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Collat
05/18/19 6:25:26 PM
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averagejoel posted...
the Civil War and the brief period of time that followed
Don't think that counts when the bad guys are also America.
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Geiki Ganger
05/18/19 6:25:35 PM
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You really can't say with a straight face that China is bad, as an American, as if the USA isn't.

It's just like a Chinese saying the USA is bad while thinking China is great.

Both countries are terrible, but they are also the most powerful.
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TheMikh
05/18/19 6:26:34 PM
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i've been aware beyond a reasonable doubt since 2013
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JamesVanDerBeek
05/18/19 6:27:24 PM
#54:


Geiki Ganger posted...
You really can't say with a straight face that China is bad, as an American, as if the USA isn't.

It's just like a Chinese saying the USA is bad while thinking China is great.

Both countries are terrible, but they are also the most powerful.

We are nowhere near the level of bad they are.
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averagejoel
05/18/19 6:27:28 PM
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Collat posted...
averagejoel posted...
the Civil War and the brief period of time that followed
Don't think that counts when the bad guys are also America.

that's why I said arguably
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PikachuMaxwell
05/18/19 6:29:07 PM
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There are no good or bad countries. All relative.
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Geiki Ganger
05/18/19 6:29:19 PM
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JamesVanDerBeek posted...
Geiki Ganger posted...
You really can't say with a straight face that China is bad, as an American, as if the USA isn't.

It's just like a Chinese saying the USA is bad while thinking China is great.

Both countries are terrible, but they are also the most powerful.


We are nowhere near the level of bad they are.


If anything, China isn't close to the level of the USA yet in terms of atrocity committed worldwide. They aren't as skilled.
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Zikten
05/18/19 6:30:17 PM
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averagejoel posted...
America has been the "bad guy" country for pretty much the entirety of its existence

So we were on the evil side in ww2?
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Varandil
05/18/19 6:32:42 PM
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Zikten posted...
averagejoel posted...
America has been the "bad guy" country for pretty much the entirety of its existence

So we were on the evil side in ww2?

Given that WW2 was evil vs evil, yes.
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averagejoel
05/18/19 6:33:36 PM
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PikachuMaxwell posted...
There are no good or bad countries. All relative.

I'd say that imperialist countries (the US and most of Western Europe) can be pretty safely classified as bad.
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Geiki Ganger
05/18/19 6:35:11 PM
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JamesVanDerBeek posted...
Geiki Ganger posted...
If anything, China isn't close to the level of the USA yet in terms of atrocity committed worldwide. They aren't as skilled.

They pollute more than us, they are wiping animal species out more than us, they will literally kill people they hit with their car rather than help them. There is very little humanity left in them.


For the first two, are you describing China or the USA? And for that last part, I would argue that is better than the anti-abortion law passed by Alabama a few days ago.
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Tsukasa1891
05/18/19 6:38:18 PM
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CloneTheHero posted...
JamesVanDerBeek posted...
Bad guy?

If anything we are anti-hero now.

Russia, China, North Korea, the Middle East. Those are the bad guys

some of the shit china is doing is outright scary. theyre pushing this antiquated caste system and to make matters worse theyre using facial recognition technology to track your movements and penalize you for the most trivial things in this social credit system they got going.

https://nypost.com/2019/05/18/chinas-new-social-credit-system-turns-orwells-1984-into-reality/

this is some dystopian cyberpunk shit.

Jesus Christ. How has that not led to a violent revolution yet?
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TennTux
05/18/19 6:38:57 PM
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This is the edgiest topic I've seen in awhile
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JamesVanDerBeek
05/18/19 6:41:30 PM
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Geiki Ganger posted...
For the first two, are you describing China or the USA?

China. They pollute far more than us, and they murder endangered animals to turn into boner pills.

Geiki Ganger posted...
And for that last part, I would argue that is better than the anti-abortion law passed by Alabama a few days ago.

Yes, murder is better than a anti-abortion bill.
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coolboy11
05/18/19 6:41:51 PM
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America is like the planet's unintentional anti hero much of the time.
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Geiki Ganger
05/18/19 6:45:54 PM
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JamesVanDerBeek posted...
China. They pollute far more than us, and they murder endangered animals to turn into boner pills.


Pollution wise, you are gonna need to cite some sources, cause the USA is the largest polluter per capita. I am not sure why you are even disputing this.

As for murdering animals, are you talking about the government or private people? Cause you understand how dumb it is to blame the actions of their citizens onto the whole country right? I mean, I could easily paint the USA as worse than China if I can bring into this argument rich Americans murdering animals in Africa for sport.

JamesVanDerBeek posted...

Yes, murder is better than a anti-abortion bill.


Last time I checked, murder is still illegal in China. But nice try.
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StickFigures720
05/18/19 6:48:11 PM
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Varandil posted...
Zikten posted...
averagejoel posted...
America has been the "bad guy" country for pretty much the entirety of its existence

So we were on the evil side in ww2?

Given that WW2 was evil vs evil, yes.

Stop talking nonsense, friend.
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FF_Redux
05/18/19 6:48:55 PM
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Paragon21XX
05/18/19 6:53:17 PM
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*walks into topic*

Woah! What's this lemon party doing here?!

*runs back to topic list*
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JamesVanDerBeek
05/18/19 6:53:57 PM
#72:


Geiki Ganger posted...

Pollution wise, you are gonna need to cite some sources, cause the USA is the largest polluter per capita. I am not sure why you are even disputing this.

https://tinyurl.com/y4deemjj

Geiki Ganger posted...
As for murdering animals, are you talking about the government or private people? Cause you understand how dumb it is to blame the actions of their citizens onto the whole country right?

It is dumb to blame the action of the citizens on the country? So what, only the government represents the country?

Geiki Ganger posted...
Last time I checked, murder is still illegal in China. But nice try.

And that doesn't stop them from just backing over someone they just hit with their car to make sure they are dead and can't sue them. They at most will get a light manslaughter charge.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
05/18/19 6:56:54 PM
#73:


JamesVanDerBeek posted...
Geiki Ganger posted...
If anything, China isn't close to the level of the USA yet in terms of atrocity committed worldwide. They aren't as skilled.

They pollute more than us, they are wiping animal species out more than us, they will literally kill people they hit with their car rather than help them. There is very little humanity left in them.

Let's not forget the fact that they literally don't even have a framework for animal rights. It just isn't a thing in China.

They're essentially not currently capable of moral conduct
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EverDownward
05/18/19 6:58:05 PM
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Geiki Ganger posted...
Last time I checked, murder is still illegal in China. But nice try.

I'm not sure what China's workplace policies are like, but death seems extremely cheap in China. There's many video feeds of people dying in gruesome ways to incompetence, negligence, or people not attempting to help. It's pretty astounding.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen in the U.S.A., but it just seems to occur much more over there.
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IloveJesus
05/18/19 6:58:27 PM
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Funkydog posted...
"now"?

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RiderofHogs
05/18/19 7:05:24 PM
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Lol, suspended for calling China out on their bullshit
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EverDownward
05/18/19 7:06:07 PM
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RiderofHogs posted...
Lol, suspended for calling China out on their bullshit

What?
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Sativa_Rose
05/18/19 7:06:34 PM
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orcus_snake posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
ScazarMeltex posted...
the civilians of korea


are pretty damn thankful that we saved them from being invaded by the North in the Korean War, or at least the ones in South Korea are. Seriously, North Korea nearly took over all of South Korea in the Korean War. Look up the Pusan Perimeter. North Korea had taken over everything but the very southeastern corner of Korea.

Try learning a thing or two before spouting off these talking points.

Why did you cherry pick that exact line withotu adressing the entire issues associated with the post?


Because it's a huge pet peeve of mine when leftists put the Korean War in their list of terrible things the US has allegedly done when it should actually be viewed as an accomplishment.
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ThePrinceFish
05/18/19 7:06:46 PM
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Fucking rofl at defending China. Some people really don't know how lucky they are to have been born where they were.
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Sativa_Rose
05/18/19 7:07:18 PM
#81:


orcus_snake posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
ScazarMeltex posted...
the civilians of korea


are pretty damn thankful that we saved them from being invaded by the North in the Korean War, or at least the ones in South Korea are. Seriously, North Korea nearly took over all of South Korea in the Korean War. Look up the Pusan Perimeter. North Korea had taken over everything but the very southeastern corner of Korea.

Try learning a thing or two before spouting off these talking points.

Why did you cherry pick that exact line withotu adressing the entire issues associated with the post?


Because it's a huge pet peeve of mine when leftists put the Korean War in their list of terrible things the US has allegedly done when it should actually be viewed as an accomplishment.

averagejoel posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
ScazarMeltex posted...
the civilians of korea


are pretty damn thankful that we saved them from being invaded by the North in the Korean War, or at least the ones in South Korea are. Seriously, North Korea nearly took over all of South Korea in the Korean War. Look up the Pusan Perimeter. North Korea had taken over everything but the very southeastern corner of Korea.

Try learning a thing or two before spouting off these talking points.

the US killed hundreds of thousands of Koreans, and imprisoned tens of thousands more, before the war even began.


This is 100% communist propaganda.
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MakoReizei
05/18/19 7:08:12 PM
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what's with all these damn communists on CE
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RiderofHogs
05/18/19 7:11:25 PM
#83:


EverDownward posted...
RiderofHogs posted...
Lol, suspended for calling China out on their bullshit

What?

I got a suspension for posting about some of the stuff that goes on in China.
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Geiki Ganger
05/18/19 7:12:07 PM
#84:


ThePrinceFish posted...
Fucking rofl at defending China. Some people really don't know how lucky they are to have been born where they were.


Both countries are great places to live (if you got connections), just with terrible government.
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Geiki Ganger
05/18/19 7:12:43 PM
#85:


RiderofHogs posted...
EverDownward posted...
RiderofHogs posted...
Lol, suspended for calling China out on their bullshit

What?

I got a suspension for posting about some of the stuff that goes on in China.


I also got moderated before for calling Trump supporters racists.
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UnholyMudcrab
05/18/19 7:12:58 PM
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RiderofHogs
05/18/19 7:15:33 PM
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Geiki Ganger posted...
RiderofHogs posted...
EverDownward posted...
RiderofHogs posted...
Lol, suspended for calling China out on their bullshit

What?

I got a suspension for posting about some of the stuff that goes on in China.


I also got moderated before for calling Trump supporters racists.

At least we can agree that the mods on this site are a joke.
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Zikten
05/18/19 7:37:00 PM
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I once insulted saudia Arabia over their brutal executions and got modded
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averagejoel
05/18/19 8:02:47 PM
#89:


Sativa_Rose posted...
This is 100% communist propaganda.

that is false.

it's not even uncommon knowledge
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Sativa_Rose
05/18/19 8:10:12 PM
#91:


averagejoel posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
This is 100% communist propaganda.

that is false.

it's not even uncommon knowledge


Got a source?
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Giblet_Enjoyer
05/18/19 8:25:31 PM
#92:


Highwind07 posted...
Also animal rights is not something that I would pick on them for not having if we are looking at ourselves here.

Well yeah, farming in the US are fucked but at least animal cruelty is a crime here. Last I checked, there's no such thing in China.

But I'm not one to defend America by any means, I think this is the most backwards first-world country that exists and many other countries do nearly everything better than us
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Crepes
05/18/19 9:05:14 PM
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Weve been there a while. I saw some interviews the other day with the public over a war in Iran. The scariest sound bytes were people who dont even care about pretended like terrorism or WMDs and went straight in with saying that if its good for the economy and the USA that theyd be happy for a war with Iran even if theres no grounds for it.
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Ivany2008
05/18/19 9:09:16 PM
#94:


I wouldn't say they are the bad guy, but it's almost like history repeats itself. First the Egyptians, then the Mongols, then the Romans, and now the Americans.

Not saying America is anything like those previous groups, but they/we(North America), need to get our heads out of our asses. We started the last century so strong, and within 50 years technology progressed further than it ever has 200 years prior. But now that the 2000s have started, we've been at a standstill for the most part. Sure there are some things developing here and there, but its nowhere near what it was even 20 years ago.

And now our countries spend more time looking towards War rather than investing that same time into developing renewable energies that could get us away from using Oil altogether.
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UnholyMudcrab
05/18/19 9:49:24 PM
#95:


Ivany2008 posted...
First the Egyptians, then the Mongols, then the Romans, and now the Americans.

I think your timeline is a bit wonky there
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GreatEvilEmpire
05/18/19 9:57:00 PM
#96:


Damn it feels good to be a gangster!

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Lorenzo_2003
05/18/19 10:20:35 PM
#97:


averagejoel posted...
America has been the "bad guy" country for pretty much the entirety of its existence


Even if that is true, why should the US care about that? Most other countries are largely irrelevant aside from trade, and they will continue to maintain their relationships according to what they can get from the US and how much its going to cost. Of course the US has to also be extremely mindful of potential threats such as China and Russia, so Americans should strive towards improving their relationship with them.
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R_Jackal
05/18/19 10:27:24 PM
#98:


Yeah, US has damn near always been the "bad guy" country, even if indirectly. Save for a few moments where we got to play the hero, and will never let anyone forget.
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Herugrim
05/18/19 10:38:01 PM
#99:


We've always been the bad guys and will continue to be as long as we have the second amendment. People from more liberal countries can never seem to get past that.

Personally I'd rather not live somewhere like the UK where you can get arrested for dirty jokes and silverware.
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05/18/19 10:49:45 PM
#100:


C_Pain posted...
Ey yo, I'm the bag guy. *flicks cig at you*


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MakoReizei
05/18/19 11:17:57 PM
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the cold war was justified. America was the good guy during that time
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