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DifferentialEquation
12/10/18 8:33:06 PM
#151:


AmericaTheBrave posted...
Why would white people want a white only space? They are not marginalized. Obviously they can have one, but their reason would not be sound and likely be steeped in prejudice.


Black people aren't marginalized anymore either. Black people having their own spaces made sense 50-60 years ago when they used to experience racism, but there's really no reason for it now.

The one exception to that I could understand would be the older black people who actually lived through that era would only want to be around other black people, but it makes no sense for anyone under 50 (and most of the people in that video appeared to well under the age of 50).
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/10/18 8:35:32 PM
#152:


Anti-245 posted...
AmericaTheBrave posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
White people choosing to have white only spaces is fine then because it's their choice, then?


Why would white people want a white only space? They are not marginalized. Obviously they can have one, but their reason would not be sound and likely be steeped in prejudice.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
What fucking year and country are you posting from?


2018 in America where racism didn't magically disappear in 1964 when the CRA was passed. What magical land are you from?

They think just because you write something on a piece of paper that centuries of oppression magically disappear.


introduce context, nuance and timeline events.. and watch that argument of their's crumble.

arguments dependant on excluding these things are always begging to be stomped on
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Anti-245
12/10/18 8:37:12 PM
#153:


See what I mean? Pass something on a piece of paper and oppression disappears magically. Black people's problem then become something about our biology or culture. It's never about oppression anymore because that isn't "legal" today. Of course, contemporary oppression is always permissible.
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FrisbeeDude
12/10/18 8:37:35 PM
#154:


DifferentialEquation posted...
AmericaTheBrave posted...
Why would white people want a white only space? They are not marginalized. Obviously they can have one, but their reason would not be sound and likely be steeped in prejudice.


Black people aren't marginalized anymore either.


You hear that, black folks? This non black person has declared we arent marginalized anymore! Yeah, we have countless examples to the contrary, but hes declared it so! Time to celebrate!
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Anti-245
12/10/18 8:43:02 PM
#155:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Anti-245 posted...
AmericaTheBrave posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
White people choosing to have white only spaces is fine then because it's their choice, then?


Why would white people want a white only space? They are not marginalized. Obviously they can have one, but their reason would not be sound and likely be steeped in prejudice.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
What fucking year and country are you posting from?


2018 in America where racism didn't magically disappear in 1964 when the CRA was passed. What magical land are you from?

They think just because you write something on a piece of paper that centuries of oppression magically disappear.


introduce context, nuance and timeline events.. and watch that argument of their's crumble.

arguments dependant on excluding these things are always begging to be stomped on

They already know the history. They just don't care imo
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DifferentialEquation
12/10/18 8:46:30 PM
#156:


FrisbeeDude posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
AmericaTheBrave posted...
Why would white people want a white only space? They are not marginalized. Obviously they can have one, but their reason would not be sound and likely be steeped in prejudice.


Black people aren't marginalized anymore either.


You hear that, black folks? This non black person has declared we arent marginalized anymore! Yeah, we have countless examples to the contrary, but hes declared it so! Time to celebrate!


There isn't. If it appears that way it's because some people have a vested interest creating divisiveness. The 90s were much better. It didn't matter what color you were, every kid had a Jordan jersey and wanted to be like Mike. Now, if a white kid wears a LeBron jersey, he'll get accused of cultural appropriation and have to undergo racial sensitivity training. If racism seems like a problem nowadays, it's because we have an sizable segment of the population who makes a lot of money through diversity workshops, racial sensitivity training, being employed as diversity officers, etc. They're trying to create racism, because if there's no racism then there's no demand for their products/services and they'd have to find new lines of work.
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CornBarn
12/10/18 8:47:53 PM
#157:


I'm not sure I trust that most of the people on CE are honest. For example, someone like FrisbeeDude would never acknowledge that he's not marginalized or oppressed anymore even if he wasn't marginalized or oppressed, because it's always advantageous to be in the position of power of having people believe you when you say you are still marginalized or oppressed.

Why would anyone looking out for their own best interests ever say anything else when they can instead get preferential treatment by playing the Oppression card?

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FrisbeeDude
12/10/18 8:49:30 PM
#158:


CornBarn posted...
I'm not sure I trust that most of the people on CE are honest. For example, someone like FrisbeeDude would never acknowledge that he's not marginalized or oppressed anymore even if he wasn't marginalized or oppressed, because it's always advantageous to be in the position of power of having people believe you when you say you are still marginalized or oppressed.

Why would anyone looking out for their own best interests ever say anything else when they can instead get preferential treatment by playing the Oppression card?

If FrisbeeDude was an honest individual you'd expect that his reason for disputing DifferentialEquation's perspective be based solely on data, not based on DifferentialEquation being non-black as if that somehow determines whether or not his argument is good.


The sad part about this post is how many white people agree with it
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/10/18 8:49:54 PM
#159:


they don't care, but keep trying to control the conversation for those who are having it, lol. they could simply choose to not partake, but the feeling of entitlement is too strong to not jump in and engage.

it's two natures colliding. the true nature vs the facade.
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gunplagirl
12/10/18 8:50:58 PM
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Not gonna read through the topic but anyone who says "well what if the roles were reversed" is ignoring the uneven power distribution.
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Anti-245
12/10/18 8:51:46 PM
#162:


DifferentialEquation posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
AmericaTheBrave posted...
Why would white people want a white only space? They are not marginalized. Obviously they can have one, but their reason would not be sound and likely be steeped in prejudice.


Black people aren't marginalized anymore either.


You hear that, black folks? This non black person has declared we arent marginalized anymore! Yeah, we have countless examples to the contrary, but hes declared it so! Time to celebrate!


There isn't. If it appears that way it's because some people have a vested interest creating divisiveness. The 90s were much better. It didn't matter what color you were, every kid had a Jordan jersey and wanted to be like Mike. Now, if a white kid wears a LeBron jersey, he'll get accused of cultural appropriation and have to undergo racial sensitivity training. If racism seems like a problem nowadays, it's because we have an sizable segment of the population who makes a lot of money through diversity workshops, racial sensitivity training, being employed as diversity officers, etc. They're trying to create racism, because if there's no racism then there's no demand for their products/services and they'd have to find new lines of work.

So, I suppose in your world 1964-5, racism ended? How did it end? Who were the key players? Where did most racists go? Why did the Deep South go from blue to red? Why was attention taken from poverty to drugs and crime? Where did the drugs and guns in black communities come from?
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DifferentialEquation
12/10/18 8:52:36 PM
#163:


CrimsonRage posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The 90s were much better


the same 90s that had the LA riots?


An isolated incident doesn't define the era.
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FrisbeeDude
12/10/18 8:53:03 PM
#164:


CrimsonRage posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The 90s were much better


the same 90s that had the LA riots?


The only reason white people say the 90s was better race relations wise is because back then, it was easier to ignore

With the rise of the internet and social media, they cant avoid it.
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Anti-245
12/10/18 8:54:16 PM
#165:


On top of that, why are blacks and whites still segregated and why do whites possess 90% of wealth in this country?
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Bishop9800
12/10/18 8:58:34 PM
#167:


DifferentialEquation posted...
Black people aren't marginalized anymore either. Black people having their own spaces made sense 50-60 years ago when they used to experience racism, but there's really no reason for it now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0" data-time="

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CornBarn
12/10/18 8:59:59 PM
#168:


Anti-245 posted...
On top of that, why are blacks and whites still segregated


Because people instinctively move into communities that have the same language or culture or skin color as them, even in free societies where people can move more freely than elsewhere.

https://www.amazon.com/Discrimination-Disparities-Thomas-Sowell/dp/154164560X

Anti-245 posted...
and why do whites possess 90% of wealth in this country?


Why do Indians and Jews and Asians earn more than whites?

Also, once again:

https://www.amazon.com/Discrimination-Disparities-Thomas-Sowell/dp/154164560X
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DifferentialEquation
12/10/18 9:02:39 PM
#169:


Anti-245 posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
AmericaTheBrave posted...
Why would white people want a white only space? They are not marginalized. Obviously they can have one, but their reason would not be sound and likely be steeped in prejudice.


Black people aren't marginalized anymore either.


You hear that, black folks? This non black person has declared we arent marginalized anymore! Yeah, we have countless examples to the contrary, but hes declared it so! Time to celebrate!


There isn't. If it appears that way it's because some people have a vested interest creating divisiveness. The 90s were much better. It didn't matter what color you were, every kid had a Jordan jersey and wanted to be like Mike. Now, if a white kid wears a LeBron jersey, he'll get accused of cultural appropriation and have to undergo racial sensitivity training. If racism seems like a problem nowadays, it's because we have an sizable segment of the population who makes a lot of money through diversity workshops, racial sensitivity training, being employed as diversity officers, etc. They're trying to create racism, because if there's no racism then there's no demand for their products/services and they'd have to find new lines of work.

So, I suppose in your world 1964-5, racism ended? How did it end? Who were the key players? Where did most racists go? Why did the Deep South go from blue to red? Why was attention taken from poverty to drugs and crime? Where did the drugs and guns in black communities come from?


Actual racist laws on the books ended at that time. Race relations didn't heal over night, that took a few more years. I think Gerald Ford (and to a lesser extent, Reagan) was key in truly uniting the country and effectively eliminating remnants of racism.

Most racists simply died out, as their way of thinking isn't welcome anymore. I would guess there are maybe 20,000 to 30,000 people left who still have racist beliefs (maybe 50,000 at the most). Ideally there shouldn't be any, but in country of over 300 million they're pretty much irrelevant.

As for the drug problem, that has nothing to with race directly. That's all because of the cartels bringing in the drugs and starting gangs. They choose to operate primarily in the cities because that's where they have the most customers. Since most black people live in cities, it was an unfortunate coincidence that black neighborhoods have been disproportionately affected by drugs.
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Anti-245
12/10/18 9:03:11 PM
#170:


CornBarn posted...
Anti-245 posted...
On top of that, why are blacks and whites still segregated


Because people instinctively move into communities that have the same language or culture or skin color as them, even in free societies where people can move more freely than elsewhere.

https://www.amazon.com/Discrimination-Disparities-Thomas-Sowell/dp/154164560X

Anti-245 posted...
and why do whites possess 90% of wealth in this country?


Why do Indians and Jews and Asians earn more than whites?

Also, once again:

https://www.amazon.com/Discrimination-Disparities-Thomas-Sowell/dp/154164560X

Whites and blacks have the same culture and language so try again. Unless, you want to say that whites are anti black racists. Furthermore, you assume that blacks have choices when it comes to where they move when we clearly don't. There have been many lawsuits against the housing market for racism that happened after the fair housing act was passed. :P
And nice way dodging my question, I'm talking about wealth, not income or wages which is separate.
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FrisbeeDude
12/10/18 9:04:00 PM
#171:


"Race relations didnt heal overnight, that took a few more years"

LMFAO

That's how you do it
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Anarchy_Juiblex
12/10/18 9:04:38 PM
#172:


Anti-245 posted...
Where did the drugs and guns in black communities come from?


They bought them.

Hi-point is based out of Mansfield, OH.
As for drugs, most were smuggled in from South America.
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Anti-245
12/10/18 9:05:01 PM
#173:


DifferentialEquation posted...
Anti-245 posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
AmericaTheBrave posted...
Why would white people want a white only space? They are not marginalized. Obviously they can have one, but their reason would not be sound and likely be steeped in prejudice.


Black people aren't marginalized anymore either.


You hear that, black folks? This non black person has declared we arent marginalized anymore! Yeah, we have countless examples to the contrary, but hes declared it so! Time to celebrate!


There isn't. If it appears that way it's because some people have a vested interest creating divisiveness. The 90s were much better. It didn't matter what color you were, every kid had a Jordan jersey and wanted to be like Mike. Now, if a white kid wears a LeBron jersey, he'll get accused of cultural appropriation and have to undergo racial sensitivity training. If racism seems like a problem nowadays, it's because we have an sizable segment of the population who makes a lot of money through diversity workshops, racial sensitivity training, being employed as diversity officers, etc. They're trying to create racism, because if there's no racism then there's no demand for their products/services and they'd have to find new lines of work.

So, I suppose in your world 1964-5, racism ended? How did it end? Who were the key players? Where did most racists go? Why did the Deep South go from blue to red? Why was attention taken from poverty to drugs and crime? Where did the drugs and guns in black communities come from?


Actual racist laws on the books ended at that time. Race relations didn't heal over night, that took a few more years. I think Gerald Ford (and to a lesser extent, Reagan) was key in truly uniting the country and effectively eliminating remnants of racism.

Most racists simply died out, as their way of thinking isn't welcome anymore. I would guess there are maybe 20,000 to 30,000 people left who still have racist beliefs (maybe 50,000 at the most). Ideally there shouldn't be any, but in country of over 300 million they're pretty much irrelevant.

As for the drug problem, that has nothing to with race directly. That's all because of the cartels bringing in the drugs and starting gangs. They choose to operate primarily in the cities because that's where they have the most customers. Since most black people live in cities, it was an unfortunate coincidence that black neighborhoods have been disproportionately affected by drugs.

Revisionist history, the Republican Party spearheaded the southern strategy which drove racists into their power as a backlash to the civil rights era.
Drugs were pushed into black communities by the CIA to funnel money out to pay for an illegal war under Reagan.
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AmericaTheBrave
12/10/18 9:05:29 PM
#174:


CornBarn posted...
Because people instinctively move into communities that have the same language or culture or skin color as them


Oh so there isn't anything wrong with what these black women did? Glad we cleared that up.
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Anti-245
12/10/18 9:06:59 PM
#175:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Anti-245 posted...
Where did the drugs and guns in black communities come from?


They bought them.

Hi-point is based out of Mansfield, OH.
As for drugs, most were smuggled in from South America.

They bought them. XD
Yeah, and who smuggled the drugs in from Nicaragua?
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CornBarn
12/10/18 9:07:10 PM
#176:


Anti-245 posted...
Whites and blacks have the same culture and language so try again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ayf8Iny9Eg" data-time="


Anti-245 posted...
Furthermore, you assume that blacks have choices when it comes to where they move when we clearly don't


The general truth about present day America is that people can move wherever they want that is within their budget.

Anti-245 posted...
And nice way dodging my question, I'm talking about wealth, not income or wages which is separate.


Wealth is a consequence of saving and investing your wages. It's not a secret that Asians, Jews, and Indians tend to do better than whites. But unfortunately anti-white racists hate facts which is why they frame conversations about wealth and income in terms of just black vs white rather than all the demographics.
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/10/18 9:07:51 PM
#177:


racism died when MLK took a bullet for being a SJW. he died for America's sins, thus a clean slate.

unfortunately racism came back a half hour later when people(now grandparents) celebrated the fact that he got hit.
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Bishop9800
12/10/18 9:07:51 PM
#178:


DifferentialEquation posted...

Actual racist laws on the books ended at that time. Race relations didn't heal over night, that took a few more years. I think Gerald Ford (and to a lesser extent, Reagan) was key in truly uniting the country and effectively eliminating remnants of racism.

Most racists simply died out, as their way of thinking isn't welcome anymore. I would guess there are maybe 20,000 to 30,000 people left who still have racist beliefs (maybe 50,000 at the most). Ideally there shouldn't be any, but in country of over 300 million they're pretty much irrelevant.


http://gph.is/2fAJHsW
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AmericaTheBrave
12/10/18 9:08:29 PM
#179:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Anti-245 posted...
Where did the drugs and guns in black communities come from?


They bought them.

Hi-point is based out of Mansfield, OH.
As for drugs, most were smuggled in from South America.


Do you think the CIA did not funnel drugs into black communities? Because this is well documented.
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SquirrelyDan
12/10/18 9:09:16 PM
#180:


I don't agree with the chick running that vacation spot, or the people who think segregation is a good way to handle race relations, but I see no issues with people going where they want for vacation. If any of them want to move there, that's their choice. I mean, it does absolutely nothing to help others get away from their oppression, but if they don't care about other oppressed people then that's also their choice.

Personally I don't see it as a loss if racists want to move out of this country. I'm talking all racists of all races. Imagine how few people would live in America if all the racists left.
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/10/18 9:10:04 PM
#181:


AmericaTheBrave posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Anti-245 posted...
Where did the drugs and guns in black communities come from?


They bought them.

Hi-point is based out of Mansfield, OH.
As for drugs, most were smuggled in from South America.


Do you think the CIA did not funnel drugs into black communities? Because this is well documented.


he probably thinks Black people are why his anti depressants are his lifeline
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DifferentialEquation
12/10/18 9:10:15 PM
#182:


CornBarn posted...
Wealth is a consequence of saving and investing your wages. It's not a secret that Asians, Jews, and Indians tend to do better than whites. But unfortunately anti-white racists hate facts which is why they frame conversations about wealth and income in terms of just black vs white rather than all the demographics.


When you break down most statistics by race, when people usually seem to be middle of the road. They pretty much always fall behind Asians, yet somehow white people are treated as racist masterminds that are holding everyone else down.
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CornBarn
12/10/18 9:11:15 PM
#183:


DifferentialEquation posted...
CornBarn posted...
Wealth is a consequence of saving and investing your wages. It's not a secret that Asians, Jews, and Indians tend to do better than whites. But unfortunately anti-white racists hate facts which is why they frame conversations about wealth and income in terms of just black vs white rather than all the demographics.


When you break down most statistics by race, when people usually seem to be middle of the road. They pretty much always fall behind Asians, yet somehow white people are treated as racist masterminds that are holding everyone else down.


Because the intention is to exacerbate relations between black people and white people, not to actually understand anything or respect the facts.
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/10/18 9:14:14 PM
#184:


SquirrelyDan posted...
I don't agree with the chick running that vacation spot, or the people who think segregation is a good way to handle race relations, but I see no issues with people going where they want for vacation. If any of them want to move there, that's their choice. I mean, it does absolutely nothing to help others get away from their oppression, but if they don't care about other oppressed people then that's also their choice.

Personally I don't see it as a loss if racists want to move out of this country. I'm talking all racists of all races. Imagine how few people would live in America if all the racists left.


what about the people who are just complicit and complacent, but not actively partaking in the racism?
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Anti-245
12/10/18 9:14:49 PM
#185:


CornBarn posted...
Anti-245 posted...
Whites and blacks have the same culture and language so try again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ayf8Iny9Eg" data-time="


Anti-245 posted...
Furthermore, you assume that blacks have choices when it comes to where they move when we clearly don't


The general truth about present day America is that people can move wherever they want that is within their budget.

Anti-245 posted...
And nice way dodging my question, I'm talking about wealth, not income or wages which is separate.


Wealth is a consequence of saving and investing your wages. It's not a secret that Asians, Jews, and Indians tend to do better than whites. But unfortunately anti-white racists hate facts which is why they frame conversations about wealth and income in terms of just black vs white rather than all the demographics.

That's not how whites generated their wealth :P.
For example, whites were able to generate wealth during the new deal with their houses and passing it down over generations. Blacks didn't have that privledge.
Which Asians are you talking about btw? What about Indians as well? Because if you're talking about immigrants, many of them are privileged before they come here and simply use that to move above whites. Btw, this still doesn't explain the disparities between whites at 90% of American wealth.
Jews are a special case as they received reparations after the holocaust and the U.S. supported them since then.
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CornBarn
12/10/18 9:16:44 PM
#186:


Anti-245 posted...
That's not how whites generated their wealth


Yes it is. The majority of white millionaires are self-made. No inheritance, no loans, all new money.

Anti-245 posted...
For example, whites were able to generate wealth during the new deal with their houses and passing it down over generations. Blacks didn't have that privledge.


The majority of white people didn't have that privilege either.

Anti-245 posted...
Which Asians are you talking about btw? What about Indians as well?


Whites are not the ones with the largest incomes and the rate of increase in white wealth has slowed down considerably. The disparities between black and Jew and black and Asian and black and Indian are larger than between black and white.
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SquirrelyDan
12/10/18 9:17:57 PM
#187:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
SquirrelyDan posted...
I don't agree with the chick running that vacation spot, or the people who think segregation is a good way to handle race relations, but I see no issues with people going where they want for vacation. If any of them want to move there, that's their choice. I mean, it does absolutely nothing to help others get away from their oppression, but if they don't care about other oppressed people then that's also their choice.

Personally I don't see it as a loss if racists want to move out of this country. I'm talking all racists of all races. Imagine how few people would live in America if all the racists left.


what about the people who are just complicit and complacent, but not actively partaking in the racism?

Anyone full of hate should start their own caravan, or convoy, or floatilla, or conga line, or whatever, and enjoy their trip out of this country. Is that clear enough?
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AmericaTheBrave
12/10/18 9:18:43 PM
#188:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
AmericaTheBrave posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Anti-245 posted...
Where did the drugs and guns in black communities come from?


They bought them.

Hi-point is based out of Mansfield, OH.
As for drugs, most were smuggled in from South America.


Do you think the CIA did not funnel drugs into black communities? Because this is well documented.


he probably thinks Black people are why his anti depressants are his lifeline


Honestly he strikes me as someone who thinks racism has nothing to do with black people's current place in society and think it's entirely poor decisions and a "bad culture". Like "after the CRA, everything was fine, blacks are just lazy and bring everything on themselves." I'm not saying personal responsibility isn't a factor, but it's not the entire problem. For example, personal responsibility does not help a law-abiding gun-owning black man when a cop shoots him for looking like a suspect.
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Kineth
12/10/18 9:18:44 PM
#189:


CornBarn posted...
Anti-245 posted...
That's not how whites generated their wealth


Yes it is. The majority of white millionaires are self-made. No inheritance, no loans, all new money.

Anti-245 posted...
For example, whites were able to generate wealth during the new deal with their houses and passing it down over generations. Blacks didn't have that privledge.


The majority of white people didn't have that privilege either.

Anti-245 posted...
Which Asians are you talking about btw? What about Indians as well?


Whites are not the ones with the largest incomes and the rate of increase in white wealth has slowed down considerably. The disparities between black and Jew and black and Asian and black and Indian are larger than between black and white.


lol.. look at this guy downplaying white people so he can rabble rouse about white people's need to get power.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
12/10/18 9:19:13 PM
#190:


AmericaTheBrave posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Anti-245 posted...
Where did the drugs and guns in black communities come from?


They bought them.

Hi-point is based out of Mansfield, OH.
As for drugs, most were smuggled in from South America.


Do you think the CIA did not funnel drugs into black communities? Because this is well documented.


Access* is only part of the Crack Epidemic equation.
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SquirrelyDan
12/10/18 9:22:21 PM
#191:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
AmericaTheBrave posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Anti-245 posted...
Where did the drugs and guns in black communities come from?


They bought them.

Hi-point is based out of Mansfield, OH.
As for drugs, most were smuggled in from South America.


Do you think the CIA did not funnel drugs into black communities? Because this is well documented.


Access* is only part of the Crack Epidemic equation.

It's a pretty big damn part, dude.
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Taharqa_
12/10/18 9:23:07 PM
#192:


CornBarn posted...
Anti-245 posted...
That's not how whites generated their wealth


Yes it is. The majority of white millionaires are self-made. No inheritance, no loans, all new money.

Anti-245 posted...
For example, whites were able to generate wealth during the new deal with their houses and passing it down over generations. Blacks didn't have that privledge.


The majority of white people didn't have that privilege either.

Anti-245 posted...
Which Asians are you talking about btw? What about Indians as well?


Whites are not the ones with the largest incomes and the rate of increase in white wealth has slowed down considerably. The disparities between black and Jew and black and Asian and black and Indian are larger than between black and white.


So you ignore the reality of the well documented intergenerational transmission of inequality enacted through policies by the state and Federal government to go..."nuh uh"?
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Bloodychess
12/10/18 9:24:03 PM
#193:


Whats happening here
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Anti-245
12/10/18 9:26:28 PM
#194:


CornBarn posted...
Anti-245 posted...
That's not how whites generated their wealth


Yes it is. The majority of white millionaires are self-made. No inheritance, no loans, all new money.

Anti-245 posted...
For example, whites were able to generate wealth during the new deal with their houses and passing it down over generations. Blacks didn't have that privledge.


The majority of white people didn't have that privilege either.

Anti-245 posted...
Which Asians are you talking about btw? What about Indians as well?


Whites are not the ones with the largest incomes and the rate of increase in white wealth has slowed down considerably. The disparities between black and Jew and black and Asian and black and Indian are larger than between black and white.

Revisionist history, most whites directly benefited from the new deal. Why? Because the new excluded blacks due to their race and whites used their advantages to create middle class lifestyles. Any honest person will admit this.
You still haven't answered what categories you're using for Asians and Indians because if you break it down, many of them are in the same boat as blacks. They simply take East Asians and certain Indians and over represent them. They never do it with African immigrants who have those same attributes as Asian and Indian immigrants on the high end.

No one is "self-made".

Whites still possess the majority of American wealth and while others have struggled, they're wealth actually rebounded quite nicely since 2007. Again, wealth is not income. You've already said it yourself though what you described is still not the totality of wealth.

I'm waiting: why do whites have 90% of all wealth here?
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FrisbeeDude
12/10/18 9:29:18 PM
#195:


Bloodychess posted...
Whats happening here


This topic took a weird turn lol
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Anarchy_Juiblex
12/10/18 9:31:19 PM
#196:


AmericaTheBrave posted...
For example, personal responsibility does not help a law-abiding gun-owning black man when a cop shoots him for looking like a suspect.


I have posited the idea that fellow 2Aers need to defend the Security guard in Cali, the guy in Alabama, and a few other recent incidents I cant recall. Because if police can simply shoot you for having a gun, you don't really have 2A rights. This is independent of race btw.

Prior to the left losing its fucking mind on identity politics, I was pretty much in lock step with the generalized talking points. The war on drugs for example, which has many unintended (or intended, depending on who you ask) consequences that have a disproportional affect on blacks, from the bottom up. However, like in the Moonlanding topic I've posted in, the left overstates things and for the sake of honesty I have to speak up.
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CornBarn
12/10/18 9:32:26 PM
#197:


Taharqa_ posted...
So you ignore the reality of the well documented intergenerational transmission of inequality enacted through policies by the state and Federal government to go..."nuh uh"?


Considering that most millionaires are self-made within a single generation and most whites did not benefit from generations of wealth transfers, I'd say you're exaggerating this concept of transmission of inequality and also understating the role of personal responsibility.

And the evidence shows that the black community is not stuck in intergenerational transmission of inequality like you suggested.

https://www.nielsen.com/us/en/press-room/2016/nielsen-2016-report-black-millennials-close-the-digital-divide.html

89% of African Americans ages 2534 completed high school, compared to 77% of Black Americans ages 55 and older.

21% of African Americans ages 2534 have an associates college degree or higher, versus 17% of those who are 55 and older.

From 2004 20014 the number of Black households with annual incomes of $50,000 - $75,000 increased 18% compared to 2% for the total U.S. For Black households earning $100,000+ annually, the increase between 2004 and 2014 was 95%, compared with 66% for the total population.

The share of Black households with an income less than $25,000 declined from 43% in 2004 to 37% of the total African-American population in 2014.


https://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/news/2015/african-americans-are-increasingly-affluent-educated-and-diverse.html

The median income of black households has increased 3.5% over the past three years from 2011-2013, as The Great Recession has waned. During this period, real median household income grew more among African-American households (+$793) than among white households (+$433) and among the total population, according to the U.S. Census.

From 2005-2013, the most recent data available, black income growth outpaced that of non-Hispanic whites at every level above $60,000. During that same time period, the largest increase for black households occurred in the number of households earning over $200,000, with an increase of 138%, compared with an increase of 74% for the total population.


And the percentage of black people who go to college is higher than the percentage of white people who go to college. Etc.
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Kineth
12/10/18 9:36:04 PM
#198:


A 49 karma account from 2010 suddenly has an interest in telling black people what is really going on. Mods, ban this poor excuse for a human.
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CornBarn
12/10/18 9:36:39 PM
#199:


Anti-245 posted...
Revisionist history, most whites directly benefited from the new deal.


Most white people today do not have any tangible benefits from the new deal.

Anti-245 posted...
You still haven't answered what categories you're using for Asians and Indians because if you break it down, many of them are in the same boat as blacks. They simply take East Asians and certain Indians and over represent them. They never do it with African immigrants who have those same attributes as Asian and Indian immigrants on the high end.


So you want me to break down "Asian and Indian" into categories...but you refuse to break White into categories? Because you know that there are whites from different parts of the world and not all of them are necessarily doing well financially. That's hypocritical.

Anti-245 posted...
Whites still possess the majority of American wealth and while others have struggled, they're wealth actually rebounded quite nicely since 2007. Again, wealth is not income. You've already said it yourself though what you described is still not the totality of wealth.

I'm waiting: why do whites have 90% of all wealth here?


Factors that aid in building wealth are having a large income, not having children before marriage, not being a single parent household, and completing college with a relevant education. After that it's simply a matter of investing.

Income is the metric that actually matters.
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12/10/18 9:38:00 PM
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