Board 8 > dangan ronpa v3 (spoilers)

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I'm still mad about the first case and also the ending and kinda the rest of it too
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I just rolled with it and it was very enjoyable

Super silly, but enjoyable.

what part was enjoyable for you
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Pretty much all of it, once I turned my brain off beyond what was needed to clear the game.

It's fucking Danganronpa what else am I supposed to do with it

Its my favorite game in the trilogy.
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Silliest game in a silly franchise.
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I did not find it to be the good kinda silly but I am willing to chalk that up to salt over the bait and switch

don't know how anybody could stand the ending though
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Reg posted...

It's fucking Danganronpa what else am I supposed to do with it

I thought you were supposed to grow attached to a character, so you'd properly feel the despair when said character is inevitably killed off.
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Dark Young Link posted...

Reg posted...

It's fucking Danganronpa what else am I supposed to do with it

I thought you were supposed to grow attached to a character, so you'd properly feel the despair when said character is inevitably killed off.

It can actually happen
It happened to me once
Chiaki
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Tom Bombadil posted...

I did not find it to be the good kinda silly but I am willing to chalk that up to salt over the bait and switch

don't know how anybody could stand the ending though

That ending was awesome. Best in the series.
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feeling despair when you lose a character you like is a valid feeling but also when you kill off the best character it's like "well now i have to go through the next 75% of the game playing as a character i don't like as much, and that's not as fun"

to be clear i still liked the rest of the game but it was definitely a blow

and i liked the ending

Dels posted...

feeling despair when you lose a character you like is a valid feeling but also when you kill off the best character it's like "well now i have to go through the next 75% of the game playing as a character i don't like as much, and that's not as fun"

to be clear i still liked the rest of the game but it was definitely a blow

Kaede is indeed the best DRV3 character
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The ending is incredible.
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Dels posted...

feeling despair when you lose a character you like is a valid feeling but also when you kill off the best character it's like "well now i have to go through the next 75% of the game playing as a character i don't like as much, and that's not as fun"

to be clear i still liked the rest of the game but it was definitely a blow

TFW Steam has the "Female Protagonist" tag for V3...
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I feel like Kaede would be a lot more boring if she had lived as the main character through the whole game.
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Espeon posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

I did not find it to be the good kinda silly but I am willing to chalk that up to salt over the bait and switch

don't know how anybody could stand the ending though

That ending was awesome. Best in the series.

please explain what you liked about it

because I don't THINK the intended takeaway was screw this entire series and screw YOU the player for supporting it but I don't know what else it would be

like this topic is 50% wanting to vent and 50% trying to understand why I seem to be the only person who hated it

Kaede was shaping up to be my favorite character in the series from the word go, and Diet Naegi one of my least favorites, so I barely even made it past the beginning of chapter 2
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Tom Bombadil posted...

like this topic is 50% wanting to vent and 50% trying to understand why I seem to be the only person who hated it

To be clear, I don't think it was objectively good or well written or anything. It was pretty stupid, but I just went with it because it fit the rest of the game (which was also pretty stupid, but that doesn't mean it can't be amusing)

why are we spoiler tagging things in a topic marked spoilers

i thought the ending was cool and honestly a large part of it is probably just because danganronpa, while often failing at, like... actually making sense, always has good aesthetic and presentation and etc, plus i like tsumugi. i thought it was unique and fun.

i also think it has interesting thematic implications on the ideas of what is or isn't "real" but i'll save that for another time because of reasons

One, I liked the specifics of the twist. The idea that everything was just part of a reality show explained so many of the goofier contrivances. I especially liked the audition tapes that showed the cast as famewhoring assholes. I found that fascinating.

Two, I liked the Keebo reveal. Hes the real protagonist because the majority of viewers are good people who want good to prevail.

Three, Shuichi is a fucking boss in that chapter, particularly in defying the hope must prevail narrative. It was a meta argument, but it felt satisfying, given the story being told.

Four, the final case in general felt so much cooler than the rest of the series. Like, youre exploring and finding clues that the mastermind wasnt just allowing you to find. It makes the investigation feel so much more earned when you reach the final outcome.

The only flaw is that Tsumugi sucks, but thats just bad writing of her character more than anything.
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The entire ending is about how fiction matters and how important it is. Shuichi goes on a whole rant about it. Your take away is the exact opposite of the intended takeaway, which is understandable since they go out of the way to try and make that seem to be the case.

Best game and best ending IMO, both in regards to games period, not just DR!

Edit: to clarify, the opposite take away comment was for Tom.
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Yeah Shuichi really came into his own. At first I was upset with him taking over as the main character, but it really worked out.
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Espeon posted...

One, I liked the specifics of the twist.

Upon reflection I think I would've been a lot cooler with it if it had only applied to v3

Espeon posted...

defying the hope must prevail narrative

didn't we kinda already do that in 2 though?

LapisLazuli posted...

Your take away is the exact opposite of the intended takeaway

alrighty fair enough I guess

LapisLazuli posted...

Best game and best ending IMO, both in regards to games period, not just DR!

o_O
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I mean, the ending IS amazing. Maybe one of my favorite endings to a VN at least, behind Fata Morgana.
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I pretty much agree with reg. this series is enjoyable has always been stupid and not much in it is worth taking seriously.

I can understand hating the ending though.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Upon reflection I think I would've been a lot cooler with it if it had only applied to v3

They throw that possibility out there in the post-credits scene.

Tom Bombadil posted...

didn't we kinda already do that in 2 though?

Not really.
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Yeah they literally have a whole scene going "What if it isn't actually bullshit and Tsumugi was fucking with us and Hopes Peak actually exists" at the very end.

Which is a STRONG possibility and there is some evidence toward it.

I thought the ending was absolutely terrible when I first went through it, to the point where I wasn't actually sure if I liked V3 or DR1 better, and I straight up don't like DR1.

But then I sat on it for a while, and the more I thought about it, the more I actually kinda love it. There are a lot of little details that come to light because of the final reveal. That kid Makoto that watches the show was actually named Makoto because his parents were big fans of DR1. The Monokids are purposefully terrible because the show's gone on for so long, they were running out of ideas and made more mascots so kids would buy more merchandise. There's a lot of little stuff like that you can infer after the fact.

What I'm saying is, just sit on it for a bit. You'll come to appreciate it more and more after some time.
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I think the ending is bad, but mostly just because the Tsumugi twist is bad

I don't know, I remember really hating it but I haven't played it in a year or so. maybe it's not actually that bad.

the ending is bad and massively overdrawn, but every DR ending is bad and massively overdrawn

other than that, i thought it was... pretty okay
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All they needed to do to fix the ending was to correctly pay off Kaede's arc at the end.

- The piece of evidence they get that Kaede has a twin sister turns out to be true, instead of being a ridiculous red herring for no reason.

- Shuichi confirms the truth of this by using the insane logic of Tsumugi's cospox affliction. She got cospox when she cosplayed Kaede, but if they're all fictional characters, this shouldn't have happened, which means Kaede must be a real person.

- We see "Kaede's" audition tape, in which we get a heartfelt moment where she says, "I don't want to be an Ultimate anything... I just want to be like my sister, the most amazing person in the world." The Kaede we know is a fictional character based on the real Kaede.

- Knowing that Kaede is still alive and out there somewhere, and that she's the same awesome and inspirational person that made him a better person, Shuichi finds new resolve to stop the killing game for good and to escape to the real world.

This not only uses the whole real/fake logic in an interesting, Danganronpa-ish twist, but it also gives a nice throughline for Kaede to the end of the game, where her sacrifice at the start of the game isn't a gimmicky plot twist but a setup for Shuichi's character development at the end. Aside from the retrial of the first case Kaede is kind of irrelevant in the finale, which is too bad - it would have been a lot more interesting to give her character a reason to exist.

I literally cannot believe they set this up so nicely and they just failed to capitalize on any of it. It's so weird and anticlimactic.

Paratroopa1 posted...

- The piece of evidence they get that Kaede has a twin sister turns out to be true, instead of being a ridiculous red herring for no reason.

Oooof, you lost me.

To me that was intentionally being set up as the dumbest twist possible to tie into DR1 as an "Easter Egg" to make it getting shot down all the more satisfying. Would basically ruin this whole game.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

- The piece of evidence they get that Kaede has a twin sister turns out to be true, instead of being a ridiculous red herring for no reason.

Oooof, you lost me.

To me that was intentionally being set up as the dumbest twist possible to tie into DR1 as an "Easter Egg" to make it getting shot down all the more satisfying. Would basically ruin this whole game.

The idea though is that it would seem to imply the twist from DR1, get shot down, but then be a Chekhov's boomerang that comes back around and ends up being relevant in a surprising way

You could take out the piece of evidence that Kaede has a twin sister altogether, it doesn't really make a difference to the idea I presented anyway

It is kind of bizarre that the legitimacy of "cospox" is never really explored at all when it really should be, and instead they immediately jump to the mind-blowing conclusion that Hope's Peak (and later, everybody) is ficitonal. Especially when you got this villain who is doing instantaneous costume changes in front of everyone, who could have easily faked it with some makeup.
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_SecretSquirrel posted...

It is kind of bizarre that the legitimacy of "cospox" is never really explored at all when it really should be, and instead they immediately jump to the mind-blowing conclusion that Hope's Peak (and later, everybody) is ficitonal. Especially when you got this villain who is doing instantaneous costume changes in front of everyone, who could have easily faked it with some makeup.

I mean I was fine with cospox as just a sort of handwave for not assuming it's Tsumugi cosplaying as someone all the time, but it is weird that it isn't re-examined when its logic becomes relevant

I really like Tsumugi, she's nice. But the mastermind reveal was too easy. She should've put up more of a fight.

Also Kaede is really cool as well.

To me Danganronpa has always been more about the characters than anything and I think DR3's cast is pretty swell. Korekiyo is a really good love-to-hate villain, Ouma is always intriguing (a better Nagito) and his banter with Keebo is really fun, Gonta is adorable, Kirumi's lovely, and Rantaro is the coolest first case victim. Too bad the rest of the female cast are kinda mediocre.
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Cospox is the dumbest aspect of that game. When I did my write-up for Tsumugi, I cited it as a major failing. "What was Tsumugi's alibi for the murder?" "Well, you see, I could possibly have cosplayed as someone else because of cospox." "Okay, that makes sense...wait a second, that doesn't even remotely answer my question." Cospox was a weird red herring that DOESN'T give Tsumugi an alibi (obviously, since she killed Rantaro), and it completely kneecapped her character. Can you imagine the potential if every case had someone accusing her or dressing up as the killer and committing the crime? Or Tsumugi just dressing up as someone else and fucking with people?
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Inviso posted...

Can you imagine the potential if every case had someone accusing her or dressing up as the killer and committing the crime?

Would get very old after the second trial at the latest
Inviso posted...

Or Tsumugi just dressing up as someone else and fucking with people?

Could be pretty awesome as long as it didn't bleed into the trials, even if it'd be completely against the "plain" persona she spends the entire game building up

Inviso posted...

"What was Tsumugi's alibi for the murder?" "Well, you see, I could possibly have cosplayed as someone else because of cospox." "Okay, that makes sense...wait a second, that doesn't even remotely answer my question." Cospox was a weird red herring that DOESN'T give Tsumugi an alibi (obviously, since she killed Rantaro)

Her original alibi is that she was in the dining hall with Miu and Kiyo, and I think someone else but I don't remember off the top of my head. Without knowledge of the secret passage from the bathroom to the Motherkuma room, there was no way to accuse her of being the killer since no one saw her enter or leave the library
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Tsumugis plain persona only exists to make her a completely nothing background character for shock factor, so anything that makes her more than just a plot twist is fine by me.
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