Board 8 > Tales of Vespeakupdia

(+) Yeah! (+)

this plot makes no goddamn sense
---

Judith has a kos mos costume so i was gonna use her when i get her
---

Snrkiko posted...

Judith has a kos mos costume so i was gonna use her when i get her

Wow, it's like I never left
---

Snrkiko posted...

Judith has a kos mos costume so i was gonna use her when i get her

You just sold me on this game
---

The Destoyer posted...

Snrkiko posted...

Judith has a kos mos costume so i was gonna use her when i get her

Wow, it's like I never left

excuse me
---

I'm not sure i understand what is triggering the different symbols in battle that let me hit R2 for instant kill
---

Snrkiko posted...

I'm not sure i understand what is triggering the different symbols in battle that let me hit R2 for instant kill

Every attack has a color associated with it (for normal attacks it's just the direction of the arrow, and you can check artes in the menu.) As you hit enemies, it'll drain a meter for that color. When it bottoms out, you can use a Fatal Strike.

Different enemies are weaker or stronger to different colors, you can check that in the battle book and keep an eye on their meters mid fight so long as you've magic lens'd them.
---

oh i guess i should use the magic lens items then
---

I have many issues with this game's pacing
---

LOL WOW THAT FIGHT WITH YURI VS ALL THE JACKASSES WAS THE MOST ANNOYING THING I'VE DEALT WITH IN A VIDEO GAME IN A LONG TIME

jesus christ who thought that was ok when they made this game
---

that battle really pissed me off
---

they're bouncing...
---

am i a fraud if i play on semi-auto
---

There's nothing wrong with semi-auto - I actually prefer it in a majority of Tales games.

This is the one game I always play on manual though because most of the advanced techniques are locked behind it - there's an entire cancelling system critical to playing the game at the highest level that you actually flat out can't do if you're not on manual. But as long as you're having fun, you're fine!
---

what technique?

im playing as judith because spear chicks with ponytails is my thing but on manual i whiff like all of my attacks lol

also it seems like she can do a three hit combo sometimes if i do a directional attack during the string? but i haven't been able to figure out the mechanics exactly
---

Snrkiko posted...

spear chicks with ponytails is my thing

Eleanor from Berseria is right up your alley too, then
---

i just googled her and she looks so ojou tsundere

bleh
---

Snrkiko posted...

what technique?

If you're playing on manual, you can do what's known as a "free run cancel" or more commonly a "manual cancel." Basically you hold the free run button and push forward at the end of the active frames of any attack or arte and your character will skip the ending animation and instantly break into a free run.

You can mix this with guarding to instantly block out of your active frames or use an alternate "spell cancel" on magic characters to enormously cut down on the ending lag for all your moves, making them way safer and allowing you to string together a ton of combos that would otherwise be totally impossible. I'd go so far as to call it mandatory if you're playing on hard since this game has a ton of ending lag on attacks without it and you get punished for openings super hard.
---

Even without cancelling, I feel in this game proper spacing and being able to attack while not right next to an enemy is pretty important.

Like in the first Zagi fight. On Manual it's pretty easy if you slash as Zagi is running towards you. You'll catch him before he attacks and be able to combo him. On semi-auto, you slash and instead Yuri will run at Zagi first because you're not right next to him and that will just give Zagi enough time to hit you before you hit him
---

Yeah, that's a great point. You can get away with the distance limitations of semi-auto in later Tales games for the most part, but Vesperia is very strict when it comes to positioning and some fights really expect you to carefully consider every inch. (Likely a harsh correction after how you could literally run circles around helpless enemies in Abyss, lol)
---

ok I'll give manual another shot. seems like I'd want that for a spear (why does Judith suck so hard at hitting flying enemies with her first attack)
---

Experiment with different directional normals for Judith - I can't remember which off the top of my head but one is good for launching and another is good for enemies already above you.

FYI since you seem interested in her, Judith is trash tier until you get aerial combo extenders, which make her decent, then god tier once she gets Jump Cancel, then just flat out Queen of the Sky once you get the rest of the aerial bells and whistles.

She also absolutely NEEDS to be able to use all of her artes in the air. You can allow her to do that either through expensive skills (she starts with the base arte one) or by unlocking aerial use on an individual basis by using any given arte 100-200 times. (It varies)
---

thanks, that's good to know. I'm gonna stick with her and will see what i can figure out. for the upwards attack, i accidentally get the jumping attack a lot. need to figure that out. I wish there was like a training mode so i could just figure out stuff.

also... are there unexplained arte extensions? i could have sworn i accidentally did a follow up hit to Yuri's early launcher arte and also for his flurry punch arte...
---

Yeah, it's related to the individual arte unlocking I mentioned, and it's SO DUMB. Legit the one thing I really dislike about Vesperia - not because of the system itself, but because there's no in-game way to check its properties.

A lot of artes grow stronger in some way as you use them - an easy example is Fireball shoots more fireballs the more Rita has cast it. But some are much more opaque - some artes become aerial enabled, some add more hits, some become able to be canceled, some gain the ability to pick up downed foes, etc etc.

Here's Judith's full list of artes and when they grow, if you want it.

https://aselia.fandom.com/wiki/ToV_-_Judith:_Artes
---

oh man, interesting.

okay thank you.

btw I googled the alternative costumes you can unlock... and have determined i am sticking with the kos mos outfit. estelle and yuri have a few good ones to pick from, Karol has KLONOA. but wow rita has no good costumes
---

and i don't care much for raven or Flynn. sounds like repede is great in battle but I've never been much of a fan of animal party animals

is patty any fun to play? i actually like her English va lol
---

Patty is fucking AMAZING but she's even more complicated than Judith - she's basically a gambler character and you use skills and some general trickery to stack the odds in your favor. She's absolutely bananas and crazy fun if you figure her out.
---

barf
---

do you prooooooomise not to try to kill estelle again?

ok, welcome aboard!
---

hey a ghost ship

yep this is a jrpg
---

hey a weapon that gives judith a double jump

neato i still look like an idiot mashing around in fights

but now i can apparently chain one basic arte into another?
---