Board 8 > ^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Canine - Winner: Snoopy

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v_charon posted...

This idea was pushed on me in the Gauntlet discord chat, by a number of people during the course of the last contest. If you ask them, and I'm sure they'll speak up

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I just want to say that I apologize if my suggestions were laid too heavily on you alone. It seems a lot of people discuss this stuff off board, so I'm not privy to the inter-workings. From my perspective, I mostly saw you mentioning it, so it seemed like you were wanting it out because it was against your agenda (which is fine, as you are host). Hope me voicing an opinion didn't come off as attacking you though, because that was never my intention anyway.
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Drop - sidekicks
Add - Healers
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ErmineToday at 8:38 PM
I like pokemon more than almost everyone even participating in the contest
and I still think they shouldn't be allowed unless it's a specific character in the anime or games
The problem is that then people will just be like
Oh yeah I'm nominating that Dragonite in that one pokemon episode, it's a character now lul
So where can you even draw the line then
Because if it's in the anime and had like 1 or 2 scenes doing something
You CAN claim it's a character

Like
Dawn's Piplup is ABSOLUTELY a character
but Giovanni's Persian I would argue is definitely not
So I dunno shrug

Was talking about it in discord and since it's relevant here.
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That's interesting. I definitely thought Giovanni's Persian was a character, maybe because I haven't watched much of the anime, but he seems one of the more iconic/memorable characters that I know without having to look up.
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To be clear I'm not saying I'm objectively correct here. I think if I was charon would be objective enough to not ban them.

I'm saying it's a topic you can humor both ways and charon probably would lean staying hands off if they were less dominant or he liked em.
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Having watched pretty much all of the anime (Not Sun/Moon garbage tho), I really can't remember it doing anything memorable at all. It just sits there and he pets it.
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Zigzagoon posted...

Having watched pretty much all of the anime (Not Sun/Moon garbage tho), I really can't remember it doing anything memorable at all. It just sits there and he pets it.

Didn't it defeat Ash's Pikachu once?
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hombad46 posted...

Zigzagoon posted...

Having watched pretty much all of the anime (Not Sun/Moon garbage tho), I really can't remember it doing anything memorable at all. It just sits there and he pets it.

Didn't it defeat Ash's Pikachu once?

That list is probably pretty big
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Zigzagoon posted...

hombad46 posted...

Zigzagoon posted...

Having watched pretty much all of the anime (Not Sun/Moon garbage tho), I really can't remember it doing anything memorable at all. It just sits there and he pets it.

Didn't it defeat Ash's Pikachu once?

That list is probably pretty big

Yeah, just saying it's something. Still wouldn't say it's got enough to actually be considered a character though.
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Zigzagoon posted...

Having watched pretty much all of the anime (Not Sun/Moon garbage tho), I really can't remember it doing anything memorable at all. It just sits there and he pets it.

But if you polled random board 8ers to name specific pokemon, I bet a lot more would remember Giovanni's Persian than whatever pokemon Dawn has. (I'm not saying Dawn's pokemon are bad, I just don't think they have anywhere near the same reach.)
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hombad46 posted...

Zigzagoon posted...

hombad46 posted...

Zigzagoon posted...

Having watched pretty much all of the anime (Not Sun/Moon garbage tho), I really can't remember it doing anything memorable at all. It just sits there and he pets it.

Didn't it defeat Ash's Pikachu once?

That list is probably pretty big

Yeah, just saying it's something. Still wouldn't say it's got enough to actually be considered a character though.

He's always got that smug look. I don't think a character has to talk to have personality. I'm a big fan of Meeko, the raccoon from Pocahontos, and he doesn't even talk.
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Drakeryn posted...

Zigzagoon posted...

Having watched pretty much all of the anime (Not Sun/Moon garbage tho), I really can't remember it doing anything memorable at all. It just sits there and he pets it.

But if you polled random board 8ers to name specific pokemon, I bet a lot more would remember Giovanni's Persian than whatever pokemon Dawn has. (I'm not saying Dawn's pokemon are bad, I just don't think they have anywhere near the same reach.)

They would know Persian more than Piplup sure. That's because Persian is Gen 1 and Piplup is not. It has nothing to do with Persian being some important character in the anime. I doubt most people would even think of Giovanni's Persian when thinking about Persian in general where as with Meowth nearly everyone thinks of TR's Meowth.
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TomNook posted...

He's always got that smug look. I don't think a character has to talk to have personality. I'm a big fan of Meeko, the raccoon from Pocahontos, and he doesn't even talk.

Oh no I agree completely. Mute characters can totally have personality and have a ton of character. I'll be one of the first people to defend that. I absolutely adore Meeko.

What I am saying is though does having a smug look and just being pet all the time make you character enough?
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Same as Ermine. Talking isn't necessary to have personality, just look at Link.
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Zigzagoon posted...

What I am saying is though does having a smug look and just being pet all the time make you character enough?

More depth than half the cast of Chrono Trigger right there.
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Lopen posted...

Zigzagoon posted...

What I am saying is though does having a smug look and just being pet all the time make you character enough?

More depth than half the cast of Chrono Trigger right there.

Yikes
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Lopen posted...

It's only an attack if I believe it's false when I say it.

Yeah.

Boy it's hard to use the ignore list when you host a Save My. I'm done. Have your Pokemon. If anyone that hates the decision enough to quit playing then I'm sorry, but you see what happens when I attempt to do anything.
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Zigzagoon posted...

I doubt most people would even think of Giovanni's Persian when thinking about Persian in general where as with Meowth nearly everyone thinks of TR's Meowth.

I automatically think of Giovanni's Persian, because Giovanni is a fairly iconic pokemon trainer and Persian is otherwise pretty irrelevant (meh design, meh in battle). Like pretty much the only context I would care about Persian is that it's with Giovanni.

But on a broader level I don't think it's the host's job to decide whether a character has enough (screentime? significance? characterization? what exactly are we arguing here) to be in the contest. As long as it's a unique character that fits the category, it should be allowed.
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I'm flattered you value my opinion more than all the other people who wanted to ban Pokemon, even though I don't care if you ban it, but you should just ban it if you want to.

It really doesn't matter if I think you're a biased host. Even if for some reason you care what I think I'm not really judging you for it so ???
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Zigzagoon posted...

TomNook posted...

He's always got that smug look. I don't think a character has to talk to have personality. I'm a big fan of Meeko, the raccoon from Pocahontos, and he doesn't even talk.

Oh no I agree completely. Mute characters can totally have personality and have a ton of character. I'll be one of the first people to defend that. I absolutely adore Meeko.

What I am saying is though does having a smug look and just being pet all the time make you character enough?

I think people have different definitions of character.

To some people (most people probably), they would much prefer the character to have growth throughout a story, to have interesting dialogue, and probably make decisions impactful on the story's plot.

Then you have the people who like prioritize visual design and a general demeanor to a character. Maybe they don't care as much about whether the character changes, or grows. They might like the playful personality of the character through their physical actions. Many mute animals fit this role. Personality and character most definitely come through this, but it's not always to the definition of the first group of people.

Then, if you consider how different those definitions are, you can go even further down to people who like a character entirely based off a visualize design. The character would do almost nothing (The Persian is a great example, as well as Chernabog from Fantasia). You could even have people who like a character who literally only exists in a single still-picture. This might sound outrageous to many of the people from the above categories, but someone might look at such design that is just so pleasing to them, that they like everything about the character, and "character" to them is just as meaningful, but so drastically different.
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Also I'm sorry you want to ignore me for being honest and blunt with you. When I say there really is no beef though, I am being honest there. I only really offer opinions on these contests because I think you have some sort of objectiveness you want to maintain on these contests for like, what qualifies and such, and as someone who thinks the results of these more often than not go to hell mid-contest regardless of what's in, I figure I'm okay to offer unbiased input because I know the results are gonna be garbage in my opinion sooner rather than later no matter what gets in so whatever. I just don't really have much rooting interest. If you make a call I don't think makes sense I'll tell you, but I mean, it's always your call first and like, I'd probably be more biased were I the host, really.

But at the same time, while I'm not going to be outright venomous with you I don't wear kiddie gloves with anyone. So I mean, if you get offended when I say I don't think you're being on the level with that decision in particular... sorry, not sorry, I guess? I certainly wasn't going to rage about it next contest or anything. I'd give you way less flak for it than King Booker because I actually like King Booker and don't care about Pokemon.
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i actually would save duplica's ditto, the one who can't change its face, over just any ditto.
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Final results for nominations:

Shapeshifters (14): MZero, Genny, hylian, Drak, Lopen, Pumpkin, Johnbobb, Suor, Cody, sly, hombad, Snake, Lopen, tennis
Felines (11): Ermine, Inviso, Stifled, Karo, Tex, red, Paul, ecks, Metalmind, Nook, Shonen
Healers (9): Raka, NBI, Lopen, yellow, Shonen, slykirby, Suor, Cody, darkx
Dragons (8): Ermine, slykirby, MZero, Dragon, red, Paul, Stifled, Cody
Barbarians (3): scarlet, VI, Wickle
Birds (3): Nook, MCXD, Stifled
Martial Artists (3): VI, Dragon, Snake
Pilots (3): NBI, Paul, scarlet
Priests (3): scarlet, Inviso
Summoners (3): AvaGames, Wickle, Shonen
Demons (2): Genny, Lopen
Millionaires (2): Poke, hylian
Sidekicks (2): 521, Drak
Athletes: MZero
Captains: Poke
Cowboys: darkx
Clones: Pumpkin
Clowns: tennis
Cooks: Raka
Cops: tennis
Gunners: NBI
Kings: Wickle
Lawyers: Dragon
Mech Pilots: ken
Mercenaries: VI
Merchants: Pumpkin
Nerds: darkx
Princes: Suor
Reptiles: Johnbobb
Rodents: 521
Skeletons: Snake
Tanks: Johnbobb
Tricksters: Drak

So with 14 nominations, Shapeshifters is officially our next category. As a reminder, nominations will begin bright and early at 10:00am EST. I'll leave a little bit of information about what to nominate below, in case there's any further confusion on this category:

Shapeshifter: A character possessing the ability to change their physical form. I consider a shapeshifter to be a character that possesses the ability to go back and forth between at least one form and another, and do so regularly. The ability to control the catalyst isn't necessarily important, but transformation needs to be often enough to warrant consideration as this. I will also allow characters that can bend and contort their bodies into other things, a good example of that is Elastigirl from The Incredibles. In closing, shapeshifting should be at the forefront of this character; it should be important to them, as always.

What I don't consider shapeshifting:

-No boss battle characters. Characters that go into that "final form" are a gameplay, usually, driven thing. So none of those please unless the character bosses the ability to do that outside of one specific battle with them.

-No "upgraded" characters. Putting on a cape doesn't make Clark Kent a shapeshifter (nor does undefined retro talents of Superman, for the record). Same goes for anyone in a game that gets an item and just upgrades; that's just part of a video game.

That's about it, I think. Try to use your best judgement when nominating characters, as always. If you think you have to ask, please just don't nominate them.
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v_charon posted...

a good example of that is Elastigirl from The Incredibles. In

Oh the rip-off of Elasti-Girl from Doom Patrol?

I'm still sore about that
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Good fucken Grief.
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