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tremain07
12/27/18 4:42:46 PM
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That question - Results (31 votes)
Trump
61.29% (19 votes)
19
Democrats
38.71% (12 votes)
12
I honestly believe the Democrats will cave, all republicans have to do is hit the airwaves blaming them for prioritizing criminals and foreigners instead of americans and even sites like CNN and MSNBC will start talking about how such a thing could negatively impact Democratic desires to oust Trump in 2020 which will scare the hell out of Progressive Democrats as they demand that polosi and schumer end the shutdown now, at first they'll try to do it by offering full funding for the wall in exchange for something environmental, healthcare related or tax related, Mconnell won't bring it to the floor, Republicans and Trump will talk about how unfair the bill is and Dems will be forced to remove that for another more easy to ignore or gut to pieces promise for Republicans to backstab them on and it'll pass and Republicans will talk about how fair and generous they were with Democrats who selfishly held the country hostage for criminals.
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Giant_Aspirin
12/27/18 4:51:42 PM
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omg at that being one long sentence
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wackyteen
12/27/18 4:53:07 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
omg at that being one long sentence

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Krojen
12/27/18 4:54:53 PM
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wackyteen posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
omg at that being one long sentence

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Giant_Aspirin
12/27/18 4:56:32 PM
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most Americans would rather spend the money on things that actually help the country

https://www.businessinsider.com/government-shutdown-poll-ocasio-cortez-ideas-for-trump-border-wall-money-2018-12

the Dems know this and aren't going to cave. they'll let Trump continue to throw his little tantrum
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TomNook20
12/27/18 4:57:34 PM
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tremain07
12/27/18 4:57:55 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
most Americans would rather spend the money on things that actually help the country

https://www.businessinsider.com/government-shutdown-poll-ocasio-cortez-ideas-for-trump-border-wall-money-2018-12

the Dems know this and aren't going to cave. they'll let Trump continue to throw his little tantrum

Most Americans would rather spend their own money rather than give it to the government and lol at posting anything from cortex
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Genocet_10-325
12/27/18 4:58:44 PM
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Trump. With control of the house, the dems no longer have a reason to give Trump anything.
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TheTrueAmerican
12/27/18 4:59:13 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
most Americans would rather spend the money on things that actually help the country

https://www.businessinsider.com/government-shutdown-poll-ocasio-cortez-ideas-for-trump-border-wall-money-2018-12

the Dems know this and aren't going to cave. they'll let Trump continue to throw his little tantrum


Like a wall to keep the illegals out. You don't actually think they're not a burden on tax payers do you?
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Smashingpmkns
12/27/18 5:00:47 PM
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This shut down will ultimately effect Trump's approval ratings more than anything else. Theres no reason for the dems to give in.
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Ray_Dorset
12/27/18 5:01:40 PM
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TheTrueAmerican posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
most Americans would rather spend the money on things that actually help the country

https://www.businessinsider.com/government-shutdown-poll-ocasio-cortez-ideas-for-trump-border-wall-money-2018-12

the Dems know this and aren't going to cave. they'll let Trump continue to throw his little tantrum


Like a wall to keep the illegals out. You don't actually think they're not a burden on tax payers do you?


If we're boiling it down to tax burdens, let's wall off the southern states too.
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Kavatar
12/27/18 5:02:09 PM
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Trump already took ownership of the shutdown, and Democrats get the House next year. Why on earth would they cave?
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Giant_Aspirin
12/27/18 5:02:27 PM
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tremain07 posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
most Americans would rather spend the money on things that actually help the country

https://www.businessinsider.com/government-shutdown-poll-ocasio-cortez-ideas-for-trump-border-wall-money-2018-12

the Dems know this and aren't going to cave. they'll let Trump continue to throw his little tantrum

Most Americans would rather spend their own money rather than give it to the government and lol at posting anything from cortex


i dont understand the first part of your comment.

as for the "cortex" thing, i assume you mean because the article mentions Ocasio-Cortez. she proposed a number of alternative things we could spend $5B on and a poll indicated that people would prefer those other things versus Trump's wall. i mean, i get it, you ravenously hate Ocasio and everything she stands for, but that doesn't really take away from the point that most Americans don't want Trump's idiotic wall.
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Damn_Underscore
12/27/18 5:02:34 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
omg at that being one long sentence


lol
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Giant_Aspirin
12/27/18 5:03:44 PM
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TheTrueAmerican posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
most Americans would rather spend the money on things that actually help the country

https://www.businessinsider.com/government-shutdown-poll-ocasio-cortez-ideas-for-trump-border-wall-money-2018-12

the Dems know this and aren't going to cave. they'll let Trump continue to throw his little tantrum


Like a wall to keep the illegals out. You don't actually think they're not a burden on tax payers do you?


no, the article specifically says that we would prefer those other things to the wall.

undocumented immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits. so yeah i think that.
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Webmaster4531
12/27/18 5:05:29 PM
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Let's just put TC's text wall on the border.
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Ambience
12/27/18 5:18:43 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
This shut down will ultimately effect Trump's approval ratings more than anything else. Theres no reason for the dems to give in.

They already have. He's at post Charlottesville level, lmao
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Dampproof
12/27/18 5:19:53 PM
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This shutdown occurred with Trump controlling all three branches of government and couldn't reach an agreement with BOTH sides.

He was filmed on national TV saying that he would own this shutdown.

Nothing about this is even remotely on the Dems. This is all for Trumps vanity project and his temper tantrum is hurting Republicans as much as Democrats.
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josifrees
12/27/18 5:21:16 PM
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Democrats are spineless cowards. The fact that havent folded like a house of cards already is a surprise
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ElatedVenusaur
12/27/18 5:25:27 PM
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Kavatar posted...
Trump already took ownership of the shutdown, and Democrats get the House next year. Why on earth would they cave?

Because Schumer is a sniveling collaborationist coward?
Fortunately, Pelosi is made of sterner stuff(whatever else you may think of her.) I would expect the new House will immediately pass a "clean" continuing resolution and dare Majority Leader McConnell to ignore it. Then they'll get down to passing popular bills that don't have a chance in the Senate(some of which Speaker Pelosi will memory-hole in the event of Democratic victory in 2020).
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Detective_pika
12/27/18 5:27:46 PM
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Kavatar posted...
Trump already took ownership of the shutdown, and Democrats get the House next year. Why on earth would they cave?


Never underestimate the Democrats willingness or ability to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory
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sktgamer_13dude
12/27/18 5:29:10 PM
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TheTrueAmerican posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
most Americans would rather spend the money on things that actually help the country

https://www.businessinsider.com/government-shutdown-poll-ocasio-cortez-ideas-for-trump-border-wall-money-2018-12

the Dems know this and aren't going to cave. they'll let Trump continue to throw his little tantrum


Like a wall to keep the illegals out. You don't actually think they're not a burden on tax payers do you?

A wall wont stop illegal immigration.
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Detective_pika
12/27/18 5:31:13 PM
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@Ambience posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
This shut down will ultimately effect Trump's approval ratings more than anything else. Theres no reason for the dems to give in.

They already have. He's at post Charlottesville level, lmao


Can you help an old detective pikachu with a link to read more on that? :)
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Tyranthraxus
12/27/18 5:31:15 PM
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Once the new congress is sworn in they will go for an override. They already passed a bill with a huge amount of support--not quite 2/3rds but when the sequester hits like a truck they will have no choice but to pass something and pass it with a lot of votes.
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Ray_Dorset
12/27/18 5:32:52 PM
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Detective_pika posted...
@Ambience posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
This shut down will ultimately effect Trump's approval ratings more than anything else. Theres no reason for the dems to give in.

They already have. He's at post Charlottesville level, lmao


Can you help an old detective pikachu with a link to read more on that? :)


https://www.vox.com/2018/12/27/18157448/government-shutdown-trump-poll-approval
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Detective_pika
12/27/18 5:36:42 PM
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Ray_Dorset posted...
Detective_pika posted...
@Ambience posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
This shut down will ultimately effect Trump's approval ratings more than anything else. Theres no reason for the dems to give in.

They already have. He's at post Charlottesville level, lmao


Can you help an old detective pikachu with a link to read more on that? :)


https://www.vox.com/2018/12/27/18157448/government-shutdown-trump-poll-approval


Lmao

Youre a good man, thanks ray
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TheTrueAmerican
12/27/18 6:43:46 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
TheTrueAmerican posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
most Americans would rather spend the money on things that actually help the country

https://www.businessinsider.com/government-shutdown-poll-ocasio-cortez-ideas-for-trump-border-wall-money-2018-12

the Dems know this and aren't going to cave. they'll let Trump continue to throw his little tantrum


Like a wall to keep the illegals out. You don't actually think they're not a burden on tax payers do you?

A wall wont stop illegal immigration.


Why did Cryin' Chuck sign off on 35 billion dollars for his home land then? Seems like the money flows when it isn't for America.
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Ray_Dorset
12/27/18 6:46:30 PM
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TheTrueAmerican posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
TheTrueAmerican posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
most Americans would rather spend the money on things that actually help the country

https://www.businessinsider.com/government-shutdown-poll-ocasio-cortez-ideas-for-trump-border-wall-money-2018-12

the Dems know this and aren't going to cave. they'll let Trump continue to throw his little tantrum


Like a wall to keep the illegals out. You don't actually think they're not a burden on tax payers do you?

A wall wont stop illegal immigration.


Why did Cryin' Chuck sign off on 35 billion dollars for his home land then? Seems like the money flows when it isn't for America.


What are you talking about? Not that I'm taking you seriously or anything.
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