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Mark_DeRosa 05/18/19 9:25:07 PM #1:	Yep --- Steve Nash \| 13\| Phoenix Suns \| PPG: 16.9 \| RPG: 3.60 \| APG 11.3 \| EFF: +22.96 http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/2283379/dance-o.gif <cite>Mark_DeRosa posted [p:922076102] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>Yep</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EbonTitanium 05/18/19 9:26:06 PM #2:	You reap what you sow. --- I don't know which is worse: fanboys or elitist. <cite>EbonTitanium posted [p:922076138] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>You reap what you sow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 05/18/19 9:27:26 PM #3:	It isnt going to go away so complaining about it isnt going to help. The idea of Fatherhood is too entrenched into Western society so trying to get people to let fathers off the hook would be as fruitful as banning hotdogs at baseball games. --- Hello, I like video games and comedies. Let's be friends. :) <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:922076189] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>It isnt going to go away so complaining about it isnt going to help. The idea of Fatherhood is too entrenched into Western society so trying to get people to let fathers off the hook would be as fruitful as banning hotdogs at baseball games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Manocheese 05/18/19 9:30:22 PM #4:	EbonTitanium posted... You reap what you sow. Thanks to the new laws on the books, so will women. --- ()_() Hardcore - We'll probably be modded for this... (o.o) http://manocheese.googlepages.com/manocheesery <cite>Manocheese posted [p:922076287] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>EbonTitanium posted...</cite> <quote>You reap what you sow.</quote> Thanks to the new laws on the books, so will women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
21WIVES_CHILL 05/18/19 9:33:08 PM #5:	So basically dont get a gf or kids and go mgtow. <cite>21WIVES_CHILL posted [p:922076363] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>So basically dont get a gf or kids and go mgtow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 05/18/19 9:36:05 PM #6:	I agree and also think women should get Express lanes to the abortion clinic. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:922076465] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>I agree and also think women should get Express lanes to the abortion clinic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 05/19/19 7:47:42 AM #7:	Stop putting your dick into the first thing that moves in front of you and stop doing it unprotected. Boom no kids, problem solved. --- FFX is the best game of all time. Comics are for kids. https://imgur.com/LJ3WSyB . Germany and Great Britain should have been on the same side in WW2. <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:922089210] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>Stop putting your dick into the first thing that moves in front of you and stop doing it unprotected. Boom no kids, problem solved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 05/19/19 7:59:06 AM #8:	You could always pack up and leave the country if your prepared never to return. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:922089372] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>You could always pack up and leave the country if your prepared never to return.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/19/19 8:00:47 AM #9:	If it's not acceptable to oblige a woman for nine months, then it should not be acceptable to oblige a man for eighteen years. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:922089393] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>If it's not acceptable to oblige a woman for nine months, then it should not be acceptable to oblige a man for eighteen years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 05/19/19 8:59:45 AM #10:	Questionmarktarius posted... If it's not acceptable to oblige a woman for nine months, then it should not be acceptable to oblige a man for eighteen years. Well said --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:922090318] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>If it's not acceptable to oblige a woman for nine months, then it should not be acceptable to oblige a man for eighteen years.</quote> Well said</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeroKelvin 05/19/19 9:40:12 AM #11:	Sounds like something straight out of r/incels <cite>ZeroKelvin posted [p:922091047] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>Sounds like something straight out of r/incels</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/19/19 9:43:17 AM #12:	Me personally, I think it's preferable to have a system of child support as opposed to one where children can be deprived because they're dad is a shithead. Just my two cents! --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:922091107] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>Me personally, I think it's preferable to have a system of child support as opposed to one where children can be deprived because they're dad is a shithead. Just my two cents!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/19/19 9:59:11 AM #13:	Antifar posted... Me personally, I think it's preferable to have a system of child support as opposed to one where children can be deprived because they're dad is a shithead. Just my two cents! Doesn't that conflict with your general socialist leanings? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:922091436] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Me personally, I think it's preferable to have a system of child support as opposed to one where children can be deprived because they're dad is a shithead. Just my two cents!</quote> Doesn't that conflict with your general socialist leanings?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1NfamousACE_2 05/19/19 10:03:33 AM #14:	I feel like men should be able to get a ruling that they want nothing to do with the baby and mother and if the woman wants the baby after that, then that's her prerogative. --- New signature needed, acquire within from management <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:922091522] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>I feel like men should be able to get a ruling that they want nothing to do with the baby and mother and if the woman wants the baby after that, then that's her prerogative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 05/19/19 10:05:00 AM #15:	Men should be able to abort their responsibility. Their wallet, their choice. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/MAd5hwq.gif <cite>Middle hope posted [p:922091561] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>Men should be able to abort their responsibility. Their wallet, their choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EternalDivide 05/19/19 10:05:15 AM #16:	If women can have abortions then I think men should have the option too. That thing Norway or some other European cold country did. The "male abortion". Fully agree with it. Legal paperwork that surrenders all parental rights over the kid but also severs any and all financial responsibilities towards it too. --- FFVII Remake: A disaster in the making. I'll laugh at whatever I find funny whether you like it or not. <cite>EternalDivide posted [p:922091569] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>If women can have abortions then I think men should have the option too. That thing Norway or some other European cold country did. The "male abortion". Fully agree with it. Legal paperwork that surrenders all parental rights over the kid but also severs any and all financial responsibilities towards it too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistere Man 05/19/19 10:06:47 AM #17:	Stuff like this is sick imo. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma/201902/when-male-rape-victims-are-accountable-child-support --- Water+Fall=Radiation. <cite>Mistere Man posted [p:922091612] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>Stuff like this is sick imo. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma/201902/when-male-rape-victims-are-accountable-child-support</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 05/19/19 10:06:54 AM #18:	Does the word "deadbeat dad" mean anything to you? --- Official MARIO of the SMASH board Come check out my community board for NEET discussions: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1467-neet-discussions <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:922091615] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>Does the word "deadbeat dad" mean anything to you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UltimaW 05/19/19 10:08:17 AM #19:	1NfamousACE_2 posted... I feel like men should be able to get a ruling that they want nothing to do with the baby and mother and if the woman wants the baby after that, then that's her prerogative. I feel like people with opinions like this will never have to worry about it. --- ../\|,-``\(o)_\,----,,,_ NEIN DU ( `\(o),,_/` : o : : :o `-, <cite>UltimaW posted [p:922091652] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like men should be able to get a ruling that they want nothing to do with the baby and mother and if the woman wants the baby after that, then that's her prerogative.</quote> I feel like people with opinions like this will never have to worry about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/19/19 10:11:43 AM #20:	Wallet =/= body Men can have their own babies if they want such choice --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922091721] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>Wallet =/= body Men can have their own babies if they want such choice</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 05/19/19 10:12:16 AM #21:	ColdOne666 posted... Stop putting your dick into the first thing that moves in front of you and stop doing it unprotected. Boom no kids, problem solved. Wouldnt and shouldnt this work for women too? (Am pro choice, but stupidity shouldnt be absolved) --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:922091739] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>ColdOne666 posted...</cite> <quote>Stop putting your dick into the first thing that moves in front of you and stop doing it unprotected. Boom no kids, problem solved.</quote> Wouldnt and shouldnt this work for women too? (Am pro choice, but stupidity shouldnt be absolved)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 05/19/19 10:14:05 AM #22:	There is a simple solution for you TC, and it is called Vasectomy. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:922091772] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>There is a simple solution for you TC, and it is called Vasectomy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1NfamousACE_2 05/19/19 10:15:42 AM #23:	UltimaW posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... I feel like men should be able to get a ruling that they want nothing to do with the baby and mother and if the woman wants the baby after that, then that's her prerogative. I feel like people with opinions like this will never have to worry about it. Why should you be on the hook for a baby you didn't want? But if it was the opposite, with her not wanting the baby and you wanting the baby, you have no choice? --- New signature needed, acquire within from management <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:922091827] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>UltimaW posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like men should be able to get a ruling that they want nothing to do with the baby and mother and if the woman wants the baby after that, then that's her prerogative.</quote> I feel like people with opinions like this will never have to worry about it.</quote> Why should you be on the hook for a baby you didn't want? But if it was the opposite, with her not wanting the baby and you wanting the baby, you have no choice?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 05/19/19 10:16:31 AM #25:	1NfamousACE_2 posted... UltimaW posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... I feel like men should be able to get a ruling that they want nothing to do with the baby and mother and if the woman wants the baby after that, then that's her prerogative. I feel like people with opinions like this will never have to worry about it. Why should you be on the hook for a baby you didn't want? But if it was the opposite, with her not wanting the baby and you wanting the baby, you have no choice? Because biology A father is half the baby but 0% of the pregnancy --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922091853] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UltimaW posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like men should be able to get a ruling that they want nothing to do with the baby and mother and if the woman wants the baby after that, then that's her prerogative.</quote> I feel like people with opinions like this will never have to worry about it.</quote> Why should you be on the hook for a baby you didn't want? But if it was the opposite, with her not wanting the baby and you wanting the baby, you have no choice?</quote> Because biology A father is half the baby but 0% of the pregnancy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistere Man 05/19/19 10:17:45 AM #26:	Highwind07 posted... Yea I do agree with the idea that the father can sign away the child to be absolved of financial or parental responsibility. Some dads welcome their unplanned kids but the ones that don't can be absolutely shitty towards them and I rather not have the kid go through that. But then again there were stories where women impregnated themselves with an unsuspected man's semen and actually forced him to pay child support that way. That is sickening also! --- Water+Fall=Radiation. <cite>Mistere Man posted [p:922091882] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>Highwind07 posted...</cite> <quote>Yea I do agree with the idea that the father can sign away the child to be absolved of financial or parental responsibility. Some dads welcome their unplanned kids but the ones that don't can be absolutely shitty towards them and I rather not have the kid go through that. But then again there were stories where women impregnated themselves with an unsuspected man's semen and actually forced him to pay child support that way.</quote> That is sickening also!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1NfamousACE_2 05/19/19 10:18:43 AM #27:	hockeybub89 posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... UltimaW posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... I feel like men should be able to get a ruling that they want nothing to do with the baby and mother and if the woman wants the baby after that, then that's her prerogative. I feel like people with opinions like this will never have to worry about it. Why should you be on the hook for a baby you didn't want? But if it was the opposite, with her not wanting the baby and you wanting the baby, you have no choice? Because biology A father is half the baby but 0% of the pregnancy So why should he be financially responsible if he doesn't want it? And its called a Paper abortion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_abortion --- New signature needed, acquire within from management <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:922091900] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UltimaW posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like men should be able to get a ruling that they want nothing to do with the baby and mother and if the woman wants the baby after that, then that's her prerogative.</quote> I feel like people with opinions like this will never have to worry about it.</quote> Why should you be on the hook for a baby you didn't want? But if it was the opposite, with her not wanting the baby and you wanting the baby, you have no choice?</quote> Because biology A father is half the baby but 0% of the pregnancy</quote> So why should he be financially responsible if he doesn't want it? And its called a Paper abortion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_abortion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 05/19/19 10:20:11 AM #28:	hockeybub89 posted... 0% of the pregnancy As a father and husband, it's true that the woman handles all the physical labors. But other than that, its complete bullshit that the father carries zero burden during the pregnancy. The mental support a good husband provides allows his SO to deal with and handle the pregnancy. Being supportive and comforting is absolutely crucial to a good pregnancy. If you think that a GOOD husband contributed 0% to a pregnancy you've never been with someone who is pregnant or you yourself were a horrible partner. --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:922091940] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>0% of the pregnancy</quote> As a father and husband, it's true that the woman handles all the physical labors. But other than that, its complete bullshit that the father carries zero burden during the pregnancy. The mental support a good husband provides allows his SO to deal with and handle the pregnancy. Being supportive and comforting is absolutely crucial to a good pregnancy. If you think that a GOOD husband contributed 0% to a pregnancy you've never been with someone who is pregnant or you yourself were a horrible partner.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eridania67814 05/19/19 10:35:29 AM #29:	chrono625 posted... hockeybub89 posted... 0% of the pregnancy As a father and husband, it's true that the woman handles all the physical labors. But other than that, its complete bullshit that the father carries zero burden during the pregnancy. The mental support a good husband provides allows his SO to deal with and handle the pregnancy. Being supportive and comforting is absolutely crucial to a good pregnancy. If you think that a GOOD husband contributed 0% to a pregnancy you've never been with someone who is pregnant or you yourself were a horrible partner. Very well said. 1NfamousACE_2 posted... I feel like men should be able to get a ruling that they want nothing to do with the baby and mother and if the woman wants the baby after that, then that's her prerogative. This is also a decent idea. I do not support the idea that a man should be forced into supporting a kid they don't want any more than a woman should. That ruling should make the father pay for half the abortion fees if the woman agrees. So, actually, I wonder if it would be easier on the whole child support system if every unmarried woman were required to go to court once a successful ultrasound was conducted? That's usually not enough time for the dad to somehow leave the planet undetected as they act like when they can't find the dad. An ultrasound has to be conducted before an abortion anyway because the time of gestation changes the way they do it. The woman goes to court, provides all info on the dad, the guy is subpoenaed, if the dude doesn't claim it isn't his they go ahead with the plan above. If the guy claims it isn't his and she insists, they can at that point force her to carry the baby to term, take the DNA from the dad and chip him for tracking, then when they can safely do the DNA test and the guy is the dad, force the guy to be 75% financially responsible for the kid because he's dumb enough to think he can fuck without getting someone pregnant, or dumb enough to lie in court. If the dude is not the father, but he wants the baby, let him have it and sever the rights from Mom for being a biologically ignorant hoe. Complicated way but it would be most fair because it punishes both for being irresponsible --- -- - <cite>eridania67814 posted [p:922092353] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>0% of the pregnancy</quote> As a father and husband, it's true that the woman handles all the physical labors. But other than that, its complete bullshit that the father carries zero burden during the pregnancy. The mental support a good husband provides allows his SO to deal with and handle the pregnancy. Being supportive and comforting is absolutely crucial to a good pregnancy. If you think that a GOOD husband contributed 0% to a pregnancy you've never been with someone who is pregnant or you yourself were a horrible partner.</quote> Very well said. <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like men should be able to get a ruling that they want nothing to do with the baby and mother and if the woman wants the baby after that, then that's her prerogative.</quote> This is also a decent idea. I do not support the idea that a man should be forced into supporting a kid they don't want any more than a woman should. That ruling should make the father pay for half the abortion fees if the woman agrees. So, actually, I wonder if it would be easier on the whole child support system if every unmarried woman were required to go to court once a successful ultrasound was conducted? That's usually not enough time for the dad to somehow leave the planet undetected as they act like when they can't find the dad. An ultrasound has to be conducted before an abortion anyway because the time of gestation changes the way they do it. The woman goes to court, provides all info on the dad, the guy is subpoenaed, if the dude doesn't claim it isn't his they go ahead with the plan above. If the guy claims it isn't his and she insists, they can at that point force her to carry the baby to term, take the DNA from the dad and chip him for tracking, then when they can safely do the DNA test and the guy is the dad, force the guy to be 75% financially responsible for the kid because he's dumb enough to think he can fuck without getting someone pregnant, or dumb enough to lie in court. If the dude is not the father, but he wants the baby, let him have it and sever the rights from Mom for being a biologically ignorant hoe. Complicated way but it would be most fair because it punishes both for being irresponsible</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 05/19/19 10:54:46 AM #30:	UltimaW posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... I feel like men should be able to get a ruling that they want nothing to do with the baby and mother and if the woman wants the baby after that, then that's her prerogative. I feel like people with opinions like this will never have to worry about it. Many woman are getting with and f** obvious deadbeat thugs all the damn time and you think their draw the line with him? I personally wouldnt mind this either, but who's going to help care for this child becuase the government sure as hell doesn't want to. Plus theres no way a woman is allowing a doctor, a movie star, or a pro athlete off the hook easily or any guy with a good medium income salary to be honest. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:922092907] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>UltimaW posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like men should be able to get a ruling that they want nothing to do with the baby and mother and if the woman wants the baby after that, then that's her prerogative.</quote> I feel like people with opinions like this will never have to worry about it.</quote> Many woman are getting with and f** obvious deadbeat thugs all the damn time and you think their draw the line with him? I personally wouldnt mind this either, but who's going to help care for this child becuase the government sure as hell doesn't want to. Plus theres no way a woman is allowing a doctor, a movie star, or a pro athlete off the hook easily or any guy with a good medium income salary to be honest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knutjob 05/19/19 10:58:44 AM #31:	This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks. <cite>knutjob posted [p:922093004] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1NfamousACE_2 05/19/19 11:01:37 AM #32:	knutjob posted... This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks. As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad? --- New signature needed, acquire within from management <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:922093077] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks.</quote> As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 05/19/19 11:02:48 AM #33:	Unless we want to foist the cost of children onto the state, somebody has to pay for them. I don't know how it works currently, but there should certainly be the ability to completely walk away with the consent of both parties if that isn't already a thing. The mother does have more control, but she's also the one who has to literally carry and support it for nearly a year so that makes sense. Anytime you have sex, there is a chance of a child, so you're fully taking that risk. <cite>nemu posted [p:922093107] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>Unless we want to foist the cost of children onto the state, somebody has to pay for them. I don't know how it works currently, but there should certainly be the ability to completely walk away with the consent of both parties if that isn't already a thing. The mother does have more control, but she's also the one who has to literally carry and support it for nearly a year so that makes sense. Anytime you have sex, there is a chance of a child, so you're fully taking that risk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knutjob 05/19/19 11:04:59 AM #34:	1NfamousACE_2 posted... knutjob posted... This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks. As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad? Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting. <cite>knutjob posted [p:922093162] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks.</quote> As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad?</quote> Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/19/19 11:05:42 AM #35:	chrono625 posted... hockeybub89 posted... 0% of the pregnancy As a father and husband, it's true that the woman handles all the physical labors. But other than that, its complete bullshit that the father carries zero burden during the pregnancy. The mental support a good husband provides allows his SO to deal with and handle the pregnancy. Being supportive and comforting is absolutely crucial to a good pregnancy. If you think that a GOOD husband contributed 0% to a pregnancy you've never been with someone who is pregnant or you yourself were a horrible partner. I was talking physical, and about terminated pregnancies. The man isn't carrying the baby, so he ultimately should have 0 say over whether or not it is born. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922093178] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>0% of the pregnancy</quote> As a father and husband, it's true that the woman handles all the physical labors. But other than that, its complete bullshit that the father carries zero burden during the pregnancy. The mental support a good husband provides allows his SO to deal with and handle the pregnancy. Being supportive and comforting is absolutely crucial to a good pregnancy. If you think that a GOOD husband contributed 0% to a pregnancy you've never been with someone who is pregnant or you yourself were a horrible partner.</quote> I was talking physical, and about terminated pregnancies. The man isn't carrying the baby, so he ultimately should have 0 say over whether or not it is born.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1NfamousACE_2 05/19/19 11:09:06 AM #36:	knutjob posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... knutjob posted... This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks. As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad? Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting. The fact that you think money equals parenting is the problem. --- New signature needed, acquire within from management <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:922093262] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks.</quote> As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad?</quote> Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting.</quote> The fact that you think money equals parenting is the problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knutjob 05/19/19 11:10:43 AM #37:	1NfamousACE_2 posted... knutjob posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... knutjob posted... This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks. As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad? Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting. The fact that you think money equals parenting is the problem. I think you deliberately misinterpreting what I wrote is closer to the problem <cite>knutjob posted [p:922093300] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks.</quote> As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad?</quote> Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting.</quote> The fact that you think money equals parenting is the problem.</quote> I think you deliberately misinterpreting what I wrote is closer to the problem</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/19/19 11:11:09 AM #38:	1NfamousACE_2 posted... hockeybub89 posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... UltimaW posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... I feel like men should be able to get a ruling that they want nothing to do with the baby and mother and if the woman wants the baby after that, then that's her prerogative. I feel like people with opinions like this will never have to worry about it. Why should you be on the hook for a baby you didn't want? But if it was the opposite, with her not wanting the baby and you wanting the baby, you have no choice? Because biology A father is half the baby but 0% of the pregnancy So why should he be financially responsible if he doesn't want it? And its called a Paper abortion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_abortion Because a baby has two parents and should thus be supported by each if born. Men just need to deal with pregnancy not being fair pre-birth. Wallets and bodies are incomparable. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922093313] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UltimaW posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like men should be able to get a ruling that they want nothing to do with the baby and mother and if the woman wants the baby after that, then that's her prerogative.</quote> I feel like people with opinions like this will never have to worry about it.</quote> Why should you be on the hook for a baby you didn't want? But if it was the opposite, with her not wanting the baby and you wanting the baby, you have no choice?</quote> Because biology A father is half the baby but 0% of the pregnancy</quote> So why should he be financially responsible if he doesn't want it? And its called a Paper abortion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_abortion</quote> Because a baby has two parents and should thus be supported by each if born. Men just need to deal with pregnancy not being fair pre-birth. Wallets and bodies are incomparable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/19/19 11:12:27 AM #39:	1NfamousACE_2 posted... knutjob posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... knutjob posted... This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks. As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad? Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting. The fact that you think money equals parenting is the problem. Single-parenting is a worse parenting though and the child only being financially supported by the mother makes it even worse. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922093345] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks.</quote> As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad?</quote> Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting.</quote> The fact that you think money equals parenting is the problem.</quote> Single-parenting is a worse parenting though and the child only being financially supported by the mother makes it even worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1NfamousACE_2 05/19/19 11:13:28 AM #40:	hockeybub89 posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... knutjob posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... knutjob posted... This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks. As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad? Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting. The fact that you think money equals parenting is the problem. Single-parenting is a worse parenting though and the child only being financially supported by the mother makes it even worse. So, single-parenting is worse than parenting when the man despises the child? Yea, okay. --- New signature needed, acquire within from management <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:922093379] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks.</quote> As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad?</quote> Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting.</quote> The fact that you think money equals parenting is the problem.</quote> Single-parenting is a worse parenting though and the child only being financially supported by the mother makes it even worse.</quote> So, single-parenting is worse than parenting when the man despises the child? Yea, okay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turbam 05/19/19 11:15:33 AM #41:	A whole mess of Incels up itt --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! https://imgur.com/p9Xvjvs <cite>Turbam posted [p:922093433] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>A whole mess of Incels up itt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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knutjob 05/19/19 11:18:35 AM #43:	1NfamousACE_2 posted... hockeybub89 posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... knutjob posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... knutjob posted... This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks. As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad? Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting. The fact that you think money equals parenting is the problem. Single-parenting is a worse parenting though and the child only being financially supported by the mother makes it even worse. So, single-parenting is worse than parenting when the man despises the child? Yea, okay. Why do you have such a low opinion of men? <cite>knutjob posted [p:922093509] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks.</quote> As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad?</quote> Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting.</quote> The fact that you think money equals parenting is the problem.</quote> Single-parenting is a worse parenting though and the child only being financially supported by the mother makes it even worse.</quote> So, single-parenting is worse than parenting when the man despises the child? Yea, okay.</quote> Why do you have such a low opinion of men?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/19/19 11:19:25 AM #44:	1NfamousACE_2 posted... hockeybub89 posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... knutjob posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... knutjob posted... This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks. As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad? Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting. The fact that you think money equals parenting is the problem. Single-parenting is a worse parenting though and the child only being financially supported by the mother makes it even worse. So, single-parenting is worse than parenting when the man despises the child? Yea, okay. Single-parenting on one paycheck is worse than single-parenting on two paychecks. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922093527] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks.</quote> As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad?</quote> Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting.</quote> The fact that you think money equals parenting is the problem.</quote> Single-parenting is a worse parenting though and the child only being financially supported by the mother makes it even worse.</quote> So, single-parenting is worse than parenting when the man despises the child? Yea, okay.</quote> Single-parenting on one paycheck is worse than single-parenting on two paychecks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 05/19/19 11:19:51 AM #45:	While I do agree with this, the deadbeat parents fucked it up where the law errs on the side of caution. If you said you don't want a kid and she decided she didn't care about your feelings on the matter. Fine. Perhaps some sort of legal contract can be put into place. Its not fair for the kid and parent when the shitheads, (father, mother or both) decide that they suddenly didn't want a kid after they were initially alright with it and abandoned them or dumped them on relatives. I say this from experience as someone who has a kid, where my ex fiance convinced me to have one, and then ditched her several months after she was born. He was a deadbeat dad. He can rot in hell too. I also say this as a child of two deadbeat parents. My dad left when I was 5 and didn't try to reconcile or reconnect until I was 18. My mom dumped me on my paternal grandparents when I was a baby, won me in a custody battle when I was 7, raised me for 5 years and then dumped me again, first on my maternal relatives and later in the system when I ran away and only visited a literal handful of times. If they both died tomorrow, I'd only go to their funerals to piss on their graves. Forcing an unwanted kid on a person is very fucked up. Deadbeat parents are also very fucked up, so yeah, blame them. --- 2DS FC tempest 1478 9807 1205 <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:922093541] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>While I do agree with this, the deadbeat parents fucked it up where the law errs on the side of caution. If you said you don't want a kid and she decided she didn't care about your feelings on the matter. Fine. Perhaps some sort of legal contract can be put into place. Its not fair for the kid and parent when the shitheads, (father, mother or both) decide that they suddenly didn't want a kid after they were initially alright with it and abandoned them or dumped them on relatives. I say this from experience as someone who has a kid, where my ex fiance convinced me to have one, and then ditched her several months after she was born. He was a deadbeat dad. He can rot in hell too. I also say this as a child of two deadbeat parents. My dad left when I was 5 and didn't try to reconcile or reconnect until I was 18. My mom dumped me on my paternal grandparents when I was a baby, won me in a custody battle when I was 7, raised me for 5 years and then dumped me again, first on my maternal relatives and later in the system when I ran away and only visited a literal handful of times. If they both died tomorrow, I'd only go to their funerals to piss on their graves. Forcing an unwanted kid on a person is very fucked up. Deadbeat parents are also very fucked up, so yeah, blame them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1NfamousACE_2 05/19/19 11:19:56 AM #46:	knutjob posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... hockeybub89 posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... knutjob posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... knutjob posted... This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks. As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad? Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting. The fact that you think money equals parenting is the problem. Single-parenting is a worse parenting though and the child only being financially supported by the mother makes it even worse. So, single-parenting is worse than parenting when the man despises the child? Yea, okay. Why do you have such a low opinion of men? Answering the question with a question never works. I don't have a low opinion of men either. --- New signature needed, acquire within from management <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:922093544] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks.</quote> As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad?</quote> Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting.</quote> The fact that you think money equals parenting is the problem.</quote> Single-parenting is a worse parenting though and the child only being financially supported by the mother makes it even worse.</quote> So, single-parenting is worse than parenting when the man despises the child? Yea, okay.</quote> Why do you have such a low opinion of men?</quote> Answering the question with a question never works. I don't have a low opinion of men either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/19/19 11:20:49 AM #47:	GregShmedley posted... But it isn't the same the other way around and that's wrong. If I wanted her to have an abortion and she didn't want one, then I would be legally obligated to support the child and that's bullshit. I would never sign away my parental rights and obligations but a man absolutely should have that right. It's absolutely not wrong and men should only have the right if we can figure out how to make it up to the child. Again, pregnancy is just naturally biased towards the woman. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922093565] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote>But it isn't the same the other way around and that's wrong. If I wanted her to have an abortion and she didn't want one, then I would be legally obligated to support the child and that's bullshit. I would never sign away my parental rights and obligations but a man absolutely should have that right.</quote> It's absolutely not wrong and men should only have the right if we can figure out how to make it up to the child. Again, pregnancy is just naturally biased towards the woman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1NfamousACE_2 05/19/19 11:21:23 AM #48:	hockeybub89 posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... hockeybub89 posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... knutjob posted... 1NfamousACE_2 posted... knutjob posted... This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks. As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad? Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting. The fact that you think money equals parenting is the problem. Single-parenting is a worse parenting though and the child only being financially supported by the mother makes it even worse. So, single-parenting is worse than parenting when the man despises the child? Yea, okay. Single-parenting on one paycheck is worse than single-parenting on two paychecks. Thats not what you said though. --- New signature needed, acquire within from management <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:922093588] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>This will just increase the already large amount of deadbeat dads who wuss out right before their kid is born. The state will end up picking up the tab too. No thanks.</quote> As opposed to getting $250 every month from the dad?</quote> Imagine that. A child being entitled to at least some kind of parenting.</quote> The fact that you think money equals parenting is the problem.</quote> Single-parenting is a worse parenting though and the child only being financially supported by the mother makes it even worse.</quote> So, single-parenting is worse than parenting when the man despises the child? Yea, okay.</quote> Single-parenting on one paycheck is worse than single-parenting on two paychecks.</quote> Thats not what you said though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 05/19/19 11:27:07 AM #50:	I intended to say that single-parenting is bad enough without the child also only having the financial support of one parent. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922093719] in The govern... [t:77724839]...</cite> <quote>I intended to say that single-parenting is bad enough without the child also only having the financial support of one parent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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