Current Events > Religion is continuing to DIE OUT. Millennials are especially rejecting it.

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Fewer than half of Americans consider religion to be an extremely or very important part of their identity, according to a new study.

The American Family Survey, an annual national survey conducted by the Deseret News and the Center for the Study of Elections and Democracy at Brigham Young University, found that just 43% of Americans viewed religion as a core component of their identity in 2018.

For Millennials and even GenXers, the most common religion is no religion at all. The Nones claim 44% of the 1829 age group, and nearly that (43%) among those who are 3044.

This is more than twice their market share among Americans older than 65, just 21% of whom say they are atheist, agnostic, or nothing in particular. However, even that 21% is a five-point rise from where the over-65 group was in 2015, when just 16% identified themselves this way.

Link: https://bit.ly/2ErRdnj

agenda posters are the worst posters tbqh
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It's vastly better than embracing some garbage like prosperity gospel evangelicalism, but then there are plenty of atheists who believe in similar things.

imo it will be bad for society in the long run, i think the decline of religion is positive for societal progress but there are a lot of things associated with religion that are going away and not being replaced with anything meaningful. community, shared values, charity, etc
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ElatedVenusaur posted...

It's vastly better than embracing some garbage like prosperity gospel evangelicalism, but then there are plenty of atheists who believe in similar things.

Elaborate

Romulox28 posted...

i think the decline of religion is positive for societal progress but there are a lot of things associated with religion that are going away and not being replaced with anything meaningful. community, shared values, charity, etc

Is it truly meaningful if it's compelled? Is a Christian good for doing good deeds because it is part of his community and he/she is doing it to get into Heaven?

Good, finally we can move on from stone age theology.

Rejecting God or a deity*.
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ElatedVenusaur posted...

It's vastly better than embracing some garbage like prosperity gospel evangelicalism

Yeah, I'm a Christian but that theology is trash and I'd be happy to see it die out.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Romulox28 posted...

i think the decline of religion is positive for societal progress but there are a lot of things associated with religion that are going away and not being replaced with anything meaningful. community, shared values, charity, etc

Is it truly meaningful if it's compelled? Is a Christian good for doing good deeds because it is part of his community and he/she is doing it to get into Heaven?

i dont think a lot of it is compelled, i think the religion honestly gives a lot of people a foundation for compassion.

lots of people dump on religion but honestly most charity is religious and when you look at hospitals, schools, homeless shelters, etc so many of them are faith-based as well. for example, the catholic church can be considered by far the largest charity in the world. i found this reddit post about it (from r/catholicism so it's probably biased, but there are lots of sources):

https://bit.ly/2WcSgAB

i think a lot of nonreligious people like to think they have this innate sense of altruism but historically it seems that it's mostly the religious people that are willing to completely put their time & money on the line.

i am agnostic but this is something i struggle with. for all the bullshit religion has brought to the world, it also unites people, creates a sense of community, motivates people to do good deeds & charity, etc. when i look at nonreligious groups i cant help but notice a sense of negativity and nastiness in there, this nihilistic idea that what is here is all we've got and nothing will make it better
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There's a reason societies that evolved with christian values are the ones who care about human rights.
Morality becomes relative when you don't have anything to follow.
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Not religion, just modern Christianity. Muslims numbers are actually rising

Mister_Spyker posted...

There's a reason societies that evolved with christian values are the ones who care about human rights.
Morality becomes relative when you don't have anything to follow.

Weird how this is all the opposite of true.
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it's not that good because nothing but nihilism, amorality, and subjectivism is replacing it. those are weak or non-convictions that will be swallowed by muslim migrants honestly. islam continues to climb in numbers at a rapid pace. and unfortunately its not aristotelean / greco inspired islam which worked wonders for the golden age of islam. wahabism and other forms of violent jihadi islam spreads easily i think in current era.

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

Not religion, just modern Christianity.

This. Yall gotta stop acting like Christianity = Religion.
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Checkmate christians

Millennials: Reject religion; embrace Islam

A new Islamic world order is coming you heretics and apostates.
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Religion isn't nearly the problem. It's religious people that are the problem. Because we have people that drive carelessly, distracted, inebriated, under the influence, or just plain shitty doesn't mean we abandon the use of cars. We find a way to single those people out so that we can make car driving for everyone else safe.
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thanosibe posted...

Religion isn't nearly the problem. It's religious people that are the problem. Because we have people that drive carelessly, distracted, inebriated, under the influence, or just plain shitty doesn't mean we abandon the use of cars. We find a way to single those people out so that we can make car driving for everyone else safe.

"guns don't kill people, people kill people"
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rabbi_baby posted...

thanosibe posted...

Religion isn't nearly the problem. It's religious people that are the problem. Because we have people that drive carelessly, distracted, inebriated, under the influence, or just plain shitty doesn't mean we abandon the use of cars. We find a way to single those people out so that we can make car driving for everyone else safe.

"guns don't kill people, people kill people"

This has always been a really stupid comeback because guns have one specific purpose and that is to kill. So yeah guns kill.
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Can't say I'll miss it.
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thanosibe posted...

rabbi_baby posted...

thanosibe posted...

Religion isn't nearly the problem. It's religious people that are the problem. Because we have people that drive carelessly, distracted, inebriated, under the influence, or just plain shitty doesn't mean we abandon the use of cars. We find a way to single those people out so that we can make car driving for everyone else safe.

"guns don't kill people, people kill people"

This has always been a really stupid comeback because guns have one specific purpose and that is to kill. So yeah guns kill.

And what's the purpose of religion? All it seems to do is brainwash people into hurting or killing others.
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thanosibe posted...

Religion isn't nearly the problem. It's religious people that are the problem.

This. Evangelical hypocrisy is what's driving people away.
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When you get rid of religious differences, people just find other differences to attack. Especially young people, who are naturally looking to rebel against the status quo and/or authority.

It's no surprise that millennials are the generation that has embraced identity politics, which has been far more polarizing in modern U.S. history than religious differences.
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I think the key words are
extremely or very important part of their identity.
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The Admiral posted...

When you get rid of religious differences, people just find other differences to attack. Especially young people, who are naturally looking to rebel against the status quo and/or authority.

It's no surprise that millennials are the generation that has embraced identity politics, which has been far more polarizing in modern U.S. history than religious differences.

Lmao tell that to Muslims

rabbi_baby posted...

thanosibe posted...

rabbi_baby posted...

thanosibe posted...

Religion isn't nearly the problem. It's religious people that are the problem. Because we have people that drive carelessly, distracted, inebriated, under the influence, or just plain shitty doesn't mean we abandon the use of cars. We find a way to single those people out so that we can make car driving for everyone else safe.

"guns don't kill people, people kill people"

This has always been a really stupid comeback because guns have one specific purpose and that is to kill. So yeah guns kill.

And what's the purpose of religion? All it seems to do is brainwash people into hurting or killing others.

For one, we are talking about millenials in America, so we are basically talking about Christianity. And as has already been mentioned, Christianity is not the whole of religion. If millenials don't like Christianity than say Christianity.

And even at that there are still a wide variety of Christian faiths/sects. Since we do have shit Christians like Westboro, Christianity should be scrutinized if it's being used for bad. But that's just one church/sect out of all of Christianity.

As to what religions purpose is, I can't tell you. Lots of people get different things from different religions. That's why every culture has some belief system. I would say mostly to find a greater purpose in life, if there is indeed one.
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thanosibe posted...

rabbi_baby posted...

thanosibe posted...

rabbi_baby posted...

thanosibe posted...

Religion isn't nearly the problem. It's religious people that are the problem. Because we have people that drive carelessly, distracted, inebriated, under the influence, or just plain shitty doesn't mean we abandon the use of cars. We find a way to single those people out so that we can make car driving for everyone else safe.

"guns don't kill people, people kill people"

This has always been a really stupid comeback because guns have one specific purpose and that is to kill. So yeah guns kill.

And what's the purpose of religion? All it seems to do is brainwash people into hurting or killing others.

For one, we are talking about millenials in America, so we are basically talking about Christianity. And as has already been mentioned, Christianity is not the whole of religion. If millenials don't like Christianity than say Christianity.

And even at that there are still a wide variety of Christian faiths/sects. Since we do have shit Christians like Westboro, Christianity should be scrutinized if it's being used for bad. But that's just one church/sect out of all of Christianity.

As to what religions purpose is, I can't tell you. Lots of people get different things from different religions. That's why every culture has some belief system. I would say mostly to find a greater purpose in life, if there is indeed one.

It doesn't have a purpose. It doesn't achieve anything aside from death, suffering, and human rights abuses.

Every single religious person worldwide should be reeducated, Mao Zedong style.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Romulox28 posted...

i think the decline of religion is positive for societal progress but there are a lot of things associated with religion that are going away and not being replaced with anything meaningful. community, shared values, charity, etc

Is it truly meaningful if it's compelled? Is a Christian good for doing good deeds because it is part of his community and he/she is doing it to get into Heaven?

They aren't all like that at all. You're listening to what the internet says that most religious people are. There are a lot of them that simply want to do good to others because they feel that their god has been good to them.
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Good thing imo.
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Religion never dies out; it merely becomes substituted with other ideologies.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Romulox28 posted...

i think the decline of religion is positive for societal progress but there are a lot of things associated with religion that are going away and not being replaced with anything meaningful. community, shared values, charity, etc

Is it truly meaningful if it's compelled? Is a Christian good for doing good deeds because it is part of his community and he/she is doing it to get into Heaven?

The whole basis of Christianity is that your good deeds mean nothing in terms of getting into heaven and that all the good deeds in the world wont get you into heaven without accepting Jesus so....
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Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

Not religion, just modern Christianity. Muslims numbers are actually rising

Probably because you arent allowed to leave the group without the threat of violence

CanuckCowboy posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

Romulox28 posted...

i think the decline of religion is positive for societal progress but there are a lot of things associated with religion that are going away and not being replaced with anything meaningful. community, shared values, charity, etc

Is it truly meaningful if it's compelled? Is a Christian good for doing good deeds because it is part of his community and he/she is doing it to get into Heaven?

The whole basis of Christianity is that your good deeds mean nothing in terms of getting into heaven and that all the good deeds in the world wont get you into heaven without accepting Jesus so....

I thought Catholics were all about good deeds/receiving services from the church earned you a spot.
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Psyonix posted...

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

Not religion, just modern Christianity. Muslims numbers are actually rising

Probably because you arent allowed to leave the group without the threat of violence

That's not true in America. Also There's also been Christians persecuted the Spanish Inquisition etc.

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

Psyonix posted...

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

Not religion, just modern Christianity. Muslims numbers are actually rising

Probably because you arent allowed to leave the group without the threat of violence

That's not true in America. Also There's also been Christians persecuted the Spanish Inquisition etc.

There have been honor killings in the US.

Why not bring up more recent horrible things christians did? Why do you have to go back hundreds of years to get a good example of christians being monsters?
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womp womp
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Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

Psyonix posted...

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

Not religion, just modern Christianity. Muslims numbers are actually rising

Probably because you arent allowed to leave the group without the threat of violence

That's not true in America. Also There's also been Christians persecuted the Spanish Inquisition etc.

You're comparing modern day Islam to the Spanish inquisition?

TheMikh posted...

Religion never dies out; it merely becomes substituted with other ideologies.

as is the rampant SJWism today

myzz007 posted...

TheMikh posted...

Religion never dies out; it merely becomes substituted with other ideologies.

as is the rampant SJWism today

This is why I'm heading to Mars with Elon Musk

Psyonix posted...

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

Psyonix posted...

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

Not religion, just modern Christianity. Muslims numbers are actually rising

Probably because you arent allowed to leave the group without the threat of violence

That's not true in America. Also There's also been Christians persecuted the Spanish Inquisition etc.

You're comparing modern day Islam to the Spanish inquisition?

No Because I just said that Muslims aren't threatened with violence in the USA.

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

Psyonix posted...

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

Psyonix posted...

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

Not religion, just modern Christianity. Muslims numbers are actually rising

Probably because you arent allowed to leave the group without the threat of violence

That's not true in America. Also There's also been Christians persecuted the Spanish Inquisition etc.

You're comparing modern day Islam to the Spanish inquisition?

No Because I just said that Muslims aren't threatened with violence in the USA.

I dont see how you can say this when we get news stories every single day about violence against muslims in the USA

I have mixed feelings on this. Im an atheist myself but I can definitely see how it can give people purpose and sense of community. Its fine, the problem is it needs to get the fuck out of government.
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I think it's an inevitable thing. Religion doesn't fill the same social niche as exclusively as it once did, and generation after generation, young people start to realize they don't need it like their parents did.

Of course, if in your society a religion was forced on you... well that's another wrinkle altogether.

Psyonix posted...

myzz007 posted...

TheMikh posted...

Religion never dies out; it merely becomes substituted with other ideologies.

as is the rampant SJWism today

This is why I'm heading to Mars with Elon Musk

We can sit together on the spaceship!
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It's a self fulfilling prophecy, religion lost it's original reason for existing. Religion back then was the answer to the scary unknown like what happens after we die or even trivial stuff like why does it rain from the sky, to give people a peace of mind. As mankind grew and evolved, we start finding out more practical answers that doesn't revolve around the supernatural. The only purpose religion plays now is communities and giving some people a peace of mind, which I believe is more of a side effect of religion than its original intention, but nonetheless that's how it is.

I think the biggest gripe for me on why I turned away from religion is because of how "man made" it all feels. Like you can tell this religion wasn't made from a "benevolent deity" but rather by man for how flawed it is.

I'm actually glad that it's our generation that religion is dying out, I hope in the future we don't give a shit if the President or any of our elected officials are Christians or not.
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No gods bless
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