Current Events > Wow, the NRA found a way to blame teachers for school shootings

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The parkland shooting panel has proposed that the solution to school shootings is... arming teachers:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/florida-school-massacre-panel-recommends-arming-teachers_us_5c11a81ce4b0835fe3267586

Can't make this shit up.

If this recommendation takes places, if there is another shooting there (hopefully there is no other shooting anywhere!) the NRA and Fox news would point at the teachers to blame then... "not enough teachers chose to be armed! They don't care about our kids!" or "armed teachers were incompetent in protecting our kids".

This suggestion effectively shifts the burder of protecting kids from gun violence to,... teachers. un-fucking-believable

Of course, those teachers would never lose their cool and draw a gun on the kids, much less open fire on them.
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They don't even pay them enough to teach, now they want them to double as body guards? Will the cops refrain from shooting them, unlike all of these other cases of good guys with guns?
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Can you point out where they blamed teachers for the shooting or are you just trying to spin "teachers should be armed as a preventative measure" as "blaming teachers"?

so when another achool shooting happens but the perpetrator is a teacher, how will they spin that out?
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A_Good_Boy posted...

They don't even pay them enough to teach, now they want them to double as body guards? Will the cops refrain from shooting them, unlike all of these other cases of good guys with guns?

Good point. I guess if you're a black teacher, you're "guilty" already, they may as well pre-emptively lock themselves up:

- If they choose not to arm themselves and assume the functions of security guards, they will be pointed at directly when the next tragedy happens

- If they choose to arm themselves and a shooting happens, and they don't act, they will be pointed at directly as cowards who failed

- If they choose to arm themselves and a shooting happens and they decide to be the "good guy with a gun" they will probably be shot by a cop because, you know, "OMG black guy with a gun", this has happened before already

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Can you point out where they blamed teachers for the shooting or are you just trying to spin "teachers should be armed as a preventative measure" as "blaming teachers"?

I weep for your critical thinking skills. It's in post # 1. But you won't find it spelled out. Try to apply critical reasoning. If you still ca't find it after 30 minutes, post here again (not before!) and I will bold the part.

Thompson posted...

Of course, those teachers would never lose their cool and draw a gun on the kids, much less open fire on them.

Yes, actually, ya gosh darn psychopath.
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Ricemills posted...

so when another achool shooting happens but the perpetrator is a teacher, how will they spin that out?

Arm the students to protect themselves from the teachers.
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Coastal_elite posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Can you point out where they blamed teachers for the shooting or are you just trying to spin "teachers should be armed as a preventative measure" as "blaming teachers"?

I weep for your critical thinking skills. It's in post # 1. But you won't find it spelled out. Try to apply critical reasoning. If you still ca't find it after 30 minutes, post here again (not before!) and I will bold the part.

Yeah no, this is the typical defensive response for "I just posted a hot take as fact".

deupd_u posted...

Thompson posted...

Of course, those teachers would never lose their cool and draw a gun on the kids, much less open fire on them.

Yes, actually, ya gosh darn psychopath.

clips of grown teachers fighting (punches to the face and everything) a teen student have been seen before. Guess what would happen if they had a gun?

Don't go around insulting others for free, it makes YOU look like the pychopath, not him

deupd_u posted...

Thompson posted...

Of course, those teachers would never lose their cool and draw a gun on the kids, much less open fire on them.

Yes, actually, ya gosh darn psychopath.

You took that at face value?
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CyricZ posted...

Ricemills posted...

so when another achool shooting happens but the perpetrator is a teacher, how will they spin that out?

Arm the students to protect themselves from the teachers.

lol
but I won't be surprised if this actually happening.
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while im not a fan of more guns in schools, it IS the best solution thus far as far as combating a school shooter.

1. a lot of teachers carry off school premises anyway (i personally know two who do)
2. many teachers are former military and law enforcement
3. police and school resource officers cant be everywhere unless you want to put one in every hallway. much higher chance an armed teacher would be in the same hall in an event even if only 1/10th of the staff was armed.
4. someone would know who the resource officers are and who to target first or plan around them. they might not know which teachers are carrying or how many and which arnt.
5. teachers tend to be more invested in the kids and their students to begin with which means there stands a higher chance they will try to protect them (especially when they tend to be in the line of fire too). legally police have NO obligation to safe you or walk into gun fire for you.

Someone let me know when we start blaming school shooters for school shootings, please.

Thompson posted...

Of course, those teachers would never lose their cool and draw a gun on the kids, much less open fire on them.

they will. just recently was a news story about a teacher that went insane during class and chased students around the room with a pair of scissors and tried to cut people's hair off. the kids had to flee and call for help. now picture if that teacher had been given a gun

First student killed by a teacher and the head of the nra should be charged with murder
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underpaid, overworked, underappreciated, and now expected to lay your life on the line?

expect yet another drop in teachers.
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monkmith posted...

underpaid, overworked, underappreciated, and now expected to lay your life on the line?

if something goes down their life is already on the line. teachers tend to get targeted as much as the students.

Dark_Spiret posted...

monkmith posted...

underpaid, overworked, underappreciated, and now expected to lay your life on the line?

if something goes down their life is already on the line. teachers tend to get targeted as much as the students.

not really, since the common practice now is to shut and lock the damn door. this crap would have teachers searching for the shooters.
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We get a topic about teachers fucking students like twice a month.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Someone let me know when we start blaming school shooters for school shootings, please.

You're gonna be waiting for a very long time.
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Coastal_elite posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Can you point out where they blamed teachers for the shooting or are you just trying to spin "teachers should be armed as a preventative measure" as "blaming teachers"?

I weep for your critical thinking skills. It's in post # 1. But you won't find it spelled out. Try to apply critical reasoning. If you still ca't find it after 30 minutes, post here again (not before!) and I will bold the part.

Yah, you can go ahead and bold it for me. Read the article knowing the topic title was a joke and after reading the article it seems like I was right.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

Ricemills posted...

so when another achool shooting happens but the perpetrator is a teacher, how will they spin that out?

or when a school shooting happens because a student wrests a teacher's gun away from them and uses it to shoot everyone up? that will happen if teachers have to be armed.

This. Get a student pissed off/unstable enough, there's a better than even chance that this will happen, or the teacher will shoot the student, which results in a best case scenario of their intended target being hit.
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So choosing not to own a gun isn't a choice? So much for right to own guns being a freedom. No the NRA want it to be mandatory.

Honestly giving a bunch of over worked and underpaid employees who often strike for better conditions guns? Is that smart?
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1. Give teacher guns to defend against students.

2. One teacher goes amok and shoots students.

3. Give students guns to defend against teachers.

4. MURICA.

creativerealms posted...

So choosing not to own a gun isn't a choice? So much for right to own guns being a freedom. No the NRA want it to be mandatory.

Honestly giving a bunch of over worked and underpaid employees who often strike for better conditions guns? Is that smart?

if the NRA had its way the proper way to greet anyone coming into a room would be to pull your gun and point it at their head.
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monkmith posted...

creativerealms posted...

So choosing not to own a gun isn't a choice? So much for right to own guns being a freedom. No the NRA want it to be mandatory.

Honestly giving a bunch of over worked and underpaid employees who often strike for better conditions guns? Is that smart?

if the NRA had its way the proper way to greet anyone coming into a room would be to pull your gun and point it at their head.

Lol
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As a teacher, I can say this concept is terrifying.
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Thompson posted...

Of course, those teachers would never lose their cool and draw a gun on the kids, much less open fire on them.

its not even about that. they arent trained to deal with those situations.

and you can't be unless in your in the miltary or police.

our country is full of fucking morons making rules ruining it for the rest of us
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As someone who went to public school and got to see teachers being drunk/high during class and/or have mental breakdowns, I'm cool with them not being armed.
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So are teachers going to be paid as highly as cops since they expect teachers to shoot to kill now

Questionmarktarius posted...

Someone let me know when we start blaming school shooters for school shootings, please.

We as in the people? Already there.

'We' as in the stooges in charge and those who profit off gun related tragedy? Wait until the shooter is of a paticular skin tone or religious background.

Otherwise it's a simple mental health problem.

...that 'We' keep making worse by making healthcare more unaffordable. And 'We' want to make it easier for people suffering from issues to buy guns.
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spudger posted...

Thompson posted...

Of course, those teachers would never lose their cool and draw a gun on the kids, much less open fire on them.

its not even about that. they arent trained to deal with those situations.

and you can't be unless in your in the miltary or police.

our country is full of fucking morons making rules ruining it for the rest of us

not really sure you'd want someone trained in the military doing this either. their training mostly focuses on killing anything that could potentially be a threat, and they've got a fairly shoddy record in threat assessment.
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monkmith posted...

spudger posted...

Thompson posted...

Of course, those teachers would never lose their cool and draw a gun on the kids, much less open fire on them.

its not even about that. they arent trained to deal with those situations.

and you can't be unless in your in the miltary or police.

our country is full of fucking morons making rules ruining it for the rest of us

not really sure you'd want someone trained in the military doing this either. their training mostly focuses on killing anything that could potentially be a threat, and they've got a fairly shoddy record in threat assessment.

yep. strengthens my points. its stupid idea from stupid people.
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lmao murica
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QwelzaarKane posted...

As someone who went to public school and got to see teachers being drunk/high during class and/or have mental breakdowns, I'm cool with them not being armed.

That reminds me of our IT guy. I'm pretty sure he was dealing drugs in the school.
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That article ever says NRA or says teachers are to blame. They just said theres a push for more good guys with guns,because it's usually too late by the time cops get there
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

That article ever says NRA or says teachers are to blame. They just said theres a push for more good guys with guns,because it's usually too late by the time cops get there

The cops just shoot the good guys too. So what's the point?
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Whaaaa? I didn't know they just shoot the good guys. What are these people thinking?
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Whaaaa? I didn't know they just shoot the good guys. What are these people thinking?

Yep, not too long ago a good guy with a gun subdued a bad guy with a gun. He was one of the security guards I believe. Then some jerkoff cop came in after the fact and shot the security guard because ???

This, despite the fact that witnesses (and even some of the other police on scene) were yelling that said guard wasn't a bad guy.

And I believe the excuse given out was "Well he told the guard to drop the weapon and get on the ground".... Except the guard was currently restraining the attempted mass shooter so there was no way for him to comply to those orders without risking the lives of everyone.
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KStateKing17 posted...

QwelzaarKane posted...

As someone who went to public school and got to see teachers being drunk/high during class and/or have mental breakdowns, I'm cool with them not being armed.

That reminds me of our IT guy. I'm pretty sure he was dealing drugs in the school.

I wouldn't even smoke at work when I was flipping burgers but if I had to teach at a public high school... probably. But, I also wouldn't want to be given a gun for the most stressful situation a teacher could face on the job if I got high at work.
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Umbreon posted...

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Whaaaa? I didn't know they just shoot the good guys. What are these people thinking?

Yep, not too long ago a good guy with a gun subdued a bad guy with a gun. He was one of the security guards I believe. Then some jerkoff cop came in after the fact and shot the security guard because ???

This, despite the fact that witnesses (and even some of the other police on scene) were yelling that said guard wasn't a bad guy.

And I believe the excuse given out was "Well he told the guard to drop the weapon and get on the ground".... Except the guard was currently restraining the attempted mass shooter so there was no way for him to comply to those orders without risking the lives of everyone.

Wasn't the guard black?
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Foppe posted...

Umbreon posted...

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Whaaaa? I didn't know they just shoot the good guys. What are these people thinking?

Yep, not too long ago a good guy with a gun subdued a bad guy with a gun. He was one of the security guards I believe. Then some jerkoff cop came in after the fact and shot the security guard because ???

This, despite the fact that witnesses (and even some of the other police on scene) were yelling that said guard wasn't a bad guy.

And I believe the excuse given out was "Well he told the guard to drop the weapon and get on the ground".... Except the guard was currently restraining the attempted mass shooter so there was no way for him to comply to those orders without risking the lives of everyone.

Wasn't the guard black?

I believe so.
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This whole topic is like someone is using an AI bot to argue using the lowest quality of liberal logic imaginable.

Acting like the schools are going to have a big barrel of guns in the teacher lounge to hand out to all teachers

Acting like no evaluation or training or background check would be required

Acting like if a teacher wanted to shoot students they couldnt already bring a gun in as someone who would raise the absolute LEAST amount of suspicion

Acting like it would be more than a couple teachers per school that would volunteer

If my kid was in a school he would be one of many fish in the barrel. Would be nice if a few fish in that barrel could shoot back. I would prefer that over students and teachers waiting patiently for the bullet meant for them.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Teachers are working second jobs just to afford rent, now they have to become
proficient marksmen because the government doesnt give a shit to actually protect them. Genius.

Fuck the NRA.

Better than the half ass solutions the fuckwad bleeding hearts come up with.
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Guaranteed a teacher shooting and killing a teacher would happen before a teacher saves students from a mass shooting.
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