Current Events > The older I get, the more conservative I become.

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Like, I will never vote republican because of their absurd positions on social issues like marijuana and gay rights, but economically, I grow increasingly disdainful of the lower classes and want to protect what is mine.

gross
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Antifar posted...

gross

Yeah, I guess this is what it feels like to be a relatively well-off gay atheist.

Did you use to be poor?
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I used to be a socialist but now Im a liberal. The difference (not saying this to troll or meme) was getting a real job instead of just doing chores for my parents/asking really nicely for money. (I work in a warehouse and make 5 dollars over minimum wage with a paid half hour break every 2 hours )
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That's generally how it goes.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Did you use to be poor?

Eh, I was raised lower middle class. Dont know that I would say poor though. My parents are borderline 1% these days though (they didnt make their money until after I moved out). I currently have a fairly high-paying job.

CiIantro posted...

but economically, I grow increasingly disdainful of the lower classes and want to protect what is mine.

This makes sense. If you're someone who has worked steadily at a decent job and you're responsible enough to save and invest, then you get sick of the non-productive members of society thinking they should get everything for free.
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CiIantro posted...

Like, I will never vote republican because of their absurd positions on social issues like marijuana and gay rights,

you're 5 years from becoming a straight ticket R voter. probably less really.

Alphamon posted...

CiIantro posted...

Like, I will never vote republican because of their absurd positions on social issues like marijuana and gay rights,

you're 5 years from becoming a straight ticket R voter. probably less really.

Nah, they way they have treated gay people has permanently turned me off to the party. I will never vote for a group that literally goes out of their way to make my life hard.

You know, you can find some sense of validation of the present system with individual success and still not have a disdain for the lower class and be sympathetic to their struggles. I mean thats possible.
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CiIantro posted...

Nah, they way they have treated gay people has permanently turned me off to the party.

It hasn't and you will become a straight R voter once the GOP realizes fighting against LGBT rights is a losing battle as they suppress and gerrymandering and blow up countries full of brown people.

The older I get the more disdain I have for the current system and "conservative" values.
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Kazi1212 posted...

You know, you can find some sense of validation of the present system with individual success and still not have a disdain for the lower class and be sympathetic to their struggles. I mean thats possible.

Oh, I will unabashedly admit that I hate being around poor people. They are generally badly behaved, unkempt, uneducated, and uncultured. Like, I suggest we go out to a nice meal, and they flip their shit "IT COSTS $150???". I honestly can't stand it. All of my friends these days are at least upper middle class and have been met through my work.
I guess I would be considered a limousine liberal.

CiIantro posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

You know, you can find some sense of validation of the present system with individual success and still not have a disdain for the lower class and be sympathetic to their struggles. I mean thats possible.

Oh, I will unabashedly admit that I hate being around poor people. They are generally badly behaved, unkempt, uneducated, and uncultured. Like, I suggest we go out to a nice meal, and they flip their shit "IT COSTS $150???". I honestly can't stand it. All of my friends these days are at least upper middle class and have been met through my work.
I guess I would be considered a limousine liberal.

No you're straight up conservative snob.

Jesus Christ, $150 for a meal?
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Alphamon posted...

CiIantro posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

You know, you can find some sense of validation of the present system with individual success and still not have a disdain for the lower class and be sympathetic to their struggles. I mean thats possible.

Oh, I will unabashedly admit that I hate being around poor people. They are generally badly behaved, unkempt, uneducated, and uncultured. Like, I suggest we go out to a nice meal, and they flip their shit "IT COSTS $150???". I honestly can't stand it. All of my friends these days are at least upper middle class and have been met through my work.
I guess I would be considered a limousine liberal.

No you're straight up conservative snob.

Economically, yes. Socially, I do not believe in using a bronze-age book to dictate public policy. That is asinine.

oh you're back to your spoiled rich kid schtick again

Antifar posted...

Jesus Christ, $150 for a meal?

That is pretty reasonable for a good fine dining meal--especially if dinner. I did lunch at Spago in BH a few months ago for $130.

Raikuro posted...

oh you're back to your spoiled rich kid schtick again

Its not a schtick if it is true *shrugs*

Anyone who is willing to throw $150 on a single meal isn't worth taking seriously.
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$150 for one meal is just wasteful.

You're conservative because you tried being with commoners but they just used you and left you broken so no your only recourse is VOTETRUMP TRURRUMPVOTE TRUMP
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Tmaster148 posted...

Anyone who is willing to throw $150 on a single meal isn't worth taking seriously.

This is the kind of thing I was talking about. Most people I know IRL wouldn't be phased by it, and would ask to tag along.

CiIantro posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

You know, you can find some sense of validation of the present system with individual success and still not have a disdain for the lower class and be sympathetic to their struggles. I mean thats possible.

Oh, I will unabashedly admit that I hate being around poor people. They are generally badly behaved, unkempt, uneducated, and uncultured. Like, I suggest we go out to a nice meal, and they flip their shit "IT COSTS $150???". I honestly can't stand it. All of my friends these days are at least upper middle class and have been met through my work.
I guess I would be considered a limousine liberal.

Ah I see what youre saying. Yea its tough being with poor people and then wanting to eat out and they dont even wanna spend one fiddy, Im like bro, I spent 2gs on these jeans, gotta spend at least 10% on one meal. I dont know about the uncultured bit, but I hear you on them not having funds for basic shit on account theyre poor.
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Even if I earned enough for that to not be irresponsible, I still wouldn't spend that much on a meal. You shouldn't let your expenses raise like that with your income level.
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uwnim posted...

Even if I earned enough for that to not be irresponsible, I still wouldn't spend that much on a meal. You shouldn't let your expenses raise like that with your income level.

Depends on your income level. Once you are well-off, denying yourself pleasures because you are still hung up on what the price *used* to mean to you is unfortunate and will prevent you from being able to fully enjoy your wealth.

You just gotta make more money and then you can be what the Rs call "one of the good ones" and that their prejudices don't apply to you. Then you can vote R with a clean conscience because the only important values in life are

1. the size of your paycheck
2. your investment portfolio
3. the appraisal of your home
4. how much tax you pay
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Pitlord_Special posted...

You just gotta make more money and then you can be what the Rs call "one of the good ones" and that their prejudices don't apply to you. Then you can vote R with a clean conscience because the only important values in life are

1. the size of your paycheck
2. your investment portfolio
3. the appraisal of your home
4. how much tax you pay

I do know a couple republican guys my age who are from extremely wealthy (old money) families. They are totally cool with LGBT people, so you might not be far off the mark.

CiIantro posted...

uwnim posted...

Even if I earned enough for that to not be irresponsible, I still wouldn't spend that much on a meal. You shouldn't let your expenses raise like that with your income level.

Depends on your income level. Once you are well-off, denying yourself pleasures because you are still hung up on what the price *used* to mean to you is unfortunate and will prevent you from being able to fully enjoy your wealth.

Not spending an absurd amount on food is not denying yourself pleasures. Spend a reasonable amount on food and go do some fun things instead. The purpose of having wealth is to not have to work later on in life, anything else is meaningless.
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uwnim posted...

CiIantro posted...

uwnim posted...

Even if I earned enough for that to not be irresponsible, I still wouldn't spend that much on a meal. You shouldn't let your expenses raise like that with your income level.

Depends on your income level. Once you are well-off, denying yourself pleasures because you are still hung up on what the price *used* to mean to you is unfortunate and will prevent you from being able to fully enjoy your wealth.

Not spending an absurd amount on food is not denying yourself pleasures. Spend a reasonable amount on food and go do some fun things instead. The purpose of having wealth is to not have to work later on in life, anything else is meaningless.

The first part of your post is what I am talking about. Low income people arent able to enjoy luxuries because they can't stop thinking about the price. Yes, a $150 meal is generally superior to a $20 meal. Is it proportionally better? No. But if you can afford it, you might as well pay for the bit of added benefit.

As for the purpose of wealth, that is 100% subjective. Plenty of people keep working once they are rich. To me, the purpose of wealth is for me to be able to do whatever I want whenever I want, and to enjoy the best things the world has to offer. I do not view working as inherently bad, and I do not hate my job.

CiIantro posted...

Like, I will never vote republican because of their absurd positions on social issues like marijuana and gay rights,

In a couple decades when the GOP begrudgingly accepts these things and Democrats find new boundaries to push, i wonder where you'll find yourself. Its a position that seems natural in human history. Todays liberal is tomorrows conservative.
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CiIantro posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

You know, you can find some sense of validation of the present system with individual success and still not have a disdain for the lower class and be sympathetic to their struggles. I mean thats possible.

Oh, I will unabashedly admit that I hate being around poor people. They are generally badly behaved, unkempt, uneducated, and uncultured. Like, I suggest we go out to a nice meal, and they flip their shit "IT COSTS $150???". I honestly can't stand it. All of my friends these days are at least upper middle class and have been met through my work.
I guess I would be considered a limousine liberal.

It sounds like rather them being "uncultured" you're just stupidly irresponsible with your money. Who the fuck spends $150 on a meal

rather than*

Oh fuck i know who this is, is this fucking Balor?
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CiIantro posted...

Yes, a $150 meal is generally superior to a $20 meal. Is it proportionally better? No. But if you can afford it, you might as well pay for the bit of added benefit.

"if you can afford it"

Lol. Almost certain my dad makes a lot more money than you do and he wouldn't go for that shit. Probably because it's an unintelligent decision unless it's gonna last you for over a week.

uwnim posted...

The older I get the more disdain I have for the current system and "conservative" values.

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WhyYouSoSTANK posted...

CiIantro posted...

Yes, a $150 meal is generally superior to a $20 meal. Is it proportionally better? No. But if you can afford it, you might as well pay for the bit of added benefit.

"if you can afford it"

Lol. Almost certain my dad makes a lot more money than you do and he wouldn't go for that shit. Probably because it's an unintelligent decision unless it's gonna last you for over a week.

Also spending $150 on a meal is not conservative spending. That's pretty liberal spending of money.
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CiIantro posted...

The first part of your post is what I am talking about. Low income people arent able to enjoy luxuries because they can't stop thinking about the price. Yes, a $150 meal is generally superior to a $20 meal. Is it proportionally better? No. But if you can afford it, you might as well pay for the bit of added benefit.

That is why you shouldn't. You admit it isn't worth it and are doing it just to do it. Instead of spending 150 on a meal, I could spend 20 and then use the rest for a concert or two or something else that's fun.
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I mean jeez, its not like he does it everyday. Its just when youre hanging out with a friend you want a good meal, one fiddy doesnt seem too bad for a couple of nights a week if youre young and not worried much about saving. But yea if youre hanging with poor folks that aint happening, TC aint totally off his rockers.
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I've been pretty still as far as political bent. Socially liberal, fiscally...moderate.
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What do you need all that money for?
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Flockaveli posted...

What do you need all that money for?

Exactly
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WhyYouSoSTANK posted...

CiIantro posted...

Yes, a $150 meal is generally superior to a $20 meal. Is it proportionally better? No. But if you can afford it, you might as well pay for the bit of added benefit.

"if you can afford it"

Lol. Almost certain my dad makes a lot more money than you do and he wouldn't go for that shit. Probably because it's an unintelligent decision unless it's gonna last you for over a week.

My parents grossed $1.1m last year. Are we seriously going to play this game?

uwnim posted...

CiIantro posted...

The first part of your post is what I am talking about. Low income people arent able to enjoy luxuries because they can't stop thinking about the price. Yes, a $150 meal is generally superior to a $20 meal. Is it proportionally better? No. But if you can afford it, you might as well pay for the bit of added benefit.

That is why you shouldn't. You admit it isn't worth it and are doing it just to do it. Instead of spending 150 on a meal, I could spend 20 and then use the rest for a concert or two or something else that's fun.

Or buy both.

Being exposed to corporate "culture" has pushed me further left.

Kazi1212 posted...

I mean jeez, its not like he does it everyday. Its just when youre hanging out with a friend you want a good meal, one fiddy doesnt seem too bad for a couple of nights a week if youre young and not worried much about saving. But yea if youre hanging with poor foldnthat aint happening, TC aint totally off his rockers.

The guy's literally bashing poor people and calling them unkempt for finding that ridiculous, but sure, ignore that bit. That's usually your gimmick anyway

WhyYouSoSTANK posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

I mean jeez, its not like he does it everyday. Its just when youre hanging out with a friend you want a good meal, one fiddy doesnt seem too bad for a couple of nights a week if youre young and not worried much about saving. But yea if youre hanging with poor foldnthat aint happening, TC aint totally off his rockers.

The guy's literally bashing poor people and calling them unkempt for finding that ridiculous, but sure, ignore that bit. That's usually your gimmick anyway

Fair, but to be more fair, you guys could have brought up those things too but stuck to the $150 bit.
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Flockaveli posted...

What do you need all that money for?

Money is freedom. If you dont have a lot of money then youll never really be free
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Same but socially, I'm super liberal but hate anything involving identity acceptance because I feel like most identities aren't real
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