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COVxy 12/10/18 5:25:55 PM #101:	YookaLaylee posted... K. So tell me what I should know That there's sufficiently strong causal evidence (in nonhuman animals) and correlational evidence (in humans) to suggest biological mechanisms of sexual dimorphism in the brain, how it's organized early in development where it is easily perturbed and relatively stable thereafter. In other words, there's a very strong biological basis for literally having a brain like the opposite sex, while no such basis exists for identification as a sith lord or an animal or an inanimate object. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:913899558] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>K. So tell me what I should know</quote> That there's sufficiently strong causal evidence (in nonhuman animals) and correlational evidence (in humans) to suggest biological mechanisms of sexual dimorphism in the brain, how it's organized early in development where it is easily perturbed and relatively stable thereafter. In other words, there's a very strong biological basis for literally having a brain like the opposite sex, while no such basis exists for identification as a sith lord or an animal or an inanimate object.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 12/10/18 5:26:46 PM #102:	YookaLaylee posted... mario2000 posted... YookaLaylee posted... But he didn?t feel comfortable doing that. too bad What makes the kid?s feelings more valuable than the teacher?s? the fact that the kid is a kid and the teacher is an adult What if a student demands that everyone refer to him as Darth Vader? Should a teacher be fired for not doing what makes the kid feel comfortable? what if you stopped making up stupid hypotheticals as a way to weasel out of treating transpeople with respect? If I ever met a trans person, I?d refer to them by the gender they wanted me to. But I understand where the teacher in the story is coming from I would be able to understand if the teacher, when confronted, said something to the effect of "it was an accident. I've known the student as 'she' for a while. I misspoke and I didn't mean to. I'm still adjusting to the change and the wrong word slipped out. I apologize." --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:913899607] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>But he didn?t feel comfortable doing that. </quote> too bad <quote>What makes the kid?s feelings more valuable than the teacher?s? </quote> the fact that the kid is a kid and the teacher is an adult <quote>What if a student demands that everyone refer to him as Darth Vader? Should a teacher be fired for not doing what makes the kid feel comfortable?</quote> what if you stopped making up stupid hypotheticals as a way to weasel out of treating transpeople with respect?</quote> If I ever met a trans person, I?d refer to them by the gender they wanted me to. But I understand where the teacher in the story is coming from</quote> I would be able to understand if the teacher, when confronted, said something to the effect of "it was an accident. I've known the student as 'she' for a while. I misspoke and I didn't mean to. I'm still adjusting to the change and the wrong word slipped out. I apologize."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 12/10/18 5:31:57 PM #103:	YookaLaylee posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... YookaLaylee posted... Bad_Mojo posted... YookaLaylee posted... Bad_Mojo posted... No, teacher was fired for being a jerk. Name, gender, whatever, just call people what they want to be called. I like the shorter version of my name and it bugs me when people go out of their wat to call me by the one I don?t like. Fuck that teacher He was willing to compromise and just refer to the kid by their name, but the school refused No compromise needed. Just address people how they feel comfortable But he didn?t feel comfortable doing that. What makes the kid?s feelings more valuable than the teacher?s? What if a student demands that everyone refer to him as Darth Vader? Should a teacher be fired for not doing what makes the kid feel comfortable? Imagine thinking such a stupid fucking comparison is in any way valid. I mean, if you?re born with a vagina and you have a vagina, it?s pretty silly for you to ask me to call you a man. I?d comply with what you wanted, but it?s equally silly as asking me to pretend you?re a sith lord. Because the motivation behind the request would exactly the same right? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:913899903] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bad_Mojo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bad_Mojo posted...</cite> <quote>No, teacher was fired for being a jerk. Name, gender, whatever, just call people what they want to be called. I like the shorter version of my name and it bugs me when people go out of their wat to call me by the one I don?t like. Fuck that teacher</quote> He was willing to compromise and just refer to the kid by their name, but the school refused</quote> No compromise needed. Just address people how they feel comfortable</quote> But he didn?t feel comfortable doing that. What makes the kid?s feelings more valuable than the teacher?s? What if a student demands that everyone refer to him as Darth Vader? Should a teacher be fired for not doing what makes the kid feel comfortable?</quote> Imagine thinking such a stupid fucking comparison is in any way valid.</quote> I mean, if you?re born with a vagina and you have a vagina, it?s pretty silly for you to ask me to call you a man. I?d comply with what you wanted, but it?s equally silly as asking me to pretend you?re a sith lord.</quote> Because the motivation behind the request would exactly the same right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 12/10/18 5:32:17 PM #104:	Honestly I think transgender people should be allowed the decency of going by the pronouns they choose. Where it gets goofy is when they go by "Xim" and "Xer" and whatever. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:913899922] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote>Honestly I think transgender people should be allowed the decency of going by the pronouns they choose. Where it gets goofy is when they go by "Xim" and "Xer" and whatever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 12/10/18 5:33:33 PM #105:	mario2000 posted... "if we let the gays get married then we'll have to let people and animals get married!" "if we let women and minorities vote then we'll have to let non-citizens vote" "if we call people by their preferred pronouns then we'll have to call them darth vader!" ffs when have any of these hysterical slippery slopes ever actually came true? A beach is a more slippery slope than all that garbage lmao. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:913899984] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>"if we let the gays get married then we'll have to let people and animals get married!" "if we let women and minorities vote then we'll have to let non-citizens vote" "if we call people by their preferred pronouns then we'll have to call them darth vader!" ffs when have any of these hysterical slippery slopes ever actually came true?</quote> A beach is a more slippery slope than all that garbage lmao.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 12/10/18 5:34:05 PM #106:	COVxy posted... YookaLaylee posted... I mean, if you?re born with a vagina and you have a vagina, it?s pretty silly for you to ask me to call you a man. I?d comply with what you wanted, but it?s equally silly as asking me to pretend you?re a sith lord. It's equally silly if you are completely ignorant on the issue, yes. It's pretty clear people have no idea what they are talking about when they make comparisons like this. Exactly --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:913900011] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, if you?re born with a vagina and you have a vagina, it?s pretty silly for you to ask me to call you a man. I?d comply with what you wanted, but it?s equally silly as asking me to pretend you?re a sith lord. </quote> It's equally silly if you are completely ignorant on the issue, yes. It's pretty clear people have no idea what they are talking about when they make comparisons like this.</quote> Exactly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 12/10/18 5:40:22 PM #107:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... YookaLaylee posted... mario2000 posted... YookaLaylee posted... But he didn?t feel comfortable doing that. too bad What makes the kid?s feelings more valuable than the teacher?s? the fact that the kid is a kid and the teacher is an adult What if a student demands that everyone refer to him as Darth Vader? Should a teacher be fired for not doing what makes the kid feel comfortable? what if you stopped making up stupid hypotheticals as a way to weasel out of treating transpeople with respect? If I ever met a trans person, I?d refer to them by the gender they wanted me to. But I understand where the teacher in the story is coming from I would be able to understand if the teacher, when confronted, said something to the effect of "it was an accident. I've known the student as 'she' for a while. I misspoke and I didn't mean to. I'm still adjusting to the change and the wrong word slipped out. I apologize." Yeah, that obviously wouldve been better lol --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsuNHaqCPgziZYA/giphy.gif <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:913900322] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>But he didn?t feel comfortable doing that. </quote> too bad <quote>What makes the kid?s feelings more valuable than the teacher?s? </quote> the fact that the kid is a kid and the teacher is an adult <quote>What if a student demands that everyone refer to him as Darth Vader? Should a teacher be fired for not doing what makes the kid feel comfortable?</quote> what if you stopped making up stupid hypotheticals as a way to weasel out of treating transpeople with respect?</quote> If I ever met a trans person, I?d refer to them by the gender they wanted me to. But I understand where the teacher in the story is coming from</quote> I would be able to understand if the teacher, when confronted, said something to the effect of "it was an accident. I've known the student as 'she' for a while. I misspoke and I didn't mean to. I'm still adjusting to the change and the wrong word slipped out. I apologize."</quote> Yeah, that obviously wouldve been better lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 12/10/18 5:40:28 PM #108:	YookaLaylee posted... K. So tell me what I should know That there's sufficiently strong causal evidence (in nonhuman animals) and correlational evidence (in humans) to suggest biological mechanisms of sexual dimorphism in the brain, how it's organized early in development where it is easily perturbed and relatively stable thereafter. In other words, there's a very strong biological basis for literally having a brain like the opposite sex, while no such basis exists for identification as a sith lord or an animal or an inanimate object. Thanks for the info --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsuNHaqCPgziZYA/giphy.gif <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:913900328] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote><quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>K. So tell me what I should know</quote> That there's sufficiently strong causal evidence (in nonhuman animals) and correlational evidence (in humans) to suggest biological mechanisms of sexual dimorphism in the brain, how it's organized early in development where it is easily perturbed and relatively stable thereafter. In other words, there's a very strong biological basis for literally having a brain like the opposite sex, while no such basis exists for identification as a sith lord or an animal or an inanimate object.</quote> Thanks for the info</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 12/10/18 5:41:47 PM #109:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... YookaLaylee posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... YookaLaylee posted... Bad_Mojo posted... YookaLaylee posted... Bad_Mojo posted... No, teacher was fired for being a jerk. Name, gender, whatever, just call people what they want to be called. I like the shorter version of my name and it bugs me when people go out of their wat to call me by the one I don?t like. Fuck that teacher He was willing to compromise and just refer to the kid by their name, but the school refused No compromise needed. Just address people how they feel comfortable But he didn?t feel comfortable doing that. What makes the kid?s feelings more valuable than the teacher?s? What if a student demands that everyone refer to him as Darth Vader? Should a teacher be fired for not doing what makes the kid feel comfortable? Imagine thinking such a stupid fucking comparison is in any way valid. I mean, if you?re born with a vagina and you have a vagina, it?s pretty silly for you to ask me to call you a man. I?d comply with what you wanted, but it?s equally silly as asking me to pretend you?re a sith lord. Because the motivation behind the request would exactly the same right? Sort of. The trans person genuinely believes that theyre another gender even though their physical body says otherwise. The kid wanting to be called that has a mental illness and genuinely thinks hes a sith. Its a similar situation --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsuNHaqCPgziZYA/giphy.gif <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:913900396] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bad_Mojo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bad_Mojo posted...</cite> <quote>No, teacher was fired for being a jerk. Name, gender, whatever, just call people what they want to be called. I like the shorter version of my name and it bugs me when people go out of their wat to call me by the one I don?t like. Fuck that teacher</quote> He was willing to compromise and just refer to the kid by their name, but the school refused</quote> No compromise needed. Just address people how they feel comfortable</quote> But he didn?t feel comfortable doing that. What makes the kid?s feelings more valuable than the teacher?s? What if a student demands that everyone refer to him as Darth Vader? Should a teacher be fired for not doing what makes the kid feel comfortable?</quote> Imagine thinking such a stupid fucking comparison is in any way valid.</quote> I mean, if you?re born with a vagina and you have a vagina, it?s pretty silly for you to ask me to call you a man. I?d comply with what you wanted, but it?s equally silly as asking me to pretend you?re a sith lord.</quote> Because the motivation behind the request would exactly the same right?</quote> Sort of. The trans person genuinely believes that theyre another gender even though their physical body says otherwise. The kid wanting to be called that has a mental illness and genuinely thinks hes a sith. Its a similar situation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bruce_Somali 12/10/18 5:42:13 PM #110:	A_Good_Boy posted... P4wn4g3 posted... A_Good_Boy posted... andel posted... ehh it would be fair if the teacher was maliciously referring to him as 'her' but it sounds like he tried to make some accommodations and the fact it wasnt an actual policy may give him some claim That "compromise" singles out the student, and he was misgendering him behind his back anyways. I'm not sure what recourse he's supposed to have for continuously ignoring guidelines flagrantly in front of other staff. The school has no business "gendering" someone in the first place. This is an obvious violation of the first amendment. Who's 1st amendment right? The students right to express herself? Yeah, I'd saying the government employee going out of his way to shit on the 1st amendment rights of this student is pretty scummy. He should be fired. Oh wait... Crazy, I thought school was for, yknow, learning and shit, not "expressing" yourself. When I was in school, students "expressing themselves" were rightly labeled a distraction and dealt with accordingly. --- Look at me. I'm the Dragon now. <cite>Bruce_Somali posted [p:913900429] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote> ehh it would be fair if the teacher was maliciously referring to him as 'her' but it sounds like he tried to make some accommodations and the fact it wasnt an actual policy may give him some claim </quote> That "compromise" singles out the student, and he was misgendering him behind his back anyways. I'm not sure what recourse he's supposed to have for continuously ignoring guidelines flagrantly in front of other staff.</quote> The school has no business "gendering" someone in the first place. This is an obvious violation of the first amendment.</quote> Who's 1st amendment right? The students right to express herself? Yeah, I'd saying the government employee going out of his way to shit on the 1st amendment rights of this student is pretty scummy. He should be fired. Oh wait...</quote> Crazy, I thought school was for, yknow, learning and shit, not "expressing" yourself. When I was in school, students "expressing themselves" were rightly labeled a distraction and dealt with accordingly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 12/10/18 5:45:38 PM #111:	Bruce_Somali posted... A_Good_Boy posted... P4wn4g3 posted... A_Good_Boy posted... andel posted... ehh it would be fair if the teacher was maliciously referring to him as 'her' but it sounds like he tried to make some accommodations and the fact it wasnt an actual policy may give him some claim That "compromise" singles out the student, and he was misgendering him behind his back anyways. I'm not sure what recourse he's supposed to have for continuously ignoring guidelines flagrantly in front of other staff. The school has no business "gendering" someone in the first place. This is an obvious violation of the first amendment. Who's 1st amendment right? The students right to express herself? Yeah, I'd saying the government employee going out of his way to shit on the 1st amendment rights of this student is pretty scummy. He should be fired. Oh wait... Crazy, I thought school was for, yknow, learning and shit, not "expressing" yourself. When I was in school, students "expressing themselves" were rightly labeled a distraction and dealt with accordingly. I'm sorry you went to such a terrible school. --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:913900634] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bruce_Somali posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote> ehh it would be fair if the teacher was maliciously referring to him as 'her' but it sounds like he tried to make some accommodations and the fact it wasnt an actual policy may give him some claim </quote> That "compromise" singles out the student, and he was misgendering him behind his back anyways. I'm not sure what recourse he's supposed to have for continuously ignoring guidelines flagrantly in front of other staff.</quote> The school has no business "gendering" someone in the first place. This is an obvious violation of the first amendment.</quote> Who's 1st amendment right? The students right to express herself? Yeah, I'd saying the government employee going out of his way to shit on the 1st amendment rights of this student is pretty scummy. He should be fired. Oh wait...</quote> Crazy, I thought school was for, yknow, learning and shit, not "expressing" yourself. When I was in school, students "expressing themselves" were rightly labeled a distraction and dealt with accordingly.</quote> I'm sorry you went to such a terrible school.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/10/18 5:45:54 PM #112:	P4wn4g3 posted... It would be. When my teacher was caught acting like I was making shit up at my school in the teacher's lounge we had a meeting with the principal and basically his career was in my hands. We opted not to be that harsh. Again, this could be the same kind of situation and probably is. This system specifically protects against people falsely claiming to have shit they don't and adding unnecessary prejudice into the mix. You aren't going to find a perfect system to simply protect everybody from harm ever. Typically IEPs are for students with special needs. In most circumstances, kids with IEPs are segretated from the rest of the school in special needs classes, less often it's the case that there are mixed IEP nonIEP classes. So no, it doesn't seem like the appropriate place with regards to just having people refer to the kid by their identified gender. Unless you believe that this necessarily indicates more substantial issues. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:913900655] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote>It would be. When my teacher was caught acting like I was making shit up at my school in the teacher's lounge we had a meeting with the principal and basically his career was in my hands. We opted not to be that harsh. Again, this could be the same kind of situation and probably is. This system specifically protects against people falsely claiming to have shit they don't and adding unnecessary prejudice into the mix. You aren't going to find a perfect system to simply protect everybody from harm ever. </quote> Typically IEPs are for students with special needs. In most circumstances, kids with IEPs are segretated from the rest of the school in special needs classes, less often it's the case that there are mixed IEP nonIEP classes. So no, it doesn't seem like the appropriate place with regards to just having people refer to the kid by their identified gender. Unless you believe that this necessarily indicates more substantial issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/10/18 5:53:14 PM #113:	Rookie User User Since: Nov 2018 Karma: 19 Active Posts: 31 Jesus fucking christ how many alt right alts do these CEmen need? --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:913901034] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote>Rookie User User Since: Nov 2018 Karma: 19 Active Posts: 31 Jesus fucking christ how many alt right alts do these CEmen need?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 12/10/18 5:54:30 PM #114:	darkphoenix181 posted... Alexanaxela posted... i want to be addressed as "supreme ruler of the galaxy" That is a title not a gender It is if they identify as it. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:913901104] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Alexanaxela posted...</cite> <quote>i want to be addressed as "supreme ruler of the galaxy"</quote> That is a title not a gender</quote> It is if they identify as it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 12/10/18 5:56:27 PM #115:	COVxy posted... P4wn4g3 posted... It would be. When my teacher was caught acting like I was making shit up at my school in the teacher's lounge we had a meeting with the principal and basically his career was in my hands. We opted not to be that harsh. Again, this could be the same kind of situation and probably is. This system specifically protects against people falsely claiming to have shit they don't and adding unnecessary prejudice into the mix. You aren't going to find a perfect system to simply protect everybody from harm ever. Typically IEPs are for students with special needs. In most circumstances, kids with IEPs are segretated from the rest of the school in special needs classes, less often it's the case that there are mixed IEP nonIEP classes. So no, it doesn't seem like the appropriate place with regards to just having people refer to the kid by their identified gender. Unless you believe that this necessarily indicates more substantial issues. I mean that's cool that you think you know that and all, but the fact is that anything can be stated in an IEP once it's in place that one is needed. Furthermore if I wanted to I could go back to my school, get my old IEP, and enforce all the strict policies at my workplace if I needed to (I don't). IEPs are made in such a way that they attempt to work best for the student's success at school and at the same time try not to be totally unreasonable to the school, though frankly special circumstances come up. I wasn't segregated or even put into special classes myself. --- 7D ChessMaster of Dark Aether https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:913901208] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote>It would be. When my teacher was caught acting like I was making shit up at my school in the teacher's lounge we had a meeting with the principal and basically his career was in my hands. We opted not to be that harsh. Again, this could be the same kind of situation and probably is. This system specifically protects against people falsely claiming to have shit they don't and adding unnecessary prejudice into the mix. You aren't going to find a perfect system to simply protect everybody from harm ever. </quote> Typically IEPs are for students with special needs. In most circumstances, kids with IEPs are segretated from the rest of the school in special needs classes, less often it's the case that there are mixed IEP nonIEP classes. So no, it doesn't seem like the appropriate place with regards to just having people refer to the kid by their identified gender. Unless you believe that this necessarily indicates more substantial issues.</quote> I mean that's cool that you think you know that and all, but the fact is that anything can be stated in an IEP once it's in place that one is needed. Furthermore if I wanted to I could go back to my school, get my old IEP, and enforce all the strict policies at my workplace if I needed to (I don't). IEPs are made in such a way that they attempt to work best for the student's success at school and at the same time try not to be totally unreasonable to the school, though frankly special circumstances come up. I wasn't segregated or even put into special classes myself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaithSayer 12/10/18 6:02:30 PM #116:	Some people take their position as EDUCATOR seriously. <cite>SaithSayer posted [p:913901531] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote>Some people take their position as EDUCATOR seriously.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bruce_Somali 12/10/18 6:03:46 PM #117:	mario2000 posted... "if we let the gays get married then we'll have to let people and animals get married!" Some states allow it, and people can get married to their toaster if they want. I have no problem with gay marriage, just saying. mario2000 posted... "if we let women and minorities vote then we'll have to let non-citizens vote" Quite a few dems and libs actually do want non citizens to have voting rights. It's not outside of the realm of possibility. mario2000 posted... "if we call people by their preferred pronouns then we'll have to call them darth vader!" If someone legally changed their name to Darth Vader, and their school/work refused to call them that (harrassment/emotional abuse) do you seriously think there isn't a crop of lawyers in this country that wouldn't take that case? Or a court that wouldn't side with Mr Vader? Yes, it is stupid, but on a technical level it has validity. I do think the slippery slope argument has merit here. How long until we start fining and imprisoning people for what essentially amounts to extremely mild name calling? And from there, when do we start imposing penalties for calling someone an asshole/mother fucker/etc? Baring in mind, other "progressive" countries have already started. --- Look at me. I'm the Dragon now. <cite>Bruce_Somali posted [p:913901602] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>"if we let the gays get married then we'll have to let people and animals get married!"</quote> Some states allow it, and people can get married to their toaster if they want. I have no problem with gay marriage, just saying. <cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>"if we let women and minorities vote then we'll have to let non-citizens vote"</quote> Quite a few dems and libs actually do want non citizens to have voting rights. It's not outside of the realm of possibility. <cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>"if we call people by their preferred pronouns then we'll have to call them darth vader!"</quote> If someone legally changed their name to Darth Vader, and their school/work refused to call them that (harrassment/emotional abuse) do you seriously think there isn't a crop of lawyers in this country that wouldn't take that case? Or a court that wouldn't side with Mr Vader? Yes, it is stupid, but on a technical level it has validity. I do think the slippery slope argument has merit here. How long until we start fining and imprisoning people for what essentially amounts to extremely mild name calling? And from there, when do we start imposing penalties for calling someone an asshole/mother fucker/etc? Baring in mind, other "progressive" countries have already started.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bruce_Somali 12/10/18 6:09:24 PM #118:	mario2000 posted... Bruce_Somali posted... A_Good_Boy posted... P4wn4g3 posted... A_Good_Boy posted... andel posted... ehh it would be fair if the teacher was maliciously referring to him as 'her' but it sounds like he tried to make some accommodations and the fact it wasnt an actual policy may give him some claim That "compromise" singles out the student, and he was misgendering him behind his back anyways. I'm not sure what recourse he's supposed to have for continuously ignoring guidelines flagrantly in front of other staff. The school has no business "gendering" someone in the first place. This is an obvious violation of the first amendment. Who's 1st amendment right? The students right to express herself? Yeah, I'd saying the government employee going out of his way to shit on the 1st amendment rights of this student is pretty scummy. He should be fired. Oh wait... Crazy, I thought school was for, yknow, learning and shit, not "expressing" yourself. When I was in school, students "expressing themselves" were rightly labeled a distraction and dealt with accordingly. I'm sorry you went to such a terrible school. Lol what? So what do they do with disruptive students at your school? Throw them a parade? --- Look at me. I'm the Dragon now. <cite>Bruce_Somali posted [p:913901927] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bruce_Somali posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote> ehh it would be fair if the teacher was maliciously referring to him as 'her' but it sounds like he tried to make some accommodations and the fact it wasnt an actual policy may give him some claim </quote> That "compromise" singles out the student, and he was misgendering him behind his back anyways. I'm not sure what recourse he's supposed to have for continuously ignoring guidelines flagrantly in front of other staff.</quote> The school has no business "gendering" someone in the first place. This is an obvious violation of the first amendment.</quote> Who's 1st amendment right? The students right to express herself? Yeah, I'd saying the government employee going out of his way to shit on the 1st amendment rights of this student is pretty scummy. He should be fired. Oh wait...</quote> Crazy, I thought school was for, yknow, learning and shit, not "expressing" yourself. When I was in school, students "expressing themselves" were rightly labeled a distraction and dealt with accordingly.</quote> I'm sorry you went to such a terrible school.</quote> Lol what? So what do they do with disruptive students at your school? Throw them a parade?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 12/10/18 6:11:52 PM #119:	I take it people defending this blindly don't actually have any experience about what someone with special needs actually requires, or why they would require it. Legally speaking I can still bring in my disability paperwork to work and abuse the allowances it affords me. I don't want to. I want to be treated as a normal, healthy person because I've worked hard at being as healthy as I can be and my needs aren't anywhere near what they once were. But I can totally take advantage of the system if I want and fuck you over in the process. That's how it works. The real crux of things here isn't someone's desire to be a normal person, but rather their own understanding of what normal is like relative to them. When someone can't come to terms with their situation they will flounder trying to make efforts they don't need to and we are all our own worst enemies as far as that goes because we'll try to take shortcuts to try to reach some self image our ego makes. It's complex stuff. Nobody wants to talk about it. It's not a happy conversation. --- 7D ChessMaster of Dark Aether https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:913902105] in Teacher fi... [t:77289302]...</cite> <quote>I take it people defending this blindly don't actually have any experience about what someone with special needs actually requires, or why they would require it. Legally speaking I can still bring in my disability paperwork to work and abuse the allowances it affords me. I don't want to. I want to be treated as a normal, healthy person because I've worked hard at being as healthy as I can be and my needs aren't anywhere near what they once were. But I can totally take advantage of the system if I want and fuck you over in the process. That's how it works. The real crux of things here isn't someone's desire to be a normal person, but rather their own understanding of what normal is like relative to them. When someone can't come to terms with their situation they will flounder trying to make efforts they don't need to and we are all our own worst enemies as far as that goes because we'll try to take shortcuts to try to reach some self image our ego makes. It's complex stuff. Nobody wants to talk about it. It's not a happy conversation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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