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CyricZ 06/20/19 1:53:19 PM #205:	The_Ivory_Man posted... She's not saying "men and women should wear make-up if they feel like it" Actually... Believing in a gender binary, where only men and women exist, has created a stifling system where personality traits are attributed to one gender or the other. This ignores the vast intersections where male, female, and non-binary characteristics exist, co-mingle, and crossover. Whats wrong with a man crying and being sensitive? Whats wrong with a man in a dress? Whats scary about a woman who is strong and capable and assertive? Nothing but what weve made it be, and its all arbitrary. She pretty much did. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:923596019] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Ivory_Man posted...</cite> <quote>She's not saying "men and women should wear make-up if they feel like it"</quote> Actually... <quote>Believing in a gender binary, where only men and women exist, has created a stifling system where personality traits are attributed to one gender or the other. This ignores the vast intersections where male, female, and non-binary characteristics exist, co-mingle, and crossover. Whats wrong with a man crying and being sensitive? Whats wrong with a man in a dress? Whats scary about a woman who is strong and capable and assertive? Nothing but what weve made it be, and its all arbitrary.</quote> She pretty much did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wg64Z 06/20/19 1:54:32 PM #206:	^ This is what I don't understand. If we're trying to strip down certain physical aspects or character traits as being distinctly male or female, why are we putting so much emphasis on identifying them as such? Seems extremely counter intuitive. --- Do you like humor, gameplay, and daily content? Check out my hilarious let's play Youtube Channel, Tarvould's Quest! https://www.youtube.com/TarvouldsQuest <cite>wg64Z posted [p:923596074] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote>^ This is what I don't understand. If we're trying to strip down certain physical aspects or character traits as being distinctly male or female, why are we putting so much emphasis on identifying them as such? Seems extremely counter intuitive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/20/19 1:54:33 PM #207:	Omega Hunter posted... Labels matter, words matter. Words are what we use to define the world, everything cant just mean whatever anyone wants it to mean. That defies the very point of language people have to agree on what words mean. If not it leads to a place where conversation becomes increasingly difficult because no one agrees on (or knows) what these words mean. You take a system of order turn it into chaos. If there are as many genders as there are people then gender ceases to have any useful meaning, we have a word for that it's called identity or personality. There are as many identities or personalities as there are people in the world. We have had 2 genders for as far as I can tell all of human history. Now a very small percentage of the population would like everyone to scrap that well defined useful term and go with a less well defined less useful term. Problem is the burden is on the group trying to redefine the word to make a convincing argument and by and large they are not doing that, they are not winning the argument. Everyone stop evolving language because it's upsetting Omega Hunter. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:923596076] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>Labels matter, words matter. Words are what we use to define the world, everything cant just mean whatever anyone wants it to mean. That defies the very point of language people have to agree on what words mean. If not it leads to a place where conversation becomes increasingly difficult because no one agrees on (or knows) what these words mean. You take a system of order turn it into chaos. If there are as many genders as there are people then gender ceases to have any useful meaning, we have a word for that it's called identity or personality. There are as many identities or personalities as there are people in the world. We have had 2 genders for as far as I can tell all of human history. Now a very small percentage of the population would like everyone to scrap that well defined useful term and go with a less well defined less useful term. Problem is the burden is on the group trying to redefine the word to make a convincing argument and by and large they are not doing that, they are not winning the argument.</quote> Everyone stop evolving language because it's upsetting Omega Hunter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 06/20/19 1:58:40 PM #208:	Omega Hunter posted... We have had 2 genders for as far as I can tell all of human history. Surprisingly, you can't tell very far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identities_in_Thailand --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:923596281] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>We have had 2 genders for as far as I can tell all of human history.</quote> Surprisingly, you can't tell very far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identities_in_Thailand</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omega Hunter 06/20/19 1:59:41 PM #209:	scar the 1 posted... Omega Hunter posted... We have had 2 genders for as far as I can tell all of human history. Surprisingly, you can't tell very far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identities_in_Thailand The exception that proves the rule. --- When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say. <cite>Omega Hunter posted [p:923596326] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>We have had 2 genders for as far as I can tell all of human history.</quote> Surprisingly, you can't tell very far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identities_in_Thailand</quote> The exception that proves the rule.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 06/20/19 2:00:40 PM #210:	wg64Z posted... ^ This is what I don't understand. If we're trying to strip down certain physical aspects or character traits as being distinctly male or female, why are we putting so much emphasis on identifying them as such? Seems extremely counter intuitive. They're already coded as such. That's different from people thinking they shouldn't be. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:923596370] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>wg64Z posted...</cite> <quote>^ This is what I don't understand. If we're trying to strip down certain physical aspects or character traits as being distinctly male or female, why are we putting so much emphasis on identifying them as such? Seems extremely counter intuitive.</quote> They're already coded as such. That's different from people thinking they shouldn't be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiKuToTheMiGhtY 06/20/19 2:01:11 PM #211:	This kind of shit is not good, this teacher had no real reason to kick him out other then hes not conforming to the SJW propaganda. --- doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back. <cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted [p:923596395] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote>This kind of shit is not good, this teacher had no real reason to kick him out other then hes not conforming to the SJW propaganda.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 06/20/19 2:01:11 PM #212:	Ever notice how the "only 2 genders" crowd never actually has any science to cite in the first place? Yall are entirely and collectively full of shit. --- [break the meta] https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:923596396] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote>Ever notice how the "only 2 genders" crowd never actually has any science to cite in the first place? Yall are entirely and collectively full of shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/20/19 2:02:32 PM #213:	Omega Hunter posted... The exception that proves the rule. https://bigthink.com/the-proverbial-skeptic/what-the-hell-is-the-exception-that-proves-the-rule --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:923596452] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>The exception that proves the rule.</quote> https://bigthink.com/the-proverbial-skeptic/what-the-hell-is-the-exception-that-proves-the-rule</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 06/20/19 2:02:56 PM #214:	Omega Hunter posted... scar the 1 posted... Omega Hunter posted... We have had 2 genders for as far as I can tell all of human history. Surprisingly, you can't tell very far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identities_in_Thailand The exception that proves the rule. Lmao, good job using a fallacy for an argument. --- [break the meta] https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:923596466] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>We have had 2 genders for as far as I can tell all of human history.</quote> Surprisingly, you can't tell very far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identities_in_Thailand</quote> The exception that proves the rule.</quote> Lmao, good job using a fallacy for an argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omega Hunter 06/20/19 2:03:20 PM #215:	wg64Z posted... ^ This is what I don't understand. If we're trying to strip down certain physical aspects or character traits as being distinctly male or female, why are we putting so much emphasis on identifying them as such? Seems extremely counter intuitive. I dont get this. On one side they say you can be a woman and act masculine or be a man and act feminine. Then they say if you dont conform to gender norms that's fine you are non binary. However you just said a man doesn't have to act any particular way why are you non binary or identifying as something other than a man because you wear a dress...you just got done explaining that wearing a dress has nothing to do with being a man or a woman. Pick one. None of this makes any sense and is completely circular. --- When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say. <cite>Omega Hunter posted [p:923596487] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>wg64Z posted...</cite> <quote>^ This is what I don't understand. If we're trying to strip down certain physical aspects or character traits as being distinctly male or female, why are we putting so much emphasis on identifying them as such? Seems extremely counter intuitive.</quote> I dont get this. On one side they say you can be a woman and act masculine or be a man and act feminine. Then they say if you dont conform to gender norms that's fine you are non binary. However you just said a man doesn't have to act any particular way why are you non binary or identifying as something other than a man because you wear a dress...you just got done explaining that wearing a dress has nothing to do with being a man or a woman. Pick one. None of this makes any sense and is completely circular.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 06/20/19 2:03:22 PM #216:	Omega Hunter posted... scar the 1 posted... Omega Hunter posted... We have had 2 genders for as far as I can tell all of human history. Surprisingly, you can't tell very far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identities_in_Thailand The exception that proves the rule. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_%28South_Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:923596490] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>We have had 2 genders for as far as I can tell all of human history.</quote> Surprisingly, you can't tell very far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identities_in_Thailand</quote> The exception that proves the rule.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_%28South_Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Omega Hunter 06/20/19 2:07:10 PM #218:	scar the 1 posted... Omega Hunter posted... scar the 1 posted... Omega Hunter posted... We have had 2 genders for as far as I can tell all of human history. Surprisingly, you can't tell very far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identities_in_Thailand The exception that proves the rule. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_%28South_Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit So you're in a topic arguing that people need to accept that there are more than 2 genders. While also arguing it's already a normal and common concept all around the world that there are more than 2 genders? Which one is it? All you can seem to do is go in circles. --- When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say. <cite>Omega Hunter posted [p:923596645] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>We have had 2 genders for as far as I can tell all of human history.</quote> Surprisingly, you can't tell very far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identities_in_Thailand</quote> The exception that proves the rule.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_%28South_Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit</quote> So you're in a topic arguing that people need to accept that there are more than 2 genders. While also arguing it's already a normal and common concept all around the world that there are more than 2 genders? Which one is it? All you can seem to do is go in circles.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Ivory_Man 06/20/19 2:08:28 PM #219:	CyricZ posted... She pretty much did. She acknowledges that it is present. But she in fact is pushing it by assigning things like jeans and not wearing makeup to men. She claims it's all arbitrary, but then uses those exact details as why she isn't on the gender binary, instead of simply saying "yeah I don't wear make-up but that doesn't make me a man" she instead uses those ideas to reinforce her behavior, saying gender is expressed in clothing and attitude. And that's the issue I take. Instead of breaking down the ideas, gender-fluid want to slide between them and hold onto them which isn't the best move for an egalitarian society. I don't get how you can put "the gender binary has created a stifling system where personality traits are attributed to one gender or the other." And "You express your gender in your clothing, attitude, energy, and how you fit in with a community. " In the same article, those are contradictions. She associates certain personality traits with genders while saying the "gender binary" doing the same is bad. --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan <cite>The_Ivory_Man posted [p:923596702] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote> She pretty much did.</quote> She acknowledges that it is present. But she in fact is pushing it by assigning things like jeans and not wearing makeup to men. She claims it's all arbitrary, but then uses those exact details as why she isn't on the gender binary, instead of simply saying "yeah I don't wear make-up but that doesn't make me a man" she instead uses those ideas to reinforce her behavior, saying gender is expressed in clothing and attitude. And that's the issue I take. Instead of breaking down the ideas, gender-fluid want to slide between them and hold onto them which isn't the best move for an egalitarian society. I don't get how you can put "the gender binary has created a stifling system where personality traits are attributed to one gender or the other." And "You express your gender in your clothing, attitude, energy, and how you fit in with a community. " In the same article, those are contradictions. She associates certain personality traits with genders while saying the "gender binary" doing the same is bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Ivory_Man 06/20/19 2:12:56 PM #220:	scar the 1 posted... Omega Hunter posted... scar the 1 posted... Omega Hunter posted... We have had 2 genders for as far as I can tell all of human history. Surprisingly, you can't tell very far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identities_in_Thailand The exception that proves the rule. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_%28South_Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit denotes the gender role ascribed to males who function sexually, and in some ways socially, as women. Like I said earlier other genders are almost entirely a way to demean homosexuals and trans individuals as "not real men" or "not real women". Using them is not a good example at all. --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan <cite>The_Ivory_Man posted [p:923596895] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>We have had 2 genders for as far as I can tell all of human history.</quote> Surprisingly, you can't tell very far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identities_in_Thailand</quote> The exception that proves the rule.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_%28South_Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit</quote> <quote>denotes the gender role ascribed to males who function sexually, and in some ways socially, as women. </quote> Like I said earlier other genders are almost entirely a way to demean homosexuals and trans individuals as "not real men" or "not real women". Using them is not a good example at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 06/20/19 2:13:39 PM #221:	Omega Hunter posted... So you're in a topic arguing that people need to accept that there are more than 2 genders. No I'm not. I'm in a topic arguing that people like yourself are quite clearly arguing in bad faith. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:923596921] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>So you're in a topic arguing that people need to accept that there are more than 2 genders.</quote> No I'm not. I'm in a topic arguing that people like yourself are quite clearly arguing in bad faith.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omega Hunter 06/20/19 2:14:08 PM #222:	The_Ivory_Man posted... CyricZ posted... She pretty much did. She acknowledges that it is present. But she in fact is pushing it by assigning things like jeans and not wearing makeup to men. She claims it's all arbitrary, but then uses those exact details as why she isn't on the gender binary, instead of simply saying "yeah I don't wear make-up but that doesn't make me a man" she instead uses those ideas to reinforce her behavior, saying gender is expressed in clothing and attitude. And that's the issue I take. Instead of breaking down the ideas, gender-fluid want to slide between them and hold onto them which isn't the best move for an egalitarian society. I don't get how you can put "the gender binary has created a stifling system where personality traits are attributed to one gender or the other." And "You express your gender in your clothing, attitude, energy, and how you fit in with a community. " In the same article, those are contradictions. She associates certain personality traits with genders while saying the "gender binary" doing the same is bad. This is why they are losing the argument with the public at large it isn't an internally consistent well thought out idea. It was created on the fly by people who have no idea what they are talking about and it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. --- When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say. <cite>Omega Hunter posted [p:923596940] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Ivory_Man posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote> She pretty much did.</quote> She acknowledges that it is present. But she in fact is pushing it by assigning things like jeans and not wearing makeup to men. She claims it's all arbitrary, but then uses those exact details as why she isn't on the gender binary, instead of simply saying "yeah I don't wear make-up but that doesn't make me a man" she instead uses those ideas to reinforce her behavior, saying gender is expressed in clothing and attitude. And that's the issue I take. Instead of breaking down the ideas, gender-fluid want to slide between them and hold onto them which isn't the best move for an egalitarian society. I don't get how you can put "the gender binary has created a stifling system where personality traits are attributed to one gender or the other." And "You express your gender in your clothing, attitude, energy, and how you fit in with a community. " In the same article, those are contradictions. She associates certain personality traits with genders while saying the "gender binary" doing the same is bad.</quote> This is why they are losing the argument with the public at large it isn't an internally consistent well thought out idea. It was created on the fly by people who have no idea what they are talking about and it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 06/20/19 2:14:25 PM #223:	The_Ivory_Man posted... Like I said earlier other genders are almost entirely a way to demean homosexuals and trans individuals as "not real men" or "not real women". Using them is not a good example at all. Here's another quite interesting thread: https://twitter.com/MxComan/status/1138201535169597441 --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:923596953] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Ivory_Man posted...</cite> <quote>Like I said earlier other genders are almost entirely a way to demean homosexuals and trans individuals as "not real men" or "not real women". Using them is not a good example at all.</quote> Here's another quite interesting thread: https://twitter.com/MxComan/status/1138201535169597441</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 06/20/19 2:16:34 PM #224:	Omega Hunter posted... The_Ivory_Man posted... CyricZ posted... She pretty much did. She acknowledges that it is present. But she in fact is pushing it by assigning things like jeans and not wearing makeup to men. She claims it's all arbitrary, but then uses those exact details as why she isn't on the gender binary, instead of simply saying "yeah I don't wear make-up but that doesn't make me a man" she instead uses those ideas to reinforce her behavior, saying gender is expressed in clothing and attitude. And that's the issue I take. Instead of breaking down the ideas, gender-fluid want to slide between them and hold onto them which isn't the best move for an egalitarian society. I don't get how you can put "the gender binary has created a stifling system where personality traits are attributed to one gender or the other." And "You express your gender in your clothing, attitude, energy, and how you fit in with a community. " In the same article, those are contradictions. She associates certain personality traits with genders while saying the "gender binary" doing the same is bad. This is why they are losing the argument with the public at large it isn't an internally consistent well thought out idea. It was created on the fly by people who have no idea what they are talking about and it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. HOLY party of projection, Batman! --- [break the meta] https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:923597061] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Ivory_Man posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote> She pretty much did.</quote> She acknowledges that it is present. But she in fact is pushing it by assigning things like jeans and not wearing makeup to men. She claims it's all arbitrary, but then uses those exact details as why she isn't on the gender binary, instead of simply saying "yeah I don't wear make-up but that doesn't make me a man" she instead uses those ideas to reinforce her behavior, saying gender is expressed in clothing and attitude. And that's the issue I take. Instead of breaking down the ideas, gender-fluid want to slide between them and hold onto them which isn't the best move for an egalitarian society. I don't get how you can put "the gender binary has created a stifling system where personality traits are attributed to one gender or the other." And "You express your gender in your clothing, attitude, energy, and how you fit in with a community. " In the same article, those are contradictions. She associates certain personality traits with genders while saying the "gender binary" doing the same is bad.</quote> This is why they are losing the argument with the public at large it isn't an internally consistent well thought out idea. It was created on the fly by people who have no idea what they are talking about and it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.</quote> HOLY party of projection, Batman!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Ivory_Man 06/20/19 2:20:09 PM #225:	scar the 1 posted... The_Ivory_Man posted... Like I said earlier other genders are almost entirely a way to demean homosexuals and trans individuals as "not real men" or "not real women". Using them is not a good example at all. Here's another quite interesting thread: https://twitter.com/MxComan/status/1138201535169597441 I'm not sure what this has to do with anything? It is saying that God has to be above gender identity since men and women are both simultaneously in his image, correct? I don't believe in any kind of God coming down and making humans that look like him. --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan <cite>The_Ivory_Man posted [p:923597219] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Ivory_Man posted...</cite> <quote>Like I said earlier other genders are almost entirely a way to demean homosexuals and trans individuals as "not real men" or "not real women". Using them is not a good example at all.</quote> Here's another quite interesting thread: https://twitter.com/MxComan/status/1138201535169597441</quote> I'm not sure what this has to do with anything? It is saying that God has to be above gender identity since men and women are both simultaneously in his image, correct? I don't believe in any kind of God coming down and making humans that look like him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wg64Z 06/20/19 2:35:07 PM #226:	Omega Hunter posted... wg64Z posted... ^ This is what I don't understand. If we're trying to strip down certain physical aspects or character traits as being distinctly male or female, why are we putting so much emphasis on identifying them as such? Seems extremely counter intuitive. I dont get this. On one side they say you can be a woman and act masculine or be a man and act feminine. Then they say if you dont conform to gender norms that's fine you are non binary. However you just said a man doesn't have to act any particular way why are you non binary or identifying as something other than a man because you wear a dress...you just got done explaining that wearing a dress has nothing to do with being a man or a woman. Pick one. None of this makes any sense and is completely circular. ^ This response confuses the hell out of me. Can you elaborate a bit more? I don't even understand what this means. --- Do you like humor, gameplay, and daily content? Check out my hilarious let's play Youtube Channel, Tarvould's Quest! https://www.youtube.com/TarvouldsQuest <cite>wg64Z posted [p:923597900] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wg64Z posted...</cite> <quote>^ This is what I don't understand. If we're trying to strip down certain physical aspects or character traits as being distinctly male or female, why are we putting so much emphasis on identifying them as such? Seems extremely counter intuitive.</quote> I dont get this. On one side they say you can be a woman and act masculine or be a man and act feminine. Then they say if you dont conform to gender norms that's fine you are non binary. However you just said a man doesn't have to act any particular way why are you non binary or identifying as something other than a man because you wear a dress...you just got done explaining that wearing a dress has nothing to do with being a man or a woman. Pick one. None of this makes any sense and is completely circular.</quote> ^ This response confuses the hell out of me. Can you elaborate a bit more? I don't even understand what this means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roxborough4Ever 06/20/19 3:16:49 PM #227:	he needs to accept the new reality --- You feast on red herring because it is your birthright. <cite>Roxborough4Ever posted [p:923599811] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote>he needs to accept the new reality</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 06/20/19 3:24:47 PM #228:	The_Ivory_Man posted... I'm not sure what this has to do with anything? It is saying that God has to be above gender identity since men and women are both simultaneously in his image, correct? I don't believe in any kind of God coming down and making humans that look like him. The point being that people weren't necessarily nearly as skeptical of queersness back then as one might think. I added it mostly because it's interesting and kind of related to Omega Hunter's ridiculous assertion that there were only ever two genders. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:923600153] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Ivory_Man posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure what this has to do with anything? It is saying that God has to be above gender identity since men and women are both simultaneously in his image, correct? I don't believe in any kind of God coming down and making humans that look like him.</quote> The point being that people weren't necessarily nearly as skeptical of queersness back then as one might think. I added it mostly because it's interesting and kind of related to Omega Hunter's ridiculous assertion that there were only ever two genders.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rika_Furude 06/20/19 3:50:42 PM #230:	What other genders are there? Theres male, female... there isnt any more. It would be like kicking him out of class for saying the old textbooks are wronf because pluto is no longer considered a planet --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:923601454] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote>What other genders are there? Theres male, female... there isnt any more. It would be like kicking him out of class for saying the old textbooks are wronf because pluto is no longer considered a planet</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 06/20/19 4:02:00 PM #231:	Rika_Furude posted... What other genders are there? Theres male, female... there isnt any more. It would be like kicking him out of class for saying the old textbooks are wronf because pluto is no longer considered a planet You should read the rest of the topic --- please https://imgur.com/AmWcJjM <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:923601983] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>What other genders are there? Theres male, female... there isnt any more. It would be like kicking him out of class for saying the old textbooks are wronf because pluto is no longer considered a planet</quote> You should read the rest of the topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 06/20/19 4:06:04 PM #232:	PleaseClap posted... Rika_Furude posted... What other genders are there? Theres male, female... there isnt any more. It would be like kicking him out of class for saying the old textbooks are wronf because pluto is no longer considered a planet You should read the rest of the topic What, the one about two spirits? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:923602171] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> What other genders are there? Theres male, female... there isnt any more. It would be like kicking him out of class for saying the old textbooks are wronf because pluto is no longer considered a planet</quote> You should read the rest of the topic</quote> What, the one about two spirits?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 06/20/19 4:08:09 PM #233:	PleaseClap posted... I'll just go ahead and post this again https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf Page 834 This is probably the only worthwhile post in the entire thread. --- https://imgur.com/SGkkbF0 <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:923602273] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>I'll just go ahead and post this again https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf Page 834</quote> This is probably the only worthwhile post in the entire thread.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 06/20/19 4:31:48 PM #234:	MrPeppers posted... PleaseClap posted... I'll just go ahead and post this again https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf Page 834 This is probably the only worthwhile post in the entire thread. I wonder why everyone is ignoring it --- please https://imgur.com/AmWcJjM <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:923603445] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>I'll just go ahead and post this again https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf Page 834</quote> This is probably the only worthwhile post in the entire thread.</quote> I wonder why everyone is ignoring it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 06/20/19 4:35:01 PM #235:	Rika_Furude posted... What other genders are there? Theres male, female... there isnt any more. It would be like kicking him out of class for saying the old textbooks are wronf because pluto is no longer considered a planet Now for this one I'm not actually sure if Rika pretends to not know what a spectrum is or if he literally has no clue --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:923603604] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>What other genders are there? Theres male, female... there isnt any more. It would be like kicking him out of class for saying the old textbooks are wronf because pluto is no longer considered a planet</quote> Now for this one I'm not actually sure if Rika pretends to not know what a spectrum is or if he literally has no clue</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Ivory_Man 06/20/19 4:36:25 PM #236:	PleaseClap posted... MrPeppers posted... PleaseClap posted... I'll just go ahead and post this again https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf Page 834 This is probably the only worthwhile post in the entire thread. I wonder why everyone is ignoring it Well personally I don't feel like downloading nearly a 1000 page file onto my phone. If someone would post it, it would be easily visible and create more discussion. --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan <cite>The_Ivory_Man posted [p:923603676] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>I'll just go ahead and post this again https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf Page 834</quote> This is probably the only worthwhile post in the entire thread.</quote> I wonder why everyone is ignoring it</quote> Well personally I don't feel like downloading nearly a 1000 page file onto my phone. If someone would post it, it would be easily visible and create more discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_True_King 06/20/19 4:39:32 PM #237:	What the fuck is wrong with people? Of course their is only 2 genders. Fucking mental health issue's all. --- PSN:Daniel_Shadow170 https://psnprofiles.com/Daniel_Shadow170 2x all-American wrestler and 155 NAGA champ pro fighter <cite>The_True_King posted [p:923603825] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote>What the fuck is wrong with people? Of course their is only 2 genders. Fucking mental health issue's all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 06/20/19 4:39:53 PM #238:	The_Ivory_Man posted... PleaseClap posted... MrPeppers posted... PleaseClap posted... I'll just go ahead and post this again https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf Page 834 This is probably the only worthwhile post in the entire thread. I wonder why everyone is ignoring it Well personally I don't feel like downloading nearly a 1000 page file onto my phone. If someone would post it, it would be easily visible and create more discussion. Its nowhere near 1000 pages long, and you dont have to download it. --- please https://imgur.com/AmWcJjM <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:923603839] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Ivory_Man posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>I'll just go ahead and post this again https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf Page 834</quote> This is probably the only worthwhile post in the entire thread.</quote> I wonder why everyone is ignoring it</quote> Well personally I don't feel like downloading nearly a 1000 page file onto my phone. If someone would post it, it would be easily visible and create more discussion.</quote> Its nowhere near 1000 pages long, and you dont have to download it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0xDEFECADE 06/20/19 4:40:47 PM #239:	hes a smuch ddouche not everyone knows the truth --- 1101 1110 1111 1110 1100 1010 1101 1110 one day I hope to post a message so great it ends up in someones sig -Two_Dee <cite>0xDEFECADE posted [p:923603881] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote>hes a smuch ddouche not everyone knows the truth</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Ivory_Man 06/20/19 5:00:08 PM #240:	PleaseClap posted... The_Ivory_Man posted... PleaseClap posted... MrPeppers posted... PleaseClap posted... I'll just go ahead and post this again https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf Page 834 This is probably the only worthwhile post in the entire thread. I wonder why everyone is ignoring it Well personally I don't feel like downloading nearly a 1000 page file onto my phone. If someone would post it, it would be easily visible and create more discussion. Its nowhere near 1000 pages long, and you dont have to download it. I guess I made an assumption since he marked to look at page 894. My phone is telling me to download the file. --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan <cite>The_Ivory_Man posted [p:923604758] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Ivory_Man posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>I'll just go ahead and post this again https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf Page 834</quote> This is probably the only worthwhile post in the entire thread.</quote> I wonder why everyone is ignoring it</quote> Well personally I don't feel like downloading nearly a 1000 page file onto my phone. If someone would post it, it would be easily visible and create more discussion.</quote> Its nowhere near 1000 pages long, and you dont have to download it.</quote> I guess I made an assumption since he marked to look at page 894. My phone is telling me to download the file.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 06/20/19 5:02:35 PM #241:	The_Ivory_Man posted... PleaseClap posted... The_Ivory_Man posted... PleaseClap posted... MrPeppers posted... PleaseClap posted... I'll just go ahead and post this again https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf Page 834 This is probably the only worthwhile post in the entire thread. I wonder why everyone is ignoring it Well personally I don't feel like downloading nearly a 1000 page file onto my phone. If someone would post it, it would be easily visible and create more discussion. Its nowhere near 1000 pages long, and you dont have to download it. I guess I made an assumption since she marked to look at page 894. My phone is telling me to download the file. Sounds like you should look it up on a desktop then --- please https://imgur.com/AmWcJjM <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:923604874] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Ivory_Man posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Ivory_Man posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>I'll just go ahead and post this again https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf Page 834</quote> This is probably the only worthwhile post in the entire thread.</quote> I wonder why everyone is ignoring it</quote> Well personally I don't feel like downloading nearly a 1000 page file onto my phone. If someone would post it, it would be easily visible and create more discussion.</quote> Its nowhere near 1000 pages long, and you dont have to download it.</quote> I guess I made an assumption since she marked to look at page 894. My phone is telling me to download the file.</quote> Sounds like you should look it up on a desktop then</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio_babe_4 06/20/19 5:04:27 PM #242:	I understand that defining words and labels can make people more comfortable and bring understanding to those who do not understand. I also hope that things might be easier if people just existed how they feel best suits them. Simply ask someone what their preferred pronouns are and move on. In the end, we are all humans living on this spinning rock trying to make a place for ourselves. <cite>Bio_babe_4 posted [p:923604963] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote>I understand that defining words and labels can make people more comfortable and bring understanding to those who do not understand. I also hope that things might be easier if people just existed how they feel best suits them. Simply ask someone what their preferred pronouns are and move on. In the end, we are all humans living on this spinning rock trying to make a place for ourselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
renasunflash 06/20/19 5:22:55 PM #243:	There are many genders. What they mean is that there are two sexes, which still isnt correct because intersex / hermaphrodite is a thing. Additionally, theres variance even within the male and female sex. Do you define it by chromosomes? Because along with the typical XX and XY, there are people out there who are XYX or XXX; mutations or variances occur. So are there 4+ sexes? Or you could define it by reproductive organs, but theres issues there too. There are males born with a penis and ovaries. There are the aforementioned hermaphrodites with male and female genitalia. Plus if you define sex by genitals, youd have to accept post-surgery trans people as their declared sex and thats controversial too. No matter how you look at it, there arent just two sexes. And gender is not sex. Thats a whole nother discussion, but keep in mind that even historically, there have been cultures that were inclusive of gender options beyond man or woman, such as the aboriginal concept of two-spirit. This isnt a new thing. Humanity has never been exclusively male or female, man or woman, and if you continue to think that way in spite of scientific and sociological evidence, youre a dumbass. <cite>renasunflash posted [p:923605744] in Boy kicked... [t:77804591]...</cite> <quote>There are many genders. What they mean is that there are two sexes, which still isnt correct because intersex / hermaphrodite is a thing. Additionally, theres variance even within the male and female sex. Do you define it by chromosomes? Because along with the typical XX and XY, there are people out there who are XYX or XXX; mutations or variances occur. So are there 4+ sexes? Or you could define it by reproductive organs, but theres issues there too. There are males born with a penis and ovaries. There are the aforementioned hermaphrodites with male and female genitalia. Plus if you define sex by genitals, youd have to accept post-surgery trans people as their declared sex and thats controversial too. No matter how you look at it, there arent just two sexes. And gender is not sex. Thats a whole nother discussion, but keep in mind that even historically, there have been cultures that were inclusive of gender options beyond man or woman, such as the aboriginal concept of two-spirit. This isnt a new thing. Humanity has never been exclusively male or female, man or woman, and if you continue to think that way in spite of scientific and sociological evidence, youre a dumbass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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