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Balrog0 05/16/19 5:56:48 PM #104:	KILBOTz posted... Balrog0 posted... KILBOTz posted... So I think this illustrates part of my problem. I grew up in a poor rural area. It was western Washington so property values were still ok, crime was low, vacancy rate was low, but lots of poverty and very much a dying community that could use help, but rural areas are ignored for inner city issues. If they tracked substance abuse or something Im sure my area would have scored very highly. But they were selective in the criteria that identify oppression and they have groups they are targeting and ignoring based on their criteria. Rural poverty is understudied compared to urban poverty, but this mostly seems like sour grapes, since these metrics would indeed give you and your community additional points. You're just saying you think it isn't enough. But what is that based on? What if, instead, it's actually true that rural poverty has less of a negative impact than urban poverty specifically because of mitigating factors like relatively high housing values and low crime rates? It's kind of like you're implying those things don't matter because something else might matter... But I think the linkages between these metrics are fairly well-established, while local addiction rates are not. Or, to the extent that they are, you can capture their impact with the other metrics provided... Sure, theres an element of sour grapes. I, like most people who grew up in the country, was told there is no future in the country, that the communities are dying and if youre smart you would move to the city. I just want the dying community I came from to be given the same consideration as other communities suffering. Instead we are treated like a blight that deserves to be eradicated. It's not about your community or theirs for that matter. It's about the individuals coming from those communities and how those localities have different structural barriers. The problem rural communities have is more about brain drain than about an inability for individuals to obtain an education, not that that's meaningless. Sounds like this is entirely sour grapes and not even in an understandable way, you've really got to stretch to read this as bad for rural communities lol --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:921987739] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote>So I think this illustrates part of my problem. I grew up in a poor rural area. It was western Washington so property values were still ok, crime was low, vacancy rate was low, but lots of poverty and very much a dying community that could use help, but rural areas are ignored for inner city issues. If they tracked substance abuse or something Im sure my area would have scored very highly. But they were selective in the criteria that identify oppression and they have groups they are targeting and ignoring based on their criteria.</quote> Rural poverty is understudied compared to urban poverty, but this mostly seems like sour grapes, since these metrics would indeed give you and your community additional points. You're just saying you think it isn't enough. But what is that based on? What if, instead, it's actually true that rural poverty has less of a negative impact than urban poverty specifically because of mitigating factors like relatively high housing values and low crime rates? It's kind of like you're implying those things don't matter because something else might matter... But I think the linkages between these metrics are fairly well-established, while local addiction rates are not. Or, to the extent that they are, you can capture their impact with the other metrics provided...</quote> Sure, theres an element of sour grapes. I, like most people who grew up in the country, was told there is no future in the country, that the communities are dying and if youre smart you would move to the city. I just want the dying community I came from to be given the same consideration as other communities suffering. Instead we are treated like a blight that deserves to be eradicated.</quote> It's not about your community or theirs for that matter. It's about the individuals coming from those communities and how those localities have different structural barriers. The problem rural communities have is more about brain drain than about an inability for individuals to obtain an education, not that that's meaningless. Sounds like this is entirely sour grapes and not even in an understandable way, you've really got to stretch to read this as bad for rural communities lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 05/16/19 6:13:29 PM #105:	Sounds like this just a way for schools to circumvent their discriminatory (most notably against Asians) admission policies that they've gotten flak for. Now they can just say "Well, this student's standard SAT score isn't that great, but their SJW score is through the roof so we'll let them in." --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:921988466] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote>Sounds like this just a way for schools to circumvent their discriminatory (most notably against Asians) admission policies that they've gotten flak for. Now they can just say "Well, this student's standard SAT score isn't that great, but their SJW score is through the roof so we'll let them in."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0xDEFECADE 05/16/19 6:20:16 PM #106:	MetalGearSquid posted... This is so dumb >_> --- 1101 1110 1111 1110 1100 1010 1101 1110 <cite>0xDEFECADE posted [p:921988736] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>MetalGearSquid posted...</cite> <quote>This is so dumb >_></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hanky_Bannister 05/16/19 6:40:22 PM #107:	Sounds iffy --- "3rd Best Whiskey in Northern Burma" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvjOu4EzjYg <cite>Hanky_Bannister posted [p:921989495] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote>Sounds iffy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Houston 05/16/19 6:52:23 PM #108:	Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do. Scary shit. --- "Sometimes you will never know the value of a moment until it becomes a memory." - Dr Seuss <cite>Houston posted [p:921989945] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote>Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do. Scary shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 05/16/19 7:24:56 PM #109:	Houston posted... Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do. Scary shit. The scary shit is that the unqualified chumps will never be held accountable because the people who support this system are driven by guilt and emotion --- "Everyone attack." - The man in the back <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:921991146] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote>Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do. Scary shit.</quote> The scary shit is that the unqualified chumps will never be held accountable because the people who support this system are driven by guilt and emotion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 05/16/19 7:26:22 PM #110:	Houston posted... Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do. Scary shit. People are aware that nothing points to your conclusions and prophecies. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:921991190] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote>Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do. Scary shit.</quote> People are aware that nothing points to your conclusions and prophecies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 05/16/19 7:29:58 PM #111:	COVxy posted... Houston posted... Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do. Scary shit. People are aware that nothing points to your conclusions and prophecies. Nothing points to this being good either, yet here you are scoring keyboard points --- "Everyone attack." - The man in the back <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:921991326] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote>Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do. Scary shit.</quote> People are aware that nothing points to your conclusions and prophecies.</quote> Nothing points to this being good either, yet here you are scoring keyboard points</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 05/16/19 7:30:26 PM #112:	COVxy posted... Houston posted... Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do. Scary shit. People are aware that nothing points to your conclusions and prophecies. this i dont see an influx of inadequate minority doctors or anything, there is nothing to support that. --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:921991338] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote>Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do. Scary shit.</quote> People are aware that nothing points to your conclusions and prophecies.</quote> this i dont see an influx of inadequate minority doctors or anything, there is nothing to support that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 05/16/19 7:33:13 PM #113:	spudger posted... COVxy posted... Houston posted... Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do. Scary shit. People are aware that nothing points to your conclusions and prophecies. this i dont see an influx of inadequate minority doctors or anything, there is nothing to support that. They scream about a doomsday scenario with nothing to back it up --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:921991442] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote>Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do. Scary shit.</quote> People are aware that nothing points to your conclusions and prophecies.</quote> this i dont see an influx of inadequate minority doctors or anything, there is nothing to support that.</quote> They scream about a doomsday scenario with nothing to back it up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zanzenburger 05/16/19 7:33:32 PM #114:	Hi people, college administrator here. I raised my eyebrow at this at first, but I've thought about it and it isn't as bad as it first sounds. First, race is not a factor in this, which was my first fear. It's strictly based on household income, crime rates, high school ranking, and other background information like whether they come from a single parent home, etc. The article itself has graphs that show how drastically SAT scores go down as you move down household income levels and these other variables. There is enough evidence out there to suggest that these adverse backgrounds can and do in fact affect SAT score. This "adversity" score is more of an equalizer to balance out that bias towards more "privileged" students (I hate using the word but can't think of something else appropriate here). It's not saying "black people need help with their score" and more "people from backgrounds that have shown to have affected SAT scores are having those backgrounds taken into consideration". --- Congratulations! Your post was deemed response-worthy. <cite>Zanzenburger posted [p:921991458] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote>Hi people, college administrator here. I raised my eyebrow at this at first, but I've thought about it and it isn't as bad as it first sounds. First, race is not a factor in this, which was my first fear. It's strictly based on household income, crime rates, high school ranking, and other background information like whether they come from a single parent home, etc. The article itself has graphs that show how drastically SAT scores go down as you move down household income levels and these other variables. There is enough evidence out there to suggest that these adverse backgrounds can and do in fact affect SAT score. This "adversity" score is more of an equalizer to balance out that bias towards more "privileged" students (I hate using the word but can't think of something else appropriate here). It's not saying "black people need help with their score" and more "people from backgrounds that have shown to have affected SAT scores are having those backgrounds taken into consideration".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 05/16/19 7:33:39 PM #115:	spudger posted... COVxy posted... Houston posted... Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do. Scary shit. People are aware that nothing points to your conclusions and prophecies. this i dont see an influx of inadequate minority doctors or anything, there is nothing to support that. Where would you go to check that data without being labelled a racist? There is no accountability for any doctor of any race, ergo everything is fine. --- "Everyone attack." - The man in the back <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:921991464] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote>Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do. Scary shit.</quote> People are aware that nothing points to your conclusions and prophecies.</quote> this i dont see an influx of inadequate minority doctors or anything, there is nothing to support that.</quote> Where would you go to check that data without being labelled a racist? There is no accountability for any doctor of any race, ergo everything is fine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 05/16/19 7:34:40 PM #116:	Zanzenburger posted... Hi people, college administrator here. I raised my eyebrow at this at first, but I've thought about it and it isn't as bad as it first sounds. First, race is not a factor in this, which was my first fear. It's strictly based on household income, crime rates, high school ranking, and other background information like whether they come from a single parent home, etc. The article itself has graphs that show how drastically SAT scores go down as you move down household income levels and these other variables. There is enough evidence out there to suggest that these adverse backgrounds can and do in fact affect SAT score. This "adversity" score is more of an equalizer to balance out that bias towards more "privileged" students (I hate using the word but can't think of something else appropriate here). It's not saying "black people need help with their score" and more "people from backgrounds that have shown to have affected SAT scores are having those backgrounds taken into consideration". thanks for the insight --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:921991500] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote>Hi people, college administrator here. I raised my eyebrow at this at first, but I've thought about it and it isn't as bad as it first sounds. First, race is not a factor in this, which was my first fear. It's strictly based on household income, crime rates, high school ranking, and other background information like whether they come from a single parent home, etc. The article itself has graphs that show how drastically SAT scores go down as you move down household income levels and these other variables. There is enough evidence out there to suggest that these adverse backgrounds can and do in fact affect SAT score. This "adversity" score is more of an equalizer to balance out that bias towards more "privileged" students (I hate using the word but can't think of something else appropriate here). It's not saying "black people need help with their score" and more "people from backgrounds that have shown to have affected SAT scores are having those backgrounds taken into consideration".</quote> thanks for the insight</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadowplay 05/16/19 7:37:09 PM #117:	Zanzenburger posted... Hi people, college administrator here. I raised my eyebrow at this at first, but I've thought about it and it isn't as bad as it first sounds. First, race is not a factor in this, which was my first fear. It's strictly based on household income, crime rates, high school ranking, and other background information like whether they come from a single parent home, etc. The article itself has graphs that show how drastically SAT scores go down as you move down household income levels and these other variables. There is enough evidence out there to suggest that these adverse backgrounds can and do in fact affect SAT score. This "adversity" score is more of an equalizer to balance out that bias towards more "privileged" students (I hate using the word but can't think of something else appropriate here). It's not saying "black people need help with their score" and more "people from backgrounds that have shown to have affected SAT scores are having those backgrounds taken into consideration". If this allows them to get a better estimate of the level of intelligence of the student then it is good. --- I make a topic in Final Fantasy 12 to ask if Tifa! They said no Tifa. Hardness gone!-gandob <cite>Shadowplay posted [p:921991612] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote>Hi people, college administrator here. I raised my eyebrow at this at first, but I've thought about it and it isn't as bad as it first sounds. First, race is not a factor in this, which was my first fear. It's strictly based on household income, crime rates, high school ranking, and other background information like whether they come from a single parent home, etc. The article itself has graphs that show how drastically SAT scores go down as you move down household income levels and these other variables. There is enough evidence out there to suggest that these adverse backgrounds can and do in fact affect SAT score. This "adversity" score is more of an equalizer to balance out that bias towards more "privileged" students (I hate using the word but can't think of something else appropriate here). It's not saying "black people need help with their score" and more "people from backgrounds that have shown to have affected SAT scores are having those backgrounds taken into consideration".</quote> If this allows them to get a better estimate of the level of intelligence of the student then it is good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 05/16/19 7:38:17 PM #118:	Zanzenburger posted... Hi people, college administrator here. I raised my eyebrow at this at first, but I've thought about it and it isn't as bad as it first sounds. First, race is not a factor in this, which was my first fear. It's strictly based on household income, crime rates, high school ranking, and other background information like whether they come from a single parent home, etc. The article itself has graphs that show how drastically SAT scores go down as you move down household income levels and these other variables. There is enough evidence out there to suggest that these adverse backgrounds can and do in fact affect SAT score. This "adversity" score is more of an equalizer to balance out that bias towards more "privileged" students (I hate using the word but can't think of something else appropriate here). It's not saying "black people need help with their score" and more "people from backgrounds that have shown to have affected SAT scores are having those backgrounds taken into consideration". as I posted in this topic earlier, several posters were triggered and immediately assumed this was going to exclusively benefit black and brown children. They told on themselves --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:921991664] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote>Hi people, college administrator here. I raised my eyebrow at this at first, but I've thought about it and it isn't as bad as it first sounds. First, race is not a factor in this, which was my first fear. It's strictly based on household income, crime rates, high school ranking, and other background information like whether they come from a single parent home, etc. The article itself has graphs that show how drastically SAT scores go down as you move down household income levels and these other variables. There is enough evidence out there to suggest that these adverse backgrounds can and do in fact affect SAT score. This "adversity" score is more of an equalizer to balance out that bias towards more "privileged" students (I hate using the word but can't think of something else appropriate here). It's not saying "black people need help with their score" and more "people from backgrounds that have shown to have affected SAT scores are having those backgrounds taken into consideration".</quote> as I posted in this topic earlier, several posters were triggered and immediately assumed this was going to exclusively benefit black and brown children. They told on themselves</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 05/16/19 7:44:22 PM #119:	Bloodychess posted... Nothing points to this being good either, yet here you are scoring keyboard points Certainly there is. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:921991905] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>Nothing points to this being good either, yet here you are scoring keyboard points</quote> Certainly there is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoubleDare 05/16/19 7:44:34 PM #120:	This is the opposite of equality. --- On Your Mark...Get Set........GO!!!!!! <cite>DoubleDare posted [p:921991912] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote>This is the opposite of equality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WoIverine 05/16/19 7:52:53 PM #121:	KlRBEH posted... I'm black and find this stupid Well then its a good thing you dont represent the rest of us. --- SNIKT! <cite>WoIverine posted [p:921992223] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>KlRBEH posted...</cite> <quote>I'm black and find this stupid</quote>Well then its a good thing you dont represent the rest of us.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/16/19 7:54:23 PM #122:	WoIverine posted... KlRBEH posted... I'm black and find this stupid Well then its a good thing you dont represent the rest of us. I don't even see what being black has to do with anything since this doesn't look at race --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:921992270] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>WoIverine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KlRBEH posted...</cite> <quote> I'm black and find this stupid</quote>Well then its a good thing you dont represent the rest of us.</quote> I don't even see what being black has to do with anything since this doesn't look at race</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 05/16/19 7:56:42 PM #123:	If people care about equality, how about you start by making the quality of bad schools better? --- [This signature was deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator] <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:921992364] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote>If people care about equality, how about you start by making the quality of bad schools better?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WoIverine 05/16/19 7:57:27 PM #124:	DoubleDare posted... This is the opposite of equality. I dont recall you saying that when Aunt Becky got arrested for buying her kids way into school. Enrollment is already the opposite of equality. So why should you suddenly care now? --- SNIKT! <cite>WoIverine posted [p:921992397] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoubleDare posted...</cite> <quote>This is the opposite of equality.</quote>I dont recall you saying that when Aunt Becky got arrested for buying her kids way into school. Enrollment is already the opposite of equality. So why should you suddenly care now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 05/16/19 8:01:37 PM #125:	I don't know why people think this will prinarily be used to harm white people when all past affirmative action programs reduced Asian admissions and increased other minority admissions while white admissions were basically the same. When you look at admissions of schools before and after affirmative action was banned in California you just see a big increase in Asian enrollment and a reduction in black and Hispanic enrollment. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:921992546] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote>I don't know why people think this will prinarily be used to harm white people when all past affirmative action programs reduced Asian admissions and increased other minority admissions while white admissions were basically the same. When you look at admissions of schools before and after affirmative action was banned in California you just see a big increase in Asian enrollment and a reduction in black and Hispanic enrollment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 05/16/19 8:03:44 PM #126:	emblem boy posted... WoIverine posted... KlRBEH posted... I'm black and find this stupid Well then its a good thing you dont represent the rest of us. I don't even see what being black has to do with anything since this doesn't look at race Just looks at social and economic backgrounds. Wonder who will gain from that. Only difference between this and affirmative action is that AA is honest about what its going to do. Sativa_Rose posted... If people care about equality, how about you start by making the quality of bad schools better? Fix the issue at the root instead of using band aids --- "Everyone attack." - The man in the back <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:921992644] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WoIverine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KlRBEH posted...</cite> <quote> I'm black and find this stupid</quote>Well then its a good thing you dont represent the rest of us.</quote> I don't even see what being black has to do with anything since this doesn't look at race</quote> Just looks at social and economic backgrounds. Wonder who will gain from that. Only difference between this and affirmative action is that AA is honest about what its going to do. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>If people care about equality, how about you start by making the quality of bad schools better?</quote> Fix the issue at the root instead of using band aids</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WoIverine 05/16/19 8:08:00 PM #127:	Bloodychess posted... emblem boy posted... WoIverine posted... KlRBEH posted... I'm black and find this stupid Well then its a good thing you dont represent the rest of us. I don't even see what being black has to do with anything since this doesn't look at race Just looks at social and economic backgrounds. Wonder who will gain from that. Only difference between this and affirmative action is that AA is honest about what its going to do. Sativa_Rose posted... If people care about equality, how about you start by making the quality of bad schools better? Fix the issue at the root instead of using band aids Meanwhile decades pass and thousands of poor inner city kids miss out on college while patiently waiting for every school in America to be deemed equal? Nah. Hard pass. --- SNIKT! <cite>WoIverine posted [p:921992818] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WoIverine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KlRBEH posted...</cite> <quote> I'm black and find this stupid</quote>Well then its a good thing you dont represent the rest of us.</quote> I don't even see what being black has to do with anything since this doesn't look at race</quote> Just looks at social and economic backgrounds. Wonder who will gain from that. Only difference between this and affirmative action is that AA is honest about what its going to do. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>If people care about equality, how about you start by making the quality of bad schools better?</quote> Fix the issue at the root instead of using band aids</quote>Meanwhile decades pass and thousands of poor inner city kids miss out on college while patiently waiting for every school in America to be deemed equal? Nah. Hard pass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/16/19 8:14:10 PM #128:	Bloodychess posted... emblem boy posted... WoIverine posted... KlRBEH posted... I'm black and find this stupid Well then its a good thing you dont represent the rest of us. I don't even see what being black has to do with anything since this doesn't look at race Just looks at social and economic backgrounds. Wonder who will gain from that. Only difference between this and affirmative action is that AA is honest about what its going to do. Sativa_Rose posted... If people care about equality, how about you start by making the quality of bad schools better? Fix the issue at the root instead of using band aids I'm so confused. For ages, I've felt like people have been saying that AA should go away and socioeconomic should be looked at. Maybe you aren't one of the ones who were saying that --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:921993091] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>WoIverine posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>KlRBEH posted...</cite> <quote> I'm black and find this stupid </quote>Well then its a good thing you dont represent the rest of us. </quote> I don't even see what being black has to do with anything since this doesn't look at race</quote> Just looks at social and economic backgrounds. Wonder who will gain from that. Only difference between this and affirmative action is that AA is honest about what its going to do. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote> If people care about equality, how about you start by making the quality of bad schools better?</quote> Fix the issue at the root instead of using band aids</quote> I'm so confused. For ages, I've felt like people have been saying that AA should go away and socioeconomic should be looked at. Maybe you aren't one of the ones who were saying that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 05/16/19 8:31:14 PM #129:	Bloodychess posted... Just looks at social and economic backgrounds. Wonder who will gain from that. Only difference between this and affirmative action is that AA is honest about what its going to do. So, it's true there is almost no such thing as a low - income urban neighborhood that is also white. But in the Ozarks and Appalachia there are definitely areas that are low-income and white. In fact, the recent rise of things like suicides of despair and the opioid crisis, is due partially to the kind of social disruption in those kind of areas that these metrics pick up. I'm not gonna tell you I know how these scores are gonna be used but this is a really weird objection --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:921993763] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>Just looks at social and economic backgrounds. Wonder who will gain from that. Only difference between this and affirmative action is that AA is honest about what its going to do.</quote> So, it's true there is almost no such thing as a low - income urban neighborhood that is also white. But in the Ozarks and Appalachia there are definitely areas that are low-income and white. In fact, the recent rise of things like suicides of despair and the opioid crisis, is due partially to the kind of social disruption in those kind of areas that these metrics pick up. I'm not gonna tell you I know how these scores are gonna be used but this is a really weird objection</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 05/16/19 8:33:07 PM #130:	Sativa_Rose posted... If people care about equality, how about you start by making the quality of bad schools better? The use of these metrics is an admission that the education system only has a limited impact on educational attainment because of all the other important factors that lie outside of it --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:921993829] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>If people care about equality, how about you start by making the quality of bad schools better?</quote> The use of these metrics is an admission that the education system only has a limited impact on educational attainment because of all the other important factors that lie outside of it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mustachedmystic 05/16/19 8:44:19 PM #131:	Houston posted... Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do. Scary shit. The people who are most scared of this happening got Trump elected President. Think about that for a second. --- Guns; freedom you can hold in your hand. Sampson, Terrordactyl PSN: DarkHoosier <cite>mustachedmystic posted [p:921994228] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote>Are people unaware that if we keep going down this slope we'll have people unqualified in important structural/health/etc positions all because "diversity" is always required?? We probably already do. Scary shit.</quote> The people who are most scared of this happening got Trump elected President. Think about that for a second.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 05/16/19 8:57:37 PM #132:	FrisbeeDude posted... This makes perfect sense. Objectors to weighing factors outside of testing tend to be mostly Asian and white, for many obvious reasons Objectors are anyone with a sense of rationality and proponents are anyone who would benefit from it. <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:921994700] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>This makes perfect sense. Objectors to weighing factors outside of testing tend to be mostly Asian and white, for many obvious reasons</quote> Objectors are anyone with a sense of rationality and proponents are anyone who would benefit from it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenRoar 05/16/19 8:58:47 PM #133:	Interesting that this comes as Affirmative Action is about to be banned by the courts. Frankly, this justifies suspecting those who fit the criteria, that they received assistance to get into college. Cause it sure wasn't academics that got them in. <cite>HiddenRoar posted [p:921994741] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote>Interesting that this comes as Affirmative Action is about to be banned by the courts. Frankly, this justifies suspecting those who fit the criteria, that they received assistance to get into college. Cause it sure wasn't academics that got them in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyle1022 05/16/19 9:25:27 PM #134:	Sad to say but as stupid as this is, it's been going on for years. A black girl from a nearby high school in the ghetto got into the University of Illinois (Urbana-Champaign) engineering program, and she had an ACT score of 18. Wasn't even in the top 10% GPA in the graduating class. The average ACT score for that program is like a 30. I remember I made a topic here years ago asking what people thought of affirmative action, and almost everyone that posted was for it. Glad to see that's changing. It is LITERALLY racist by definition. --- PC (4k/60Hz and 1080p/144Hz) \| Switch \| Wii U \| Wii \| GC \| N64 \| SNES \| NES \| PS4 Pro \| PS3 \| PS2 \| PS1 \| N3DS \| DSi \| GBA \| GBC \| Vita \| PSP <cite>Kyle1022 posted [p:921995783] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote>Sad to say but as stupid as this is, it's been going on for years. A black girl from a nearby high school in the ghetto got into the University of Illinois (Urbana-Champaign) engineering program, and she had an ACT score of 18. Wasn't even in the top 10% GPA in the graduating class. The average ACT score for that program is like a 30. I remember I made a topic here years ago asking what people thought of affirmative action, and almost everyone that posted was for it. Glad to see that's changing. It is LITERALLY racist by definition.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 05/16/19 9:29:47 PM #135:	RoboLaserGandhi posted... FrisbeeDude posted... This makes perfect sense. Objectors to weighing factors outside of testing tend to be mostly Asian and white, for many obvious reasons Objectors are anyone with a sense of rationality and proponents are anyone who would benefit from it. I mean, I would have benefited but I support plenty of things that would hurt my personal bottom line and oppose many things that would improve it. I just seriously think that there's no reason not to consider these factors if you're really interested in getting 'the best people' where they deserve. I suppose that this difference in perspective here could be due to our differing views on how much individual effort matters, and how systemic issues like the ones highlighted by these metrics intersect with individual ability. I mean I could be wrong but my stance isn't due to how it could help me. I might be stupid, but I'm sincere. --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:921995931] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>This makes perfect sense. Objectors to weighing factors outside of testing tend to be mostly Asian and white, for many obvious reasons</quote> Objectors are anyone with a sense of rationality and proponents are anyone who would benefit from it.</quote> I mean, I would have benefited but I support plenty of things that would hurt my personal bottom line and oppose many things that would improve it. I just seriously think that there's no reason not to consider these factors if you're really interested in getting 'the best people' where they deserve. I suppose that this difference in perspective here could be due to our differing views on how much individual effort matters, and how systemic issues like the ones highlighted by these metrics intersect with individual ability. I mean I could be wrong but my stance isn't due to how it could help me. I might be stupid, but I'm sincere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Donomark 05/16/19 9:32:54 PM #136:	Of course there will be metric tons of complaining about this, but really, given how totally unequal our education system is, I don't think it's bad to put someone's social class and hardship into consideration when evaluating their candidacy to higher education. Now, whether that should literally be quantified as points on the SAT is a different thing. In principle, but perhaps not in execution, I'm in favor of this. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ <cite>Donomark posted [p:921996050] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote>Of course there will be metric tons of complaining about this, but really, given how totally unequal our education system is, I don't think it's bad to put someone's social class and hardship into consideration when evaluating their candidacy to higher education. Now, whether that should literally be quantified as points on the SAT is a different thing. In principle, but perhaps not in execution, I'm in favor of this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/16/19 9:35:29 PM #137:	it's 2019 and people still believe that meritocracy is a thing? lmao --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:921996131] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote>it's 2019 and people still believe that meritocracy is a thing? lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lairen 05/16/19 9:36:13 PM #138:	So what if a college just uses this to discriminate against people with harder lives and it literally backfires. They could just assume it means the person is poor or of a race they dont like and, again, it backfires. --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:921996151] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote>So what if a college just uses this to discriminate against people with harder lives and it literally backfires. They could just assume it means the person is poor or of a race they dont like and, again, it backfires.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GasMonkey 05/16/19 9:37:44 PM #139:	what ever happend to the most skilled gets the job etc? now its "oh you suck, but your the best of the sucky so you get the scholarship for reasons not related at all." --- life at 165mph <cite>GasMonkey posted [p:921996206] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote>what ever happend to the most skilled gets the job etc? now its "oh you suck, but your the best of the sucky so you get the scholarship for reasons not related at all."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/16/19 9:39:31 PM #140:	GasMonkey posted... what ever happend to the most skilled gets the job etc? that has never happened. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:921996288] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>GasMonkey posted...</cite> <quote>what ever happend to the most skilled gets the job etc? </quote> that has never happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 05/16/19 9:44:29 PM #141:	averagejoel posted... GasMonkey posted... what ever happend to the most skilled gets the job etc? that has never happened. The most skilled person getting the job is exactly how it happens 99% of the time. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:921996475] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GasMonkey posted...</cite> <quote>what ever happend to the most skilled gets the job etc? </quote> that has never happened.</quote> The most skilled person getting the job is exactly how it happens 99% of the time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 05/16/19 9:45:49 PM #142:	... This sounds really bad but at the same time there is SOME merit. People don't always have access to equal qualities of education depending on where they live. It's hard to get good teachers in bad neighborhoods (vicious cycle) so it does sort of make sense to a degree. But the way this is worded is all sorts of crap. --- "Imagine a world where hypothetical situations didn't exist..." <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:921996533] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote>... This sounds really bad but at the same time there is SOME merit. People don't always have access to equal qualities of education depending on where they live. It's hard to get good teachers in bad neighborhoods (vicious cycle) so it does sort of make sense to a degree. But the way this is worded is all sorts of crap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lairen 05/16/19 9:46:45 PM #143:	High social score means low class, right? This will go well and as expected. --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:921996563] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote>High social score means low class, right? This will go well and as expected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyle1022 05/16/19 9:47:08 PM #144:	DifferentialEquation posted... The most skilled person getting the job is exactly how it happens 99% of the time. If you really think this then you must be pretty young. You're in for a rude awakening once you hit the real world. Everyone knows it's not WHAT you know but WHO you know. --- PC (4k/60Hz and 1080p/144Hz) \| Switch \| Wii U \| Wii \| GC \| N64 \| SNES \| NES \| PS4 Pro \| PS3 \| PS2 \| PS1 \| N3DS \| DSi \| GBA \| GBC \| Vita \| PSP <cite>Kyle1022 posted [p:921996580] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>The most skilled person getting the job is exactly how it happens 99% of the time.</quote> If you really think this then you must be pretty young. You're in for a rude awakening once you hit the real world. Everyone knows it's not WHAT you know but WHO you know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KILBOTz 05/16/19 9:58:42 PM #145:	Balrog0 posted... It's not about your community or theirs for that matter. It's about the individuals coming from those communities and how those localities have different structural barriers. The problem rural communities have is more about brain drain than about an inability for individuals to obtain an education, not that that's meaningless. Sounds like this is entirely sour grapes and not even in an understandable way, you've really got to stretch to read this as bad for rural communities lol Alright, well to start I should just say more than anything I am against this in concept, the particular argument was just the first thing that popped out. At the end of the day I totally agree with the bolded part. I just don't trust them to be able to come up with a calculation to be able to actually serve all the individuals. People will get left out. The article didn't give much information at all so I am filling in a number of blanks. So first I am assuming that they aren't doing any sort of quotas by region or social status. That means the higher the score the higher the factor to add onto their SAT score. So all else equal, I think it is valid to question if the math to come up with that number seems reasonable. We are talking these scores mattering at selective universities where it is a zero sum game, for everyone that gets in, someone doesn't. The fact the number is hidden to the applicant, the math isn't disclosed, we are just supposed to trust them? --- https://imgur.com/O3syCWD https://imgur.com/k3YiBdG <cite>KILBOTz posted [p:921997048] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>It's not about your community or theirs for that matter. It's about the individuals coming from those communities and how those localities have different structural barriers. The problem rural communities have is more about brain drain than about an inability for individuals to obtain an education, not that that's meaningless. Sounds like this is entirely sour grapes and not even in an understandable way, you've really got to stretch to read this as bad for rural communities lol</quote> Alright, well to start I should just say more than anything I am against this in concept, the particular argument was just the first thing that popped out. At the end of the day I totally agree with the bolded part. I just don't trust them to be able to come up with a calculation to be able to actually serve all the individuals. People will get left out. The article didn't give much information at all so I am filling in a number of blanks. So first I am assuming that they aren't doing any sort of quotas by region or social status. That means the higher the score the higher the factor to add onto their SAT score. So all else equal, I think it is valid to question if the math to come up with that number seems reasonable. We are talking these scores mattering at selective universities where it is a zero sum game, for everyone that gets in, someone doesn't. The fact the number is hidden to the applicant, the math isn't disclosed, we are just supposed to trust them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 05/16/19 10:10:07 PM #146:	Balrog0 posted... Sativa_Rose posted... If people care about equality, how about you start by making the quality of bad schools better? The use of these metrics is an admission that the education system only has a limited impact on educational attainment because of all the other important factors that lie outside of it Then try to address those problems more directly. We need to create better communities for kids. --- [This signature was deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator] <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:921997537] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>If people care about equality, how about you start by making the quality of bad schools better?</quote> The use of these metrics is an admission that the education system only has a limited impact on educational attainment because of all the other important factors that lie outside of it</quote> Then try to address those problems more directly. We need to create better communities for kids.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 05/17/19 1:47:37 AM #147:	Hairistotle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... The SAT has not stopped evaluating people based on their performance on the test and its incredibly disingenuous to act as if adding another metric does anything to erase that. This is all fake outrage. The entire point of the SAT is to get into college. There's nothing stopping a university from weighing your Victimization Score as much as your standard score. It doesn't matter if the score isn't integrated into your actual SAT score. It has the same end result. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:922004466] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>The SAT has not stopped evaluating people based on their performance on the test and its incredibly disingenuous to act as if adding another metric does anything to erase that. This is all fake outrage.</quote></quote> The entire point of the SAT is to get into college. There's nothing stopping a university from weighing your Victimization Score as much as your standard score. It doesn't matter if the score isn't integrated into your actual SAT score. It has the same end result.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 05/17/19 8:29:19 AM #148:	Goats posted... As a left handed person that will raise my adversity score pretty high, right? I have to deal with "right" handed bigotry everyday of my life. Like seriously the person who keeps pushing for right handed scissors needs to go the fuck away we've been able to make neutral scissors for decades now weepingbell This comes across as a joke but it's actually surprisingly accurate. Left-handed repression is even a thing. Kids who reach for the pencil with their left hand get "corrected." It's why my handwriting is so bad. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:922010747] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Goats posted...</cite> <quote>As a left handed person that will raise my adversity score pretty high, right? I have to deal with "right" handed bigotry everyday of my life. Like seriously the person who keeps pushing for right handed scissors needs to go the fuck away we've been able to make neutral scissors for decades now weepingbell</quote> This comes across as a joke but it's actually surprisingly accurate. Left-handed repression is even a thing. Kids who reach for the pencil with their left hand get "corrected." It's why my handwriting is so bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 05/17/19 8:31:50 AM #149:	Kyle1022 posted... Sad to say but as stupid as this is, it's been going on for years. A black girl from a nearby high school in the ghetto got into the University of Illinois (Urbana-Champaign) engineering program, and she had an ACT score of 18. Wasn't even in the top 10% GPA in the graduating class. The average ACT score for that program is like a 30. I remember I made a topic here years ago asking what people thought of affirmative action, and almost everyone that posted was for it. Glad to see that's changing. It is LITERALLY racist by definition. how did she do in school? <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:922010803] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyle1022 posted...</cite> <quote>Sad to say but as stupid as this is, it's been going on for years. A black girl from a nearby high school in the ghetto got into the University of Illinois (Urbana-Champaign) engineering program, and she had an ACT score of 18. Wasn't even in the top 10% GPA in the graduating class. The average ACT score for that program is like a 30. I remember I made a topic here years ago asking what people thought of affirmative action, and almost everyone that posted was for it. Glad to see that's changing. It is LITERALLY racist by definition.</quote> how did she do in school?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 05/17/19 8:33:06 AM #150:	DarkRoast posted... Hairistotle posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... The SAT has not stopped evaluating people based on their performance on the test and its incredibly disingenuous to act as if adding another metric does anything to erase that. This is all fake outrage. The entire point of the SAT is to get into college. There's nothing stopping a university from weighing your Victimization Score as much as your standard score. It doesn't matter if the score isn't integrated into your actual SAT score. It has the same end result. they can choose whoever they want to get into their school. if that's as important to them, for whatever reason, they have the right to decide that. they could do the same thing, regardless of if a "score" is presented. It just gives them one more bit of information (a summary score) to choose from to decide. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:922010839] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>The SAT has not stopped evaluating people based on their performance on the test and its incredibly disingenuous to act as if adding another metric does anything to erase that. This is all fake outrage.</quote></quote> The entire point of the SAT is to get into college. There's nothing stopping a university from weighing your Victimization Score as much as your standard score. It doesn't matter if the score isn't integrated into your actual SAT score. It has the same end result.</quote> they can choose whoever they want to get into their school. if that's as important to them, for whatever reason, they have the right to decide that. they could do the same thing, regardless of if a "score" is presented. It just gives them one more bit of information (a summary score) to choose from to decide.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 05/17/19 8:33:56 AM #151:	Sativa_Rose posted... Balrog0 posted... Sativa_Rose posted... If people care about equality, how about you start by making the quality of bad schools better? The use of these metrics is an admission that the education system only has a limited impact on educational attainment because of all the other important factors that lie outside of it Then try to address those problems more directly. We need to create better communities for kids. there are a shit ton of people who work on that, including myself (I am doing my doctorate in mathematics education) <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:922010870] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>If people care about equality, how about you start by making the quality of bad schools better?</quote> The use of these metrics is an admission that the education system only has a limited impact on educational attainment because of all the other important factors that lie outside of it</quote> Then try to address those problems more directly. We need to create better communities for kids.</quote> there are a shit ton of people who work on that, including myself (I am doing my doctorate in mathematics education)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kyujo 05/17/19 8:35:41 AM #152:	DevsBro posted... Goats posted... As a left handed person that will raise my adversity score pretty high, right? I have to deal with "right" handed bigotry everyday of my life. Like seriously the person who keeps pushing for right handed scissors needs to go the fuck away we've been able to make neutral scissors for decades now weepingbell This comes across as a joke but it's actually surprisingly accurate. Left-handed repression is even a thing. Kids who reach for the pencil with their left hand get "corrected." It's why my handwriting is so bad. Lefties rise up --- Current Game(s): SDBH, God of War, Must-watch: Legion, AoS, Legends of Tomorrow <cite>kyujo posted [p:922010915] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote><cite>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Goats posted...</cite> <quote>As a left handed person that will raise my adversity score pretty high, right? I have to deal with "right" handed bigotry everyday of my life. Like seriously the person who keeps pushing for right handed scissors needs to go the fuck away we've been able to make neutral scissors for decades now weepingbell</quote> This comes across as a joke but it's actually surprisingly accurate. Left-handed repression is even a thing. Kids who reach for the pencil with their left hand get "corrected." It's why my handwriting is so bad.</quote> Lefties rise up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 05/17/19 9:33:33 AM #153:	i get the "start from the ground up" argument but that is very long term, generational at best. this serves as an immediate response --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:922012390] in SATs to as... [t:77719644]...</cite> <quote>i get the "start from the ground up" argument but that is very long term, generational at best. this serves as an immediate response</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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