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CruelBuffalo
12/18/18 6:49:28 PM
#51:


s0nicfan posted...
GoodOlJr posted...
Rogan just agrees with any guest that's smarter than him


And even then most of the time its not outright agreement and more (real or feigned) awe because he's good at conducting interviews. Lots of "oh wows" or "are you serious?" or other mind=blown responses.


define good at conducting interviews...just letting people spout bs isnt a good interviewer
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NinjaWarrior455
12/18/18 6:53:51 PM
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wronganswerfool posted...
Why are we making topics about shit that random idiots on Resetera say?

Who cares?

Cause I want to be ANGRY and direct my ANGER towards the SJW socialist libCUCKS!!!
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Doom_Art
12/18/18 6:54:59 PM
#53:


CruelBuffalo posted...
define good at conducting interviews...just letting people spout bs isnt a good interviewer

Yeah I don't dislike Rogan but I'd hardly classify him as a good interviewer
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ohnoitschris
12/18/18 6:57:16 PM
#54:


averagejoel posted...
I don't particularly care if he's alt-right or not. he's a shitty person for giving platforms to other shitty people and honestly he doesn't get nearly enough flack for it


I really don't get this mindset at all

If you don't give platforms to bad people, you don't let them expose themselves for who they are, and then they can claim they're being suppressed and actually look good

Meanwhile, Rogan has Gavin McInnes on, and then Gavin ends up mentioning how he enjoys fucking drunk driving and how it's really not a problem (WHAT THE FUCK)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frVdO2E5x4Y" data-time="&start=8610


If you wanna discredit someone and point out what a ridiculous person they are, the most effective tool is to just point out something ludicrous they've said. Just banging your drum and saying GAVIN BAD BOO HOO will just backfire to anyone outside of your own circle

edit: if the timestamp doesn't work for some reason, it's at 2:23:30
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CruelBuffalo
12/18/18 6:58:56 PM
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I dont really have a strong opinion on Joe Rogan. Dont care about him. I am curious about the correlation of people who get opinions from south park and the people who get their opinions from Rogan
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averagejoel
12/18/18 6:59:42 PM
#56:


ohnoitschris posted...
If you wanna discredit someone and point out what a ridiculous person they are, the most effective tool is to just point out something ludicrous they've said. Just banging your drum and saying GAVIN BAD BOO HOO will just backfire to anyone outside of your own circle

this is not the same thing as interviewing them directly and airing the interview more or less unedited
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CruelBuffalo
12/18/18 6:59:53 PM
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ohnoitschris posted...
averagejoel posted...
I don't particularly care if he's alt-right or not. he's a shitty person for giving platforms to other shitty people and honestly he doesn't get nearly enough flack for it


I really don't get this mindset at all

If you don't give platforms to bad people, you don't let them expose themselves for who they are, and then they can claim they're being suppressed and actually look good

Meanwhile, Rogan has Gavin McInnes on, and then Gavin ends up mentioning how he enjoys fucking drunk driving and how it's really not a problem (WHAT THE FUCK)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frVdO2E5x4Y" data-time="&start=8610


If you wanna discredit someone and point out what a ridiculous person they are, the most effective tool is to just point out something ludicrous they've said. Just banging your drum and saying GAVIN BAD BOO HOO will just backfire to anyone outside of your own circle

edit: if the timestamp doesn't work for some reason, it's at 2:23:30


Milo has been de-platformed and his shit got wrecked. Its not looking like info wars going down as well
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Doom_Art
12/18/18 7:00:18 PM
#58:


ohnoitschris posted...
If you don't give platforms to bad people, you don't let them expose themselves for who they are, and then they can claim they're being suppressed and actually look good

If someone doesn't know that nationalism and xenophobia and other altright shit is bad and needs to have it spelled out for them then they're fucking morons
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averagejoel
12/18/18 7:04:59 PM
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also:

ohnoitschris posted...
If you don't give platforms to bad people, you don't let them expose themselves for who they are, and then they can claim they're being suppressed and actually look good


Donald Trump became president of the US, due in no small part to people doing this

contrast Milo Yiannopoulos, who got deplatformed and basically fell off the face of the earth
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TheMikh
12/18/18 7:08:43 PM
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Jordan Peterson: centrist liberal
Eric Weinstein: centrist liberal
Ben Shapiro: zionist neocon
Dave Rubin: centrist liberal
Joe Rogan: center-left
Sam Harirs: zionist neocon

Not a single alt-righter in that photo.
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s0nicfan
12/18/18 7:14:35 PM
#61:


CruelBuffalo posted...
s0nicfan posted...
GoodOlJr posted...
Rogan just agrees with any guest that's smarter than him


And even then most of the time its not outright agreement and more (real or feigned) awe because he's good at conducting interviews. Lots of "oh wows" or "are you serious?" or other mind=blown responses.


define good at conducting interviews...just letting people spout bs isnt a good interviewer


He's good in that he doesn't walk all over his guests. A pet peeve of mine is someone that does interviews and then talks through most of it.

He also calls people out like you would prefer. If you actually listen to his Alex Jones interview he keeps him from jumping topics without providing more detail and repeatedly tells Jones "you can't just say that" when he makes some crazy claim.
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Blue_Dream87
12/18/18 7:14:36 PM
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Yeah this whole "let them talk and expose themselves" thing doesn't work. As said, Milo got deposed once everyone got sick of his shit and silenced him.
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TheMikh
12/18/18 7:17:27 PM
#63:


Blue_Dream87 posted...
He's not alt-right he's just at the farthest end of the "centrism" to alt-right/lite pipeline

I'd consider the alt-light / alt-right demarcation line to be Molyneux or Hoppe.

Meanwhile, the centrist / alt-light demarcation line is probably Cernovich.
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ChainedRedone
12/18/18 7:21:20 PM
#64:


TheMikh posted...
Sam Harirs: zionist neocon


Why do people say this about Sam Harris? He supports liberal policies like drug decriminalization, gay marriage, and support Hillary over Trump in the election. How is he a neocon?
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Blue_Dream87
12/18/18 7:21:45 PM
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TheMikh posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
He's not alt-right he's just at the farthest end of the "centrism" to alt-right/lite pipeline

I'd consider the alt-light / alt-right demarcation line to be Molyneux or Hoppe.

Meanwhile, the centrist / alt-light demarcation line is probably Cernovich.


I feel glad that I avoid those types and never fell further in than some r/TiA or Sargon of Akkad
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Alphamon
12/18/18 7:22:07 PM
#66:


Ben may as well be alt-right. The differences between a standard Republican and one is marginal.

https://www.creators.com/read/ben-shapiro/07/10/obamas-race-war
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50Blessings
12/18/18 7:23:14 PM
#67:


I really hope that the people ITT saying Rogan is a bad interviewer aren't the same ones who said that Ethan was a good interviewer in those H3H3 Podcast Sucks topics.
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MC_BatCommander
12/18/18 7:24:13 PM
#68:


50Blessings posted...
I really hope that the people ITT saying Rogan is a bad interviewer aren't the same ones who said that Ethan was a good interviewer in those H3H3 Podcast Sucks topics.


There's no way people think Ethan is a good interviewer, he's awful.
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SonyFan462
12/18/18 7:24:35 PM
#69:


Who cares though? Guy makes a great channel.
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50Blessings
12/18/18 7:25:27 PM
#70:


MC_BatCommander posted...
There's no way people think Ethan is a good interviewer, he's awful.


I might have seen it on Kiwifarms, I can't remember where but I've seen a few people say it and it always makes me laugh.
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D-Lo_BrownTown
12/18/18 7:26:06 PM
#71:


"Giving them a platform to hang themselves doesn't work! And the time it did work? That wasn't the *actual* reason they went down!!!"
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Evolician
12/18/18 7:27:45 PM
#72:


Joe is a bad person for talking to people?

Whats wrong with a little dialogue
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Sativa_Rose
12/18/18 7:28:12 PM
#73:


ChainedRedone posted...
TheMikh posted...
Sam Harirs: zionist neocon


Why do people say this about Sam Harris? He supports liberal policies like drug decriminalization, gay marriage, and support Hillary over Trump in the election. How is he a neocon?


Because he doesn't 100% tow the leftist line on Israel. Even though he has said that he wants the Israeli settlers dragged by their ears out of the settlements, that's not enough for the leftists. If you aren't calling Israel a completely evil and genocidal state, that's not good enough for them.
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Southernfatman
12/18/18 7:29:31 PM
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Joe just wants the views and clicks for his show and having controversial guests helps with that. He shouldn't give assholes a platform, but calling him alt-right is stupid.
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TheMikh
12/18/18 7:36:40 PM
#75:


Blue_Dream87 posted...
TheMikh posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
He's not alt-right he's just at the farthest end of the "centrism" to alt-right/lite pipeline

I'd consider the alt-light / alt-right demarcation line to be Molyneux or Hoppe.

Meanwhile, the centrist / alt-light demarcation line is probably Cernovich.


I feel glad that I avoid those types and never fell further in than some r/TiA or Sargon of Akkad

Sargon is pretty centrist. Not acquainted with TiA, but I'm not a Redditor.

It's useful to be acquainted with the full spectrum of ideas, from fringe left to fringe right, libertarian to authoritarian, and the nuances that lie therein between them. Every position on the proverbial multidimensional spectrum offers its own insightful critiques of other positions. Every position has its own sacred cows that it's completely blind to. Every position that's managed to have been applied in some form or another can even be empirically analyzed.

Plus you can talk to and debate with anyone at some semblance of depth on their views, reframe your ideas using the terminology of other ideologies to be more persuasive, and change the course of discussion by insiders.

With the ideological polarization problem we're experiencing, it's the only way to build bridges.
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Blue_Dream87
12/18/18 7:38:51 PM
#76:


Itd be nice to have free time to dive into different groups, but I ain't got time for that shit anymore. I'll just read trolls on CE misrepresent positions lol
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TheMikh
12/18/18 7:39:54 PM
#77:


ChainedRedone posted...
TheMikh posted...
Sam Harirs: zionist neocon


Why do people say this about Sam Harris? He supports liberal policies like drug decriminalization, gay marriage, and support Hillary over Trump in the election. How is he a neocon?

Evangelical subset aside, Neocons can actually be pretty libertarian. They just have an irrational tendency to support Israel and advocate American involvement in foreign conflicts. It's bizarre, but I suppose I don't know them well enough to explain why their foreign policy is so horrid.
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Alphamon
12/18/18 7:41:44 PM
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I take it most people don't know what a neocon actually is.

If you think John Bolton is one....yeah, you don't know what a neocon is and its just a buzzword for you
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SaithSayer
12/18/18 7:42:29 PM
#79:


Fuck arguing about politics and giving a shit about the views of people who aren't politicians.
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Intro2Logic
12/18/18 7:44:28 PM
#80:


Alphamon posted...
I take it most people don't know what a neocon actually is.

If you think John Bolton is one....yeah, you don't know what a neocon is and its just a buzzword for you

I'm curious why you think he isn't.
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Sativa_Rose
12/18/18 7:44:57 PM
#81:


Alphamon posted...
I take it most people don't know what a neocon actually is.

If you think John Bolton is one....yeah, you don't know what a neocon is and its just a buzzword for you


Yes, neocon has become a slur and has lost most of its connection to the original neoconservative thinkers like Irving Kristol.
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Alphamon
12/18/18 7:48:16 PM
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Intro2Logic posted...
Alphamon posted...
I take it most people don't know what a neocon actually is.

If you think John Bolton is one....yeah, you don't know what a neocon is and its just a buzzword for you

I'm curious why you think he isn't.

A big part of neoconservatism is about spreading democracy. Bolton has no interest in that and just wants to bomb people.
Bolton is actually more alt-right than neocon.
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tommybel89
12/18/18 7:49:49 PM
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TC is a legit idiot.
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TheMikh
12/18/18 7:50:05 PM
#84:


SaithSayer posted...
**** arguing about politics and giving a **** about the views of people who aren't politicians.

Politicians represent the lowest common denominator of political and economic theory, and the very narrow portion of the ideological spectrum that a given society's political system and discourse exists within.

It's once you take a big step outside the overton window that things get interesting and even begin to make sense.
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TheMikh
12/18/18 8:04:17 PM
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Alphamon posted...
Intro2Logic posted...
Alphamon posted...
I take it most people don't know what a neocon actually is.

If you think John Bolton is one....yeah, you don't know what a neocon is and its just a buzzword for you

I'm curious why you think he isn't.

A big part of neoconservatism is about spreading democracy. Bolton has no interest in that and just wants to bomb people.
Bolton is actually more alt-right than neocon.

The alternative right most loosely refers to the right-wing ideologies pushed from mainstream discourse by the New Right in the 1960s (namely the Old Right, Objectivists, Birchers, and White Supremacists) and their descendants (Paleocons, Paleolibertarians, assorted Patriot groups, and the "Alt-Right" as it has been known since 2016). The New Right seems to have gradually morphed into Neoconservatism.

Bolton's ideological genealogy does not match any of these outside groups, as far as I know - and given his affiliation with the known Neoconservative think tank American Enterprise Institute, I really see no reason why he cannot be labeled as such.
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SunburnCostanza
12/18/18 8:06:21 PM
#86:


TheMikh posted...
Jordan Peterson: centrist liberal
Eric Weinstein: centrist liberal
Ben Shapiro: zionist neocon
Dave Rubin: fucking idiot
Joe Rogan: center-left
Sam Harirs: zionist neocon

Not a single alt-righter in that photo.


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Alphamon
12/18/18 8:10:52 PM
#87:


TheMikh posted...
The alternative right most loosely refers to the right-wing ideologies pushed from mainstream discourse by the New Right in the 1960s (namely the Old Right, Objectivists, Birchers, and White Supremacists) and their descendants (Paleocons, (Paleo)libertarians, assorted Patriot groups, and the "Alt-Right" as it has been known since 2016). The New Right seems to have gradually morphed into Neoconservatism.

Bolton's ideological genealogy does not match any of these outside groups, as far as I know - and given his affiliation with the known Neoconservative think tank American Enterprise Institute, I really see no reason why he cannot be labeled as such.

Absolutely his ideology does. Bolton is also known for pushing and defending conspiracies about Muslim populations in the US and Europe.

Michelle Bachmann accuses Huma Abedin of being a member of the Muslim Brotherhood? That's just one example.

He's associated with Neocons yes. But he doesn't fall into their ideology.
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TheRealDill2000
12/18/18 8:12:35 PM
#88:


ohnoitschris posted...
Meanwhile, Rogan has Gavin McInnes on, and then Gavin ends up mentioning how he enjoys fucking drunk driving and how it's really not a problem (WHAT THE FUCK)

This Gavin guy seems pretty reasonable. It sounds like he needs a larger platform.
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MC_BatCommander
12/18/18 8:14:07 PM
#89:


TheRealDill2000 posted...
ohnoitschris posted...
Meanwhile, Rogan has Gavin McInnes on, and then Gavin ends up mentioning how he enjoys fucking drunk driving and how it's really not a problem (WHAT THE FUCK)

This Gavin guy seems pretty reasonable. It sounds like he needs a larger platform.


too obvious, try dialing it back a bit
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Comfy_Pillow
12/18/18 8:14:25 PM
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How delusional do you have to be to think rogan is alt-right?
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NeonOctopus
12/18/18 8:15:30 PM
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TheRealDill2000
12/18/18 8:17:56 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
TheRealDill2000 posted...
ohnoitschris posted...
Meanwhile, Rogan has Gavin McInnes on, and then Gavin ends up mentioning how he enjoys fucking drunk driving and how it's really not a problem (WHAT THE FUCK)

This Gavin guy seems pretty reasonable. It sounds like he needs a larger platform.


too obvious, try dialing it back a bit

Drinking and driving is often a victimless crime. We're overly harsh with punishing that behavior.
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Collat
12/18/18 8:19:59 PM
#93:


If people don't knock that shit off, they'll be stuck with Trump for 8 years.
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bobbysjoby
12/18/18 8:20:31 PM
#94:


Blablabla he speaks to right wing ppl sometimes, dude is alt right af
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TheRealDill2000
12/18/18 8:22:07 PM
#95:


Collat posted...
If people don't knock that shit off, they'll be stuck with Trump for 8 years.

You say that like it's a bad thing.
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bobbysjoby
12/18/18 8:23:24 PM
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Only thing that triggers Rogan fr fr is of his guest says something anti weed, then he starts calling them bitches and pussies and starts bullying them
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Grischnak
12/18/18 8:34:41 PM
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bobbysjoby posted...
Only thing that triggers Rogan fr fr is of his guest says something anti weed, then he starts calling them bitches and pussies and starts bullying them


Flat earthers also trigger him.
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FrisbeeDude
12/18/18 8:56:51 PM
#98:


Alphamon posted...
Ben may as well be alt-right. The differences between a standard Republican and one is marginal.

https://www.creators.com/read/ben-shapiro/07/10/obamas-race-war

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FursonaNonGrata
12/18/18 8:59:39 PM
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All I will say about Joe Rogan is that he is a dipshits dipshit.
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Powdered_Toast
12/18/18 9:57:33 PM
#100:


ohnoitschris posted...
averagejoel posted...
I don't particularly care if he's alt-right or not. he's a shitty person for giving platforms to other shitty people and honestly he doesn't get nearly enough flack for it


I really don't get this mindset at all

If you don't give platforms to bad people, you don't let them expose themselves for who they are, and then they can claim they're being suppressed and actually look good

Meanwhile, Rogan has Gavin McInnes on, and then Gavin ends up mentioning how he enjoys fucking drunk driving and how it's really not a problem (WHAT THE FUCK)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frVdO2E5x4Y" data-time="&start=8610


If you wanna discredit someone and point out what a ridiculous person they are, the most effective tool is to just point out something ludicrous they've said. Just banging your drum and saying GAVIN BAD BOO HOO will just backfire to anyone outside of your own circle

edit: if the timestamp doesn't work for some reason, it's at 2:23:30

I'm not familiar at all with this guy but this does a pretty good job at making me think he's an idiot.
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