Current Events > Nick Cannon stands up for Kevin Hart posts homophobic tweets by other comedians.

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rikasa posted...

he married mariah carey when she was already fat and 10 yrs older than him

b e t a _ m a l e

Lmao, imagine thinking this
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rikasa posted...

Flockaveli posted...

rikasa posted...

What makes you think he's changed?

The fact that one person had to go back 8 years in his tweets to find that in the first place.

God, this is so irrational I could write an essay. 8 years isn't a long time and he doesn't think it's something to apologize over. So there's just nothing you can say this isn't obviously "I'm rewriting reality to confirm the biases that are important to me."

It's better to just say, why is this OK in his culture? What are they afraid of losing if they stop hating gays? What's so wrong with life with a gay son? I do actually think it's possible to be a decent person even if you have a past filled with racism or bigotry but not if you can never admit it.

What the fuck is wrong with culture... as we have seen the people that Nick pointed out said worst things than heart.
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God_Of_Entirety posted...

blame religion

and they don't want other minorities jumping on to their progress I guess
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cjsdowg posted...

the people that Nick pointed out said worst things than heart.

I know this is complicated and I know that you're being manipulated by people who are taking advantage of the fact that it's hard to grasp the difference here. I'm going to be nice and explain it very simply.

Using slurs, gay slurs or racial slurs, is not good. I don't condone it. But sometimes people use these words as an expletive and aren't specifically saying they hate black people, or they hate women, or they hate gays when they use them as an expletive. The "white women tweets" in the article are exactly this. Most of us on this website have used these words a lot and in the same way. Yes, SJW's want you to stop calling things gay as a pejorative. They are not trying to ruin your life over it.

Kevin Hart's tweets aren't slurs. They're not jokes. He specifically said he'd hurt his son if he was gay. It's not a joke and it's not just a bad tone or bad word choice. He dislikes gay people more than he loves his own son.
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rikasa posted...

cjsdowg posted...

the people that Nick pointed out said worst things than heart.

I know this is complicated and I know that you're being manipulated by people who are taking advantage of the fact that it's hard to grasp the difference here. I'm going to be nice and explain it very simply.

Using slurs, gay slurs or racial slurs, is not good. I don't condone it. But sometimes people use these words as an expletive and aren't specifically saying they hate black people, or they hate women, or they hate gays when they use them as an expletive. The "white women tweets" in the article are exactly this. Most of us on this website have used these words a lot and in the same way. Yes, SJW's want you to stop calling things gay as a pejorative. They are not trying to ruin your life over it.

Kevin Hart's tweets aren't slurs. They're not jokes. He specifically said he'd hurt his son if he was gay. It's not a joke and it's not just a bad tone or bad word choice. He dislikes gay people more than he loves his own son.

Fuck that shit, look at the mental gymnastics, but yeah deep up your double standards .And stop using slurs while you are at it.
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Props to Nick Cannon. He uncovered what this was really about: taking down a successful Black man.
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AmericaTheBrave posted...

Props to Nick Cannon. He uncovered what this was really about: taking down a successful Black man.

Baseball player got all types of shit from past tweets. White guy too.

But white people like Jimmy Kimmel can do black face and be all kinds of sexist with no issues. It's a crazy world.
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WhinyZach posted...

If they just wanted to take down a successful black man, they could have went after a plethora of rappers. Snoop, nas, jayz, etc

nope cause hiphop is in a bubble.
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DarkTransient posted...

rikasa posted...

what's with black guys being openly homophobic anyway

The whole social justice warrior thing is very much a white people movement.

So if you're not homophobic, then you're SJW ?

Kevin Hart is not sorry for the homophobic things he said, he has refused to apologize for them. This is him reaping the consequences. Nobody who says that shit unapologetically should be hosting the oscars. The show will be better without him. If you are butthurt about him being dropped, I think you'll get over it.
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Hart is a black man
Silverman, Schumer, and Handler are all Jewish women

you do the math
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Wetterdew posted...

Kevin Hart is not sorry for the homophobic things he said, he has refused to apologize for them. This is him reaping the consequences. Nobody who says that shit unapologetically should be hosting the oscars. The show will be better without him. If you are butthurt about him being dropped, I think you'll get over it.

Try reading and understanding what he actually said there before commenting next time.
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Kind of tone deaf to be honest.

I don't like sarah silverman or amy schumer at all, and I very much like Kevin Hart. But their tweets strike me as little more than edgy "I'm down with the gays" chat. Like how queer folk often use the f-word to each other with endearment. Kevin hart literally said he wouldn't want his son to be gay.

This is the difference between someone crudely saying the n-word (with a soft a at the end) over someone saying they would not allow their daughter to date a black man. Entirely different levels.

The bigger takeaway though is that he already changed his mind and his outlook years ago so what's the fucking problem, honestly
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Vyrulisse posted...

Wetterdew posted...

Kevin Hart is not sorry for the homophobic things he said, he has refused to apologize for them. This is him reaping the consequences. Nobody who says that shit unapologetically should be hosting the oscars. The show will be better without him. If you are butthurt about him being dropped, I think you'll get over it.

Try reading and understanding what he actually said there before commenting next time.

He whined about getting called out. When people criticized his behavior, Kevin Hart acted like an immature child and ironically retorted with "well you're just ignorant"
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WhinyZach posted...

Flockaveli posted...

Social commentary changes all the time and I dont think comments that were made close to 10 years ago are something we should be so quick to prosecute others for. Just acknowledge that the person being offensive has changed, just like our values have, and move on.

I don't disagree with you, but even 10 years ago using that word for gays was a bad look.

You must not listen to rap
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pinky0926 posted...

Kind of tone deaf to be honest.

I don't like sarah silverman or amy schumer at all, and I very much like Kevin Hart. But their tweets strike me as little more than edgy "I'm down with the gays" chat. Like how queer folk often use the f-word to each other with endearment. Kevin hart literally said he wouldn't want his son to be gay.

This is the difference between someone crudely saying the n-word (with a soft a at the end) over someone saying they would not allow their daughter to date a black man. Entirely different levels.

The bigger takeaway though is that he already changed his mind and his outlook years ago so what's the fucking problem, honestly

Hold on, is the word f** a slur or is it not?
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I don't care much for Nick Cannon's standup but I love that he's doing this.

I wish every comedian would come together and tweet the most offensive things they can and none of them should remark on whether they meant what they said or not. Leave that shit up in the air and shrug when asked about it later.

_MorningStar posted...

Hold on, is the word f** a slur or is it not?

It's a slur, but much like the n-word it has been reclaimed by its target community as a cameraderie thing.

So people like Sarah Silverman saying it...well it's borderline. Maybe she shouldn't have. But spot the difference: She is an ally to the queer community and placing herself among them, Kevin Hart is (with these comments) trying to actively make life worse for gays.

I know that's not his position now but that's how the comments line up.
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Different rules for different people.... cute.

SaithSayer posted...

Different rules for different people.... cute.

Someone calling you something because they are also that something and wish to show solidarity, versus someone calling you something because they hate you and reject what you are on a fundamental level...you understand the difference yes?
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pinky0926 posted...

It's a slur, but much like the n-word it has been reclaimed by its target community as a cameraderie thing.

Being an ally to African Americans does not allow one to say it, so I don't see what this has to do with anything.

Gays saying it is fine. But as a straight person, you shouldn't be allowed a "pass" just because you are an ally. The word is still offensive. Or it isn't. This cherry picking so that you can have it both ways is what bothers me. I have no qualms with what happened to Kevin, if it means being fair across the board. Or dont do it at all it makes you a hypocrite.
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pinky0926 posted...

SaithSayer posted...

Different rules for different people.... cute.

Someone calling you something because they are also that something and wish to show solidarity, versus someone calling you something because they hate you and reject what you are on a fundamental level...you understand the difference yes?

Replace go where with say what.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOeKidp-iWo" data-time="&start=91

_MorningStar posted...

pinky0926 posted...

It's a slur, but much like the n-word it has been reclaimed by its target community as a cameraderie thing.

Being an ally to African Americans does not allow one to say it, so I don't see what this has to do with anything.

Gays saying it is fine. But as a straight person, you shouldn't be lower a "pass" just because you are an ally. The word is still offensive. Or it isn't. This cherry picking so that you can have it both ways is what bothers me. I have no qualms with what happened to Kevin, if it means being fair across the board. Or dont do it at all it makes you a hypocrite.

That's why I said it's borderline. I think it's up to the affected community to decide if someone gets a pass for saying it.

Maybe those women shouldn't say it at all, but it's obvious regardless of that point that they meant no harm. Kevin Hart meant actual harm, there's a very fundamental difference in that.

Let's also be clear about the other point: a comedian saying a word during what is effectively a bit should always get a pass. When Louis CK said the n-word the black community didn't slay him for it, they applauded him for it. Why? Because context matters, and it was understood he was sticking up for black people and pointing out his own hypocrisy in doing so. It was ironic, and it was funny, and it was in good taste.

This isn't Kevin hart making jokes. This is him literally saying that gay people are less than straight people. It's an awful thing to say, far worse than any word.

So no I'm not saying they should say the f-word, just pointing out it's not even on the same level of harmful. You simply can't draw a parallel between these things.
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I had a gut feeling that the way society acts these days means that a massive chunk of humor is at risk and on its way out the door.

These aren't politicians saying these things. Get off your soapboxes.

SaithSayer posted...

I had a gut feeling that the way society acts these days means that a massive chunk of humor is at risk and on its way out the door.

These aren't politicians saying these things. Get off your soapboxes.

What joke are we talking about here? There's no humour in what Kevin Hart said. It wasn't a comedy set or a bit. It was a blank-faced interview in which he honestly admitted his own prejudice about something. Don't hand-wave this away as shit comedians say.

Don't get me wrong (and I'll repeat what I said earlier), I think it's fine since he changed his mind about the whole thing a long time ago and we don't need to keep stringing him up over it, but don't give me that "you liberals have no sense of humour" nonsense.
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yeah the fact this is constantly being phrased as being about tweets is weird and perhaps intentional

Although the actual tweets in question were weird and not funny either
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someone else doing the same shit doesnt erase personal accountability lmfao

also context matters tbqh
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pinky0926 posted...

SaithSayer posted...

I had a gut feeling that the way society acts these days means that a massive chunk of humor is at risk and on its way out the door.

These aren't politicians saying these things. Get off your soapboxes.

What joke are we talking about here? There's no humour in what Kevin Hart said. It wasn't a comedy set or a bit. It was a blank-faced interview in which he honestly admitted his own prejudice about something. Don't hand-wave this away as shit comedians say.

Hardly matters at all. He's an entertainer. He isn't making laws.

"We can't let the funny person make us laugh anymore. He/she doesn't think what we want. No more music from that singer for us because he said a thing I don't like. I can't enjoy that person's movies anymore because of their opinions."

There are 7 billion people. The only opinions anyone should realistically give a shit about are from those who make the rules and those close to them. Hear/watch/read the media they put out or don't. Flipping out over something anyone said that DOESN'T fit those criteria is just stupid.

SaithSayer posted...

Hardly matters at all. He's an entertainer. He isn't making laws.

"We can't let the funny person make us laugh anymore. He/she doesn't think what we want. No more music from that singer for us because he said a thing I don't like. I can't enjoy that person's movies anymore because of their opinions."

There are 7 billion people. The only opinions anyone should realistically give a shit about are from those who make the rules and those close to them. Hear/watch/read the media they put out or don't. Flipping out over something anyone said that DOESN'T fit those criteria is just stupid.

What strawman nonsense is this

People aren't saying Kevin Hart can't be allowed to do things anymore. They're saying they want him to publically retract a previous statement he made on a public platform. He's allowed to keep saying those things, moreover. It just would probably mean people want to see his face on TV anymore. Free market and all that, right?

Don't act like boycotting an entertainer over controversy is a concept millennials invented. You can read stories about this happening to Beethoven ffs.
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SaithSayer posted...

"We can't let the funny person make us laugh anymore. He/she doesn't think what we want. No more music from that singer for us because he said a thing I don't like. I can't enjoy that person's movies anymore because of their opinions."

Are you purposely missing the point?

This wasn't said in a comedy skit but him simply telling his feelings on something and outright admitting he was homophobic.
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pinky0926 posted...

SaithSayer posted...

Hardly matters at all. He's an entertainer. He isn't making laws.

"We can't let the funny person make us laugh anymore. He/she doesn't think what we want. No more music from that singer for us because he said a thing I don't like. I can't enjoy that person's movies anymore because of their opinions."

There are 7 billion people. The only opinions anyone should realistically give a shit about are from those who make the rules and those close to them. Hear/watch/read the media they put out or don't. Flipping out over something anyone said that DOESN'T fit those criteria is just stupid.

What strawman nonsense is this

People aren't saying Kevin Hart can't be allowed to do things anymore. They're saying they want him to publically retract a previous statement he made on a public platform. He's allowed to keep saying those things, moreover. It just would probably mean people want to see his face on TV anymore. Free market and all that, right?

Don't act like boycotting an entertainer over controversy is a concept millennials invented. You can read stories about this happening to Beethoven ffs.

It was as stupid then as it is now.

Asking for someone to publicly retract a statement is the equivalent of a kid on the playground shouting "TAKE IT BACK!" and even if they do, it isn't genuine and everyone knows it. It's attempting to force someone to say something they don't believe as a power play.

Funkydog posted...

SaithSayer posted...

"We can't let the funny person make us laugh anymore. He/she doesn't think what we want. No more music from that singer for us because he said a thing I don't like. I can't enjoy that person's movies anymore because of their opinions."

Are you purposely missing the point?

This wasn't said in a comedy skit but him simply telling his feelings on something and outright admitting he was homophobic.

So shrug him off as not worth your time and don't watch his standup or movies if it matters so much to you. It doesn't matter what he thinks about the subject.

SaithSayer posted...

It was as stupid then as it is now.

Asking for someone to publicly retract a statement is the equivalent of a kid on the playground shouting "TAKE IT BACK!" and even if they do, it isn't genuine and everyone knows it. It's attempting to force someone to say something they don't believe as a power play.

I'm sure you also learned in the playground that you're actually responsible for the things you say and sometimes they have consequences. If you say something into a loudspeaker so that more people can hear it the consequences might be more severe than if you whispered it to your best bud in private.

I don't know what's hard to grasp here. Kevin Hart didn't break any laws with what he said and he won't be arrested, people are just expressing their opinion on the guy and what he said to them. You're not against people having their own opinions about celebrities, right?
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I do mock people for watching E and reading magazines and sites that follow the personal lives of celebrities.

Just watch the movies, listen to the songs, play the games, etc...

You know how Miyamoto feels about child abuse? I don't and I'm fine with that.

I stand with him too.

He already apologized before

Which is fine, but can you see why someone might not want to actively financially support someone who has disgusting views or does unethical things, or both?
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All Kevin Hart had to do was apologize. It's mind boggling he apologized right after deciding not to host.
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the best apologies come with changed behavior. if he changes his behavior, please forgive him. if you cannot, that's your problem. I won't go at somebody actively changing the way they move for the better.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

All Kevin Hart had to do was apologize. It's mind boggling he apologized right after deciding not to host.

My guess is he never wanted to apologise at all because he felt henpecked, but was pressured from the powers that be in hollywood to do so.
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pinky0926 posted...

Which is fine, but can you see why someone might not want to actively financially support someone who has disgusting views or does unethical things, or both?

I love Elvis also and he was fucked up. Priscilla Presley was 14 when she moved in with him and he married her at 16. No way would I ever fuck an underage girl. No way would I stop listening to his music because he did.

SaithSayer posted...

So shrug him off as not worth your time and don't watch his standup or movies if it matters so much to you. It doesn't matter what he thinks about the subject.

I never liked him to begin with tbh so don't watch him to begin with. Just saying why people are upset about his homophobia.
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SaithSayer posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Which is fine, but can you see why someone might not want to actively financially support someone who has disgusting views or does unethical things, or both?

I love Elvis also and he was fucked up. Priscilla Presley was 14 when she moved in with him and he married her at 16. No way would I ever fuck an underage girl. No way would I stop listening to his music because he did.

Elvis is dead so you can't financially support him.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

SaithSayer posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Which is fine, but can you see why someone might not want to actively financially support someone who has disgusting views or does unethical things, or both?

I love Elvis also and he was fucked up. Priscilla Presley was 14 when she moved in with him and he married her at 16. No way would I ever fuck an underage girl. No way would I stop listening to his music because he did.

Elvis is dead so you can't financially support him.

If he wasn't, I still would. I'll keep watching Woody Allen movies.

SaithSayer posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

SaithSayer posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Which is fine, but can you see why someone might not want to actively financially support someone who has disgusting views or does unethical things, or both?

I love Elvis also and he was fucked up. Priscilla Presley was 14 when she moved in with him and he married her at 16. No way would I ever fuck an underage girl. No way would I stop listening to his music because he did.

Elvis is dead so you can't financially support him.

If he wasn't, I still would. I'll keep watching Woody Allen movies.

Yep, living up to your tag.
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A good movie is a good movie. Same goes for songs, comedy, games and food.

You won't see me avoiding a restaurant that makes food I enjoy because of an opinion someone has.

That doesn't mean you like whatever thing they said or did.

It actually is true that in America the extremists (hardcore progressives and conservatives) are basically just upper-middle class white people: https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/the-rich-white-civil-war/

The full report:
https://www.moreincommon.com/hidden-tribes/

What's interesting from the demographics is not only are progressive activists the second whitest group behind only the far right, but that most minorities actively disagree with many of the goals these activists claim to be supporting for the sake of minorities.
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ssjevot posted...

It actually is true that in America the extremists (hardcore progressives and conservatives) are basically just upper-middle class white people: https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/the-rich-white-civil-war/

The full report:
https://www.moreincommon.com/hidden-tribes/

What's interesting from the demographics is not only are progressive activists the second whitest group behind only the far right, but that most minorities actively disagree with many of the goals these activists claim to be supporting for the sake of minorities.

LGBT people are a part of all races.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

LGBT people are a part of all races.

I have no idea what that has to do with what I just posted.
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