Current Events > C/D: Lawyers have the highest percentage of idiots as a professional occupation.

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Geiki Ganger
11/20/18 12:39:45 PM
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C.

And the reason, in my opinion, is because it is embarrassingly easy to get into a random law school, the school then does a piss-poor job at training its students, and the state bars at the end are almost always a joke with pass rates often above 50%.

I can't think of any other profession where you can be so unqualified, and yet be allowed to practiced.

The entire legal field in North America needs an overhaul, IMO.
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CruelBuffalo
11/20/18 12:40:42 PM
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Idk youve seen computer sciene majors post here right?
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SunburnCostanza
11/20/18 12:42:56 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Idk youve seen computer sciene majors post here right?


Has to be this one
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Doe
11/20/18 12:43:33 PM
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I thought the bar exam was supposed to be crazy difficult.
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Damn_Underscore
11/20/18 12:45:27 PM
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Law should be an easy degree to get tho. The legal system is a very important part of our society.
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Geiki Ganger
11/20/18 12:48:12 PM
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Doe posted...
I thought the bar exam was supposed to be crazy difficult.


Not in North America.

Damn_Underscore posted...
Law should be an easy degree to get tho. The legal system is a very important part of our society.


What no, that makes no sense. The fact that it is important is precisely why we should have higher bars to prevent incompetent lawyers from giving bad legal advice.
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whitelytning
11/20/18 12:48:24 PM
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What also happens in law is that usually the worse the law school the more effort they put into teaching towards the bar to try to get their students to pass at a disproportionate rate compared to the kids with better grades/LSAT scores that went to a better school. The bad law schools usually require a bar prep course or two while the better schools don't waste their time with it.

Law school does do a decent job of thinning the heard between the first year and the bar exam but there are still a lot of people in the profession. It also varies by state a lot. I'm happy that pass rates are going down lately.

The bar exam is difficult.
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gguirao
11/20/18 12:49:31 PM
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D, politicians.
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Geiki Ganger
11/20/18 12:50:10 PM
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gguirao posted...
D, politicians.


True, but there is a significant overlap between lawyers and politicians, so...
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Questionmarktarius
11/20/18 12:50:23 PM
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gguirao posted...
D, politicians.

...who are mostly just a distillation of lawyers.
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CruelBuffalo
11/20/18 12:50:56 PM
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Geiki Ganger posted...
gguirao posted...
D, politicians.


True, but there is a significant overlap between lawyers and politicians, so...

Questionmarktarius posted...
gguirao posted...
D, politicians.

...who are mostly just a distillation of lawyers.


Hehe true statements
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Damn_Underscore
11/20/18 12:52:48 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Law should be an easy degree to get tho. The legal system is a very important part of our society.


What no, that makes no sense. The fact that it is important is precisely why we should have higher bars to prevent incompetent lawyers from giving bad legal advice.


But the fewer lawyers there are, the more expensive they will be.
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Geiki Ganger
11/20/18 12:55:25 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Law should be an easy degree to get tho. The legal system is a very important part of our society.


What no, that makes no sense. The fact that it is important is precisely why we should have higher bars to prevent incompetent lawyers from giving bad legal advice.


But the fewer lawyers there are, the more expensive they will be.


Not really. Lawyers' bill rates have been going up despite the abundance of lawyers available because legal service is an inelastic supply.
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iClockwork
11/20/18 12:57:22 PM
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Um have you ever been to Walmart?
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Geiki Ganger
11/20/18 12:58:02 PM
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iClockwork posted...
Um have you ever been to Walmart?


I didn't know working at Wal-Mart qualifies as a professional occupation.
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iClockwork
11/20/18 1:12:38 PM
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Geiki Ganger posted...
iClockwork posted...
Um have you ever been to Walmart?


I didn't know working at Wal-Mart qualifies as a professional occupation.

stockers and cashiers aren't professional occupations?
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EdgeMaster
11/20/18 1:23:49 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Law should be an easy degree to get tho. The legal system is a very important part of our society.


What no, that makes no sense. The fact that it is important is precisely why we should have higher bars to prevent incompetent lawyers from giving bad legal advice.


But the fewer lawyers there are, the more expensive they will be.


Another stupid post by you, someone with no higher education.

Lawyers in each state get together and decide a baseline price for whatever service you want from them.
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Damn_Underscore
11/20/18 1:54:36 PM
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EdgeMaster posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Law should be an easy degree to get tho. The legal system is a very important part of our society.


What no, that makes no sense. The fact that it is important is precisely why we should have higher bars to prevent incompetent lawyers from giving bad legal advice.


But the fewer lawyers there are, the more expensive they will be.


Another stupid post by you, someone with no higher education.

Lawyers in each state get together and decide a baseline price for whatever service you want from them.


What is your problem?

Anyway, that sounds to me like a huge problem with the law industry itself and making becoming a lawyer even more exclusive isn't going to help.
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Rika_Furude
11/20/18 1:56:08 PM
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Womans studies majors
Gender studies majors
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CruelBuffalo
11/20/18 2:09:07 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Womans studies majors
Gender studies majors

How many do you know?
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averagejoel
11/20/18 2:10:14 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Womans studies majors
Gender studies majors

I didn't know those were occupations
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Rexdragon125
11/20/18 2:14:17 PM
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Microsoft developers, mobile app developers
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Fony
11/20/18 2:16:58 PM
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As someone who has worked in IT departments at several different types of industries, teachers by far have the most idiots among them. Not in terms of tech literacy either....just fucking unbelievably stupid.
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Fony
11/20/18 2:19:18 PM
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Doe posted...
I thought the bar exam was supposed to be crazy difficult.


They actually gradually lowered the bar(lol) for passing as well as made it easier over the years. My girlfriend's class was the last one where it was actually challenging in NY.
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YonicBoom
11/20/18 2:20:11 PM
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Doe posted...
I thought the bar exam was supposed to be crazy difficult.

Rote memorization? Difficult?

With an SRS flashcards program almost anyone can pass a bar exam.
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Rika_Furude
11/20/18 2:22:44 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Womans studies majors
Gender studies majors

How many do you know?

0 thankfully
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EdgeMaster
11/20/18 2:26:38 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
EdgeMaster posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Law should be an easy degree to get tho. The legal system is a very important part of our society.


What no, that makes no sense. The fact that it is important is precisely why we should have higher bars to prevent incompetent lawyers from giving bad legal advice.


But the fewer lawyers there are, the more expensive they will be.


Another stupid post by you, someone with no higher education.

Lawyers in each state get together and decide a baseline price for whatever service you want from them.


What is your problem?

Anyway, that sounds to me like a huge problem with the law industry itself and making becoming a lawyer even more exclusive isn't going to help.


I dont have a problem. You however should work on becoming more educated. It would help you greatly both on here and in your daily life.

I dont really see a problem with it. It means there is enough work to go around and everyone gets food on their table. Its essentially the same concept unions use.

averagejoel posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Womans studies majors
Gender studies majors

I didn't know those were occupations


I think thats part of the joke. There arent any jobs specific to those majors, nor do any employers (professional or wageslave level) find getting history lessons that drastically overplay how sexist the past was a useful skill on the job.
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Damn_Underscore
11/20/18 2:31:51 PM
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EdgeMaster posted...
I dont really see a problem with it. It means there is enough work to go around and everyone gets food on their table. Its essentially the same concept unions use.


Maybe, but every lawyer I've seen has been very expensive even for mundane things.
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brestugo
11/20/18 2:37:48 PM
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D.

Professors. I used to be one. There are so many professors who are booksmart but because they have been in school around 19-22 year olds their whole life (as a student, then an employee), they have no social skills or common sense.

It's a wonder some of them make it through the day.
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Mareen
11/20/18 2:40:38 PM
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D.

Teachers/Professors exist.
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HenryAllbright
11/20/18 2:44:03 PM
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I watched season 2 of Making a Murderer and during the part where the kid's lawyer was arguing in front of the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, one of the judges asked what the police's motivation was to try and push a false confession out of Brenden, and she argued that they didn't need a motivation. And I was sitting there on my couch saying "Their motivation was to try and convict Steven Avery...say that!" And she didn't, and then later this other (and better) attorney who is working Avery's case said the exact same thing I did. And I was like "fuck yeah I should like be a lawyer and shit".
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Damn_Underscore
11/20/18 2:48:01 PM
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Does the law school you go to actually determine if you'll be a good lawyer or not?

Like in that example you gave it's all about being able to make the right argument at the right time, no matter where your law degree is from.
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spudger
11/20/18 3:11:37 PM
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A lot of ppl are shitty in every job
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