o Kid has Charges DROPPED because PLANNING TO KILL is LEGAL!!

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mrduckbear 05/30/19 12:45:24 AM #1:	Do you think if people "planned" a mass shooting, they should be charged with a felony?? - Results (7 votes) Yes 100% (7 votes) 7 No 0% (0 votes) 0 The case of 19 y/o Jack Sawyer from Vermont, a former student of Fair Haven Union High School who said he wanted ot set the HIGHEST DEATH COUNT for a school shooter has highlighted a grey area in the law after serious charges against him were DROPPED over concerns of "prosecuting thought" as planning a mass shooting was considered LEGAL at the time. The small town whacko came to the attention of police after the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas in Florida as the day before, Sawyer bought a brand new pump action shotgun and 4 boxes of ammunition from Dick's Sporting Goods He was reported by a student, Jennifer Mortenson who learned Sawyer bought a gun and was aware he made threats against the school in the past. he was arrested after his friend, Angela McDevitt blew the whistle on him to say he was plotting to shoot up the school. On the day of the Stoneman Douglas shooting, she texted to him about it and he wrote "That's fantastic, 100% support it" Police questioned him as he described in DEPTH, including how he read books on the 1999 Columbine Shooting and he moved back to Vermont to carry out the attack. They found in his car the arsenal he "legally" bought and a diary that said "The Journal of an Active Shooter" He said "If i do ever die, i want it to be that way" Jack was charged with 4 felonies, 2 for attempted aggravated murder and one count each for attempted first degree murder and aggravated assault that carries a life with no parole snentence But his public defender, Kelly Green argued the charges gone too far and insisted he got to the loony bin instead. She said Jack was "funny and nice, if a little shy and standoffish but an overall good kid" He became distant in 10th grade and wrote troubling things on his FB and bought a book on the Columbine massacre shooting. After he was charged, legal experts questioned it and said "Should someone be allowed to think, i want to shoot up an old school or even write it down and then buy a gun?" and questioned if Vermont was going down a slippery slope of "prosecuting thought" It went to the State Supreme Court and ruled he may have been prepared to commit a crime but that WASN'T the same as attempting a crime... He was then released on bail and ALL 4 FELONIES were dropped. He was checked into the psychiatric hospital and ordered to stay away from the school The prosecutors respected the decision but argued what will happen when the next Jack Sawyer comes along Vermont passed a domestic terrorism law where it makes it a crime to engage in or take substantial steps toward causing death or serious injury to multiple people with a sentence of 20 years in prision Jack is in the loony bin until he's 22 and is not allowed to possess firearms as some students and 5 members of staff LEFT the school. Social Studies Teacher, Julia Adams said she is angry and is worried another Sawyer will carry out a threat one day and said "Who knows if he'll get the help that he needs or if anything will ever change him...you don't take a threat lightly anymore" Do you think if someone PLANS a mass shooting, they should be charged with a felony?? Jack - In the Loony Bin until he's 22 --- Every time a Gamefaqs User PROVES they Stepped on a Bug, i will STOP Posting for 24 Hours...THIS ACCOUNT ONLY <cite>mrduckbear posted [p:922550274] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote> Do you think if people "planned" a mass shooting, they should be charged with a felony?? - Results (7 votes) Yes 100% (7 votes) 7 No 0% (0 votes) 0 The case of 19 y/o Jack Sawyer from Vermont, a former student of Fair Haven Union High School who said he wanted ot set the HIGHEST DEATH COUNT for a school shooter has highlighted a grey area in the law after serious charges against him were DROPPED over concerns of "prosecuting thought" as planning a mass shooting was considered LEGAL at the time. The small town whacko came to the attention of police after the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas in Florida as the day before, Sawyer bought a brand new pump action shotgun and 4 boxes of ammunition from Dick's Sporting Goods He was reported by a student, Jennifer Mortenson who learned Sawyer bought a gun and was aware he made threats against the school in the past. he was arrested after his friend, Angela McDevitt blew the whistle on him to say he was plotting to shoot up the school. On the day of the Stoneman Douglas shooting, she texted to him about it and he wrote "That's fantastic, 100% support it" Police questioned him as he described in DEPTH, including how he read books on the 1999 Columbine Shooting and he moved back to Vermont to carry out the attack. They found in his car the arsenal he "legally" bought and a diary that said "The Journal of an Active Shooter" He said "If i do ever die, i want it to be that way" Jack was charged with 4 felonies, 2 for attempted aggravated murder and one count each for attempted first degree murder and aggravated assault that carries a life with no parole snentence But his public defender, Kelly Green argued the charges gone too far and insisted he got to the loony bin instead. She said Jack was "funny and nice, if a little shy and standoffish but an overall good kid" He became distant in 10th grade and wrote troubling things on his FB and bought a book on the Columbine massacre shooting. After he was charged, legal experts questioned it and said "Should someone be allowed to think, i want to shoot up an old school or even write it down and then buy a gun?" and questioned if Vermont was going down a slippery slope of "prosecuting thought" It went to the State Supreme Court and ruled he may have been prepared to commit a crime but that WASN'T the same as attempting a crime... He was then released on bail and ALL 4 FELONIES were dropped. He was checked into the psychiatric hospital and ordered to stay away from the school The prosecutors respected the decision but argued what will happen when the next Jack Sawyer comes along Vermont passed a domestic terrorism law where it makes it a crime to engage in or take substantial steps toward causing death or serious injury to multiple people with a sentence of 20 years in prision Jack is in the loony bin until he's 22 and is not allowed to possess firearms as some students and 5 members of staff LEFT the school. Social Studies Teacher, Julia Adams said she is angry and is worried another Sawyer will carry out a threat one day and said "Who knows if he'll get the help that he needs or if anything will ever change him...you don't take a threat lightly anymore" Do you think if someone PLANS a mass shooting, they should be charged with a felony?? Jack - In the Loony Bin until he's 22 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hanky_Bannister 05/30/19 1:00:26 AM #2:	Wut --- "3rd Best Whiskey in Northern Burma" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvjOu4EzjYg <cite>Hanky_Bannister posted [p:922550683] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>Wut</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanuckCowboy 05/30/19 1:00:40 AM #3:	Oooookay --- "I got a rollatruc, look." ~Misanthropic drunken loner~ <cite>CanuckCowboy posted [p:922550689] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>Oooookay</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ProbablyaCat 05/30/19 1:02:24 AM #4:	That's nuts. At least he ended up in a mental hospital instead of back at home <cite>ProbablyaCat posted [p:922550739] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>That's nuts. At least he ended up in a mental hospital instead of back at home</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 05/30/19 1:09:56 AM #6:	The kid was mentally ill and had to agree to check into a psych hospital. This is clearly not the same as the court saying "planning to kill is legal" like TC's misleading title. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:922550935] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>The kid was mentally ill and had to agree to check into a psych hospital. This is clearly not the same as the court saying "planning to kill is legal" like TC's misleading title.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SauI_Goodman 05/30/19 1:11:29 AM #7:	that kid definitely has "the look." isn't conspiracy to commit murder a thing? or have I seen too many movies --- Currently playing: Super Metroid (snes), Murdered: Soul Suspect (xbox1) <cite>SauI_Goodman posted [p:922550971] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>that kid definitely has "the look." isn't conspiracy to commit murder a thing? or have I seen too many movies</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/30/19 1:14:38 AM #8:	Lock 'em up! --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922551047] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>Lock 'em up!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_SilverX 05/30/19 1:21:45 AM #9:	The privilege saved him. America is going back to it's roots. :') --- I support Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo. don't compare games to feces -- if you've an opinion worth mentioning, do so civilly <cite>Dark_SilverX posted [p:922551222] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>The privilege saved him. America is going back to it's roots. :')</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivany2008 05/30/19 1:26:45 AM #10:	as much as I hate to say it, planning isn't the same as implementing. Not saying it shouldn't be looked into, and the guy get treatment/locked up in a mental hospital, but you shouldn't be able convict him of murder until he actually commits a murder, or attempts a murder. Words written on a sheet of paper are just that, words. It's a very slippery slope to deal with. If you charge him with the crime of "planning to commit a crime", where does the justification begin? sure it starts with someone physically planning out a crime, listing how they are going to do things, or when they will do things, but it could very well escalate very fast, and the definition could get muddled fairly quickly. Next thing you know people will start to get charged for picking up a chefs knife from a knife shop, because "they are in possession of a dangerous weapon". But then you also have to go review weaponry laws, which most Americans will go up in arms about. Should you be allowed to own a gun? should you be allowed to carry a pocket knife? It's just one giant mess to have to deal with. <cite>Ivany2008 posted [p:922551328] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>as much as I hate to say it, planning isn't the same as implementing. Not saying it shouldn't be looked into, and the guy get treatment/locked up in a mental hospital, but you shouldn't be able convict him of murder until he actually commits a murder, or attempts a murder. Words written on a sheet of paper are just that, words. It's a very slippery slope to deal with. If you charge him with the crime of "planning to commit a crime", where does the justification begin? sure it starts with someone physically planning out a crime, listing how they are going to do things, or when they will do things, but it could very well escalate very fast, and the definition could get muddled fairly quickly. Next thing you know people will start to get charged for picking up a chefs knife from a knife shop, because "they are in possession of a dangerous weapon". But then you also have to go review weaponry laws, which most Americans will go up in arms about. Should you be allowed to own a gun? should you be allowed to carry a pocket knife? It's just one giant mess to have to deal with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kastrada 05/30/19 1:30:09 AM #11:	Ivany2008 posted... as much as I hate to say it, planning isn't the same as implementing. Not saying it shouldn't be looked into, and the guy get treatment/locked up in a mental hospital, but you shouldn't be able convict him of murder until he actually commits a murder, or attempts a murder. Words written on a sheet of paper are just that, words. It's a very slippery slope to deal with. If you charge him with the crime of "planning to commit a crime", where does the justification begin? sure it starts with someone physically planning out a crime, listing how they are going to do things, or when they will do things, but it could very well escalate very fast, and the definition could get muddled fairly quickly. Next thing you know people will start to get charged for picking up a chefs knife from a knife shop, because "they are in possession of a dangerous weapon". But then you also have to go review weaponry laws, which most Americans will go up in arms about. Should you be allowed to own a gun? should you be allowed to carry a pocket knife? It's just one giant mess to have to deal with. I mean, owning a gun or knife is one thing. Saying "I'm going to shoot people" or "I am going to stab you" and going out and buying those tools to commit a crime is more than just a thought. It implies pre-meditation doesn't it? --- PoW '09 Topic of the Year Co-Winners (Rada and Texy) FFD <cite>Kastrada posted [p:922551394] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ivany2008 posted...</cite> <quote>as much as I hate to say it, planning isn't the same as implementing. Not saying it shouldn't be looked into, and the guy get treatment/locked up in a mental hospital, but you shouldn't be able convict him of murder until he actually commits a murder, or attempts a murder. Words written on a sheet of paper are just that, words. It's a very slippery slope to deal with. If you charge him with the crime of "planning to commit a crime", where does the justification begin? sure it starts with someone physically planning out a crime, listing how they are going to do things, or when they will do things, but it could very well escalate very fast, and the definition could get muddled fairly quickly. Next thing you know people will start to get charged for picking up a chefs knife from a knife shop, because "they are in possession of a dangerous weapon". But then you also have to go review weaponry laws, which most Americans will go up in arms about. Should you be allowed to own a gun? should you be allowed to carry a pocket knife? It's just one giant mess to have to deal with.</quote> I mean, owning a gun or knife is one thing. Saying "I'm going to shoot people" or "I am going to stab you" and going out and buying those tools to commit a crime is more than just a thought. It implies pre-meditation doesn't it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 05/30/19 1:31:02 AM #12:	what the actual fuck --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:922551417] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>what the actual fuck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivany2008 05/31/19 9:50:39 AM #13:	Kastrada posted... Ivany2008 posted... as much as I hate to say it, planning isn't the same as implementing. Not saying it shouldn't be looked into, and the guy get treatment/locked up in a mental hospital, but you shouldn't be able convict him of murder until he actually commits a murder, or attempts a murder. Words written on a sheet of paper are just that, words. It's a very slippery slope to deal with. If you charge him with the crime of "planning to commit a crime", where does the justification begin? sure it starts with someone physically planning out a crime, listing how they are going to do things, or when they will do things, but it could very well escalate very fast, and the definition could get muddled fairly quickly. Next thing you know people will start to get charged for picking up a chefs knife from a knife shop, because "they are in possession of a dangerous weapon". But then you also have to go review weaponry laws, which most Americans will go up in arms about. Should you be allowed to own a gun? should you be allowed to carry a pocket knife? It's just one giant mess to have to deal with. I mean, owning a gun or knife is one thing. Saying "I'm going to shoot people" or "I am going to stab you" and going out and buying those tools to commit a crime is more than just a thought. It implies pre-meditation doesn't it? Yeah, I agree about that part. Not saying he shouldn't get punished, but there are those of us(like myself), who write A LOT. I make a note in the corner of my writing though that its for a novel(that will never get released... or finished...) <cite>Ivany2008 posted [p:922604809] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kastrada posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ivany2008 posted...</cite> <quote>as much as I hate to say it, planning isn't the same as implementing. Not saying it shouldn't be looked into, and the guy get treatment/locked up in a mental hospital, but you shouldn't be able convict him of murder until he actually commits a murder, or attempts a murder. Words written on a sheet of paper are just that, words. It's a very slippery slope to deal with. If you charge him with the crime of "planning to commit a crime", where does the justification begin? sure it starts with someone physically planning out a crime, listing how they are going to do things, or when they will do things, but it could very well escalate very fast, and the definition could get muddled fairly quickly. Next thing you know people will start to get charged for picking up a chefs knife from a knife shop, because "they are in possession of a dangerous weapon". But then you also have to go review weaponry laws, which most Americans will go up in arms about. Should you be allowed to own a gun? should you be allowed to carry a pocket knife? It's just one giant mess to have to deal with.</quote> I mean, owning a gun or knife is one thing. Saying "I'm going to shoot people" or "I am going to stab you" and going out and buying those tools to commit a crime is more than just a thought. It implies pre-meditation doesn't it?</quote> Yeah, I agree about that part. Not saying he shouldn't get punished, but there are those of us(like myself), who write A LOT. I make a note in the corner of my writing though that its for a novel(that will never get released... or finished...)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 05/31/19 9:57:34 AM #14:	The prosecutors respected the decision but argued what will happen when the next Jack Sawyer comes along How about the same exact thing? He's in a psychiatric hospital until he turns 22. He is receiving the mental healthcare he needs because they caught him before he committed any crimes. This is how the system should work. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:922605016] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><quote>The prosecutors respected the decision but argued what will happen when the next Jack Sawyer comes along</quote> How about the same exact thing? He's in a psychiatric hospital until he turns 22. He is receiving the mental healthcare he needs because they caught him before he committed any crimes. This is how the system should work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 05/31/19 10:01:29 AM #15:	Ivany2008 posted... as much as I hate to say it, planning isn't the same as implementing. Not saying it shouldn't be looked into, and the guy get treatment/locked up in a mental hospital, but you shouldn't be able convict him of murder until he actually commits a murder, or attempts a murder. Words written on a sheet of paper are just that, words. It's a very slippery slope to deal with. If you charge him with the crime of "planning to commit a crime", where does the justification begin? sure it starts with someone physically planning out a crime, listing how they are going to do things, or when they will do things, but it could very well escalate very fast, and the definition could get muddled fairly quickly. Next thing you know people will start to get charged for picking up a chefs knife from a knife shop, because "they are in possession of a dangerous weapon". But then you also have to go review weaponry laws, which most Americans will go up in arms about. Should you be allowed to own a gun? should you be allowed to carry a pocket knife? It's just one giant mess to have to deal with. If you have thoughts, wrote it down and started buying weapons that should be illegal. Just thinking about it, or maybe even writing it down for shits and giggles probably not, but still should be monitored at that point. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:922605158] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ivany2008 posted...</cite> <quote>as much as I hate to say it, planning isn't the same as implementing. Not saying it shouldn't be looked into, and the guy get treatment/locked up in a mental hospital, but you shouldn't be able convict him of murder until he actually commits a murder, or attempts a murder. Words written on a sheet of paper are just that, words. It's a very slippery slope to deal with. If you charge him with the crime of "planning to commit a crime", where does the justification begin? sure it starts with someone physically planning out a crime, listing how they are going to do things, or when they will do things, but it could very well escalate very fast, and the definition could get muddled fairly quickly. Next thing you know people will start to get charged for picking up a chefs knife from a knife shop, because "they are in possession of a dangerous weapon". But then you also have to go review weaponry laws, which most Americans will go up in arms about. Should you be allowed to own a gun? should you be allowed to carry a pocket knife? It's just one giant mess to have to deal with.</quote> If you have thoughts, wrote it down and started buying weapons that should be illegal. Just thinking about it, or maybe even writing it down for shits and giggles probably not, but still should be monitored at that point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Le_seul_eudi 05/31/19 10:03:01 AM #16:	he looks like a school shooter <cite>Le_seul_eudi posted [p:922605201] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>he looks like a school shooter</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 05/31/19 10:12:34 AM #17:	how is preparing to murder not illegal? --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:922605556] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>how is preparing to murder not illegal?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mrduckbear 05/31/19 7:17:02 PM #18:	the majority agrees, it SHOULD stay a felony --- Every time a Gamefaqs User PROVES they Stepped on a Bug, i will STOP Posting for 24 Hours...THIS ACCOUNT ONLY <cite>mrduckbear posted [p:922626433] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>the majority agrees, it SHOULD stay a felony</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CommonStar 06/02/19 1:06:15 PM #21:	When did conspiracy to commit murder considered legal? Wtf <cite>CommonStar posted [p:922692625] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>When did conspiracy to commit murder considered legal? Wtf</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ubergeneral3 06/02/19 2:14:08 PM #22:	justice was done. You can't arrest someone for a crime they didn't commit even if they planned to commit one. Instead of failing them we should treat his illness and rehabilitate them. --- If there are single battles in generation 7 I'll close my account. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/792673-pokemon-omega-ruby/70118926 <cite>Ubergeneral3 posted [p:922695022] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>justice was done. You can't arrest someone for a crime they didn't commit even if they planned to commit one. Instead of failing them we should treat his illness and rehabilitate them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KStateKing17 06/02/19 2:20:53 PM #23:	Ubergeneral3 posted... justice was done. You can't arrest someone for a crime they didn't commit even if they planned to commit one. Instead of failing them we should treat his illness and rehabilitate them. I'm glad they may actually be putting some effort into his mental health, but what makes this different from verbally telling someone that you're going to kill them? Its one thing to write down how you feel, its another thing to actually purchase a firearm and let your friends know what's about to go down. --- The 17th King of the State of K <cite>KStateKing17 posted [p:922695254] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ubergeneral3 posted...</cite> <quote>justice was done. You can't arrest someone for a crime they didn't commit even if they planned to commit one. Instead of failing them we should treat his illness and rehabilitate them.</quote> I'm glad they may actually be putting some effort into his mental health, but what makes this different from verbally telling someone that you're going to kill them? Its one thing to write down how you feel, its another thing to actually purchase a firearm and let your friends know what's about to go down.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 06/02/19 2:33:19 PM #24:	Ubergeneral3 posted... justice was done. You can't arrest someone for a crime they didn't commit even if they planned to commit one. Instead of failing them we should treat his illness and rehabilitate them. We do that all the time with people that hire a hitman that turns out to be a cop? Or with people that buy drugs from somebody that turns out to be a cop? Or plans a terrorist bombing but is stopped? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:922695700] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ubergeneral3 posted...</cite> <quote>justice was done. You can't arrest someone for a crime they didn't commit even if they planned to commit one. Instead of failing them we should treat his illness and rehabilitate them.</quote> We do that all the time with people that hire a hitman that turns out to be a cop? Or with people that buy drugs from somebody that turns out to be a cop? Or plans a terrorist bombing but is stopped?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EscapeFromHell 06/02/19 2:33:31 PM #25:	Ivany2008 posted... Kastrada posted... Ivany2008 posted... as much as I hate to say it, planning isn't the same as implementing. Not saying it shouldn't be looked into, and the guy get treatment/locked up in a mental hospital, but you shouldn't be able convict him of murder until he actually commits a murder, or attempts a murder. Words written on a sheet of paper are just that, words. It's a very slippery slope to deal with. If you charge him with the crime of "planning to commit a crime", where does the justification begin? sure it starts with someone physically planning out a crime, listing how they are going to do things, or when they will do things, but it could very well escalate very fast, and the definition could get muddled fairly quickly. Next thing you know people will start to get charged for picking up a chefs knife from a knife shop, because "they are in possession of a dangerous weapon". But then you also have to go review weaponry laws, which most Americans will go up in arms about. Should you be allowed to own a gun? should you be allowed to carry a pocket knife? It's just one giant mess to have to deal with. I mean, owning a gun or knife is one thing. Saying "I'm going to shoot people" or "I am going to stab you" and going out and buying those tools to commit a crime is more than just a thought. It implies pre-meditation doesn't it? Yeah, I agree about that part. Not saying he shouldn't get punished, but there are those of us(like myself), who write A LOT. I make a note in the corner of my writing though that its for a novel(that will never get released... or finished...) This. Thoughts are not crimes... at least, not yet. --- Don't be watching porno, with an open door, no Beat it when it's closed, lest you be exposed. <cite>EscapeFromHell posted [p:922695707] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ivany2008 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kastrada posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ivany2008 posted...</cite> <quote>as much as I hate to say it, planning isn't the same as implementing. Not saying it shouldn't be looked into, and the guy get treatment/locked up in a mental hospital, but you shouldn't be able convict him of murder until he actually commits a murder, or attempts a murder. Words written on a sheet of paper are just that, words. It's a very slippery slope to deal with. If you charge him with the crime of "planning to commit a crime", where does the justification begin? sure it starts with someone physically planning out a crime, listing how they are going to do things, or when they will do things, but it could very well escalate very fast, and the definition could get muddled fairly quickly. Next thing you know people will start to get charged for picking up a chefs knife from a knife shop, because "they are in possession of a dangerous weapon". But then you also have to go review weaponry laws, which most Americans will go up in arms about. Should you be allowed to own a gun? should you be allowed to carry a pocket knife? It's just one giant mess to have to deal with.</quote> I mean, owning a gun or knife is one thing. Saying "I'm going to shoot people" or "I am going to stab you" and going out and buying those tools to commit a crime is more than just a thought. It implies pre-meditation doesn't it?</quote> Yeah, I agree about that part. Not saying he shouldn't get punished, but there are those of us(like myself), who write A LOT. I make a note in the corner of my writing though that its for a novel(that will never get released... or finished...)</quote> This. Thoughts are not crimes... at least, not yet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
furb 06/02/19 2:44:47 PM #26:	Generally, there has to be some effort made to carry out the plan and some sort of specifics. This is why a rally with speakers saying X group should be killed is legal but saying the same about X group and a time and place and a method is not. Note that like a drug sting. Talking about buying to the cops is not the same as actually buying from the cops or making efforts to do so. I think skokie v. Illinois might be worth a look. --- You know how fads are. Today it's brains, tomorrow, pierced tongues. Then the next day, pierced brains. -Jane Lane <cite>furb posted [p:922696112] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>Generally, there has to be some effort made to carry out the plan and some sort of specifics. This is why a rally with speakers saying X group should be killed is legal but saying the same about X group and a time and place and a method is not. Note that like a drug sting. Talking about buying to the cops is not the same as actually buying from the cops or making efforts to do so. I think skokie v. Illinois might be worth a look.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanuckCowboy 06/02/19 2:54:39 PM #27:	COnspiracy to commit murder is legal? --- "I got a rolla truc, look" ~ sleaford mods "The most tender place in my heart is for strangers." ~ neko case <cite>CanuckCowboy posted [p:922696465] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>COnspiracy to commit murder is legal?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 06/02/19 4:23:13 PM #28:	CanuckCowboy posted... conspiracy to commit murder is legal? i really hope it isn't. too many people have died because of some evil fucker who got wronged and decided to take it out on everyone else. --- The act of treachery is an art, but the traitor himself is a piece of **** - Mike Tyson <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:922699711] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>CanuckCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>conspiracy to commit murder is legal?</quote> i really hope it isn't. too many people have died because of some evil fucker who got wronged and decided to take it out on everyone else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanuckCowboy 06/02/19 4:36:51 PM #29:	kingdrake2 posted... CanuckCowboy posted... conspiracy to commit murder is legal? i really hope it isn't. too many people have died because of some evil fucker who got wronged and decided to take it out on everyone else. Yeah I am pretty sure its not tbh. Like at the very least mandatory incarceration in a psychiatric ward should be the deal. This seems so weird to me. Conspiracy to distribute narcotics is illegal so how would that not be? --- "I got a rolla truc, look" ~ sleaford mods "The most tender place in my heart is for strangers." ~ neko case <cite>CanuckCowboy posted [p:922700233] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>kingdrake2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CanuckCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>conspiracy to commit murder is legal?</quote> i really hope it isn't. too many people have died because of some evil fucker who got wronged and decided to take it out on everyone else.</quote> Yeah I am pretty sure its not tbh. Like at the very least mandatory incarceration in a psychiatric ward should be the deal. This seems so weird to me. Conspiracy to distribute narcotics is illegal so how would that not be?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 06/02/19 4:39:34 PM #30:	CanuckCowboy posted... kingdrake2 posted... CanuckCowboy posted... conspiracy to commit murder is legal? i really hope it isn't. too many people have died because of some evil fucker who got wronged and decided to take it out on everyone else. Yeah I am pretty sure its not tbh. Like at the very least mandatory incarceration in a psychiatric ward should be the deal. This seems so weird to me. Conspiracy to distribute narcotics is illegal so how would that not be? Thats what happened. Hell be in a psychiatric hospital until hes 22. --- "It's basically just a stuffed animal at that point." -Tyranthraxus <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:922700364] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>CanuckCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>kingdrake2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CanuckCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>conspiracy to commit murder is legal?</quote> i really hope it isn't. too many people have died because of some evil fucker who got wronged and decided to take it out on everyone else.</quote> Yeah I am pretty sure its not tbh. Like at the very least mandatory incarceration in a psychiatric ward should be the deal. This seems so weird to me. Conspiracy to distribute narcotics is illegal so how would that not be?</quote> Thats what happened. Hell be in a psychiatric hospital until hes 22.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fuparulez 06/02/19 4:42:57 PM #31:	hockeybub89 posted... Lock 'em up! You support locking people up for their thoughts? How Orwellian of you. --- It's the fat upper kitty area, and if you got one I wanna marry ya! <cite>Fuparulez posted [p:922700491] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Lock 'em up!</quote> You support locking people up for their thoughts? How Orwellian of you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/02/19 4:45:25 PM #32:	Ubergeneral3 posted... justice was done. You can't arrest someone for a crime they didn't commit even if they planned to commit one. Instead of failing them we should treat his illness and rehabilitate them. List of people caught while planning acts of terrorism scrolls by Hmmm --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:922700581] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ubergeneral3 posted...</cite> <quote>justice was done. You can't arrest someone for a crime they didn't commit even if they planned to commit one. Instead of failing them we should treat his illness and rehabilitate them.</quote> List of people caught while planning acts of terrorism scrolls by Hmmm</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mister_Spyker 06/02/19 4:51:13 PM #34:	This is ridiculous, so, if you manage to catch them before they actually do it, they get to walk away scot-free? So, should we just let them do the deed so that we can catch them? What's the point of prevention? --- Dear lord, Spyker just ripped his entire life apart in nothing more than a few paragraphs. Ouch... - RexSilver <cite>Mister_Spyker posted [p:922700780] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>This is ridiculous, so, if you manage to catch them before they actually do it, they get to walk away scot-free? So, should we just let them do the deed so that we can catch them? What's the point of prevention?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 06/02/19 4:53:55 PM #35:	SauI_Goodman posted... that kid definitely has "the look." isn't conspiracy to commit murder a thing? or have I seen too many movies Conspiracy is defined as at least 2 people. If he had no accomplices or willing participants, conspiracy wouldn't be a qualifying charge. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>Machete posted [p:922700861] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>SauI_Goodman posted...</cite> <quote>that kid definitely has "the look." isn't conspiracy to commit murder a thing? or have I seen too many movies</quote> Conspiracy is defined as at least 2 people. If he had no accomplices or willing participants, conspiracy wouldn't be a qualifying charge.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 06/02/19 4:54:19 PM #36:	Mister_Spyker posted... This is ridiculous, so, if you manage to catch them before they actually do it, they get to walk away scot-free? So, should we just let them do the deed so that we can catch them? What's the point of prevention? Well no, he is still getting treatment at a mental facility. And I think that's fair - a young person shouldn't have their life ruined just because they had a hard upbringing or were never taught right from wrong. If the guy were 40 years old it might be a different story. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:922700876] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mister_Spyker posted...</cite> <quote>This is ridiculous, so, if you manage to catch them before they actually do it, they get to walk away scot-free? So, should we just let them do the deed so that we can catch them? What's the point of prevention?</quote> Well no, he is still getting treatment at a mental facility. And I think that's fair - a young person shouldn't have their life ruined just because they had a hard upbringing or were never taught right from wrong. If the guy were 40 years old it might be a different story.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 06/02/19 4:56:00 PM #37:	He looks like the kid in 13 Reasons Why who ~~was also planning to shoot up a school~~ --- PSN: Jiek FFRK: Tyro God Wall KZcv <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:922700926] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>He looks like the kid in 13 Reasons Why who was also planning to shoot up a school</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KStateKing17 06/02/19 4:56:45 PM #38:	Hexenherz posted... Mister_Spyker posted... This is ridiculous, so, if you manage to catch them before they actually do it, they get to walk away scot-free? So, should we just let them do the deed so that we can catch them? What's the point of prevention? Well no, he is still getting treatment at a mental facility. And I think that's fair - a young person shouldn't have their life ruined just because they had a hard upbringing or were never taught right from wrong. If the guy were 40 years old it might be a different story. Lmfao. He was about to ruin some lives with grief and debt from funeral costs. That's beside the ones he wanted to end. --- The 17th King of the State of K <cite>KStateKing17 posted [p:922700950] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mister_Spyker posted...</cite> <quote>This is ridiculous, so, if you manage to catch them before they actually do it, they get to walk away scot-free? So, should we just let them do the deed so that we can catch them? What's the point of prevention?</quote> Well no, he is still getting treatment at a mental facility. And I think that's fair - a young person shouldn't have their life ruined just because they had a hard upbringing or were never taught right from wrong. If the guy were 40 years old it might be a different story.</quote> Lmfao. He was about to ruin some lives with grief and debt from funeral costs. That's beside the ones he wanted to end.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mister_Spyker 06/02/19 4:59:01 PM #39:	Hexenherz posted... Well no, he is still getting treatment at a mental facility. And I think that's fair - a young person shouldn't have their life ruined just because they had a hard upbringing or were never taught right from wrong. If the guy were 40 years old it might be a different story. He shouldn't be released at 22, he should be there until he is harmless to society. I do NOT trust that he will be better after getting out. If anything he can't wait to fulfill his sick desires. The dude went as far as buying the weapons... That's how invested he was. --- Dear lord, Spyker just ripped his entire life apart in nothing more than a few paragraphs. Ouch... - RexSilver <cite>Mister_Spyker posted [p:922701020] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote> Well no, he is still getting treatment at a mental facility. And I think that's fair - a young person shouldn't have their life ruined just because they had a hard upbringing or were never taught right from wrong. If the guy were 40 years old it might be a different story.</quote> He shouldn't be released at 22, he should be there until he is harmless to society. I do NOT trust that he will be better after getting out. If anything he can't wait to fulfill his sick desires. The dude went as far as buying the weapons... That's how invested he was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 06/02/19 5:06:03 PM #40:	Fuparulez posted... hockeybub89 posted... Lock 'em up! You support locking people up for their thoughts? How Orwellian of you. You're right. No one's ever been arrested for planning a crime before. Imagine defending someone plotting a mass murder. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922701226] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fuparulez posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Lock 'em up!</quote> You support locking people up for their thoughts? How Orwellian of you.</quote> You're right. No one's ever been arrested for planning a crime before. Imagine defending someone plotting a mass murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 06/02/19 6:31:19 PM #41:	Mister_Spyker posted... Hexenherz posted... Well no, he is still getting treatment at a mental facility. And I think that's fair - a young person shouldn't have their life ruined just because they had a hard upbringing or were never taught right from wrong. If the guy were 40 years old it might be a different story. He shouldn't be released at 22, he should be there until he is harmless to society. I do NOT trust that he will be better after getting out. If anything he can't wait to fulfill his sick desires. The dude went as far as buying the weapons... That's how invested he was. He's also a very young person. I also don't agree that they should set a specific age for release at this point, because like you said he may not be ready to return to society at that point. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:922704121] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mister_Spyker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote> Well no, he is still getting treatment at a mental facility. And I think that's fair - a young person shouldn't have their life ruined just because they had a hard upbringing or were never taught right from wrong. If the guy were 40 years old it might be a different story.</quote> He shouldn't be released at 22, he should be there until he is harmless to society. I do NOT trust that he will be better after getting out. If anything he can't wait to fulfill his sick desires. The dude went as far as buying the weapons... That's how invested he was.</quote> He's also a very young person. I also don't agree that they should set a specific age for release at this point, because like you said he may not be ready to return to society at that point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 06/02/19 6:33:52 PM #42:	Thought with no action is fine. But once you do anything towards it, lock em up --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:922704199] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>Thought with no action is fine. But once you do anything towards it, lock em up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ludwig Von 2 06/02/19 6:34:38 PM #43:	Y'all need to watch Minority Report. --- My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn <cite>Ludwig Von 2 posted [p:922704224] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>Y'all need to watch Minority Report.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 06/02/19 6:34:55 PM #44:	19 isn't a kid but whatever --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:922704234] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote>19 isn't a kid but whatever</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 06/02/19 7:59:43 PM #45:	Ludwig Von 2 posted... Y'all need to watch Minority Report. ~~the psychic girl plays Alpha on The Walking Dead~~ --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>Machete posted [p:922707095] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ludwig Von 2 posted...</cite> <quote>Y'all need to watch Minority Report.</quote> the psychic girl plays Alpha on The Walking Dead</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 06/02/19 8:45:39 PM #47:	LepartialJury posted... hockeybub89 posted... Fuparulez posted... hockeybub89 posted... Lock 'em up! You support locking people up for their thoughts? How Orwellian of you. You're right. No one's ever been arrested for planning a crime before. Imagine defending someone plotting a mass murder. But you do defend mass murderers and rapists. You used to be someone who believed rehabilitation for the worst criminals. Changed your mind over the years? They can do that in prison, which I want to focus on rehab. I have never wanted people to literally plan murder and be told "Hey, It's just thoughts" You don't seem to know what the word "defend" means. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922708810] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>LepartialJury posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fuparulez posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Lock 'em up!</quote> You support locking people up for their thoughts? How Orwellian of you.</quote> You're right. No one's ever been arrested for planning a crime before. Imagine defending someone plotting a mass murder.</quote> But you do defend mass murderers and rapists. You used to be someone who believed rehabilitation for the worst criminals. Changed your mind over the years?</quote> They can do that in prison, which I want to focus on rehab. I have never wanted people to literally plan murder and be told "Hey, It's just thoughts" You don't seem to know what the word "defend" means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 06/02/19 8:47:27 PM #48:	mrduckbear posted... He said "If i do ever die, i want it to be that way" "If I do ever die"...man, people are dumb. --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:922708882] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>mrduckbear posted...</cite> <quote>He said "If i do ever die, i want it to be that way"</quote> "If I do ever die"...man, people are dumb.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 06/02/19 8:51:57 PM #49:	Fuparulez posted... hockeybub89 posted... Lock 'em up! You support locking people up for their thoughts? How Orwellian of you. Thoughts? This guy wrote it down. Planned it all out. Bought weapons. Made threats in the past. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:922709056] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fuparulez posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Lock 'em up!</quote> You support locking people up for their thoughts? How Orwellian of you.</quote> Thoughts? This guy wrote it down. Planned it all out. Bought weapons. Made threats in the past.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 06/02/19 8:53:46 PM #50:	LightHawKnight posted... Fuparulez posted... hockeybub89 posted... Lock 'em up! You support locking people up for their thoughts? How Orwellian of you. Thoughts? This guy wrote it down. Planned it all out. Bought weapons. Made threats in the past. "But did he actually shoot anyone? Hurrr Minority Report thoughtcrime!" --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:922709125] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fuparulez posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Lock 'em up!</quote> You support locking people up for their thoughts? How Orwellian of you.</quote> Thoughts? This guy wrote it down. Planned it all out. Bought weapons. Made threats in the past.</quote> "But did he actually shoot anyone? Hurrr Minority Report thoughtcrime!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 06/02/19 8:55:23 PM #51:	hockeybub89 posted... LightHawKnight posted... Fuparulez posted... hockeybub89 posted... Lock 'em up! You support locking people up for their thoughts? How Orwellian of you. Thoughts? This guy wrote it down. Planned it all out. Bought weapons. Made threats in the past. "But did he actually shoot anyone? Hurrr Minority Report thoughtcrime!" Do you need to shoot someone to commit a crime? Do I need to repeat that he did more than just think about it? --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:922709190] in 19 y/o Kid... [t:77749348]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fuparulez posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Lock 'em up!</quote> You support locking people up for their thoughts? How Orwellian of you.</quote> Thoughts? This guy wrote it down. Planned it all out. Bought weapons. Made threats in the past.</quote> "But did he actually shoot anyone? Hurrr Minority Report thoughtcrime!"</quote> Do you need to shoot someone to commit a crime? Do I need to repeat that he did more than just think about it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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