Current Events > Jason Schreier had a discussion with YongYea, it went off the rails on twitter

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https://twitter.com/YongYea/status/1064388862338834432

I haven't watched it myself yet, but apparently he implied that YongYea is alt-right or something because of comments on his youtube video, and then afterwards took to twitter to prove his point.

Can we agree that Jason and Kotaku are a complete joke now?

Who doesn't treat Kotaku as a joke here?
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The usual types. The people that post links to ResetERA and the type who support Zoe Quinn basically.

I like Yong and am subscribed to his channel, but the comments on his videos are often toxic I have to admit (not all of them, but certainly a few). They attract some of the anti-SJW, GamerGate types.

I don't think it's that Yong deliberately tries to court them or anything; it's just that he's critical of developers and game journalists at times, which the GGers line up on (the difference being that Yong's fairly constructive rather than ideologically opposed). As far as I'm concerned, that's all they really have in common. Yong seems like a decent guy to me. Maybe his video comments could use some moderation, that's all I'll say.

This is the last gasp from the dying gaming media. They've realized that people don't take them seriously anymore, and these types of stories have been desperate efforts to stay relevant. I mean, imagine being king one day where everyone comes to you for your opinion, but then years later people go to individuals with actual opinions that aren't bought and paid for, while you're begging for scraps from your masters.

The sooner these companies go under, the better.
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Jason is one of the few gaming journalists I would actually label as a journalist instead of a talking head. That being said, this isn't the type of news I care about him writing about. I would much prefer he tackles actual issues with substance to them that others in the industry don't talk about.
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Jason Schreier basically perpetuated fake news during the guild wars 2 twitter hullabaloo
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They're both jokes.

It's hilarious that yongyea is getting blasted for this though. Guy is one of those clickbait outrage Youtubers that's just trying to make an easy buck.
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luigi13579 posted...

I don't think it's that Yong deliberately tries to court them or anything; it's just that he's critical of developers and game journalists at times, which the GGers line up on (the difference being that Yong's fairly constructive rather than ideologically opposed). As far as I'm concerned, that's all they really have in common. Yong seems like a decent guy to me. Maybe his video comments could use some moderation, that's all I'll say.

So basically if someone I don't like likes something you like, you're someone I don't like?

What kind of bullshit thinking is that?

Jiggy101011 posted...

Jason is one of the few gaming journalists I would actually label as a journalist instead of a talking head.

Schreier is a bit more polished than most game site writers, but its hard to take him seriously as an actual journalist when he once literally tweeted Nobody at Kotaku has ever claimed or will ever claim to be objective. "Objectivity" is a silly thing to strive for.

He is not so subtly telling readers that he engages in propaganda.
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I mean there's nothing to really think about. And you'd ask someone to think about what they're doing in hopes of changing their behavior.

It seems like one of the more direct, open passive aggressive attempts against someone. Maybe Jason Schreier doesn't like YongYea being against bad acting developers or journalists, or he thinks that Yong goes too hard on them.

Whatever the reason, it is a verbal attack. Personally, I think YongYea is the equivalent of a youtube reposter.
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Youngster_Joey_ posted...

So basically if someone I don't like likes something you like, you're someone I don't like?

No. I was just saying why I think that some of those people comment on his videos. Not that he's to blame or as bad as them. I was defending Yong if anything. As I said, I like him and watch his vids myself.

Was Jason wrong in saying that he has a lot of alt-right comments on his videos?
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rikasa posted...

Was Jason wrong in saying that he has a lot of alt-right comments on his videos?

Yes

He really doesn't have "a lot" compared to the rest of the comments.

And it's also something that has no point in the discussion. For every "alt right" person he can find that watches Yongs videos, I guarantee there are at least two more people who were wanting to dox and harass people in the name of anti-gamer gate that watches his.

I don't know anything about Yong outside of a few of his Metal Gear videos but the guy is a bit of a derp on them.
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Error1355 posted...

I don't know anything about Yong outside of a few of his Metal Gear videos but the guy is a bit of a derp on them.

lol that's how I feel.

Like, every time I see a YongYea video he acts like a massive tool over MGS. He seems like a guy who got into it like with MGS4.

Every other video of his is just like generic shit everyone else on Youtube is saying.

That being said, I can't take Kotaku seriously either.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Schreier is a bit more polished than most game site writers, but its hard to take him seriously as an actual journalist when he once literally tweeted Nobody at Kotaku has ever claimed or will ever claim to be objective. "Objectivity" is a silly thing to strive for.

Objectivity is a myth, and most of the content they put out is opinion pieces.
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Schreier is a good reporter but thats it. Hes a complete fucking dink when it comes to basic interaction or anything else
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X-Pac_Heat posted...

Who doesn't treat Kotaku as a joke here?

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rikasa posted...

Was Jason wrong in saying that he has a lot of alt-right comments on his videos?

Does it really matter?

Like, the alt-right can go fuck off, but them commenting is a little irrelevant unless the content itself is alt-right.

I can make a campaign to comment on videos about Mongolian throat-singing, doesn't mean that what said comments say changes the throat-singing.
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Antifar posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Schreier is a bit more polished than most game site writers, but its hard to take him seriously as an actual journalist when he once literally tweeted Nobody at Kotaku has ever claimed or will ever claim to be objective. "Objectivity" is a silly thing to strive for.

Objectivity is a myth, and most of the content they put out is opinion pieces.

Is that what they taught you to strive for in journalism school at Boston?

God damn, now a lot of your posts make so much more sense to me.
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I think his point is that his content specifically attracts those types of gamers. Not that he himself is one. I'm pretty sure that's what their video discusses.
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Darmik posted...

I think his point is that his content specifically attracts those types of gamers. Not that he himself is one. I'm pretty sure that's what their video discusses.

And the question remains, why does that matter?

Are we now going to say that anyone who doesn't bow down to game journalists are alt right neo nazi's?
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X-Pac_Heat posted...

Darmik posted...

I think his point is that his content specifically attracts those types of gamers. Not that he himself is one. I'm pretty sure that's what their video discusses.

And the question remains, why does that matter?

Are we now going to say that anyone who doesn't bow down to game journalists are alt right neo nazi's?

Don't even bother arguing with Darmik. Every post of his boils down to

Corporation = Good
Consumer = Bad
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mcpwnia posted...

Schreier is a good reporter but thats it. Hes a complete fucking dink when it comes to basic interaction or anything else

Basically what I was gonna say. When he's writing about behind the scenes stuff, like in his book it's good, but when he's crying and defending shitty devs like the last 2 weeks he's super whiny.
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"I know you literally have no sway over living human beings with their own thoughts and opinions, but you really, like, should control their every action and make them stop doing things I don't like." I hate this mentality so much. The idea that someone has fans or supporters of a less than reputable nature says nothing about that person unless they directly support or encourage those views.

X-Pac_Heat posted...

Darmik posted...

I think his point is that his content specifically attracts those types of gamers. Not that he himself is one. I'm pretty sure that's what their video discusses.

And the question remains, why does that matter?

Are we now going to say that anyone who doesn't bow down to game journalists are alt right neo nazi's?

I think it would matter to me if that was my audience personally. I followed this a little bit as it was happening and the comments made towards Jason on Yong's social media channels were overall pretty universally negative or hostile way before this tweet.

Nobody said anything about bowing down to gaming journalists. But if this dude has an audience who overall seems to get outraged over game journalism wouldn't you say he appeals to a specific kind of audience? At the very least they sound similar to GamerGate types.
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Darmik posted...

But if this dude has an audience who overall seems to get outraged over game journalism wouldn't you say he appeals to a specific kind of audience?

So being outraged over game journalism = anti semite, alt right and neo nazi now?

Like, I just really don't understand why it mattered at all for him to point this out other than blatant deflection.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

Darmik posted...

But if this dude has an audience who overall seems to get outraged over game journalism wouldn't you say he appeals to a specific kind of audience?

So being outraged over game journalism = anti semite, alt right and neo nazi now?

Like, I just really don't understand why it mattered at all for him to point this out other than blatant deflection.

No. The constant anti-semitic and nazi-like comments he received in the YouTube comments were.

It seems like those types tend to latch onto YouTubers like this for whatever reason. I think if you constantly create content that is focused on outrage it's going to happen. Even know when I glance at that Twitter link I'm seeing someone ranting that Kotaku writes content for terrorists.
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Darmik posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

Darmik posted...

But if this dude has an audience who overall seems to get outraged over game journalism wouldn't you say he appeals to a specific kind of audience?

So being outraged over game journalism = anti semite, alt right and neo nazi now?

Like, I just really don't understand why it mattered at all for him to point this out other than blatant deflection.

No. The constant anti-semitic and nazi-like comments he received in the YouTube comments were.

It seems like those types tend to latch onto YouTubers like this for whatever reason. I think if you constantly create content that is focused on outrage it's going to happen. Even know when I glance at that Twitter link I'm seeing someone ranting that Kotaku writes content for terrorists.

Couldnt those alt right haters also just search for anyone who is taking on leftists in debates and run to the comments to say whatever dumb hateful shit?
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Darmik posted...

No. The constant anti-semitic and nazi-like comments he received in the YouTube comments were.

The problem is that Schreier wasn't saying he appeals to people who don't like journalism, but that he appeals to the alt right.

So yeah, Yong makes content that appeals to them. I don't think he makes content that is meant to appeal to the alt right.

Unless, we're now saying that anti game journalists is alt right or something?

Also, why is it that this is something Yong appeals to? Couldn't it be possible that if Jason Schreier is getting this shit from the alt right through multiple places, he's the one attracting them?
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