Current Events > Why does Nintendo seem to promote Fox as though SF wasn't a one hit wonder

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In promotional content for second/third party games you often see say outfits for Fox right there with Mario. But Star Fox had one defining game and all its entries since then have been ranging from ok to trash
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The first and second games were both good.

He's kinda like that musician that had a good song or two, then made a career out of doing backup vocals in other people's songs.

SNES was good but I mean I really think it is SF64 that Fox has been allowed to ride off of for 2 decades, as much as I like him
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Nintendo has this real problem with making straight-up "good" games for some of their series.

Star Fox is one of those. I know that people gotta try and innovate and all that but kind of like Sonic, if you can't release a good game loved by many after several attempts, maybe it's time to go back to basics and make something that resembles what was loved about it in the first place.

The first thing they need to do to make Star Fox what he used to be is get rid of the Garfield look. He should have a long snout. When they correct that, the rest will come instinctively.

Stuff like Star Fox and Sonic worked because things were simple back then. But I'm pretty sure Nintendo and its subsidiaries made a vastly superior rails shooter in both Sin & Punishment and by a significant margin, Kid Icarus Uprising.

KIU was basically what modern Star Fox should've been, though the weapons would be more space and gun themed. It should've gracefully evolved into something like a Star Wars with animals but yeah they opted to neglect it instead.

Honestly, I think they're pretty rightfully busy with all the super long lasting IPs that are crying for titles with a bit more urgency than Star Fox, since they released Zero not that long ago.
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legendarylemur posted...

It should've gracefully evolved into something like a Star Wars with animals

Indeed. Also doesn't help that they keep reusing "Andross is trying to take over the Lylat System" a half dozen times

That might work with Zelda, but Star Fox could use some actual story progression and world-building
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I want to see KIU on the Switch. Its been awhile since I played it and the 3ds version hurts my hand.

I still like Star Fox.
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I loved the dinosaur one
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But, Nintendo is promoting Fox as a one-hit-wonder. That's why pretty much all the games are just remakes of the SNES or N64 one all over again and again.

furries don't care how good the games were
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legendarylemur posted...

KIU was basically what modern Star Fox should've been, though the weapons would be more space and gun themed. It should've gracefully evolved into something like a Star Wars with animals but yeah they opted to neglect it instead.

Uprising was actually supposed to be a Star Fox game. I forget why they changed it. May have been something like they were hesitant to take Fox out of the Arwing for the land battles.
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Assault and Command are underrated.

Adventures was fun and had an incredible atmosphere, but had no business being a Star Fox game.
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HylianFox posted...

legendarylemur posted...

It should've gracefully evolved into something like a Star Wars with animals

Indeed. Also doesn't help that they keep reusing "Andross is trying to take over the Lylat System" a half dozen times

That might work with Zelda, but Star Fox could use some actual story progression and world-building

They did, but then we got Adventures, Assault, and Command, which have been retconned with Star Fox Zero.

I agree that a Star Fox 64-style railshooter doesn't work these days, not for a full-priced game at least. Star Fox needs to evolve (again).
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Nintendo doesn't take the obvious opportunities right in front of them, what else is new. If they made a StarFox in the vein of FreeSpace it would be record breaking.
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Nintendo won't do anything unless it completely reinvents the wheel every time. They want fresh new gimmicks in every new game they make and won't make any new ones without new gimmicks, Miyamoto himself has said this is why there's been no F Zero game in years and why Star Fox games have been few and far between

https://ew.com/article/2014/06/11/shigeru-miyamoto-star-fox-wii-u/

We worked on some ideas around Star Fox back during the Wii days. But the problem was that we didnt have any new ideas to bring to the game. I wasnt particularly interested in just making another Star Fox game with better graphics and better sound

So yeah, no new gimmicks = no new game for Nintendo fans. Kind of sad really
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GrindcoreShark posted...

Nintendo won't do anything unless it completely reinvents the wheel every time. They want fresh new gimmicks in every new game they make and won't make any new ones without new gimmicks, Miyamoto himself has said this is why there's been no F Zero game in years and why Star Fox games have been few and far between

https://ew.com/article/2014/06/11/shigeru-miyamoto-star-fox-wii-u/

We worked on some ideas around Star Fox back during the Wii days. But the problem was that we didnt have any new ideas to bring to the game. I wasnt particularly interested in just making another Star Fox game with better graphics and better sound

So yeah, no new gimmicks = no new game for Nintendo fans. Kind of sad really

Yeah, and they wonder why people prefer indie games to their idea of 2D Metroid. I'm surprised 2D Mario sells well anymore.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

I'm surprised 2D Mario sells well anymore

Nintendo fans literally rushed out to buy CARDBOARD at a highly inflated price just because it had Nintendo's logo on it. You could sell a bottle of something labeled poison in big bold letters on the front and Nintendo fans would guzzle it down with gusto so long as a Nintendo logo is somewhere on the label

Nintendo fans are the biggest sheep in terms of fanbases
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2D Marios are more for the casuals imo. Just people who don't buy many games and play many games but want something that's heavily accessible. They still sell truckloads so it'd be dumber for Nintendo not to churn them out every now and then.

I'm glad Odyssey is the way it is in comparison
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He rides on both Star Fox 64 and being in Smash Bros 64 which makes him an original rep. Same reason Captain Falcon sticks around.

Star Fox on 3DS flopped. I don't think a rail shooter would be very popular anymore. I guess we'll see how that Star Fox Racing rumor pans out.
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Star Fox 64 is one of the greatest video games ever made.

Assault is a fantastic TPS with one of the best soundtracks in any game ever made.
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Star Fox suffers from being Miyamoto's testing ground. He refuses to make a straight up SF64 style game without adding a gimmick. He doesn't understand that people just want SF64 2,to him it needs to be revolutionary. He only does this with Star Fox which is annoying.
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CM_Ponch posted...

Star Fox suffers from being Miyamoto's testing ground. He refuses to make a straight up SF64 style game without adding a gimmick. He doesn't understand that people just want SF64 2,to him it needs to be revolutionary. He only does this with Star Fox which is annoying.

Dude at least they still make Star Fox games.

When the fuck are they going to make another F-Zero?

clearaflagrantj posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

Star Fox suffers from being Miyamoto's testing ground. He refuses to make a straight up SF64 style game without adding a gimmick. He doesn't understand that people just want SF64 2,to him it needs to be revolutionary. He only does this with Star Fox which is annoying.

Dude at least they still make Star Fox games.

When the fuck are they going to make another F-Zero?

F-Zero got cucked by Mario Kart
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CM_Ponch posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

Star Fox suffers from being Miyamoto's testing ground. He refuses to make a straight up SF64 style game without adding a gimmick. He doesn't understand that people just want SF64 2,to him it needs to be revolutionary. He only does this with Star Fox which is annoying.

Dude at least they still make Star Fox games.

When the fuck are they going to make another F-Zero?

F-Zero got cucked by Mario Kart

Mario Kart fucking sucks.

Racing game for babies.

200 cc feels faster and more insane than most F-Zero games, especially when you add items into the mix.

F-Zero needs to be more than just a racing game. They already got a great template in Cap'n in Smash, so all they need is to make F-Zero a fighting racing game
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200cc is only more "insane" than F zero in that the game is not designed around it. Items also invalidate most skill past a very casual-competitive level. F Zero is about managing a set power bar.
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To be honest I think characters like Fox and Captain Falcon only became popular fighting characters because of the Smash series. Without Smash, they were only a space pilot and driver. Now they shoot laser guns and have falcon punches.
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Blue_Target posted...

To be honest I think characters like Fox and Captain Falcon only became popular fighting characters because of the Smash series. Without Smash, they were only a space pilot and driver. Now they shoot laser guns and have falcon punches.

I do think Smash Bros gives a lot of these older Nintendo franchises more demand than most other dead franchises from over a decade ago. I don't see it as much for any other company. I suppose it's also because Nintendo likes to dig deep with their franchises in general too. There's always a hope that Nintendo will bring something old back.
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Darmik posted...

Blue_Target posted...

To be honest I think characters like Fox and Captain Falcon only became popular fighting characters because of the Smash series. Without Smash, they were only a space pilot and driver. Now they shoot laser guns and have falcon punches.

I do think Smash Bros gives a lot of these older Nintendo franchises more demand than most other dead franchises from over a decade ago. I don't see it as much for any other company. I suppose it's also because Nintendo likes to dig deep with their franchises in general too. There's always a hope that Nintendo will bring something old back.

Like the demand for Mother 3 and Fire Emblem Binding Blade. Surely Nintendo can do something for those fans wanting those games.
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Darmik posted...

Blue_Target posted...

To be honest I think characters like Fox and Captain Falcon only became popular fighting characters because of the Smash series. Without Smash, they were only a space pilot and driver. Now they shoot laser guns and have falcon punches.

I do think Smash Bros gives a lot of these older Nintendo franchises more demand than most other dead franchises from over a decade ago. I don't see it as much for any other company. I suppose it's also because Nintendo likes to dig deep with their franchises in general too. There's always a hope that Nintendo will bring something old back.

Fox's personality came out a bit in Star Fox 64, but Captain Falcon was literally just a single still image in F-Zero X (maybe two images if they had another one in the ending), more or less there just like the rest of the entire cast just to accentuate the comic book universe F-Zero took place in

Also, try being a StarTropics fan who hasn't gotten even a single slight nod to that series across FIVE Smash Bros. games. StarTropics is the most dead Nintendo franchise on the entire planet

1297 spirits and not a single one from StarTropics and they'll include fucking anyone else, it's like Mike Jones got drunk and went on a giant racist ramage and called Donkey Kong the N-word to his face
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The SNES games were legit garbage, but those were SNES titles trying to be 3D for the time. An ugly mess was what they were but they got the job done back in the day.

Star Fox 64 was the peak of the series I agree with that.
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Mach Rider is completely dead too. Which again might be due to Smash Bros?

I suppose I don't see anyone wanting a new Ice Climbers though lol.
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CM_Ponch posted...

He refuses to make a straight up SF64 style game without adding a gimmick. He doesn't understand that people just want SF64 2,to him it needs to be revolutionary. He only does this with Star Fox which is annoying.

I thought this was a pretty well known fact. I don't think it's limited to just SF64 though. He's said it about most of his IPs where he'll always add a new gimmick to well know franchises.
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Crepes posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

He refuses to make a straight up SF64 style game without adding a gimmick. He doesn't understand that people just want SF64 2,to him it needs to be revolutionary. He only does this with Star Fox which is annoying.

I thought this was a pretty well known fact. I don't think it's limited to just SF64 though. He's said it about most of his IPs where he'll always add a new gimmick to well know franchises.

He doesn't say it about Pikmin because he loves Pikmin lol
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Dark_SilverX posted...

The SNES games were legit garbage, but those were SNES titles trying to be 3D for the time. An ugly mess was what they were but they got the job done back in the day.

Star Fox 64 was the peak of the series I agree with that.

Star Fox SNES was surprisingly playable all things considered, even with the terrible framerate and all. It's still remembered to this day for actually taking a risk and being unique, even if it is clunky and weird and aged poorly
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ohnoitschris posted...

Also, try being a StarTropics fan who hasn't gotten even a single slight nod to that series across FIVE Smash Bros. games. StarTropics is the most dead Nintendo franchise on the entire planet

"Never released or intended to be released in Japan"
There's your reason
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Doe posted...

ohnoitschris posted...

Also, try being a StarTropics fan who hasn't gotten even a single slight nod to that series across FIVE Smash Bros. games. StarTropics is the most dead Nintendo franchise on the entire planet

"Never released or intended to be released in Japan"
There's your reason

Yep. Same reason neither Smash or Kid Icarus Uprising ever acknowledged Kid Icarus: Of Myths and Monsters.
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BLAKUboy posted...

legendarylemur posted...

KIU was basically what modern Star Fox should've been, though the weapons would be more space and gun themed. It should've gracefully evolved into something like a Star Wars with animals but yeah they opted to neglect it instead.

Uprising was actually supposed to be a Star Fox game. I forget why they changed it. May have been something like they were hesitant to take Fox out of the Arwing for the land battles.

it wasn't supposed to be, it was just one of the IPs Sakurai was considering
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