Current Events > What do you think of the life is a simulation theory?

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reportedly elon musk believes it iirc.
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Makes me just wanna skrrt at the thought of it.
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just another way for our brains to justify consciousness and existence

its really hard to comprehend dying so we believe in things like simulations or matrixes or heaven.
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who cares. if it isn't it doesn't matter, if it is what can you do about it?
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then who is the simulator etc.......?
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It answers nothing. All it does is push base reality back one tier.

metralo posted...

just another way for our brains to justify consciousness and existence

its really hard to comprehend dying so we believe in things like simulations or matrixes or heaven.

This
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I mean, it's likely true. It's not supposed to be an answer but it makes perfect sense to me. Whatever you believe instead of this is probably way more irrational and supernatural.
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so you liked the matrix movies? maybe the wachowski brothers are big proponents of simulation...........etc..
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DuranOfForcena posted...

i agree with the assertion that the odds of us being in base reality are astronomically against us, if what we know about the progression of life, civilization and society in our own history can be extrapolated onto the much larger probability space and much longer timeline of the universe as a whole, and i also think that it wouldn't make any difference either way since we would most likely never be able to perceive our simulated reality as anything but the reality we and it are programmed to see it as.

you got to find the red pill!
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rikasa posted...

I mean, it's likely true. It's not supposed to be an answer but it makes perfect sense to me. Whatever you believe instead of this is probably way more irrational and supernatural.

how is it likely true though?
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Seems legit.
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tamashiini posted...

Seems legit.

how? explain
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I think a few Black Mirror eps would be more timely examples to use lol but sure, the first matrix was good. I don't think that's the same thing as Elon's theory though, "The Matrix" was a lot more shallower since it was all basically still rooted in a natural human world
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I liked it better when it was the dream theory

Calling it "simulation" is just pretentious nonsense
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I enjoy thinking about this theory. My only question is how much of the simulation history is...simulated? As in is there something important that happens during this portion of history that needs to be observed, or did someone start the sim and let it run?
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That hole Einstein thing about gravity being space time physically bending is enough of a mindfuck that you could say anything is possible.
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monkmith posted...

Who cares? If it isn't, it doesn't matter.

This is true. But...

If it is, what can you do about it?

Try to find out how to hack it. Did you ever want a real-life GameShark code for the money in your pocket?

Maybe people who use telekinesis just found a way to modify the physics engine.
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DoubleOSnake posted...

rikasa posted...

I mean, it's likely true. It's not supposed to be an answer but it makes perfect sense to me. Whatever you believe instead of this is probably way more irrational and supernatural.

how is it likely true though?

I'm not sure what you mean by this question. I assumed you watched Elon's vids and stuff if you were making this topic. I don't see any likelier explanation for our existence than Elon's proposition that humans are the biological boot loader for AI. Everything humanity's been working for has been barreling straight toward it. Any sort of emotional plea for meaning or covering your eyes/ears about it doesn't really change it. If you think there's a better explanation you're welcome to believe it. Obviously no answer in this discussion can be 100% proven ever.
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I've read Jean Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation and think he's onto it in that he describes modern society as built on models, symbols, and references that have become unmoored from nature and an 'objective' reality and describes that state as a 'simulation'

Though I don't think it's particularly useful to believe our universe and experiences have been conjured up in some purpose built machine (since there's no real way to disprove that, or do anything about it even if it was true)
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Elon Musk is such a low-level hipster. I remember reading Bostrom's paper when it was released and trying to explain it to friends in layman's terms. No one got it then and I don't know if people get it today even with the mainstream exposure. "You mean like The Matrix?"
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I hope life is a matchmaking app, like that black mirror episode

Shit, i gotta watch that one again
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I think that it's a novel idea that people take way to seriously. It's gotten to the point of being a meme and some people just use it as shorthand for "I'm a deep thinker", but really, it's treated no differently than most religions and I really don't feel like we need any more of that right now.

Laserion posted...

monkmith posted...

Who cares? If it isn't, it doesn't matter.

This is true. But...

If it is, what can you do about it?

Try to find out how to hack it. Did you ever want a real-life GameShark code for the money in your pocket?

Maybe people who use telekinesis just found a way to modify the physics engine.

if some super intelligence is able to generate a world we perceive as real in a computer do you really think there'd be any way for us to hack it? matrix only worked because the machine was apparently smart enough to turn all humans into batteries but too stupid to cull anything that escaped the matrix in the first place.
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I believe it's possible but that it's also probably unfalsifiable and has no bearing on our life either way
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Dash_Harber posted...

I think that it's a novel idea that people take way to seriously. It's gotten to the point of being a meme and some people just use it as shorthand for "I'm a deep thinker", but really, it's treated no differently than most religions and I really don't feel like we need any more of that right now.

For your own sanity... step away from the internet.
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rikasa posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

I think that it's a novel idea that people take way to seriously. It's gotten to the point of being a meme and some people just use it as shorthand for "I'm a deep thinker", but really, it's treated no differently than most religions and I really don't feel like we need any more of that right now.

For your own sanity... step away from the internet.

I'm sorry, are you saying I sound crazy, or that I'm going to be inundated with a bunch of loons who ascribe to said theory?

I'm programmed to think it's fake.
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Dash_Harber posted...

I'm sorry, are you saying I sound crazy, or that I'm going to be inundated with a bunch of loons who ascribe to said theory?

I'm saying that your paradigm of reality is very obviously influenced by internet culture and it's not healthy for you nor is it accurate.
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rikasa posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

I'm sorry, are you saying I sound crazy, or that I'm going to be inundated with a bunch of loons who ascribe to said theory?

I'm saying that your paradigm of reality is very obviously influenced by internet culture and it's not healthy for you nor is it accurate.

Because I don't take simulation theory too seriously? That seems like a huge extreme to jump too.

DoubleOSnake posted...

then who is the simulator etc.......?

Future humans.
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so when we die, do we unplug and wake up in the real world? or are we just data born of this simulation?

I never understood what's so bad about just accepting we're in base reality.

I think it's a fallacy that people think there always has to be something higher. They apply possibilities in places where there are no reason to assume such things, but there are gaps for basically anything they come up with to fit. Call it divine creation, a simulation, a fairy's fart in the wind, whatever. It doesn't change the fact that it a) is impossible to know because it would exist outside the confines of our reality; and b) would have no bearing on anything within the confines of our reality. Based on these caveats, it's logically identical to "not being real", so I say we start treating it as such.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Call it divine creation, a simulation, a fairy's fart in the wind, whatever.

I'm still sticking with quantum physics.

Zikten posted...

so when we die, do we unplug and wake up in the real world? or are we just data born of this simulation?

When you die you wake up in a smoky room surrounded by your alien buddies going "did you feel it?"

Questionmarktarius posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Call it divine creation, a simulation, a fairy's fart in the wind, whatever.

I'm still sticking with quantum physics.

You took that out of context. I was arguing against all of those things.

The probability argument is dumb, because it would lead to the actual "reality" also concluding that they're in a simulation.
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DoubleOSnake posted...

then who is the simulator etc.......?

DoubleOSnake posted...

"Kojima, the man who trolled the world"

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