Current Events > Now that I've played Ace Attorney: Spirit of Justice and replayed Dual Destinies

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I kind of want to continue playing through the games again in reverse, but from what I remember AJ:AA makes me feel sad

Hmmmm...
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(for the record I'm playin' the Android versions lately)
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They did some really great work with Apollo. Plus, facing down Phoenix in that civil trial was pretty great.

AJ:AA is easily the worst in the series, really. Not that it's bad, but the others are just so much better.
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Remember to play AAI2 and Layton vs AA
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Apollo is a great game. It might be worse than the others, but its by no means bad. Its final case is absolutely fantastic
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i remember the original trilogy sooo well but every game after that I forget as soon as it's over :(
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Rika_Furude posted...

Apollo is a great game. It might be worse than the others, but its by no means bad. Its final case is absolutely fantastic

I thought the 3rd case was its strongest point personally. The 4th had too many last-minute gimmicks; they should have introduced these things a bit earlier in the game (even if not to the same extent) IMO. Like yeah, I get that for story reasons, the Jurist System really did need to only come in in the final case - but since its mostly relevant to the plot and has very little impact on gameplay, it's alright. On the other hand, the Mason System really shouldn't've come out of nowhere like that IMO. And aside from all that, I also just feel it wasn't the strongest case in and of itself.
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Conflict posted...

DarkTransient posted...

AJ:AA is easily the worst in the series, really. Not that it's bad, but the others are just so much better.

Lol

AA2 says hi

AJ is definitely worse than AA2
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Conflict posted...

DarkTransient posted...

AJ:AA is easily the worst in the series, really. Not that it's bad, but the others are just so much better.

Lol

AA2 says hi

Nah. I'd agree AA2 is the next lowest after AJ:AA, but it is still better.
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The only thing about AA2 that I remember making me go 'oh come on man really' was the clown joking about scatological things while Maya was like 'haha yeah so funny!!'
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Conflict posted...

The middle cases in AJ are ok

The only case in AA2 that isn't completely awful is the last one

To be fair, the last AA2 case is probably the best one out of the original 4 games. I havent played the new ones yet so i dunno
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Also as far as SoJ goes I know that it's extremely well-regarded and I def will say there were a lot of impressive elements of it but for whatever reason it didn't really 'click' with me
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I'm in the minority in that I really liked AA2. Honestly thought the circus case was better than both of T&T's fillers and 2-4 has one of the greatest twists I've seen ever. Also just incredibly tense throughout with action happening in real time Gumshoes trying to catch de killer and crashing the car
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Conflict posted...

Both Rise from the Ashes and T&T's last case are better than AA2's

Nah. 2-4 is the best in the series and was until DD-DLC and arguably it's still better than that case even.
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Orca case is gr8, just finished my DD replay with that recently

I'm the one person in the world who finds Bobby Fulbright highly amusing
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Just finished replaying Case 1 of AJ:AA. I enjoyed myself.

iirc, aren't there important things about Kristoph that remain a mystery?
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DaveTheUseless posted...

Just finished replaying Case 1 of AJ:AA. I enjoyed myself.

iirc, aren't there important things about Kristoph that remain a mystery?

There's a super deep rabbit hole you go down in case 5 regarding Kristoph
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Spirit of Justice is garbage
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You really should play Miles Edgeworths second game. Its easily the best in the franchise

Doe posted...

Spirit of Justice is garbage

Apollo schooling Phoenix in court really bothered me tbh
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DaveTheUseless posted...

Doe posted...

Spirit of Justice is garbage

Apollo schooling Phoenix in court really bothered me tbh

Nah. Phoenix was wrong and he knew he was wrong. He was trying to argue a fundamentally wrong premise based on lies and the truth won. It's just anime junk, but he violated the #1 series rule, believe in your client.
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that's kool
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SoJ has Armie Buff, therefore it's the best.

Tyranthraxus posted...

DaveTheUseless posted...

Doe posted...

Spirit of Justice is garbage

Apollo schooling Phoenix in court really bothered me tbh

Nah. Phoenix was wrong and he knew he was wrong. He was trying to argue a fundamentally wrong premise based on lies and the truth won. It's just anime junk, but he violated the #1 series rule, believe in your client.

The problem is that the whole trial is particularly contrived in order to make something cool happen, and later the writers try to use this to showcase Apollo's strength despite the trial being based on lies and blackmail and Phoenix stepping down before it finished

But that's just one smaller way 6-5 is ass, the whole thing revolving around Dhurke who is a terrible person is the real issue
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Doe posted...

But that's just one smaller way 6-5 is ass, the whole thing revolving around Dhurke who is a terrible person is the real issue

I like Dhurke, but I can kinda see your point. However...

JE19426 posted...

Armie Buff

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* magic panties *
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DaveTheUseless posted...

* magic panties *

That shit made me really uncomfortable
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There's a lot of... very inappropriate dialog in AJ Case 2. I forgot that it was quite this unsettling.
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DaveTheUseless posted...

There's a lot of... very inappropriate dialog in AJ Case 2. I forgot that it was quite this unsettling.

I'm not sure how you didn't already notice that in DD. The magic panties thing was way more gratuitous there. At least in AJ there's some relevance since it was meant to set her up as kooky and the bloomers themselves play a part as evidence. It's completely meaningless in DD and they milk it several times to boot.
iirc SoJ got rid of that thankfully except for maybe one or two one off jokes.
Though maybe you playing it in reverse has something to do with it lol
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GiftedACIII posted...

DaveTheUseless posted...

There's a lot of... very inappropriate dialog in AJ Case 2. I forgot that it was quite this unsettling.

I'm not sure how you didn't already notice that in DD. The magic panties thing was way more gratuitous there. At least in AJ there's some relevance since it was meant to set her up as kooky and the bloomers themselves play a part as evidence. It's completely meaningless in DD and they milk it several times to boot.
iirc SoJ got rid of that thankfully except for maybe one or two one off jokes.
Though maybe you playing it in reverse has something to do with it lol

I'm talking more about the way Hickfield hits on her tbh
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Well in that case that dude is already established creepazoid from earlier games
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Man, I love the cheesy tune that plays when Apollo scores a point in court. Classic Capcom
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DaveTheUseless posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

DaveTheUseless posted...

There's a lot of... very inappropriate dialog in AJ Case 2. I forgot that it was quite this unsettling.

I'm not sure how you didn't already notice that in DD. The magic panties thing was way more gratuitous there. At least in AJ there's some relevance since it was meant to set her up as kooky and the bloomers themselves play a part as evidence. It's completely meaningless in DD and they milk it several times to boot.
iirc SoJ got rid of that thankfully except for maybe one or two one off jokes.
Though maybe you playing it in reverse has something to do with it lol

I'm talking more about the way Hickfield hits on her tbh

oh lmao I guess I just blocked him out of my memory. Now that you mention it I think he showed up in one of the AAI games too. Why make him one of the most recurring characters when there's so many good ones that haven't made another appearance?
DaveTheUseless posted...

Man, I love the cheesy tune that plays when Apollo scores a point in court. Classic Capcom

I think apollo's objection is by far the best Objection. One of the best pursuits too. Too bad it's hindered by the absolute worst cross examination and confess the truth, both of which play more than in other games too.
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Conflict posted...

Rise from the Ashes had the best villain in the whole franchise

Nah. Rise From the ashes is garbage.

It was full of pixelbitching and stupid ass shit like

"Do you have proof?"
"Yup"
"AHAHA THAT PROOF INCRIMINATES YOU" (game over)

(load)

"Do you have proof?"
"No"
"Sure?"
"Yep"
"HAHA YOU HAVE NO PROOF" (game over)
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GiftedACIII posted...

s hindered by the absolute worst confess the truth,

How fucking DARE you
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2-4 is good because its plain good

It's a wild ride of quality writing and interesting twists

1-5 I really like but it has pacing issues
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Conflict posted...

Uh you definitely weren't following why it was organized like that then. Gant had not yet admitted to cutting out the cloth when you were first prompted to present it. The only person tied to that cloth was Ema.

Gant was a mesmerizing villain engaging in both a callous murder of one of his associates (and Jake's brother), while blackmailing both the Lana sisters and forging evidence to get a false death penalty on Darke all for his own personal benefit and advancement. Then killing Goodman for daring to even get close to it. I honestly can't say I gave a mild shit about 2-4's villain more than "his sudden revelation and change in music was interesting and different from what you're used to"

Nah. It's plain stupid. The evidence was stolen out of a safe that only Gant had the combination to. That's all Phoenix needed to tie the evidence to Gant. He didn't need Gant to admit he cut it out. It was either cut out by him or by an accomplice of his who helped him destroy / forge evidence.
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Conflict posted...

2-4 was... different.

That's literally it.

2-4 had the return of a major character from the last game playing a major role in the final case and also had a constant sense of tension the whole case due to De Killer being by far the most competent and frightening murderer in the series and giving the impression that Maya along with any officers trying to rescue her were in real danger. 3-5 did those elements as well, however Franziska's role was just not as impactful as Edgeworth's was in 2-4 and Maya being in the locked cave (while it does still have it) didn't have the same sense of dread that her being held hostage by De Killer did.
That plus the whole Phoenix having to knowingly try to frame a flawed but innocent of murder woman (who herself was a pretty complex character) in order to stall just makes it one of it not the most unique case in the series.
1-5 does have gant, one of the best villains in the series but it's pretty formulaic otherwise and the other characters besides Lana aren't as interesting to me. I still rank it really high due to being one of the few big cases in the trilogy to not need Mia to bail out Phoenix but it's just not as memorable as 2-4 imo

Doe posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

s hindered by the absolute worst confess the truth,

How fucking DARE you

It's repetitive with an irritating melody. It's also really short and it seems like it's going to build up to something like all the other ATTs but it doesn't so it doesn't get salvaged by a nice climax and is stuck with a horrible repetitive melody. I wouldn't hesitate to just call it pure trash, one of the worst parts of AJ. Even worse than the dumb 2-3 tiny "blind" kid killed a giant man with a huge recoil gun logic
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Nah. It's plain stupid. The evidence was stolen out of a safe that only Gant had the combination to. That's all Phoenix needed to tie the evidence to Gant. He didn't need Gant to admit he cut it out. It was either cut out by him or by an accomplice of his who helped him destroy / forge evidence.

Or he could lie and say it was never in his safe, you can't prove it was.

They're both good cases guys but 2-4 is tighter
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Doe posted...

They're both good cases guys but 2-4 is tighter

You dont even get complete justice . Not as bad as 4-4

I remember feeling strange about Gavin the Butt Rock Prosecutor the first time I played AJ:AA, but he does provide an interesting contrast in comparison to your typical series prosecutor
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