Current Events > CNN: please do not listen to the climate change deniers we put on TV

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Antifar
12/11/18 11:49:51 AM
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Tmaster148
12/11/18 11:56:50 AM
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Don't put them on tv.
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Antifar
12/11/18 11:59:34 AM
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Tmaster148 posted...
Don't put them on tv.

hmmm
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Gheb
12/11/18 12:06:52 PM
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When 9 out of 10 dentists agree that a toothpaste works. We all accept that as fact and we don't have people giving voice to the one dentists that disagrees.

We should treat client change the same way.
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Steve Nick
12/11/18 12:07:58 PM
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Gheb posted...
When 9 out of 10 dentists agree that a toothpaste works. We all accept that as fact and we don't have people giving voice to the one dentists that disagrees.

We should treat client change the same way.


I've seen plenty of instances where the 1 is right and the 9 are wrong.
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0AbsoluteZero0
12/11/18 12:09:14 PM
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Steve Nick posted...
Gheb posted...
When 9 out of 10 dentists agree that a toothpaste works. We all accept that as fact and we don't have people giving voice to the one dentists that disagrees.

We should treat client change the same way.


I've seen plenty of instances where the 1 is right and the 9 are wrong.

Such as?
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pinky0926
12/11/18 12:09:24 PM
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John Oliver and Bill Nye (regardless of what you think of them) were right when they pointed out that having a pro climate change and an anti climate change guy on a talking head show to duke it out is a pretty misappropriation of the scenario.
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UnholyMudcrab
12/11/18 12:09:46 PM
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Gheb posted...
When 9 out of 10 dentists agree that a toothpaste works. We all accept that as fact and we don't have people giving voice to the one dentists that disagrees.

We should treat client change the same way.


I've seen plenty of instances where the 1 is right and the 9 are wrong.

Such as?

You just know he's going to say Trump's election
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Zikten
12/11/18 12:10:17 PM
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Gheb posted...
When 9 out of 10 dentists agree that a toothpaste works. We all accept that as fact and we don't have people giving voice to the one dentists that disagrees.

We should treat client change the same way.


I've seen plenty of instances where the 1 is right and the 9 are wrong.

Such as?

What's his name that said the earth orbits the sun instead of the other way around. Nobody believed him in his time and he was executed
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TomNook20
12/11/18 12:10:18 PM
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Gheb posted...
When 9 out of 10 dentists agree that a toothpaste works. We all accept that as fact and we don't have people giving voice to the one dentists that disagrees.

We should treat client change the same way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-Cf6O0ogI" data-time="

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Caution999
12/11/18 12:10:29 PM
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It's almost like they want to illicit an emotional reaction out of their viewers...
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Gheb
12/11/18 12:11:17 PM
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Steve Nick posted...
Gheb posted...
When 9 out of 10 dentists agree that a toothpaste works. We all accept that as fact and we don't have people giving voice to the one dentists that disagrees.

We should treat client change the same way.


I've seen plenty of instances where the 1 is right and the 9 are wrong.


But I'm guessing you've seen many more instances of the 9 being right and the 1 being a loon.

And how often is the 1 being right also has the 1 receiving substantial financial backing from the fossil fuel industry.

Also, 9/10 is actually downplaying the actual consensus. Climate change has far more than 90% support in the scientific community.
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UnholyMudcrab
12/11/18 12:12:37 PM
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Zikten posted...
0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Gheb posted...
When 9 out of 10 dentists agree that a toothpaste works. We all accept that as fact and we don't have people giving voice to the one dentists that disagrees.

We should treat client change the same way.


I've seen plenty of instances where the 1 is right and the 9 are wrong.

Such as?

What's his name that said the earth orbits the sun instead of the other way around. Nobody believed him in his time and he was executed

Copernicus was not executed. Why do you post so much stuff that's proven false with an easy Google search?
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Gheb
12/11/18 12:15:14 PM
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Zikten posted...
0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Gheb posted...
When 9 out of 10 dentists agree that a toothpaste works. We all accept that as fact and we don't have people giving voice to the one dentists that disagrees.

We should treat client change the same way.


I've seen plenty of instances where the 1 is right and the 9 are wrong.

Such as?

What's his name that said the earth orbits the sun instead of the other way around. Nobody believed him in his time and he was executed

Was it the scientific community who had problems with Copernicus? Or was it a different group of people who disliked what the science said because of the impact it would have on them?
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Zikten
12/11/18 12:16:05 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Zikten posted...
0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Gheb posted...
When 9 out of 10 dentists agree that a toothpaste works. We all accept that as fact and we don't have people giving voice to the one dentists that disagrees.

We should treat client change the same way.


I've seen plenty of instances where the 1 is right and the 9 are wrong.

Such as?

What's his name that said the earth orbits the sun instead of the other way around. Nobody believed him in his time and he was executed

Copernicus was not executed. Why do you post so much stuff that's proven false with an easy Google search?

Because I could swear he was. This is why I sometimes believe in that thing about alernate universes or time travel changes to history. The theory about Berenstien bears
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Antifar
12/11/18 12:17:13 PM
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Because I could swear he was. This is why I sometimes believe in that thing about alernate universes or time travel changes to history. The theory about Berenstien bears

"Maybe I was wrong...or maybe alternate universes caused me to be inaccurate. Who can really say for sure?"
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The23rdMagus
12/11/18 12:19:24 PM
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Gheb posted...
Zikten posted...
0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Gheb posted...
When 9 out of 10 dentists agree that a toothpaste works. We all accept that as fact and we don't have people giving voice to the one dentists that disagrees.

We should treat client change the same way.


I've seen plenty of instances where the 1 is right and the 9 are wrong.

Such as?

What's his name that said the earth orbits the sun instead of the other way around. Nobody believed him in his time and he was executed

Was it the scientific community who had problems with Copernicus? Or was it a different group of people who disliked what the science said because of the impact it would have on them?

The Catholic Church didn't have a problem with Copernicus - they sponsored him! - and his findings were even taught courtesy of the Church.

After his death, the Protestants started denouncing his findings as heresy, and the Church joined in.
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Schwarz
12/11/18 12:21:56 PM
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Antifar posted...

"Maybe I was wrong...or maybe alternate universes caused me to be inaccurate. Who can really say for sure?"

fucking lol
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Kolibri X
12/11/18 12:23:52 PM
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They report, they decide.
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TheRealDill2000
12/11/18 12:27:46 PM
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Why do people continue to buy into "global warming"? It's quite cold now where I am. How does that fit the global warming narrative?
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Anteaterking
12/11/18 12:30:59 PM
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Zikten's willingness to believe anything he reads or hears combined with a tendency to forget where he read or heard it leads to a hodgepodge of assertions grounded in nothing.
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Ryuko_Chan
12/11/18 12:33:37 PM
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Schwarz posted...
Antifar posted...

"Maybe I was wrong...or maybe alternate universes caused me to be inaccurate. Who can really say for sure?"

fucking lol

lol
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Ryuko_Chan
12/11/18 12:34:22 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
Zikten's willingness to believe anything he reads or hears combined with a tendency to forget where he read or heard it leads to a hodgepodge of assertions grounded in nothing.

stfu stop with the personal attacks
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monkmith
12/11/18 12:34:53 PM
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is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?
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Tmaster148
12/11/18 12:35:44 PM
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monkmith posted...
is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?


Being unbias does not mean showing crackpot theories as legitimate.
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hockeybub89
12/11/18 12:35:58 PM
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We need to have people that argue in favor of breathing in asbestos. Really balance the arguments.
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Sexypwnstar
12/11/18 12:36:52 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
Schwarz posted...
Antifar posted...

"Maybe I was wrong...or maybe alternate universes caused me to be inaccurate. Who can really say for sure?"

fucking lol

lol


jesus man I'm trying to study in the library and this is not cool lmfao
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hockeybub89
12/11/18 12:36:53 PM
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monkmith posted...
is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?

This implies there are always exactly 2 equal and opposite arguments on everything.
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monkmith
12/11/18 12:37:16 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
monkmith posted...
is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?


Being unbias does not mean showing crackpot theories as legitimate.

there is no counter argument to climate change that isn't crackpot...
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averagejoel
12/11/18 12:39:30 PM
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monkmith posted...
is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?

they are showing unfair bias in favour of climate change deniers
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Tmaster148
12/11/18 12:41:08 PM
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monkmith posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
monkmith posted...
is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?


Being unbias does not mean showing crackpot theories as legitimate.

there is no counter argument to climate change that isn't crackpot...


I mean. Showing climate change deniers to be present yourself as unbias is not a good way to do so.

I'm just saying in regards to your comment about presenting both sides. Sometimes one side just doesn't deserve air time and not showing it doesn't make you bias.
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Gheb
12/11/18 12:43:12 PM
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monkmith posted...
is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?

You can find scientists who will attest to cigarettes not being that bad for you. Do they deserve airtime if they are reporting on the dangers of cigarettes?
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monkmith
12/11/18 12:43:15 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
monkmith posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
monkmith posted...
is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?


Being unbias does not mean showing crackpot theories as legitimate.

there is no counter argument to climate change that isn't crackpot...


I mean. Showing climate change deniers to be present yourself as unbias is not a good way to do so.

I'm just saying in regards to your comment about presenting both sides. Sometimes one side just doesn't deserve air time and not showing it doesn't make you bias.

news groups need at least the illusion of discussion, otherwise they become fox news.
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monkmith
12/11/18 12:44:02 PM
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Gheb posted...
monkmith posted...
is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?

You can find scientists who will attest to cigarettes not being that bad for you. Do they deserve airtime if they are reporting on the dangers of cigarettes?

...you realize they got plenty of that when it was an actual discussion right?
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averagejoel
12/11/18 12:45:57 PM
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monkmith posted...
Gheb posted...
monkmith posted...
is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?

You can find scientists who will attest to cigarettes not being that bad for you. Do they deserve airtime if they are reporting on the dangers of cigarettes?

...you realize they got plenty of that when it was an actual discussion right?

and climate change deniers have already gotten more than enough airtime
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Tmaster148
12/11/18 12:47:13 PM
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monkmith posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
monkmith posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
monkmith posted...
is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?


Being unbias does not mean showing crackpot theories as legitimate.

there is no counter argument to climate change that isn't crackpot...


I mean. Showing climate change deniers to be present yourself as unbias is not a good way to do so.

I'm just saying in regards to your comment about presenting both sides. Sometimes one side just doesn't deserve air time and not showing it doesn't make you bias.

news groups need at least the illusion of discussion, otherwise they become fox news.


Some things don't deserve a discussion.

There's no good reason to give air time to climate change deniers and focusing the debate on whether or not it exists is a problem.

Good journalism would focus on the fact that climate change is a problem and the steps that can be done about it.

Since basically the entire scientific community agrees it is happening. Also a discussion on whether or not humans are a main cause would also be a waste because it really doesn't matter.
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monkmith
12/11/18 12:47:28 PM
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averagejoel posted...
monkmith posted...
Gheb posted...
monkmith posted...
is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?

You can find scientists who will attest to cigarettes not being that bad for you. Do they deserve airtime if they are reporting on the dangers of cigarettes?

...you realize they got plenty of that when it was an actual discussion right?

and climate change deniers have already gotten more than enough airtime

its still an active discussion (why, i have no idea). you shut out the other side and all you'll do is embolden them.
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hockeybub89
12/11/18 12:47:56 PM
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monkmith posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
monkmith posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
monkmith posted...
is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?


Being unbias does not mean showing crackpot theories as legitimate.

there is no counter argument to climate change that isn't crackpot...


I mean. Showing climate change deniers to be present yourself as unbias is not a good way to do so.

I'm just saying in regards to your comment about presenting both sides. Sometimes one side just doesn't deserve air time and not showing it doesn't make you bias.

news groups need at least the illusion of discussion, otherwise they become fox news.

Then do that where a discussion is warranted. We don't need to give airtime to people arguing in favor of sticking forks in power outlets.
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Antifar
12/11/18 12:48:41 PM
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monkmith posted...
you shut out the other side and all you'll do is embolden them.

Not actually true.
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monkmith
12/11/18 12:51:08 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
monkmith posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
monkmith posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
monkmith posted...
is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?


Being unbias does not mean showing crackpot theories as legitimate.

there is no counter argument to climate change that isn't crackpot...


I mean. Showing climate change deniers to be present yourself as unbias is not a good way to do so.

I'm just saying in regards to your comment about presenting both sides. Sometimes one side just doesn't deserve air time and not showing it doesn't make you bias.

news groups need at least the illusion of discussion, otherwise they become fox news.


Some things don't deserve a discussion.

There's no good reason to give air time to climate change deniers and focusing the debate on whether or not it exists is a problem.

Good journalism would focus on the fact that climate change is a problem and the steps that can be done about it.

Since basically the entire scientific community agrees it is happening. Also a discussion on whether or not humans are a main cause would also be a waste because it really doesn't matter.

simple fact is humans dont change their mind easily, especially on topics they've dug their heels in over. you're not going to change minds by blasting dissenters with the same message over and over, you might change minds by debating the points of both sides of an argument.
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Gheb
12/11/18 12:52:16 PM
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You know what. I would have no problem with CNN giving deniers a voice so long as it was done proportionally with the scientific community. So if they have a climate change denier on, it just needs to be balanced with 99 scientists who believe it's a problem.
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Tmaster148
12/11/18 12:53:18 PM
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monkmith posted...
simple fact is humans dont change their mind easily, especially on topics they've dug their heels in over. you're not going to change minds by blasting dissenters with the same message over and over, you might change minds by debating the points of both sides of an argument.


Or don't empower the stupid side by making their view seem legitimate by treating them the same.

A lot of people believe stupid things but they are irrelevant when no one gives their view any legitimacy.
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hockeybub89
12/11/18 12:53:55 PM
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monkmith posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
monkmith posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
monkmith posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
monkmith posted...
is it odd that people shit on a news station trying to show both sides of a topic? especially when those people claim they show unfair bias?


Being unbias does not mean showing crackpot theories as legitimate.

there is no counter argument to climate change that isn't crackpot...


I mean. Showing climate change deniers to be present yourself as unbias is not a good way to do so.

I'm just saying in regards to your comment about presenting both sides. Sometimes one side just doesn't deserve air time and not showing it doesn't make you bias.

news groups need at least the illusion of discussion, otherwise they become fox news.


Some things don't deserve a discussion.

There's no good reason to give air time to climate change deniers and focusing the debate on whether or not it exists is a problem.

Good journalism would focus on the fact that climate change is a problem and the steps that can be done about it.

Since basically the entire scientific community agrees it is happening. Also a discussion on whether or not humans are a main cause would also be a waste because it really doesn't matter.

simple fact is humans dont change their mind easily, especially on topics they've dug their heels in over. you're not going to change minds by blasting dissenters with the same message over and over, you might change minds by debating the points of both sides of an argument.

>Humans don't change their minds
>A debate will change minds

wut
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monkmith
12/11/18 12:54:16 PM
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Antifar posted...
monkmith posted...
you shut out the other side and all you'll do is embolden them.

Not actually true.

bullshit, look at the history of "oppressed people" and tell me that marginalizing a group doesn't make them more rabid. hell the reason the republican party is the way it is today is because bush Sr. tried to marginalize the more radical elements.
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Gheb
12/11/18 12:55:25 PM
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monkmith posted...
simple fact is humans dont change their mind easily, especially on topics they've dug their heels in over. you're not going to change minds by blasting dissenters with the same message over and over, you might change minds by debating the points of both sides of an argument.


Seeing a 1 on 1 client change debate doesn't persuade dissenters. It just lets them believe that their belief is an equally supported position. When it really isn't.

What it does do is give people who are undecided on the issue the impression that either belief is reasonable. That's bad.
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monkmith
12/11/18 12:55:27 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
>Humans don't change their minds
>A debate will change minds

wut

monkmith posted...
simple fact is humans dont change their mind easily

reading is hard huh?
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monkmith
12/11/18 12:57:46 PM
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Gheb posted...
You know what. I would have no problem with CNN giving deniers a voice so long as it was done proportionally with the scientific community. So if they have a climate change denier on, it just needs to be balanced with 99 scientists who believe it's a problem.

that gets back to my point about drowning out the opposition. discussions are supposed to make you think, not piss you off because you feel like your opinion is being criticized.
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monkmith
12/11/18 1:00:37 PM
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Gheb posted...
monkmith posted...
simple fact is humans dont change their mind easily, especially on topics they've dug their heels in over. you're not going to change minds by blasting dissenters with the same message over and over, you might change minds by debating the points of both sides of an argument.


Seeing a 1 on 1 client change debate doesn't persuade dissenters. It just lets them believe that their belief is an equally supported position. When it really isn't.

What it does do is give people who are undecided on the issue the impression that either belief is reasonable. That's bad.

i'm generally of the opinion that undecided voters are a myth. what you really have are people that just dont give a fuck, and nothing you say will actually change their opinion.

also, they're not watching the news...
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hockeybub89
12/11/18 1:01:24 PM
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monkmith posted...
Gheb posted...
You know what. I would have no problem with CNN giving deniers a voice so long as it was done proportionally with the scientific community. So if they have a climate change denier on, it just needs to be balanced with 99 scientists who believe it's a problem.

that gets back to my point about drowning out the opposition. discussions are supposed to make you think, not piss you off because you feel like your opinion is being criticized.

How will not criticizing someone's opinion persuade them to change that opinion?
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monkmith
12/11/18 1:03:55 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
monkmith posted...
Gheb posted...
You know what. I would have no problem with CNN giving deniers a voice so long as it was done proportionally with the scientific community. So if they have a climate change denier on, it just needs to be balanced with 99 scientists who believe it's a problem.

that gets back to my point about drowning out the opposition. discussions are supposed to make you think, not piss you off because you feel like your opinion is being criticized.

How will not criticizing someone's opinion persuade them to change that opinion?

how about unfairly criticize? lots of people from this discussion will come into it with the opinion that the other side is fucking stupid. if your open an argument with "you're stupid if you dont agree with me", where do you think it will go?
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