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Vol2tex
05/31/19 11:01:16 AM
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We were making all this progress, why are we taking steps back now? Regarding these different laws and policies that have affected online content.
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garlic powder
05/31/19 11:01:54 AM
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Society is ironically becoming like the Catholic Church.
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MedeaLysistrata
05/31/19 11:02:05 AM
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It is very easy to see that now it a birth time - Hegel
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NeonOctopus
05/31/19 11:03:18 AM
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Why can't everyone just enjoy some naked anime tiddies? >_> The world would be a better place
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MedeaLysistrata
05/31/19 11:05:19 AM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Why can't everyone just enjoy some naked anime tiddies? >_> The world would be a better place

...the world would actually be better for want of enjoying naked anime tiddies?
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YourDrunkFather
05/31/19 11:07:38 AM
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Because this generation is full of massive pussys and corporations are too afraid of losing money to not accommodate their constant crying
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NeonOctopus
05/31/19 11:07:57 AM
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MedeaLysistrata
05/31/19 11:08:35 AM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Yeah

No war

No greed

No poverty

Just naked anime tiddies

A true utopia

Tempting
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Webmaster4531
05/31/19 11:09:14 AM
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Vol2tex posted...
Regarding these different laws


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emblem boy
05/31/19 11:12:02 AM
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Which recent laws?
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Guide
05/31/19 11:13:20 AM
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Trying to figure out how to filter fake news. It used to be that stupid harmful beliefs were limited to a person's neighborhood.

With the internet, measles are back, people are giving bleach to their kids, and Alex Jones has fans that send death threats to people who lost family in natural disasters.

Shit's fucked.
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Rexdragon125
05/31/19 11:14:04 AM
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The idiots are winning
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Vol2tex
05/31/19 11:32:29 AM
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emblem boy posted...
Which recent laws?


This for example:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/23/596460672/craigslist-shuts-down-personals-section-after-congress-passes-bill-on-traffickin

But they also changed the Talent and Creative sections as well.

Independently but shortly after, Patreon then started banning many adult content creators:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/vbqwwj/patreon-suspension-of-adult-content-creators
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Zikten
05/31/19 11:37:12 AM
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People who grew up playing soccer games where "everyone wins!" And they all get a trophy, are now influencing society. These are the people to blame for all the censorship
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archedsoul
05/31/19 11:40:21 AM
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Essentially speaking, people want control over others and their views.

The excuse used to be religion, but it's human nature.
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Vol2tex
05/31/19 11:41:47 AM
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And remember Tumblr changed its policies so you can't post adult content there anymore.
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Questionmarktarius
05/31/19 11:44:19 AM
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Because, we've replaced "because God said so" with "this makes me uncomfortable". Instead of about a dozen moral codes being forced upon everyone else, we've got about seven billion now.
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hockeybub89
05/31/19 11:45:56 AM
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Questionmarktarius
05/31/19 11:48:28 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
It is?

Not really, no. It's only particularly noticeable because what gets censored is constantly changing at a much faster pace now.
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TheGreatGeno326
05/31/19 11:49:30 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Because, we've replaced "because God said so" with "this makes me uncomfortable". Instead of about a dozen moral codes being forced upon everyone else, we've got about seven billion now.

At least discomfort is a real thing unlike God.
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NL
05/31/19 11:53:40 AM
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Guide posted...
Trying to figure out how to filter fake news. It used to be that stupid harmful beliefs were limited to a person's neighborhood.

With the internet, measles are back, people are giving bleach to their kids, and Alex Jones has fans that send death threats to people who lost family in natural disasters.

Shit's fucked.


It's this, though the recent wave of banning adult content is more about flailing at solutions for human trafficking (and making it much easier in the process).
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Questionmarktarius
05/31/19 11:55:49 AM
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TheGreatGeno326 posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Because, we've replaced "because God said so" with "this makes me uncomfortable". Instead of about a dozen moral codes being forced upon everyone else, we've got about seven billion now.

At least discomfort is a real thing unlike God.

"God" made for a more stable zeitgeist. Twitterbook created the sort of fluidly absolutist morality that Orwell tried to warn us about.
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AlephZero
05/31/19 11:55:53 AM
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i trust the government to decide what is proper for me to see
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GiftedACIII
05/31/19 12:54:02 PM
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Article 13 is the biggest one recently. Theres also that anti online terrorism bill that sounds good on paper but like most bills like this are extremely broad, vague, and restrictive of free speech.
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Vol2tex
05/31/19 2:13:28 PM
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GiftedACIII posted...
Article 13 is the biggest one recently. Theres also that anti online terrorism bill that sounds good on paper but like most bills like this are extremely broad, vague, and restrictive of free speech.


https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47708144

Wow
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BandofMedz
05/31/19 2:14:44 PM
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People are protesting to take their freedoms away
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HiddenLurker
05/31/19 2:23:59 PM
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SJW's and victim culture became a religion.
People whom conformed and followed strict and religiously fanatical doctrine are praised. While those that refused are deplatformed, shunned, doxed, and in some cases physically attacked.
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Vol2tex
05/31/19 4:46:04 PM
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AlisLandale
05/31/19 4:50:01 PM
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Theres not enough world ending conflict going on in the first world so we have all the peaceful free time to let our internal issues eat away at our collective conscious.

I dont think SJWism is necessarily bad, its just the awkward tween years of a society that hasnt really figured out how to discuss the smaller issues.

Well figure it out.
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Webmaster4531
05/31/19 4:52:35 PM
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Is there anything actually linking Article 13 to SJWs? It's actually more likely corporations want to agressively stomp on use of copyrighted characters to make more money.
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CloudChaser462
05/31/19 4:53:02 PM
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Used to be the Christians doing the bible thumping.

Now its the SJWs...
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Zeeak4444
05/31/19 4:55:24 PM
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AlisLandale posted...
Theres not enough world ending conflict going on in the first world so we have all the peaceful free time to let our internal issues eat away at our collective conscious.

I dont think SJWism is necessarily bad, its just the awkward tween years of a society that hasnt really figured out how to discuss the smaller issues.

Well figure it out.


I pretty much agree with this.

Bucking the system has its kinks.
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DevsBro
05/31/19 4:55:40 PM
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In 1998, MGS1 had the word "damn" in it a handful of times and one female character was shown in underwear as a secret.

Why is it that you believe censorship is increasing?
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The Catgirl Fondler
05/31/19 4:56:59 PM
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CloudChaser462 posted...
Used to be the Christians doing the bible thumping.

Now its the SJWs...


And yet despite this, you'll still see people around here insisting that SJWs are "boogeymen" or "powerless".

At this point I just assume these people are either;

A. Blind and oblivious.
B. Trolls and shit-posting.
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Webmaster4531
05/31/19 4:58:21 PM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
Is there anything actually linking Article 13 to SJWs?

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garlic powder
05/31/19 6:26:59 PM
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CloudChaser462 posted...
Used to be the Christians doing the bible thumping.

Now its the SJWs...


Exactly. Its evident thru Family Guy, too. Remember that episode where Peter speaks to the audience about the people who complained about the content? Like basically he was like we make fun of everyone and we say what we want and if you dont like it, change the channel.

And then watch the new Trump episode and Peter is like oh we are phasing our jokes against minorities and gays now!

What the fuck?

Howard Stern of all people is now acting like he never made fun of everything under the sun, too.

This reality is absolutely insane.
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GiftedACIII
05/31/19 7:21:53 PM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Is there anything actually linking Article 13 to SJWs?

No one's saying it's connected to SJWs. It's governments wanting to increase control over content which is what the topic is about. The examples TC listed of Craigslist needing to shut down personals section is due to one of Trump's bills.
Of course, "SJWs" are also infamous for desiring this.
It's another reason the topic title is correct. More and more ideologies of society are willing and eager to gain as much control as possible for their ideals and to punish wrongthink.
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Vol2tex
05/31/19 8:34:42 PM
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GiftedACIII posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Is there anything actually linking Article 13 to SJWs?

No one's saying it's connected to SJWs. It's governments wanting to increase control over content which is what the topic is about. The examples TC listed of Craigslist needing to shut down personals section is due to one of Trump's bills.
Of course, "SJWs" are also infamous for desiring this.
It's another reason the topic title is correct. More and more ideologies of society are willing and eager to gain as much control as possible for their ideals and to punish wrongthink.


It sucks
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creativerealms
05/31/19 8:37:42 PM
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HiddenLurker posted...
SJW's and victim culture became a religion.
People whom conformed and followed strict and religiously fanatical doctrine are praised. While those that refused are deplatformed, shunned, doxed, and in some cases physically attacked.

The people censoring stuff want to get rid of things SJWs fight for.
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Vol2tex
05/31/19 8:40:25 PM
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creativerealms posted...
It's not.


Craigslist, Patreon, Tumblr, Facebook, and Instagram have all started removing adult content the past year or so and even banning and shadowbanning people. Is that not censorship? Even the art portfolio website where I posted my nude drawings for 7 years now won't let me share my drawings anymore.
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MetaFalconPunch
05/31/19 8:41:09 PM
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Ironically all the protecting being done on the surface is making, and is also a symptom of, people becoming less empathetic than ever before. Were demonizing and dismissing people against our own interests while shielding like-minded people from what we hate rather than trying to understand it. All while corporations and governments just engage in power grabs while coddling and pretending to be on peoples side. Its infuriating, the complacency is going to destroy them.
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MrMallard
05/31/19 10:26:35 PM
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Vol2tex posted...
And remember Tumblr changed its policies so you can't post adult content there anymore.

And yet, most Tumblr users saw that as a pathetic, short-sighted move that would do more harm than good. It was an attempt to mass-flag the growing amount of porn bots on the website, but those blogs just switched to SFW images and kept the same spammy links. The only people it affected were porn blogs and NSFW artists.

Next to no-one actually thought that the NSFW ban was a good idea on Tumblr. The community was not clamoring for that decision.
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TheMikh
05/31/19 10:31:04 PM
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The vast majority of activity on the Internet has fallen into the hands of a few small giants that (1) seek to maximize profits however possible without running afoul of the jurisdictions they do business in, (2) must cater to the whims of the hypermodern cultural zeitgeists they are headquartered in (and thus recruit from), and (3) seek to keep advertisers happy.

While the government of the US cannot censor, that's not to say the megacorporations they facilitate the monopolies of through economic policy can't - which they do, often under pressure from the aforementioned governments, advertisers, and culturally hypermodern hires in HR/PR roles.

garlic powder posted...
Society is ironically becoming like the Catholic Church.

The Cathedral is real.
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NL
05/31/19 10:35:29 PM
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Vol2tex posted...
creativerealms posted...
It's not.


Craigslist, Patreon, Tumblr, Facebook, and Instagram have all started removing adult content the past year or so and even banning and shadowbanning people. Is that not censorship? Even the art portfolio website where I posted my nude drawings for 7 years now won't let me share my drawings anymore.


All these sites did this to avoid being sued per FOSTA. Under the new law, any site thought to contribute to trafficking can be taken to court, which can extend to any site that hosts adult content.

Tumblr specifically did nothing to combat their growing CP/porn bot issue until Apple removed them from the Apps store, at which point Verizon/Yahoo decided on a scorched Earth policy (that still didn't stop the bot problem; they've actually moved on to drugs now).
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MetaFalconPunch
05/31/19 10:41:41 PM
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NL posted...
Vol2tex posted...
creativerealms posted...
It's not.


Craigslist, Patreon, Tumblr, Facebook, and Instagram have all started removing adult content the past year or so and even banning and shadowbanning people. Is that not censorship? Even the art portfolio website where I posted my nude drawings for 7 years now won't let me share my drawings anymore.


All these sites did this to avoid being sued per FOSTA. Under the new law, any site thought to contribute to trafficking can be taken to court, which can extend to any site that hosts adult content.

Tumblr specifically did nothing to combat their growing CP/porn bot issue until Apple removed them from the Apps store, at which point Verizon/Yahoo decided on a scorched Earth policy (that still didn't stop the bot problem; they've actually moved on to drugs now).

So...does that somehow not make any of this censorship? And when you say contribute to trafficking do you mean child porn, or what exactly? Wouldnt those sites be a good way of finding the people who post that stuff in order to arrest them? Its not like removing the sites will magically make people stop trafficking.
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TiamatNM
05/31/19 10:45:37 PM
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It's cause a lot of people, especially in government positions, do not care about freedom. They care about control. They don't tolerate opposing views and attempt to forcibly stamp them out through force. They'll sacrifice as many freedoms as they have to for the "greater good" when they are really just trying to force their own morals on everyone else.
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Hop103
05/31/19 10:51:24 PM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
Is there anything actually linking Article 13 to SJWs? It's actually more likely corporations want to agressively stomp on use of copyrighted characters to make more money.


It's strictly the EU's doing. However if you want an organization with massive amounts of PC infestation, then look no further than the United Nations.
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pegusus123456
05/31/19 10:53:20 PM
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Vol2tex posted...
Craigslist, Patreon, Tumblr, Facebook, and Instagram have all started removing adult content the past year or so and even banning and shadowbanning people. Is that not censorship?

No, it's not. Because the freedom of speech you're talking about prohibits the government from stopping you, not private companies.
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NL
05/31/19 10:56:40 PM
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MetaFalconPunch posted...
So...does that somehow not make any of this censorship?


It's absolutely censorship, but the sites themselves are just covering their asses.

And when you say contribute to trafficking do you mean child porn, or what exactly? Wouldnt those sites be a good way of finding the people who post that stuff in order to arrest them? Its not like removing the sites will magically make people stop trafficking.


The law was drawn up as a knee jerk reaction to child porn, but the actual writing is vague enough that it can be used to target any site that hosts adult content.

As for the rest of your post, you're not wrong. In fact, trafficking actually gets much easier when sex workers don't have the ability to easily network with each other or vet clients using sites like Backpage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Enabling_Sex_Traffickers_Act
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De Evolution
05/31/19 10:57:34 PM
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archedsoul posted...
Essentially speaking, people want control over others and their views.

The excuse used to be religion


Now the excuse is liberalism and social justice.
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