Board 8 > Gauntlet Crew Ranks Science Fiction Films I

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Quit copying my notes scarlet.
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For the record, Gwen's Head in a Box was funnier to say than both Rosebud and I Am Your Father.
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Hmm. I DEFINITELY agree with some of the unease people had towards the depiction of women in Soylent Green. It is UNBELIEVABLY sexist. But...I appreciated it because if though it probably WAS a product of 60s/70s sexism, it always felt justified by the world the movie built. If we ever got to THAT point in human society, I have zero doubt that some women would take on the role of furniture (and just to point out, it wasnt ALL women; just the apartment companions) in order to escape the hardships of life in poverty. ESPECIALLY in a hyper-masculine society that seems to push for human Darwinism and fighting for survival.
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Still waiting for JONA or Scar to make a comment about a specific part of my write-up.
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Espeon posted...

Hmm. I DEFINITELY agree with some of the unease people had towards the depiction of women in Soylent Green. It is UNBELIEVABLY sexist. But...I appreciated it because if though it probably WAS a product of 60s/70s sexism, it always felt justified by the world the movie built. If we ever got to THAT point in human society, I have zero doubt that some women would take on the role of furniture (and just to point out, it wasnt ALL women; just the apartment companions) in order to escape the hardships of life in poverty. ESPECIALLY in a hyper-masculine society that seems to push for human Darwinism and fighting for survival.

I think it's a tough line to walk, but I absolutely see what you're saying. I think societal reversions always tend to marginalize some type of person within said society, so I could buy the concept for sure. At the same time, I don't think the writer of Soylent Green was necessarily imagining that aspect as too far removed from what a lot of science fiction writers of the 40s and 50s loved to put into their works simply because it tickled their featherbottoms.

WickIebee posted...

Still waiting for JONA or Scar to make a comment about a specific part of my write-up.

4/10. I think you could have made better jokes about that.
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I can agree with that too. I mean, therere definitely aspects of fiction influenced by the culture of the day. Im thinking about The Walking Dead (show, specifically) and how every major settlement at this point has a female leader (in one way or another). Michonne, Maggie, Carol, Oceanside Woman. That sort of empowerment definitely wouldnt have come about 50 years ago.
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Well, Walking Dead also did it extremely organically.
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Scarlet that was a clever "What It Is" for Soylent Green ha ha
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scarletspeed7 posted...

What It Is: People.

I laughed
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Hint: Five top half rankings for this one.

GenesisSaga posted...

Scarlet that was a clever "What It Is" for Soylent Green ha ha

Lol, I couldn't help myself.
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I dont understand why Charlton Heston was willing to shoot dudes/get shot by dudes over a celebrity magazine.
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Espeon posted...

I dont understand why Charlton Heston was willing to shoot dudes/get shot by dudes over a celebrity magazine.

He wanted to see the furniture ads.
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StifledSilence posted...

Espeon posted...

I dont understand why Charlton Heston was willing to shoot dudes/get shot by dudes over a celebrity magazine.

He wanted to see the furniture ads.

Furniture or furniture?
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I think you know which one.
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That brings up an interesting thought. Since some women are referred to as furniture in the movie, I wonder if the word has become so associated with sex that there are guys that get turned on by sofas and chairs.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

What It Is: People.

Dammit Scarlet, now I have to clean up the water I spit into my keyboard XD

Espeon posted...

That brings up an interesting thought. Since some women are referred to as furniture in the movie, I wonder if the word has become so associated with sex that there are guys that get turned on by sofas and chairs.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/76564559
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#28 - Independence Day (1996)
Stifled - 4
Inviso - 8
Karo - 16
Charon - 18
Genny - 18
Wickle - 22
Scarlet - 25
Snake - 35
KBM - 36
Johnbobb - 37
JONA - 38
Total: 257

"Listen. You can keep your Trumps and your Clintons. You can keep your Obamas and your Romneys. I want Bill Fucking Pullman in the White House and I want him in there now. That speech gives me chills every time I hear it. I would march into battle if that man asked me to. I would whoop ETs ass for him. Just say the word, Mr. President!

All seriousness though, this is the most fun you can possibly have with a movie that obliterates a good percentage of the earths population. The cast is outstanding and fun. The action is crazy good. Russells sacrifice gets me teary eyed every time, but it was much more intense now that I have a son of my own. My gosh. Its just such a good movie.

Traviss Opinion: Travis pointed out all of the various emergency vehicles during the first half of the movie. He was amazed at the flying fire truck. He was mesmerized while everything was exploding. He thought the words July 3rd on the screen was the credits and stopped watching afterwards. Silly boy." ~Stifled

"Ive watched several internet review shows that call this movie stupid and mindless, and I completely expected those opinions to color my rewatch. And you know what? This movie IS kinda stupid and mindless. The fact that the heroes succeed because Jeff Goldblum is able to hook up a 1996 Macbook to an alien spaceship? Oh BOY thats dumb. But you know what else? I dont care. This movie is FUN every time I watch it, and it holds up now as much as it did when I was a kid. It has such a colorful cast of characters that, even though they are often times absurd in their personalities, are likable and fun to watch react to this awful situation. I teared up SEVERAL times during this movie, namely the death of the First Lady, and the sacrifice of Russell. I know Im easy to make cry, but if a film can do it, thats certainly a plus.

Also, the effects of the city destruction are a highlight of the film (though the shitty green screen is much more noticeable nowadays), but really, the action in general is pretty awesome. Multiple dogfight scenes occur in the film and they spice things up to really focus in on the characters in the midst of fighting giant-ass alien invader spaceships. And as a result, we get some really cool set pieces, like blowing up LA/NYC/DC, or Will Smith flying and dodging around the Grand Canyon, or a nuke detonating a massive mothership. Its all just really fun to watch, and Im okay with turning my brain off just a little bit to enjoy it." ~Inviso

"The quintessential summer blockbuster, where extraterrestrials come to earth and as per the usual case, a lot of shit gets blown up.
There are several groups of characters that the plot follows and who eventually converge towards the end where a bunch of silly circumstances lead to human victory, such as delivering a computer virus to the alien mother ship, which apparently runs its spaceship shield technology on the Windows operating system.
The movie goes from a snappy and well paced thriller in the first half to an unimaginably boring slog in the second save for the climatic battle. It feels incredibly overlong and drawn out in places, and could probably could have used a trimming down to a 'meager' two hours.
The characters are not good, and regardless of how many melodramatic scenes you put in of dying First Ladies or Will Smith marrying a stripper, they will stay this way. This film does one thing very well, and that is being a high-energy popcorn flick. Whenever it stays on this path, it is very watchable. Whenever it doesnt... yeesh." ~Karo
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"More disjointed than I recall, but I still enjoy this film. The biggest negative I can point to is the lack of a central character; there are so many different focal points that it feels like an episode of Game of Thrones in that regard. But the performances themselves are pretty solid, from Smith to Goldblum to Pullman. They created characters that were sort of personified by a single human emotion and as a team were able to use those human emotions to defeat the alien invaders. " ~charon

"Having either never seen Independence Day or having seen it so long ago that I can't recall ever seeing it, I was surprised how little the movie actually focused on Will Smith, or rather, how much it seemed to focus on everyone else. This movie kind of felt like a game with an ensemble cast where for the most part everyone is off doing their own thing until they all come together to fight off the ultimate big boss... and actually that approach was certified fresh and kinda cool. You don't really see things like that in modern films, especially ones with a couple of big name actors. Anyway the aliens were interesting and I wish we got to see them interact more outside of their space crafts. I would've liked to know more about their motivations, but I guess that would've been counterintuitive in dehumanizing them. The humor was fun, and I found myself laughing more at Goldblum and his flamingly Jewish parentage than anything to do with Will Smith kicking an alien while he's down- literally. " ~Genny

"Always a cheesy movie, the ending song of the movie made me start humming the final song of Star Fox 64 too, though that was released after. Pieces are sad, I cried with the thing about the first lady. I oddly always watched the end of this movie, but never anything from the beginning to that end. The Presidents speech was pretty good, a couple other good moments but otherwise really was just cheesy as I said." ~Wickle

"What It Is: Will Smith joins the Welcoming Committee but has trouble not saying Earf while doing so. At the same time, a political career is put in jeopardy when a Democrat physically loses most of a traditional Democratic voting bloc thanks to illegal aliens who then do a terrible job trimming the hedges at the White House.

Why It Matters: Outside of Star Wars and Star Trek keeping science fiction alive, the genre spent a long time quietly waiting for big budget blockbusters to prove themselves viable in Hollywood. Once Independence Day arrived, the trend was firmly set in stone, and you can pin a huge chunk of modern Hollywood on the unmitigated success that Independence Day became.

What I Think: Absolutely stupid in even the most sensical, coherent scenes of this movie, it's thanks to an extremely charismatic main cast that this movie is propelled into the realm of exciting. Much like a great sports underdog story, it's one of those movies where at the most fundamental level, you just want to see the little guy win. Throw in the exceptional speech by Bill Pullman and the underrated performance by Brent Spiner, and you have a film that rises to the occasion and does exactly what it sets out to do." ~scarlet

"Filled to the brim with crowd-pleasing moments, Independence Day never aspires to be more than a popcorn blockbuster and it suceeds in spades. Try not to feel inspired after hearing President Whitmans speech!" ~Snake
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"A super hard one to place. On the one hand, this is a great movie to watch when you just want to turn off your brain and enjoy a schlocky '90s action movie. On the other hand, it's a schlocky '90s action movie, that seems to have gotten schlockier every year that's passed since 1996. Even then it was a little hard to take the whole Windows 95 virus takes down an alien race thing, and two decades later, Roland Emmerich's signature stereotypical characters and random landmark-wrecking come off more dull and played-out than anything else.

Some of these actors do manage to take their characters a bit past the lazy screenwriting. Will Smith, Jeff Goldblum, and Bill Pullman are all giving this material their all. It's also always nice to see Mary McDonnell in things, and even though her character eventually gets the shaft, she manages to turn in a good, nuanced performance as the doomed first lady. This was back in the day when people took Emmerich movies seriously, as opposed to post-'90s Emmerich where the actors are clearly just showing up for the paycheck. Is this movie kind of iconic? Certainly. But it's also very long, very dated, and pretty stupidly written, and disaster movies aren't normally really my thing to begin with. I enjoyed it back in the day, but it just doesn't hold up except as a movie to laugh at." ~KBM

"This really just isn't a very good movie. The effects are great for their time and hold up even now, and I do like Will Smith a lot, but ultimately this is a two and a half hour movie with only a small handful of scenes worth seeing. Almost the entire first half an hour is just government officials running around going "What do we do?" There's hours of cliches and the plot is pretty dumb, but at the very least we've got Will Smith and an unrealistically patriotic president to entertain us." ~Johnbobb

"Its a fine summer blockbuster movie and has some enjoyable characters, although thats more because of the actors instead of the characters themselves, but theres nothing in the movie that really grips me or stands out. Its just not a creative movie and that really hurts the movie, especially on a list like this. It has its fun moments but theyre not enough to get a higher ranking." ~JONA
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The Outlander Game Part XIII: Invisodependence Day

Wickle - 149
Stifled - 136
Inviso - 120
JONA - 113
Genny - 99
Snake - 99
KBM - 96
Charon - 85
Karo - 85
Johnbobb - 78
Scarlet - 74

Inviso makes a huge grab in points, but Stifled stays firmly out of reach of Vis nonetheless. This was easily the most divisive film on the list so far, with only one person staying within 5 points of the actual ranking. That's a massive amount of deviation.
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that was not what i expected one of the divisive movies to be
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I expected Independence Day to place much higher and I'm glad it didn't

it really disappointed me, especially compared to another movie on this list
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eh, i loved independence day as a kid but now i find it so unbelievably stupid that i don't enjoy it anymore.

will smith is great but he can't save the entire movie.
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=( aww man

I mean sure, it IS a stupid 90s movie. But it is THE stupid 90s movie. Back when I was a kid, this movie was a huge deal. Kinda like how the most recent Avengers movie was a huge point of conversation and a must see, ID4 was that movie in 1996.
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I enjoyed the most recent Avengers movie fine, but that would also end up around the same spot as ID4 in my list if it were here. It's a big dumb action movie with some good adrenaline rush moments and good actors, but overlong and nothing much interesting to say.

Meanwhile, Mars Attacks! I could watch over and over again. Now there's a 1996 sci-fi classic. Criminally underrated movie.

Also glad Soylent Green is finally out. Been waiting for that one.

StifledSilence posted...

=( aww man

I mean sure, it IS a stupid 90s movie. But it is THE stupid 90s movie. Back when I was a kid, this movie was a huge deal. Kinda like how the most recent Avengers movie was a huge point of conversation and a must see, ID4 was that movie in 1996.

i mean, it's not that i'm above liking dumb movies. i liked michael bay's original transformers (well, i haven't seen it in a long time so perhaps i would dislike that one now too). independence day is just in... transformers sequel territory for me. i can only imagine how terrible resurgence is.

independence day is far from the worst sci-fi movie i've ever seen. again, will smith's performance is a big positive. i guess i don't adore him to the extent that i'm able to overlook all the film's flaws, though.
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Hint: This film was tied with the last one, but won out the tie by removing highest and lowest.
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Damn, that sucks. I will say again however that the movie was a bit too drawn out in places. The first lady dying also is kinda hard to believe.
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v_charon posted...

Damn, that sucks. I will say again however that the movie was a bit too drawn out in places. The first lady dying also is kinda hard to believe.

If you find that hard to believe, just wait until you stumble across Designated Survivor at some point.
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Independence Day's most important aspect is the dog scene.
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v_charon posted...

Damn, that sucks. I will say again however that the movie was a bit too drawn out in places. The first lady dying also is kinda hard to believe.

Do you mean that you don't get her dying from internal bleeding, or finding it confused on how she got that internal bleeding in the first place. The former is the space of time between her getting real medical aid.
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She just didn't look to be dying to me. I also don't really buy that suddenly she dies after making it out there in the hostile streets that long. If the bleeding was that slow, then it could have been fixed certainly.
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When I saw ID4 for the first time last year I found it to be pretty boring. These write-ups make me want to give it another chance though.
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#27 - 2001: A Space Odyssey
JONA - 5
KBM - 6
Wickle - 13
Snake - 16
Johnbobb - 17
Scarlet - 26
Karo - 29
Genny - 30
Charon - 37
Inviso - 38
Stifled - 40
Total: 257

"Its odd that I actually have never seen this movie before the list but I feel like Ive seen every scene in this movie parodied or at least referenced in some sort of media. Really shows how influential this movie is. I can really see people not liking this movie and I wouldnt blame them. I loved how the beginning and ending acts just had great visuals and music with no dialogue. They can go a bit too long but it really fits and its a great contrast to the middle of the movie and to each other with the beginning and ending representing the primitive and advanced. The middle of the movie is great too with HAL 9000 trying to appeal to the scientists humanity once the scientists have the advantage. There is just so much you can talk about with this movie. Its a piece of art and theres no movie that fulfills the same experience." ~JONA

"One of Kubrick's very best works. 2001 was rereleased in theaters for its 50th anniversary a couple months ago, and I got to see it on the local LieMAX, which was a hell of an experience. It may have highlighted a couple of the stretches of the film that are a little longer than they needed to be, but very few films have managed to grasp the feeling of sheer immensity of scope that 2001 has. It attempts to tell the entire history (and future?) of man, right up to the point where one of us goes through a crazy wormhole and evolves into an enormous space-baby. Apes evolve into spacefaring humans in the span of a single match cut. A murderous computer gets to experience existential dread before going into a rousing rendition of Bicycle Built for Two. Some of the special effects shots you still can't tell how they managed, even looking at it on a big screen fifty years later. My point is, this is fucking great stuff. There are a few things here that are dated (mostly the hair), but on the whole, this is one I can go back to over and over again and come away with something different every time." ~KBM

"Really weird movie towards its end, making less sense on what happened with the rest of the movie. Didnt really explain what happened to the people on the moon, and I do not understand why HaL killed off the hibernating guys. This movie kind of overused a couple classic pieces, which of course those couple songs would eventually be oversaturated because of this films existence and giving those songs meaning. Its not a bad film by any means, at least. I also laughed at the occasional spaceship view, knowing George Lucas would eventually copy that exact style of scene." ~Wickle

"Visually haunting and mind-bending, 2001 has one of the best antagonists in film history with HAL 9000, who pushes fear of technology to its natural conclusions. His voice will stick with you forever. Other aspects, like the mysterious black monoliths and its weighty ending showing the nonstop evolution of life give the film its real magic and mojo, crafting an unforgettable experience you wont ever forget." ~Snake
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"I've had a hard time placing my feelings on this movie for at least a decade now. The visual effects are nothing less than stunning, and we're revolutionary for their time, to the point that few movies even today can hold up. The facing is slow and exhausting and large sections of the film (particularly most of TMA-1) feel unnecessary. HAL is a horrifying and memorable villain who is excellently juxtaposed against the idea of existence beyond human understanding represented by the monoliths. The human characters are dull and uninspired and their plights are never particularly intriguing. The camerawork and editing here are excellent, with the match cut between the bone and the space station being one of the most iconic in all of film. Other stylistic choices, such as drawn-out shots of space station doors opening and a final act light show that goes on far too long, just strike me as weird. Take all of that how you will because I don't know how to." ~Johnbobb

"What It Is: Stanley Kubrick directs his treatise on the nature of evolving life.

Why It Matters: So much of this movie passed into the vernacular of filmmaking, and he advanced the nature of filmmaking significantly with this film. Before this, the idea of the vacuum of space resulting in no sound had never been depicted on screen, and that alone was a huge difference between pre-Odyssey and post-Odyssey. You also have a depiction of zero gravity for the first time on screen. The amount of effort that went into doing that on film in an age without CGI was pretty mindboggling. The story also has influenced every science fiction film about either space travel or artificial intelligence since. And, most importantly, a couple of famous pieces of classical music have become indelibly linked to scenes in this movie.

What I Think: Kubrick's deliberate pace is a killer for me early in the movie, and if you know me at all, you know that I live in a world where 80 pages of script in 45 minutes is on the light side for me. I've often joked that the opening of 2001 is the absolute worst. But if you remember running the Random Gauntlet back in the day, you also might recall that I just adore the character of HAL. HAL is such a great, unique piece of filmmaking. It's one of those instances where, despite being inscrutable, every action HAL makes can be traced clearly and logically from a few core processes. And I think that a lot of screenwriting (and writing in general) works by using the HAL sense of logic - your characters have motivations, and you use them to clash with between characters or inside of a single character itself.

I really enjoy the depiction of changing intelligence on multiple fronts, whether it be the evolution of HAL over time (and is HAL truly intelligent or just a simulation of intelligence?) or the evoution of humanity over time. But the big kicker is that if I was grading this film against Star Trek: The Motion Picture, I would have to take off equal points for both films because plodding shots built around symphonic scores do not an engaging film make. When I go to the symphony, I can visualize scenes that move me in ways that Kubrick's somewhat primitive forms of visuals don't. Look, I have screensavers with more pizzazz than the kaleidoscope of marginally interesting dazzle that Kubrick banks on. But when he digs in the muck, in the philosophy, in the HAL of it all, I love it.

So I'm going to predict that everyone but me is outlying hard on this film because there are definitely two different points of view on how to watch this, and I think I represent both." ~scarlet
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"A well known classic sci-fi movie that is about people doing things in space. Except the parts when it is about monkeys. Or about LSD.
Anyway, when most people think of 2001 they think of HAL the sociopathic computer and his conversations with the astronaut. Indeed, while this is one of the most iconic scenes in all of sci-fi, unfortunately it is literally the only small part of this film worth seeing.
The rest of the movie is a two-and-a-half hour long slog filled with unexplained alien monoliths, bizarre drug trips, and Stanley Kubrick masturbating to classical music while taking pictures of his shitty plastic miniatures." ~Karo

"I'm perfectly aware that 2001: A Space Odyssey is widely regarded as one of the finest films of all time, and I'm not going to dispute that because Stanley Kubrik is a wonderful director and this is an expertly crafted project... however it's just not my cup of tea. I did marvel at how well put together the opening montage was, and it perfectly illustrates the evolution of man and how he came to depend on tools, but unfortunately that was the best part of the movie for me. I found a great deal of 2001 boring, and dreadfully so. Perhaps the biggest letdown was HAL-9000. I already knew what role he would serve in the plot well in advance, but I thought his character arc would be a lot more interesting. As such I didn't care for his reveal nor did I care when he suffered an anticlimactic defeat. By that ridiculously surreal ending with the floating space fetus of light I had already checked out mentally and was just eager to go to bed. I can have immense respect for a film yet not actually like it (see: Snow White or Fantasia), and I'm afraid this is just one of those cases. I could go into greater detail, but I'd rather keep these writeups simple." ~Genny

"Call me a heathen if you'd like I guess, but this movie was largely dull and seemed as if it would never end. Obviously, I had heard of this movie as characters like HAL transcend into pop culture, so coming in I expected a lot more than what I got. It's like three different movies without any obvious connection, though I surmise maybe it's related to the evolution of life or something. The beginning of the film felt at times like one of those 4K TV test screens you see in electronic departments. It was pretty, especially given the age of the film. I can't say it was exciting or riveting though. By the time you do see the film's most well known entity, I was thinking "finally, something interesting". And it was. Until it was over, pretty quickly I might add. Then we get an acid trip at the end. I just didn't "get it", sorry, heathen and all that." ~Charon

"I definitely feel like Im gonna get a pretty sizable outlier bump for this rankingbecause I didnt care for like, 75% of this movie. The intro is like 25 minutes, and its just a bunch of apes being apes until they touch an obelisk and suddenly have their mental evolution kickstarted. I could GET and accept this if the movie made a decent effort to connect back to that scene beyond just oh, heres an obelisk we found somewhere on Earth from millions of years ago and heres a weird ending where a guy ages rapidly and then becomes a space baby. Yeah, that ending is another 30 minutes of nonsense. Plus after the apes, theres another 30 minutes of people just chilling onboard space airplanes and hanging in space airports.
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The middle hour is fine, and I like the concept behind having an AI fearing for its life and realizing that humans are detrimental to its continued existencebut with all the padding at the beginning and end, even THAT plot feels rushed. Were introduced to HAL, within a few minutes there are hints of unease, soon after that, the humans have already deemed him malfunctioning, then he kills one human, and then the pace feels like Dave just shuts HAL down far easier than the parodies of this movie led me to believe. Thats the real issue: the pacing. You could fit all that filler in if you trimmed it WAY down, and puffed out the space station stuff. Itd probably make more sense, too. I know its an artistic movie, and I dont want to question Kubricks visionbut I just found it poorly paced to the point where it genuinely started to put me to sleep." ~Inviso

"When I watch these movies, I take notes so I can remember things I want to talk about in the writeups, and also remember what Travis did during them. Ordinarily, I use the notes to make a fresh writeup. But there is nothing I can say that will do justice to how I felt about this movie except my notes. This movie is traditionally loved by most. I suspect a lot of you probably liked it too. Well I completely despised it. So before I have to hear a bunch of bullshit about wahhh you tanked my movie on purpose, here is the proof that I did not tank anything. For the first time, I present to you, the Gauntlet Crew, and whoever else is reading, my wall of text reaction notes that also include reactions from Travis. Enjoy.
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WOOOOOOO! Travis asked me to turn the volume down during Ric Flairs theme. I did not. Planet of the Apes?! Oh hey were finally in space for that space odyssey. I thought perhaps it was National Geographic: The Movie instead. I know this is supposed to be a classic and all, but this shit is putting me to sleep. It took 25 minutes to finally stop the classical music concert and the nature special. Grip shoe girl is cute. Sorry, sweetie. Daddy will miss your birthday because he needs to listen to Blue Danube for like a week straight. Oh god here it is again. I almost fell asleep. It took 42 minutes to insert plot into this movie. Everything else has been monkeys, classical music, space porn, and shit that doesnt drive the story forward. Has Kubrick ever heard of the cutting room floor? Oh for fucks sake now theyre doing stereotypical spooky music. Are ghosts gonna come out now? Wait...Space Ghost?! He could make this movie fun! Oh gee obnoxious beeping now. Thanks a bunch, movie! Travis asked if it was the credits when it said Jupiter 18 months later. I told him I wish it was. Star Destroyer prototype?! It has a little Death Star in the front! Oh hey this looks like what I thought Id be watching. It just took almost an hour of drivel to get there. Wait...why isnt that Floyd guy there? Wow that first hour really was a waste. This is awful. You have to wonder why Scarlet thought a movie over two hours long with an hour of useless trite was worthy of the Gauntlet Crew. Please kill them, HAL. Kill them all and bring me the credits so I can watch something else. Oh cool more obnoxious noise while he floats out in space. Outstanding. This is such a slow moving movie. My gosh. The word movie has MOVE in it dammit! I have a bad feeling about this. lololol uh oh. Intermission?! Oh. My. God. This movie needs to end sooner, not later! Oh cool HAL killed someone. Even the death scene was slow and boring wow. Oh hey he took so long to float away and die that they were able to perform an extremely slow rescue operation. Yay more annoying beeping! Oh cool HAL successfully murdered the sleeping doctors and wont open the doors. Oops butterfingers. *floats away slowly*. I would rather watch the Ponies and Care Bears. Oh my God. This is torture. More beeping and blooping. Oh hey he made it. Yay. Is this supposed to be the epic showdown between HAL and Dave? Even that is super slow. I can feel it. My mind is going. I know the feeling, pal...err...HAL. Spoooooky music again oh noooooo! Vibrating, glowing, epilepsy face. I went to pee while the bright flashing colors were on the screen. Do you know what was on the screen when I returned? Bright flashing colors. This could have easily been a half hour TV special instead of over two hours of movie. I feel like a bunch of screen savers are playing on loop. More obnoxious noise on top of the trippy colors. I feel like Im watching a security broadcast alert after being heavily drugged. People seriously think this is an all time great movie? Shameful. Oh hey normal scenery with a space pod clunk in the middle. I know hes in a space suit, but hes even WALKING at a snails pace now. Move it along plz. Guy at desk is even slower than guy in space suit. Please stop. Now Im watching him eat. Now hes in a bed. Now hes a baby in an orb. Now Ric Flair and earth again. Is this a joke? Im not laughing. God dammit. This is the worst movie Ive ever seen. At least Travis cheered me up by dancing to the credits music AKA Blue Danube AGAIN!" ~Stifled
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The Outlander Game Part XIV: 2001 - A Rank Oddity

Wickle - 163
Stifled - 149
JONA - 135
Inviso - 131
KBM - 117
Snake - 110
Genny - 102
Charon - 95
Johnbobb - 88
Karo - 87
Scarlet - 75

That's too hugely divisive movies, and if I can't get more than 10 posts about that, then you all aren't getting any more rankings because that's just laziness on your parts. Absolute laziness.

It's also, bizarrely, two hugely divisive movies where I sat extremely close to the actual ranking while no one else really did at all.
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Im glad to see it go. That means only my 39 remains as a film I would be unhappy to see win.
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Kinda expected this but man I thought it would last a bit longer.
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JONALEON1 posted...

Kinda expected this but man I thought it would last a bit longer.

I expected two things on this ranking and neither happened. One was that Wickle would place it Bottom 5. The other was that KBM would place it Top 5. And I definitely expected to be one of the bottom 3 rankers for this.
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I was expecting the movie to get the same treatment Fantasia got in the Disney canon rankings but a bit worse.
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Boo

2001 is amazing
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JONALEON1 posted...

I was expecting the movie to get the same treatment Fantasia got in the Disney canon rankings but a bit worse.

It had been so long that I kind of blocked out what the group thought of anything. I love Fantasia though in a way this movie never really encapsulated. I think the snapshot nature of Fantasia probably contributes to why I personally prefer that movie to this one, but this movie has much more to say overall so in terms of "greatness", I would place this one higher than I did. It's just sort of a Schindler's List situation of "do I actually want to watch this again?"
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Fantasia and 2001 didnt really have anything in common other than a classical score
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PrinceKaro posted...

Fantasia and 2001 didnt really have anything in common other than a classical score

And use of said score in huge swathes of scenes without dialogue where the visuals are meant to be powerful tools in conveying tone and meaning. So yeah, there are aspects of 2001 that are very much like Fantasia.
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And also there is actually an entire chunk of Fantasia that presents a certain historical perspective on the history of the Earth that is definitely tangential to the evolution of man.
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Espeon posted...

Hmm. I DEFINITELY agree with some of the unease people had towards the depiction of women in Soylent Green. It is UNBELIEVABLY sexist. But...I appreciated it because if though it probably WAS a product of 60s/70s sexism, it always felt justified by the world the movie built. If we ever got to THAT point in human society, I have zero doubt that some women would take on the role of furniture (and just to point out, it wasnt ALL women; just the apartment companions) in order to escape the hardships of life in poverty. ESPECIALLY in a hyper-masculine society that seems to push for human Darwinism and fighting for survival.

I mean a good juxtaposition is a young woman literally dying on the street with her crying child in her arms and... a furniture eating strawberry jam off a spoon.

Given those options sign me up to become the fucking love seat. I could not in good conscious choose my dignity over self-preservation. Would I be happy about it? Probably not given how furniture is treated, but the alternative is worse than death.
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