I think his response is understandable and potentially justifiable, I'd just like to understand the vitriol that was demonstrated towards other blacks that were pro-integration


He didn't like pro-integration blacks because he was for black separatism.
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averagejoel
11/08/18 6:51:46 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
averagejoel posted...
it's also a bit of a stretch to say that he "hated white people"


why do you think that's a stretch, setting aside the last 9 months of his life?

because I have read his autobiography
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Balrog0
11/08/18 6:52:34 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
He didn't like pro-integration blacks because he was for black separatism.


I know you know it doesn't follow that you need to be vitriolic towards someone who disagrees with you

For instance, couldn't he have just said they were wrong rather than that they were doing it largely because they'd been ensorceled by white women?
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Balrog0
11/08/18 6:52:48 PM
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because I have read his autobiography


me too weird
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averagejoel
11/08/18 6:55:10 PM
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that being said, I don't particularly care if any black person hates all white people. there's no real power behind any anti-white sentiment
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Balrog0
11/08/18 6:55:49 PM
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that being said, I don't particularly care if any black person hates all white people. there's no real power behind any anti-white sentiment


depends on what you mean by real power but I largely agree its just curiosity
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YourDrunkFather
11/08/18 7:13:19 PM
#66:


Balrog0 posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Seemed like he was a product of his time. Not exactly sure how any black person at that time didn't hate white people, and I don't see any reason to castigate the ones that did.


You wouldn't

You're right, I wouldn't fault any black person that hated white people that had lived through the hayday of the KKK and police brutality. When one of the first uses of planes in battle was a bunch of white people dropping bombs on a bunch of their own black citizens I'm not gonna sneer at them for not turning the other cheek.


It's interesting to me how people like you love to focus on the white people who are shitty but completely ignore the ones who literally marched in the streets with you and got attacked for helping you. But I guess racists gonna racist


I think his response is understandable and potentially justifiable, I'd just like to understand the vitriol that was demonstrated towards other blacks that were pro-integration


Sorry but I never consider it justifiable to hate entire groups of people because some of them are shitty. Unless we're talking about ISIS or the Klan or something where their whole reason for being is to be shitty.
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Balrog0
11/08/18 7:23:14 PM
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YourDrunkFather posted...

Sorry but I never consider it justifiable to hate entire groups of people because some of them are shitty. Unless we're talking about ISIS or the Klan or something where their whole reason for being is to be shitty.


seems like an easy opinion to hold from the comfort of modern america, especially as a white dude

I just dont know that you'd be this indignant if you'd lived through such an era
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Roxborough4Ever
11/08/18 7:24:41 PM
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it's like people who wear che guevara shirts....they dont entirely know what they are supporting
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ElatedVenusaur
11/08/18 7:28:06 PM
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Roxborough4Ever posted...
it's like people who wear che guevara shirts....they dont entirely know what they are supporting

Or arguing against, in this case.
It is a shame Malcolm X died so young.
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YourDrunkFather
11/08/18 7:38:27 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...

Sorry but I never consider it justifiable to hate entire groups of people because some of them are shitty. Unless we're talking about ISIS or the Klan or something where their whole reason for being is to be shitty.


seems like an easy opinion to hold from the comfort of modern america, especially as a white dude

I just dont know that you'd be this indignant if you'd lived through such an era


Maybe not but it's the right way to go if you actually want to curb racism and bigotry. If you want to continue the cycle of hate just keep preaching what you're preaching. Btw I'm not American and I live in one of the most multicultural cities in the world. I'm not some white boy from an all white suburb which seems to be what you're trying to paint me as.
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hockeybub89
11/08/18 7:41:57 PM
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Imagine criticizing black men from the 1960s for saying less than glowing things about white America.
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A_Good_Boy
11/08/18 7:44:59 PM
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YourDrunkFather posted...
Balrog0 posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...

Sorry but I never consider it justifiable to hate entire groups of people because some of them are shitty. Unless we're talking about ISIS or the Klan or something where their whole reason for being is to be shitty.


seems like an easy opinion to hold from the comfort of modern america, especially as a white dude

I just dont know that you'd be this indignant if you'd lived through such an era


Maybe not but it's the right way to go if you actually want to curb racism and bigotry. If you want to continue the cycle of hate just keep preaching what you're preaching. Btw I'm not American and I live in one of the most multicultural cities in the world. I'm not some white boy from an all white suburb which seems to be what you're trying to paint me as.

Seems pretty easy to just turn the other way and forgive when the KKK wasn't stalking through the neighborhoods where white people lived looking for people to lynch. Seems real easy to just forgive and forget when government policy wasn't set up to make sure that white people and their children will live and die in the same impoverished ghetto that they were born in, denied of any real economic, education, or career prospects.
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Balrog0
11/08/18 7:45:24 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Imagine criticizing black men from the 1960s for saying less than glowing things about white America.


LOMAX: Are you suggesting that all of us who fight for integration are after a white woman?

MALCOLM X: I wouldnt say all of you, but let the evidence speak for itself. Check up on these integration leaders, and you will find that most of them are either married to or hooked up with some white woman. Take that meeting between James Baldwin and Robert Kennedy; practically everybody there was interracially married. Harry Belafonte is married to a white woman; Lorraine Hansberry is married to a white man; Lena Horne is married to a white man.

Now how can any Negro, man or woman, who sleeps with a white person speak for me? No black person married to a white person can speak for me!


such hurtful things he said about white people there

wait a minute
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VipaGTS
11/08/18 7:48:10 PM
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Because at the end of the day even if his methods werent preferred his role was still necessary for progress. Remember that he lived in a time in this country where a little girl was followed, harassed, spit on, and had garbage thrown at her by grown adults while she innocently walked to a desegregated school.

A time where a teenage boy was murdered and mutilated for simply talking to a white woman and his murderers were acquitted in less than 2 weeks.

And thats not even scratching the surface of it.

Id hate People who hated me for no reason and did that to the youth of my race as well, wouldnt you? Justified or not. Sure he could have had the not all of them are bad mentality, because that was 100% true, but in the context of those times its not too absurd to think that someone put in that situation wouldnt be as easy to forgive.
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Balrog0
11/08/18 7:49:54 PM
#75:


VipaGTS posted...
Because at the end of the day even if his methods werent preferred his role was still necessary for progress. Remember that he lived in a time in this country where a little girl was followed, harassed, spit on, and had garbage thrown at her by grown adults while she innocently walked to a desegregated school. Id hate People who hated me for no reason and did that to the youth of my race as well, wouldnt you?


yeah definitely

like how people like george washington even though he owned slaves and lincoln even though he hated black people
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YourDrunkFather
11/08/18 7:56:27 PM
#76:


A_Good_Boy posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
Balrog0 posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...

Sorry but I never consider it justifiable to hate entire groups of people because some of them are shitty. Unless we're talking about ISIS or the Klan or something where their whole reason for being is to be shitty.


seems like an easy opinion to hold from the comfort of modern america, especially as a white dude

I just dont know that you'd be this indignant if you'd lived through such an era


Maybe not but it's the right way to go if you actually want to curb racism and bigotry. If you want to continue the cycle of hate just keep preaching what you're preaching. Btw I'm not American and I live in one of the most multicultural cities in the world. I'm not some white boy from an all white suburb which seems to be what you're trying to paint me as.

Seems pretty easy to just turn the other way and forgive when the KKK wasn't stalking through the neighborhoods where white people lived looking for people to lynch. Seems real easy to just forgive and forget when government policy wasn't set up to make sure that white people and their children will live and die in the same impoverished ghetto that they were born in, denied of any real economic, education, or career prospects.


I didn't say it would be easy or that I don't understand where it comes from. But it's still wrong to hate an entire race for it and it's gonna get us nowhere as a society to perpetuate hate.
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Kazi1212
11/08/18 8:02:11 PM
#77:


YourDrunkFather posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
Balrog0 posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...

Sorry but I never consider it justifiable to hate entire groups of people because some of them are shitty. Unless we're talking about ISIS or the Klan or something where their whole reason for being is to be shitty.


seems like an easy opinion to hold from the comfort of modern america, especially as a white dude

I just dont know that you'd be this indignant if you'd lived through such an era


Maybe not but it's the right way to go if you actually want to curb racism and bigotry. If you want to continue the cycle of hate just keep preaching what you're preaching. Btw I'm not American and I live in one of the most multicultural cities in the world. I'm not some white boy from an all white suburb which seems to be what you're trying to paint me as.

Seems pretty easy to just turn the other way and forgive when the KKK wasn't stalking through the neighborhoods where white people lived looking for people to lynch. Seems real easy to just forgive and forget when government policy wasn't set up to make sure that white people and their children will live and die in the same impoverished ghetto that they were born in, denied of any real economic, education, or career prospects.


I didn't say it would be easy or that I don't understand where it comes from. But it's still wrong to hate an entire race for it and it's gonna get us nowhere as a society to perpetuate hate.


I dont think this is an unreasonable point by any means, but Im sure others here feel differently.
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MICHALECOLE
11/08/18 8:07:25 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
VipaGTS posted...
Because at the end of the day even if his methods werent preferred his role was still necessary for progress. Remember that he lived in a time in this country where a little girl was followed, harassed, spit on, and had garbage thrown at her by grown adults while she innocently walked to a desegregated school. Id hate People who hated me for no reason and did that to the youth of my race as well, wouldnt you?


yeah definitely

like how people like george washington even though he owned slaves and lincoln even though he hated black people

I dont think Abraham Lincoln hated black people. I think he saw them as lesser people, if people at all, but I dont think he held animosity or hatred toward them.

Its honestly amazing that anybody ever wanted to abolish slavery in the first place.
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averagejoel
11/08/18 8:41:29 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Balrog0 posted...
VipaGTS posted...
Because at the end of the day even if his methods werent preferred his role was still necessary for progress. Remember that he lived in a time in this country where a little girl was followed, harassed, spit on, and had garbage thrown at her by grown adults while she innocently walked to a desegregated school. Id hate People who hated me for no reason and did that to the youth of my race as well, wouldnt you?


yeah definitely

like how people like george washington even though he owned slaves and lincoln even though he hated black people

I dont think Abraham Lincoln hated black people. I think he saw them as lesser people, if people at all, but I dont think he held animosity or hatred toward them.

Its honestly amazing that anybody ever wanted to abolish slavery in the first place.

uh

what
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MICHALECOLE
11/08/18 8:46:47 PM
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averagejoel posted...
MICHALECOLE posted...
Balrog0 posted...
VipaGTS posted...
Because at the end of the day even if his methods werent preferred his role was still necessary for progress. Remember that he lived in a time in this country where a little girl was followed, harassed, spit on, and had garbage thrown at her by grown adults while she innocently walked to a desegregated school. Id hate People who hated me for no reason and did that to the youth of my race as well, wouldnt you?


yeah definitely

like how people like george washington even though he owned slaves and lincoln even though he hated black people

I dont think Abraham Lincoln hated black people. I think he saw them as lesser people, if people at all, but I dont think he held animosity or hatred toward them.

Its honestly amazing that anybody ever wanted to abolish slavery in the first place.

uh

what

Which part
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averagejoel
11/08/18 8:48:08 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
averagejoel posted...
MICHALECOLE posted...
Balrog0 posted...
VipaGTS posted...
Because at the end of the day even if his methods werent preferred his role was still necessary for progress. Remember that he lived in a time in this country where a little girl was followed, harassed, spit on, and had garbage thrown at her by grown adults while she innocently walked to a desegregated school. Id hate People who hated me for no reason and did that to the youth of my race as well, wouldnt you?


yeah definitely

like how people like george washington even though he owned slaves and lincoln even though he hated black people

I dont think Abraham Lincoln hated black people. I think he saw them as lesser people, if people at all, but I dont think he held animosity or hatred toward them.

Its honestly amazing that anybody ever wanted to abolish slavery in the first place.

uh

what

Which part

Its honestly amazing that anybody ever wanted to abolish slavery in the first place

there were lots of people who wanted to abolish slavery
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MICHALECOLE
11/08/18 8:49:56 PM
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I know there was

I think thats amazing. People had literal slaves.. and the people who were the slaves were barely seen as people. And there were people that wanted to stop that.

It says a lot about people that anybody would even have the idea man, this free labor.. is wrong!

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Anteaterking
11/08/18 9:13:00 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
I know there was

I think thats amazing. People had literal slaves.. and the people who were the slaves were barely seen as people. And there were people that wanted to stop that.

It says a lot about people that anybody would even have the idea man, this free labor.. is wrong!

Its impressive


Most people were not direct beneficiaries of slavery, in the sense that the free labor wasn't a common good.
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MICHALECOLE
11/08/18 9:39:55 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
MICHALECOLE posted...
I know there was

I think thats amazing. People had literal slaves.. and the people who were the slaves were barely seen as people. And there were people that wanted to stop that.

It says a lot about people that anybody would even have the idea man, this free labor.. is wrong!

Its impressive


Most people were not direct beneficiaries of slavery, in the sense that the free labor wasn't a common good.

I mean, I wasnt there and I dont know beyond my high school us history class that taught me Abraham Lincoln single handily ended slavery and loved black people, but no matter what the situation was, these people were brought to America and were seen as animals, were forced to work for free, and a bunch of people thought nah.. thats not cool. Whether they directly benifited or not thats still pretty impressive.

Must have been Django.
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MICHALECOLE
11/08/18 10:21:02 PM
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that black people would always be viewed as second class citizens if they integrated into white society and oh look he was right again.


That's an incredibly racist take.

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Racist in what way?
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CornBarn
11/08/18 11:42:48 PM
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Because they're black nationalists.
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King_Hellebuyck
11/08/18 11:44:47 PM
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People are real good at not worrying about peoples bad qualities
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FrisbeeDude
11/08/18 11:49:13 PM
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This topic...hoo boy lmao
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RickyTheBAWSE
11/08/18 11:54:24 PM
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Malcolm had the balls to go after the organization that miseducated him and he died for it. and people ITT only want to keep him in that part of life where he was blindly hateful. if Malcolm shouldn't be forgiven after his very justifiable contempt towards White power structures, these murdering, pillaging rapist that many of you call "heroes" should be shunned faaar worse.

Malcolm was a better man than Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, Washington and the vast majority of other American historical figures who Americans have been indoctrinated into dickriding since childhood.

just saying.
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MICHALECOLE
11/08/18 11:54:31 PM
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Professor_Kanjo posted...
MICHALECOLE posted...
Professor_Kanjo posted...
that black people would always be viewed as second class citizens if they integrated into white society and oh look he was right again.


That's an incredibly racist take.

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Racist in what way?


You think black people are second class citizens and shouldn't integrate into society.

Maybe Im blind but I cant find what post this is from to see the context
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RickyTheBAWSE
11/09/18 12:23:01 AM
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Professor_Kanjo posted...
that black people would always be viewed as second class citizens if they integrated into white society and oh look he was right again.


David Duke agrees
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MICHALECOLE
11/09/18 12:47:46 AM
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Professor_Kanjo posted...
that black people would always be viewed as second class citizens if they integrated into white society and oh look he was right again.

Who posted it? The comment?! I cant find it lmao
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refmon
11/09/18 2:32:36 AM
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You do realize that during those times, minorities, not even just black people but all people of color, were being discriminated against, that segregation was alive and well, lynchings, no dogs or blacks allowed signs were normal, the KKK was out doing the bullshit it does, and more right? You do realize that this was the civil rights era and people were fighting for their right to be treated humanely? Decently? And that this was due to whiten people and the discrimination and racism and hatred they produced? If you actually know this, then you wouldnt be asking this question. Malcolm X did not want to associate or plead with the same white people who were treating people of color so disgustingly. He was angry, and fairly so, and wanted justice.

Let me ask you another question: why do you like white people of that time so much even though they hated minorities? And killed minorities? And systematically oppressed and discriminated against them? What was there to like?? Although Im more inclined towards Martin Luther King Jr, because were all one and race is superficial, we all bleed the same red and are all one race, the human race, if I were alive during the civil rights era and I experienced what people back then experienced, I would have supported Malcolm X for sure.
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RickyTheBAWSE
11/09/18 5:01:20 AM
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speaking of White people of "that time," it's not like they stopped existing. they're parents and grandparents. they have jokes and family recipes. they're grandma and grandpa. they're mom and dad. they're the President. in 2018.

these people aren't only in the past. they are in the present and having children for the future.
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A_Good_Boy
11/09/18 10:02:39 AM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
speaking of White people of "that time," it's not like they stopped existing. they're parents and grandparents. they have jokes and family recipes. they're grandma and grandpa. they're mom and dad. uncle and aunt. they're silly ol' cousin with the sweet ride. they're the President. in 2018.

these people aren't only in the past. they are in the present and having children for the future.

It's weird how some people just seem to have completely forgotten that people born in the 60s are actually still alive today. It's not like the injustices of the past are just gone and forgotten, relinquished to history.
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A_Good_Boy
11/09/18 10:08:45 AM
#102:


Professor_Kanjo posted...
those damn racist babies of the 60s

Those neo-nazis at Charlottesville and the ones responsible for our current levels of right wing terrorism must be time travelers from the 30s. Just poofed into existence out of nowhere!
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