Current Events > Can someone who differs from you on most political opinions be a good person?

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Seems like most people these days try to villify people on the other end.

Since I assume most of CE is left leaning, could you consider someone a good person who is: anti mimimum wage hike, pro guns, anti abortion, anti universal healthcare, for stronger illegal immigration laws/policies, for decreasing welfare programs.

And for those of you that lean right same question but the opposite.

Yes.
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As long as they don't actually vote on their beliefs, there might be a chance.
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They can be, but they probably aren't
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Yes. Everyone had a different life so having a different belief, politically, should not be a surprise.
If anything believing in the exact same thing as me down to the smallest detail would be pretty weird.
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Irl yes. On CE no.
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Hexenherz posted...

As long as they don't actually vote on their beliefs, there might be a chance.

Let's say they do

DarkChozoGhost posted...

They can be, but they probably aren't

Why not?

Yes because I'm not a fuck boy.
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yeah obv, i think people who disagree arent really mature enough to be voting tbqh
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If they do vote then no, because they're actively voting to keep their follow humans suppressed and keep the country from advancing into the 21st century.
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Yeah.

As long as they don't want to put people in cages as a strategy. That's not really something a good person can get behind.
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Hexenherz posted...

If they do vote then no, because they're actively voting to keep their follow humans suppressed and keep the country from advancing into the 21st century.

Shut the fuck up already
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I used to absolutely think so, but the last couple years not so much.

I feel like the "We can disagree on all politics but still be friends" comes from the perspective of people whose lives are relatively isolated from the effects of policy.
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Comfy_Pillow posted...

Since I assume most of CE is left leaning

most of CE is not left leaning

could you consider someone a good person who is: anti mimimum wage hike, pro guns, anti abortion, anti universal healthcare, for stronger illegal immigration laws/policies, for decreasing welfare programs.

most leftists are pro gun

but aside from that, no

Anteaterking posted...

I feel like the "We can disagree on all politics but still be friends" comes from the perspective of people whose lives are relatively isolated from the effects of policy.

I guess if someone was like "I hope they cut off your SSI and healthcare so that you lose your medication and die homeless" it would be hard for me to see them as a good person.
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If somebody thinks that my income should be used to provide goods and services for them, no, somebody who wants me to be indentured to them cannot be a good person.
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I know genuinely good people on the right and left. However it requires character flaws to go full Stormfront or TheRoot.
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Fuparulez posted...

If somebody thinks that my income should be used to provide goods and services for them, no, somebody who wants me to be indentured to them cannot be a good person.

Somebody wants to use your income to provide services for someone else, and then claim that they have the moral upper hand.
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Fuparulez posted...

If somebody thinks that my income should be used to provide goods and services for them, no, somebody who wants me to be indentured to them cannot be a good person.

You know you might become sick one day right? When you do. I hope you stick to your morals and have the decency to just die and not use others peoples money to stay alive
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Fuparulez posted...

If somebody thinks that my income should be used to provide goods and services for them, no, somebody who wants me to be indentured to them cannot be a good person.

Alright Ayn Rand

*rolls eyes*
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Fuparulez posted...

If somebody thinks that my income should be used to provide goods and services for them, no, somebody who wants me to be indentured to them cannot be a good person.

You know you might become sick one day right? When you do. I hope you stick to your morals and have the decency to just die and not use others peoples money to stay alive

I'm sure he'll have his own money saved up to take care of himself when that happens. What are assets, anyway?
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Comfy_Pillow posted...

could you consider someone a good person who is: anti mimimum wage hike, pro guns, anti abortion, anti universal healthcare, for stronger illegal immigration laws/policies, for decreasing welfare programs.

Basically me minus the abortion and immigration parts

but yeah, there are even a few socialists here on CE I'd go so far as to consider good posters
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Comfy_Pillow posted...

Since I assume most of CE is left leaning, could you consider someone a good person who is: anti mimimum wage hike, pro guns, anti abortion, anti universal healthcare, for stronger illegal immigration laws/policies, for decreasing welfare programs.

Minimum wage keeps it where it is. Won't change a thing and you'll be upset about it again in a few months if it's raised. If you're terrible with money, you're terrible with money.

Guns are awesome. We need more.

Abortions are gross but knock yourself out.

LOL @ the United States government not bankrupting itself by providing healthcare for free for everyone. Take a gander out in rural Georgia and let me know how healthy these people are. They're not Canadians out skiing and riding bikes to work, I'ma tell you what.

Illegal is illegal. Follow the rules.

Welfare dis-incentivizes self sufficiency. People who grow up with parents who don't do anything end up not doing anything, because they've been raised by somebody who doesn't do anything. Science.
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If their beliefs in being against increased minimum wage are rooted in classism -- then no.
If they're going to complain about health care reform and talk about "fat, lazy people" then no.

If either opinion is based on financial reasonings and they still support assistance programs -- then sure

bobbaaay posted...

If their beliefs in being against increased minimum wage are rooted in classism -- then no.
If they're going to complain about health care reform and talk about "fat, lazy people" then no.

If either opinion is based on financial reasonings and they still support assistance programs -- then sure

Which of those do you believe is more common?

Hairistotle posted...

Sure, they might just be stupid

Why would voting that way make them stupid?

Comfy_Pillow posted...

bobbaaay posted...

If their beliefs in being against increased minimum wage are rooted in classism -- then no.
If they're going to complain about health care reform and talk about "fat, lazy people" then no.

If either opinion is based on financial reasonings and they still support assistance programs -- then sure

Which of those do you believe is more common?

The former. Usually some bootstraps garbage

bobbaaay posted...

Comfy_Pillow posted...

bobbaaay posted...

If their beliefs in being against increased minimum wage are rooted in classism -- then no.
If they're going to complain about health care reform and talk about "fat, lazy people" then no.

If either opinion is based on financial reasonings and they still support assistance programs -- then sure

Which of those do you believe is more common?

The former. Usually some bootstraps garbage

Couldn't it also be both? "Poor people are lazy and it could hurt me / the country financially?"

Anti-abortion is the main cynch. Hard for me to think someone is a good person who is anti-womens rights.

At a certain point, someone can be very nice, polite, loving, a family person, etc., but allowing and actually actively supporting politicians who have such horrible views is inexcusable.
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Comfy_Pillow posted...

bobbaaay posted...

Comfy_Pillow posted...

bobbaaay posted...

If their beliefs in being against increased minimum wage are rooted in classism -- then no.
If they're going to complain about health care reform and talk about "fat, lazy people" then no.

If either opinion is based on financial reasonings and they still support assistance programs -- then sure

Which of those do you believe is more common?

The former. Usually some bootstraps garbage

Couldn't it also be both? "Poor people are lazy and it could hurt me / the country financially?"

It's still admitting to classism, and is still deplorable

Bananana posted...

Anti-abortion is the main cynch. Hard for me to think someone is a good person who is anti-womens rights.

At a certain point, someone can be very nice, polite, loving, a family person, etc., but allowing and actually actively supporting politicians who have such horrible views is inexcusable.

Killing somebody isn't a right unless they're actively trying to kill you. So unless that baby will kill the mother by being born, you shouldn't be allowed to kill it.
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If you dont want to dump debt on future generations to fund free handouts today, you hate poor people.

If you want a massive nanny state government, pay for it today. Dont tax the unborn without representation and pretend you have some moral high ground.
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Comfy_Pillow posted...

bobbaaay posted...

Comfy_Pillow posted...

bobbaaay posted...

If their beliefs in being against increased minimum wage are rooted in classism -- then no.
If they're going to complain about health care reform and talk about "fat, lazy people" then no.

If either opinion is based on financial reasonings and they still support assistance programs -- then sure

Which of those do you believe is more common?

The former. Usually some bootstraps garbage

Couldn't it also be both? "Poor people are lazy and it could hurt me / the country financially?"

"poor people are lazy" is a baseless lie perpetuated to stigmatize poverty, as though it's not bad enough without the stigma

"it could hurt me / the country financially" is also false unless the person saying it is pretty damn wealthy, in which case their opinion on anything is completely worthless

Uncle Choad posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Fuparulez posted...

If somebody thinks that my income should be used to provide goods and services for them, no, somebody who wants me to be indentured to them cannot be a good person.

You know you might become sick one day right? When you do. I hope you stick to your morals and have the decency to just die and not use others peoples money to stay alive

I'm sure he'll have his own money saved up to take care of himself when that happens. What are assets, anyway?

Oh yeah. I forgot, sickness is known to wait until you have everything in order before it hits. Just like someone with this outlook to feel entitled to good health. It's funny that you hate other peoples entitlement, yet you heavily rely on it.
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Yes.
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Yes, especially after I convert them.
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Obviously yes.
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As someone who is center left I consider the stances of both sides. 99% of the time theres the actual reasoning one side believes in something and then the twisted vilified version the other side thinks is the reason. The sad thing is, almost on every issue one side only sees the twisted version when in fact both sides have good intentions at heart.
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CapnMuffin posted...

As someone who is center left I consider the stances of both sides. 99% of the time theres the actual reasoning one side believes in something and then the twisted vilified version the other side thinks is the reason. The sad thing is, almost on every issue one side only sees the twisted version when in fact both sides have good intentions at heart.

wanting to punish homeless people for being lazy is a good intention?

Sure.

They're just misguided and undisciplined is all. That doesn't necessarily make them a bad person.
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Seems kjnd of divided

Lots of the usual argumentative political posters absent though

I couldn't care less about political opinions, so yes they could be a good person.
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Bananana posted...

Anti-abortion is the main cynch. Hard for me to think someone is a good person who is anti-womens rights.

At a certain point, someone can be very nice, polite, loving, a family person, etc., but allowing and actually actively supporting politicians who have such horrible views is inexcusable.

I know a lot of republicans that have no problems with abortion, they just dont think the taxpayer should be paying for others choices. (Rape is a different thing entirely) Evangelicals on the other hand, LOL at them.
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Thankfully in real life people are usually civil and those with different political beliefs get along and are friends.

If real life was like the internet it would be awful
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Thankfully in real life people are usually civil and those with different political beliefs get along and are friends.

If real life was like the internet it would be awful

policy decisions have an actual impact on peoples' lives. most people are not well-off enough to ignore this.