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Antifar 06/20/19 1:29:52 PM #1:	https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/20/cars-cities-land-rover-pollution-urban-spaces?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other What is the best way of wrecking a city? Pour cars into it. Heavy traffic, 50 years of research shows, breaks up communities, disrupts social life and crushes local cultures. Noise drowns out conversation and drives people indoors. Pollution makes streets inhospitable. Cars take up the space that might have been used for children to play, adults to meet, and local projects to grow. Street life is treated as an impediment to traffic. In cities all over the world it has been cleared for cars. Stalls, hawkers, football and cricket games, old people playing dominoes, chess or ptanque: all must make way for the car. So much land is required for driving and parking that there is little left for human life. In cities like Barcelona that curb traffic, cars use about 25% of the urban area. In cities like Houston that dont, they use 60%. The car eats the public space that could otherwise become parks, cycle lanes, markets and playgrounds. ... Air pollution is now believed to kill more people than smoking. Across Europe its estimated to cause the premature deaths of 800,000 people a year. Every week, cars here kill far more people than the entire toll of the Chernobyl disaster. Air pollution damages hearts and lungs, causes a wide range of cancers, and damages the health of unborn children. It can radically reduce intelligence, as a result of oxidative stress and neurodegeneration. So along comes Land Rover, not only promoting a polluting SUV as a city car, but suggesting it should be used for fun: to kerb-crawl through congested streets gawping at the human zoo. SUVs are killing machines: because they are higher and heavier, you are more likely to die if you are hit by one than if you are struck by an ordinary car. The fashion for SUVs is one of the two main reasons for rising road deaths among pedestrians (the other is drivers using mobile phones). They are likely to be especially dangerous if you use them for human game drives, rather than watching the road. ... Just as we need to radically reduce the use of cars, for the sake of both human health and planetary survival (the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has just announced a car-free day in September to highlight this need), the manufacturers seek to drag us back into the 20th century. In his book Unlocking Sustainable Cities, Paul Chatterton argues that controlling the car is the first and most important step towards creating friendly and vibrant cities. He points to the work of architects such as Jan Gehl who seek to reclaim the space now captured by cars, to allow life between buildings to flourish. Neither electric cars nor driverless cars will solve our problems. They take up as much space as fossil-powered vehicles. Electric cars are already triggering a series of environmental disasters, due to the rush for lithium, cobalt and nickel required to make their batteries. Driverless cars are likely to exacerbate congestion and accelerate climate breakdown, because of the energy demands of the data centres required to control them. It makes far more sense to build electrified mass transit. But those whose profits depend on urban carmageddon go to great lengths to thwart it. In the United States, Americans for Prosperity, a group founded and funded by the Koch brothers, has set up campaigns to fight new bus and light-rail schemes. It has managed to stop public transport systems in several states. The Kochs made much of their vast fortune from oil refining and asphalt production. Good column, imo --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:923594879] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/20/cars-cities-land-rover-pollution-urban-spaces?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other <quote>What is the best way of wrecking a city? Pour cars into it. Heavy traffic, 50 years of research shows, breaks up communities, disrupts social life and crushes local cultures. Noise drowns out conversation and drives people indoors. Pollution makes streets inhospitable. Cars take up the space that might have been used for children to play, adults to meet, and local projects to grow. Street life is treated as an impediment to traffic. In cities all over the world it has been cleared for cars. Stalls, hawkers, football and cricket games, old people playing dominoes, chess or ptanque: all must make way for the car. So much land is required for driving and parking that there is little left for human life. In cities like Barcelona that curb traffic, cars use about 25% of the urban area. In cities like Houston that dont, they use 60%. The car eats the public space that could otherwise become parks, cycle lanes, markets and playgrounds. ... Air pollution is now believed to kill more people than smoking. Across Europe its estimated to cause the premature deaths of 800,000 people a year. Every week, cars here kill far more people than the entire toll of the Chernobyl disaster. Air pollution damages hearts and lungs, causes a wide range of cancers, and damages the health of unborn children. It can radically reduce intelligence, as a result of oxidative stress and neurodegeneration. So along comes Land Rover, not only promoting a polluting SUV as a city car, but suggesting it should be used for fun: to kerb-crawl through congested streets gawping at the human zoo. SUVs are killing machines: because they are higher and heavier, you are more likely to die if you are hit by one than if you are struck by an ordinary car. The fashion for SUVs is one of the two main reasons for rising road deaths among pedestrians (the other is drivers using mobile phones). They are likely to be especially dangerous if you use them for human game drives, rather than watching the road. ... Just as we need to radically reduce the use of cars, for the sake of both human health and planetary survival (the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has just announced a car-free day in September to highlight this need), the manufacturers seek to drag us back into the 20th century. In his book Unlocking Sustainable Cities, Paul Chatterton argues that controlling the car is the first and most important step towards creating friendly and vibrant cities. He points to the work of architects such as Jan Gehl who seek to reclaim the space now captured by cars, to allow life between buildings to flourish. Neither electric cars nor driverless cars will solve our problems. They take up as much space as fossil-powered vehicles. Electric cars are already triggering a series of environmental disasters, due to the rush for lithium, cobalt and nickel required to make their batteries. Driverless cars are likely to exacerbate congestion and accelerate climate breakdown, because of the energy demands of the data centres required to control them. It makes far more sense to build electrified mass transit. But those whose profits depend on urban carmageddon go to great lengths to thwart it. In the United States, Americans for Prosperity, a group founded and funded by the Koch brothers, has set up campaigns to fight new bus and light-rail schemes. It has managed to stop public transport systems in several states. The Kochs made much of their vast fortune from oil refining and asphalt production.</quote> Good column, imo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NinjaWarrior455 06/20/19 1:35:42 PM #3:	Having just come back from Japan again, it's sad that the US can't implement a rail system even 25% as decent as theirs is. --- Super Bowl 52 Champions!!!! http://myanimelist.net/animelist/NinjaWarrior457 <cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted [p:923595158] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>Having just come back from Japan again, it's sad that the US can't implement a rail system even 25% as decent as theirs is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/20/19 1:36:30 PM #4:	CTRL+F "Millennials" not found. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:923595203] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>CTRL+F "Millennials" not found.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paper_Okami 06/20/19 1:37:12 PM #5:	NinjaWarrior455 posted... Having just come back from Japan again, it's sad that the US can't implement a rail system even 25% as decent as theirs is. yup was in japan last year, the rail system is fantastic --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:923595234] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote>Having just come back from Japan again, it's sad that the US can't implement a rail system even 25% as decent as theirs is.</quote> yup was in japan last year, the rail system is fantastic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 06/20/19 1:37:19 PM #6:	CyricZ posted... CTRL+F "Millennials" not found. plot twist: cars are actually millenials <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:923595238] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>CTRL+F "Millennials" not found.</quote> plot twist: cars are actually millenials</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 06/20/19 1:43:30 PM #7:	Nice column --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:923595537] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>Nice column</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/20/19 1:43:36 PM #8:	I've been saying this for a long time. cars are a massive waste of time, money, and space. they're massive polluters. an interesting thing to try: stand on the sidewalk and time how long it takes for... let's arbitrarily say 20 cars to go by. with the proper infrastructure, you could have buses going that frequently --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:923595541] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>I've been saying this for a long time. cars are a massive waste of time, money, and space. they're massive polluters. an interesting thing to try: stand on the sidewalk and time how long it takes for... let's arbitrarily say 20 cars to go by. with the proper infrastructure, you could have buses going that frequently</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vocedelmorte 06/20/19 1:44:38 PM #9:	I thought it says 'cats' ;( <cite>vocedelmorte posted [p:923595592] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>I thought it says 'cats' ;(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Perascamin 06/20/19 1:46:56 PM #10:	Why is it even legal to set up campaigns and lobby against companies that could hurt your business --- I've grown. <cite>Perascamin posted [p:923595706] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>Why is it even legal to set up campaigns and lobby against companies that could hurt your business</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/20/19 1:48:35 PM #11:	Fam_Fam posted... CyricZ posted... CTRL+F "Millennials" not found. plot twist: cars are actually millenials FFFFF --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:923595787] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>CTRL+F "Millennials" not found.</quote> plot twist: cars are actually millenials</quote> FFFFF</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 06/20/19 1:48:46 PM #12:	If urban life only had a gun.. --- S / K / Y / N / E Twitch/YouTube/GT: *Adzeta* <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:923595793] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>If urban life only had a gun..</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 06/20/19 1:51:32 PM #13:	averagejoel posted... I've been saying this for a long time. cars are a massive waste of time, money, and space. they're massive polluters. an interesting thing to try: stand on the sidewalk and time how long it takes for... let's arbitrarily say 20 cars to go by. with the proper infrastructure, you could have buses going that frequently I think as AI driving cars become more of a thing we'll have a sort of AI uber. Push an app button, a robo cab comes by and picks you up. Fewer and fewer will own their own cars. --- https://youtube.com/TheYoungTurks http://RightWingWatch.org/ https://DemocraticUnderground.com/?com=latest_threads https://reddit.com/r/The_Mueller/new <cite>Notti posted [p:923595943] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>I've been saying this for a long time. cars are a massive waste of time, money, and space. they're massive polluters. an interesting thing to try: stand on the sidewalk and time how long it takes for... let's arbitrarily say 20 cars to go by. with the proper infrastructure, you could have buses going that frequently</quote> I think as AI driving cars become more of a thing we'll have a sort of AI uber. Push an app button, a robo cab comes by and picks you up. Fewer and fewer will own their own cars.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/20/19 1:51:51 PM #14:	Perascamin posted... Why is it even legal to set up campaigns and lobby against companies that could hurt your business because that's what wealthy people mean by freedom --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:923595954] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote><cite>Perascamin posted...</cite> <quote>Why is it even legal to set up campaigns and lobby against companies that could hurt your business</quote> because that's what wealthy people mean by freedom</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
southcoast09 06/20/19 1:54:34 PM #15:	Cars are part of the reason why its so much hotter now. If your engine is hot, it is radiating heat. There is hot exhaust pouring from every car. Basically, these cars are almost like giant heat stones, places randomly through town. The exhaust fumes have eaten away at our ozone layer to the point where the sun is more harsh. What steps can we take, when public transportation has the same environmental effects that private transportation has? For one thing, its what we drive. Oh, but I have two kids, so we need seven seats! People drive around in SUVs and full sized pick up trucks, and this is exponentially worst than a Honda Civic or a motorcycle, not to mention they burn gas an a frightening rate which depletes national gas reserves. My 4cyl PZEV (partial zero emissions vehicle) Subaru works fine for me and I dont see why someone would claim to need anything bigger. --- #MakeFinalFantasyGreatAgain <cite>southcoast09 posted [p:923596077] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>Cars are part of the reason why its so much hotter now. If your engine is hot, it is radiating heat. There is hot exhaust pouring from every car. Basically, these cars are almost like giant heat stones, places randomly through town. The exhaust fumes have eaten away at our ozone layer to the point where the sun is more harsh. What steps can we take, when public transportation has the same environmental effects that private transportation has? For one thing, its what we drive. Oh, but I have two kids, so we need seven seats! People drive around in SUVs and full sized pick up trucks, and this is exponentially worst than a Honda Civic or a motorcycle, not to mention they burn gas an a frightening rate which depletes national gas reserves. My 4cyl PZEV (partial zero emissions vehicle) Subaru works fine for me and I dont see why someone would claim to need anything bigger.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Butterfiles 06/20/19 1:55:17 PM #16:	I remember when people here got mad about the scooters on the sidewalk, and now they are banned meanwhile there are still entire neighborhoods where every 5 feet there is a car parked on the sidewalk --- http://www.last.fm/user/PigBun 56k warning <cite>Butterfiles posted [p:923596107] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>I remember when people here got mad about the scooters on the sidewalk, and now they are banned meanwhile there are still entire neighborhoods where every 5 feet there is a car parked on the sidewalk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omega Hunter 06/20/19 1:56:46 PM #17:	I agree with this, we are really treating the environment like trash and everyone's health is suffering for it. Shame humans are so short sighted. --- When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say. <cite>Omega Hunter posted [p:923596171] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>I agree with this, we are really treating the environment like trash and everyone's health is suffering for it. Shame humans are so short sighted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/20/19 1:58:22 PM #18:	it is a good column --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:923596265] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>it is a good column</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 06/20/19 2:02:05 PM #19:	It's true. Every city is clogged with cars all the time and it's so shitty. Good public transportation is something desperately needed --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:923596427] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>It's true. Every city is clogged with cars all the time and it's so shitty. Good public transportation is something desperately needed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 06/20/19 2:02:40 PM #20:	So should we go with an Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow type of city design? --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:923596457] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>So should we go with an Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow type of city design?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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chrono625 06/20/19 2:03:55 PM #22:	NinjaWarrior455 posted... Having just come back from Japan again, it's sad that the US can't implement a rail system even 25% as decent as theirs is. How many square miles is japan? --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:923596507] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote>Having just come back from Japan again, it's sad that the US can't implement a rail system even 25% as decent as theirs is.</quote> How many square miles is japan?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 06/20/19 2:05:43 PM #23:	Paper_Okami posted... NinjaWarrior455 posted... Having just come back from Japan again, it's sad that the US can't implement a rail system even 25% as decent as theirs is. yup was in japan last year, the rail system is fantastic The thing with Japan is that is it is small. To get anything as efficient and good as that is incredibly hard. Also the money to do so is hard to get as well. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:923596588] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paper_Okami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote>Having just come back from Japan again, it's sad that the US can't implement a rail system even 25% as decent as theirs is.</quote> yup was in japan last year, the rail system is fantastic</quote> The thing with Japan is that is it is small. To get anything as efficient and good as that is incredibly hard. Also the money to do so is hard to get as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 06/20/19 2:08:31 PM #24:	sounds about right --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:923596705] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>sounds about right</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paper_Okami 06/20/19 2:11:31 PM #25:	LightHawKnight posted... Paper_Okami posted... NinjaWarrior455 posted... Having just come back from Japan again, it's sad that the US can't implement a rail system even 25% as decent as theirs is. yup was in japan last year, the rail system is fantastic The thing with Japan is that is it is small. To get anything as efficient and good as that is incredibly hard. Also the money to do so is hard to get as well. Tokyo has nearly double the population of NYC and like 3 1/2 x the area and its transit is far superior --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:923596834] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paper_Okami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote>Having just come back from Japan again, it's sad that the US can't implement a rail system even 25% as decent as theirs is.</quote> yup was in japan last year, the rail system is fantastic</quote> The thing with Japan is that is it is small. To get anything as efficient and good as that is incredibly hard. Also the money to do so is hard to get as well.</quote> Tokyo has nearly double the population of NYC and like 3 1/2 x the area and its transit is far superior</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/20/19 2:12:51 PM #26:	uwnim posted... So should we go with an Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow type of city design? the experimental design for cities is the one we currently have that's super carcentric... one major reason other countries have better transit systems isn't that they're smaller, it's that their cities developed prior to the invention of the automobile. this is also why older cities on the eastcoast of the US have better public transit, relatively speaking --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:923596894] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote>So should we go with an Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow type of city design?</quote> the experimental design for cities is the one we currently have that's super carcentric... one major reason other countries have better transit systems isn't that they're smaller, it's that their cities developed prior to the invention of the automobile. this is also why older cities on the eastcoast of the US have better public transit, relatively speaking</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kolibri X 06/20/19 2:15:10 PM #27:	I can think of worst ways to wreck a city. --- Platinum GameFAQs Member <cite>Kolibri X posted [p:923596993] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>I can think of worst ways to wreck a city.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaWarrior455 06/20/19 2:20:14 PM #28:	Here's a video about the railways here in the US I remember seeing about a month ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qaf6baEu0_w" data-time=" --- Super Bowl 52 Champions!!!! http://myanimelist.net/animelist/NinjaWarrior457 <cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted [p:923597226] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>Here's a video about the railways here in the US I remember seeing about a month ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qaf6baEu0_w" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 06/20/19 2:20:29 PM #29:	Paper_Okami posted... LightHawKnight posted... Paper_Okami posted... NinjaWarrior455 posted... Having just come back from Japan again, it's sad that the US can't implement a rail system even 25% as decent as theirs is. yup was in japan last year, the rail system is fantastic The thing with Japan is that is it is small. To get anything as efficient and good as that is incredibly hard. Also the money to do so is hard to get as well. Tokyo has nearly double the population of NYC and like 3 1/2 x the area and its transit is far superior And Japan is still not only small but an island. Your point? --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:923597233] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paper_Okami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paper_Okami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote>Having just come back from Japan again, it's sad that the US can't implement a rail system even 25% as decent as theirs is.</quote> yup was in japan last year, the rail system is fantastic</quote> The thing with Japan is that is it is small. To get anything as efficient and good as that is incredibly hard. Also the money to do so is hard to get as well.</quote> Tokyo has nearly double the population of NYC and like 3 1/2 x the area and its transit is far superior</quote> And Japan is still not only small but an island. Your point?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 06/20/19 2:41:14 PM #30:	Balrog0 posted... uwnim posted... So should we go with an Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow type of city design? the experimental design for cities is the one we currently have that's super carcentric... one major reason other countries have better transit systems isn't that they're smaller, it's that their cities developed prior to the invention of the automobile. this is also why older cities on the eastcoast of the US have better public transit, relatively speaking Meant this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPCOT_(concept)#Transportation just without the creepy everything in the city is owned by Disney stuff. <_< --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:923598185] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote>So should we go with an Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow type of city design?</quote> the experimental design for cities is the one we currently have that's super carcentric... one major reason other countries have better transit systems isn't that they're smaller, it's that their cities developed prior to the invention of the automobile. this is also why older cities on the eastcoast of the US have better public transit, relatively speaking</quote> Meant this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPCOT_(concept)#Transportation just without the creepy everything in the city is owned by Disney stuff. <_<</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 06/20/19 2:43:22 PM #31:	shout out houston! --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended <cite>The Trent posted [p:923598278] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>shout out houston!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 06/20/19 2:54:09 PM #32:	Also the auto industry lobbied hard against public transit. Capitalism hates competition. <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:923598802] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>Also the auto industry lobbied hard against public transit. Capitalism hates competition.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hyperpsycho 06/20/19 3:51:02 PM #33:	uwnim posted... Balrog0 posted... uwnim posted... So should we go with an Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow type of city design? the experimental design for cities is the one we currently have that's super carcentric... one major reason other countries have better transit systems isn't that they're smaller, it's that their cities developed prior to the invention of the automobile. this is also why older cities on the eastcoast of the US have better public transit, relatively speaking Meant this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPCOT_(concept)#Transportation just without the creepy everything in the city is owned by Disney stuff. <_< Nice try but the future of this country is a dystopian corporatocracy where Disney and a few other companies own everything. --- https://imgur.com/ZrnUI3A ~United_World. https://imgtc.com/i/3fBg5r1.jpg ~Proofpyros. https://i.imgtc.com/1rnJA1h.jpg ~Ryetoast <cite>hyperpsycho posted [p:923601472] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote>So should we go with an Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow type of city design?</quote> the experimental design for cities is the one we currently have that's super carcentric... one major reason other countries have better transit systems isn't that they're smaller, it's that their cities developed prior to the invention of the automobile. this is also why older cities on the eastcoast of the US have better public transit, relatively speaking</quote> Meant this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPCOT_(concept)#Transportation just without the creepy everything in the city is owned by Disney stuff. <_<</quote> Nice try but the future of this country is a dystopian corporatocracy where Disney and a few other companies own everything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 06/20/19 4:07:07 PM #34:	The problem is that our cities and country are completely dependent on cars, due to the god-awful state of its public transit. Obviously due to lobbying by auto makers. Perascamin posted... Why is it even legal to set up campaigns and lobby against companies that could hurt your business Because America has been completely bought out by corporate interests. --- Be wary of boarding the hype train, lest you end up on the ruse cruise... - nanobuilder (r/nintendo) http://backloggery.com/SolarCrimson <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:923602226] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>The problem is that our cities and country are completely dependent on cars, due to the god-awful state of its public transit. Obviously due to lobbying by auto makers. <cite>Perascamin posted...</cite> <quote>Why is it even legal to set up campaigns and lobby against companies that could hurt your business</quote> Because America has been completely bought out by corporate interests.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 06/20/19 4:13:19 PM #35:	I love sitting in a place having a good lunch and some idiot on the street drives by with his boostes bass and shakes the whole fucking building. This is a common occurence in the city. Good article. Sad thing is, houses will have 10 cars parked in them in a densely populated neighborhood because they have several families living there. That is all fine, except at least one person in said houses tend to want to drive around at 2 in the morning. Really considering moving out of the city. --- "Even if that's not the case, I would prefer this bill fail, since I'd rather see a Democrat get this win instead" - Doom_Art <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:923602528] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>I love sitting in a place having a good lunch and some idiot on the street drives by with his boostes bass and shakes the whole fucking building. This is a common occurence in the city. Good article. Sad thing is, houses will have 10 cars parked in them in a densely populated neighborhood because they have several families living there. That is all fine, except at least one person in said houses tend to want to drive around at 2 in the morning. Really considering moving out of the city.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KStateKing17 06/20/19 4:21:44 PM #36:	If public transportation was better and not full of crazy people less people would need cars. Some of the neighborhoods still don't sidewalks. --- The 17th King of the State of K <cite>KStateKing17 posted [p:923602942] in "Cars... [t:77805435]...</cite> <quote>If public transportation was better and not full of crazy people less people would need cars. Some of the neighborhoods still don't sidewalks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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