Current Events > I swear Democrats are cowards!

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Its CLEAR Trump should be impeached but they are too scared of a future election to do it. They dont care about whats best for the country. They only care about their own personal agendas and standings.

Republicans are cowards too of course and thats obvious. Too afraid to stand up to Trump knowing whats going on because they dont want it to negatively effect their standings. It doesnt matter if its for the good of the people.

Political standing is CLEARLY more important the country as a whole
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If they move to impeach and end up mobilizing Republican voters in 2020, our country is screwed for generations. How is that not considering what is best for the country?

We just have to wait for McConnell to kick the bucket. Then maybe we can get some traction. On anything.
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Sulugnaz posted...

Politicians only caring about winning and being re-elected? Well, I never. Oh wont someone find me a feinting couch.

So you just felt like being an ass today
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Sariana21 posted...

If they move to impeach and end up mobilizing Republican voters in 2020, our country is screwed for generations. How is that not considering what is best for the country?

We just have to wait for McConnell to kick the bucket. Then maybe we can get some traction. On anything.

Screwed? Lets not be over dramatic. Some policies you disagree with may be implemented but you wont be screwed
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DepreceV2 posted...

Sariana21 posted...

If they move to impeach and end up mobilizing Republican voters in 2020, our country is screwed for generations. How is that not considering what is best for the country?

We just have to wait for McConnell to kick the bucket. Then maybe we can get some traction. On anything.

Screwed? Lets not be over dramatic. Some policies you disagree with may be implemented but you wont be screwed

It's not about policies; it's about the courts. Not just SCOTUS.
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they tryna sway the people to push the movement. the party only wants to plant the ideas not make make them.

if any politician had the visibility like Trump has, theyd fumble under the pressure due to their every move scrutinized.
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DepreceV2 posted...

Sariana21 posted...

If they move to impeach and end up mobilizing Republican voters in 2020, our country is screwed for generations. How is that not considering what is best for the country?

We just have to wait for McConnell to kick the bucket. Then maybe we can get some traction. On anything.

Screwed? Lets not be over dramatic. Some policies you disagree with may be implemented but you wont be screwed

I'd say heavily stacking the judiciary in their favor while pushing out these ridiculous abortion bills with the sole intention of getting the case heard in the supreme court to overturn roe v wade will screw over a lot of Americans
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Sariana21 posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

Sariana21 posted...

If they move to impeach and end up mobilizing Republican voters in 2020, our country is screwed for generations. How is that not considering what is best for the country?

We just have to wait for McConnell to kick the bucket. Then maybe we can get some traction. On anything.

Screwed? Lets not be over dramatic. Some policies you disagree with may be implemented but you wont be screwed

It's not about policies; it's about the courts. Not just SCOTUS.

NinjaWarrior455 posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

Sariana21 posted...

If they move to impeach and end up mobilizing Republican voters in 2020, our country is screwed for generations. How is that not considering what is best for the country?

We just have to wait for McConnell to kick the bucket. Then maybe we can get some traction. On anything.

Screwed? Lets not be over dramatic. Some policies you disagree with may be implemented but you wont be screwed

I'd say heavily stacking the judiciary in their favor while pushing out these ridiculous abortion bills with the sole intention of getting the case heard in the supreme court to overturn roe v wade will screw over a lot of Americans

I guess thats fair but here is what I dont get. What makes people think Republicans are going to mobilize in massive numbers if he gets impeached?

Sure his base will yell, scream and mobilize but I dont see all republicans doing that. Im sure many are on the fence looking at this. Many voted for Trump for the policies even though they hate him. You have more moderate republicans just like you have moderate democrats. Why do you think Trump won in the first place? A big percent of Democrats hated both candidates so they threw their hands up and didnt vote for either.

I just dont see Republicans not part of Trumps base mobilizing because of that.
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if there are enough voters who would support the most corrupt president in our lifetimes despite all the evidence that would be necessary for a successful impeachment investigation, then we're completely fucked already
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Medussa posted...

if there are enough voters who would support the most corrupt president in our lifetimes despite all the evidence that would be necessary for a successful impeachment investigation, then we're completely fucked already

I completely agree with this
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they really really want bipartisanship in an age of right wing hyperpartisanship, and it's both sad and stupid. not going to happen
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I don't really see the point of impeaching. The Senate is going to vote to acquit, so all it's going to end up doing in the end is emboldening him and his supporters.
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Sariana21 posted...

If they move to impeach and end up mobilizing Republican voters

Just like in 2000 when Democrats were mobilized after Clinton's impeachment and Gore won.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

I don't really see the point of impeaching. The Senate is going to vote to acquit, so all it's going to end up doing in the end is emboldening him and his supporters.

So the Senate are full of cowards as well. If they know, without question, that would happen then I can see why they wouldnt do it.
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CyricZ posted...

Sariana21 posted...

If they move to impeach and end up mobilizing Republican voters

Just like in 2000 when Democrats were mobilized after Clinton's impeachment and Gore won.

Republican voters =/= Democratic voters
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Imagine being "I was torn on who to vote for, but after seeing Democrats publicly present every crime committed by Trump and his administration, and saw the Republican Senate take all that information and evidence and still decide "naaaah", I'm totally going to vote for those Republicans."
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Sariana21 posted...

CyricZ posted...

Sariana21 posted...

If they move to impeach and end up mobilizing Republican voters

Just like in 2000 when Democrats were mobilized after Clinton's impeachment and Gore won.

Republican voters =/= Democratic voters

The Democrats should not be looking to win Republican voters. We have more than enough undecided to fill in any gap.

Reminder that the Republicans won the popular vote once in the last thirty years.
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HBOSS posted...

they tryna sway the people to push the movement. the party only wants to plant the ideas not make make them.

if any politician had the visibility like Trump has, theyd fumble under the pressure due to their every move scrutinized.

Maybe Trump fumbles because he is a stupid piece of shit. Don't bring the average human being down to his level.
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CyricZ posted...

Imagine being "I was torn on who to vote for, but after seeing Democrats publicly present every crime committed by Trump and his administration, and saw the Republican Senate take all that information and evidence and still decide "naaaah", I'm totally going to vote for those Republicans."

Well, yeah, because those mean ol' Democrats are just picking on poor little Trump. It's a witch hunt, dont'cha know!
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

I don't really see the point of impeaching. The Senate is going to vote to acquit, so all it's going to end up doing in the end is emboldening him and his supporters.

Embolden them to what? Vote how they were going to anyway?

How many Trump supporters that are still on board are just waiting for a good argument from the Democrats to swap sides?
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CyricZ posted...

Sariana21 posted...

CyricZ posted...

Sariana21 posted...

If they move to impeach and end up mobilizing Republican voters

Just like in 2000 when Democrats were mobilized after Clinton's impeachment and Gore won.

Republican voters =/= Democratic voters

The Democrats should not be looking to win Republican voters. We have more than enough undecided to fill in any gap.

Reminder that the Republicans won the popular vote once in the last thirty years.

And yet theyve still had multiple Presidents in that timespan.
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Not pursuing impeachment will cause the Democrats to lose more voters than the Republicans would gain to an impeachment effort.

A significant part of the Blue Wave was to get at least one part of Congress to stand up to Trump. If the House isn't even going to try, then what reason is there to vote for the Democrats in 2020? Plus, if you don't start the process now, you aren't going to have that same support in 2021 if Trump wins again. "Oh, so you're impeaching only after Trump won again? SORE LOSERS!"
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hockeybub89 posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I don't really see the point of impeaching. The Senate is going to vote to acquit, so all it's going to end up doing in the end is emboldening him and his supporters.

Embolden them to what? Vote how they were going to anyway?

How many Trump supporters that are still on board are just waiting for a good argument from the Democrats to swap sides?

Yeah, this is what I don't get about Pelosi's argument against impeachment. It's simply not based in reality. Trump's supporters tend to be the kind of older, upper middle class white people who show up to vote on town budgets.
Failing to impeach, of course, dissatisfies the Democratic base and also signals to people who aren't really paying attention that Trump hasn't done anything that merits impeachment. In short, by failing to impeach Trump, the Democratic leadership in Congress is helping to downplay Trump's malfeasance.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I don't really see the point of impeaching. The Senate is going to vote to acquit, so all it's going to end up doing in the end is emboldening him and his supporters.

So, the better is message is to say "lol, we aren't doing anything. what trump and his administration are doing is just fine and dandy".
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Impeached on what grounds exactly

sktgamer_13dude posted...

CyricZ posted...

Sariana21 posted...

CyricZ posted...

Sariana21 posted...

If they move to impeach and end up mobilizing Republican voters

Just like in 2000 when Democrats were mobilized after Clinton's impeachment and Gore won.

Republican voters =/= Democratic voters

The Democrats should not be looking to win Republican voters. We have more than enough undecided to fill in any gap.

Reminder that the Republicans won the popular vote once in the last thirty years.

And yet theyve still had multiple Presidents in that timespan.

The failures of the American electoral system
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It's a question of what you want the undecided people to see: a party with plans to benefit the country, not just small segments of it, or the party that's spent a 4 year term trying to dethrone the guy in charge by any way but at the polls.
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Hulkasaurusrex posted...

Impeached on what grounds exactly

obstruction
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lightwarrior78 posted...

It's a question of what you want the undecided people to see: a party with plans to benefit the country, not just small segments of it, or the party that's spent a 4 year term trying to dethrone the guy in charge by any way but at the polls.

I don't see why those two are mutually exclusive.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Hulkasaurusrex posted...

Impeached on what grounds exactly

obstruction

Of what a fake inquiry when the law goes through things you think the dems won't get fucked.

ElatedVenusaur posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I don't really see the point of impeaching. The Senate is going to vote to acquit, so all it's going to end up doing in the end is emboldening him and his supporters.

Embolden them to what? Vote how they were going to anyway?

How many Trump supporters that are still on board are just waiting for a good argument from the Democrats to swap sides?

Yeah, this is what I don't get about Pelosi's argument against impeachment. It's simply not based in reality. Trump's supporters tend to be the kind of older, upper middle class white people who show up to vote on town budgets.
Failing to impeach, of course, dissatisfies the Democratic base and also signals to people who aren't really paying attention that Trump hasn't done anything that merits impeachment. In short, by failing to impeach Trump, the Democratic leadership in Congress is helping to downplay Trump's malfeasance.

Bingo. By not filing for impeachment, the message is "this is okay, we'll just keep our heads down and rely on the system".

The system that the Republicans have been trying to dismantle for the last three years.

And of course, the message of "this is a thing a President can do now".

Even a failure to convict is still an airing of every malfeasance committed by this administration, and the message that only by the fact of a Republican majority did the President avoid conviction.
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Hulkasaurusrex posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Hulkasaurusrex posted...

Impeached on what grounds exactly

obstruction

Of what a fake inquiry when the law goes through things you think the dems won't get fucked.

You don't need to be convicted of a crime to obstruct an investigation and "Everybody breaks the law" is a weird way to defend breaking the law.

I'm sure Manafort is laughing at how fake the investigation was with becoming a convicted felon and losing millions and all.
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lightwarrior78 posted...

It's a question of what you want the undecided people to see: a party with plans to benefit the country, not just small segments of it, or the party that's spent a 4 year term trying to dethrone the guy in charge by any way but at the polls.

Warren has been pumping out plan after plan after plan AND calling for impeachment proceedings. I think the answer of "Por que no los dos?" is applicable.
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I don't think we will ever understand why Trump obstructed justice in an investigation over something that didn't happen
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hockeybub89 posted...

Hulkasaurusrex posted...

Impeached on what grounds exactly

obstruction

Abuse of Power
Emoluments
Money Laundering

There's quite a bunch of offenses, though obstruction would be the most "slam dunk" of them.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

I don't really see the point of impeaching. The Senate is going to vote to acquit, so all it's going to end up doing in the end is emboldening him and his supporters.

How much bolder can they get, exactly? Impeachment or no impeachment, Trump is going to tell his voters that Democrats are anti-American and trying to stage a coup against him.

If you're concerned about how Trump and his voters will respond to doing the obviously right thing, you've already lost to Trump.
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It really is a damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Try to impeach him, Republicans laugh in your face, Fox News and all other media outlets start making Trump lok like a victim and suddenly he's dnald the dove again, independents may even start leaning more towards him because this act will be sold as yet another scheme in the failure democrat's playbook to try and get rid of someone just because they don't like him and now Trump has that Underdog outsider aura about him again

Don't do anything and rely on the voters. Independents will be furious, Progressive Democrats will be furious to the point they may start running to third parties, splintering the vote even more, democratic turn out starts lowering again.

It really is something exclusive to Trump that other politicians covet greatly especially those on the republican side, to be able to be as incompetent as he is, to be able to be that obvious of a criminal and still have a massive fanbase eager to do your bidding and have next to zero accountability for your actions? Who wouldn't want power like that, it's almost dictatorship tier power and he didn't even have to murder people to get it.America willingly let him do this.
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tremain07 posted...

It really is something exclusive to Trump that other politicians covet greatly especially those on the republican side, to be able to be as incompetent as he is, to be able to be that obvious of a criminal and still have a massive fanbase eager to do your bidding and have next to zero accountability for your actions? Who wouldn't want power like that, it's almost dictatorship tier power and he didn't even have to murder people to get it.America willingly let him do this.

His approval is like 42 percent.
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Antifar posted...

tremain07 posted...

It really is something exclusive to Trump that other politicians covet greatly especially those on the republican side, to be able to be as incompetent as he is, to be able to be that obvious of a criminal and still have a massive fanbase eager to do your bidding and have next to zero accountability for your actions? Who wouldn't want power like that, it's almost dictatorship tier power and he didn't even have to murder people to get it.America willingly let him do this.

His approval is like 42 percent.

according to Rasmussen, it's at 47%

(don't shoot the messenger, lol)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_may23
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garlic powder posted...

Antifar posted...

tremain07 posted...

It really is something exclusive to Trump that other politicians covet greatly especially those on the republican side, to be able to be as incompetent as he is, to be able to be that obvious of a criminal and still have a massive fanbase eager to do your bidding and have next to zero accountability for your actions? Who wouldn't want power like that, it's almost dictatorship tier power and he didn't even have to murder people to get it.America willingly let him do this.

His approval is like 42 percent.

according to Rasmussen, it's at 47%

(don't shoot the messenger, lol)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_may23

This is a fifteen year old account with less than a year of karma, posting Rasmussen polls
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Man such a great stategy on the left calling everyone but antifa peices of shit and to fuck off. They need to focus on policy not make shit up and retract it how's that russia investigation going.

Congress is just messing around and wasting time. This Trump issue needs to handled quickly. There are other very important things to get into like the first 50 pages of the Mueller report detailing Russia directly interfering with our election. Thats barely being discussed at all at this point and its a MAJOR issue that doesnt need to be swept under the rug!
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We need to oust the corporate Democrats and introduce real progressives.
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