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Antifar 06/30/19 8:49:55 AM #1:	https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/opinion/democrats-debate-2020.html In this weeks Democratic debates, it wasnt just individual candidates who presented themselves to the public. It was also the party itself. What conclusions should ordinary people draw about what Democrats stand for, other than a thunderous repudiation of Donald Trump, and how they see America, other than as a land of unscrupulous profiteers and hapless victims? Heres what: a party that makes too many Americans feel like strangers in their own country. A party that puts more of its faith, and invests most of its efforts, in them instead of us. They speak Spanish. We dont. [Antifar's note: the author grew up in Mexico City and speaks Spanish] They are not U.S. citizens or legal residents. We are. They broke the rules to get into this country. We didnt. They pay few or no taxes. We already pay most of those taxes. They willingly got themselves into debt. Were asked to write it off. They dont pay the premiums for private health insurance. Were supposed to give up ours in exchange for some V.A.-type nightmare. They didnt start enterprises that create employment and drive innovation. Were expected to join the candidates in demonizing the job-creators, breaking up their businesses and taxing them to the hilt. That was the broad gist of the Democratic message, in which the only honorable exceptions, like Marylands John Delaney and Colorados John Hickenlooper, came across as square dancers at a rave. On closer inspection, the message got even worse. Promising access to health insurance for north of 11 million undocumented immigrants at a time when theres a migration crisis at the southern border? Every candidate at Thursdays debate raised a hand for that one, in what was surely the evenings best moment for the Trump campaign. Calling for the decriminalization of border crossings (while opposing a wall)? That was a major theme of Wednesdays debate, underlining the Republican contention that Democrats are a party of open borders, limitless amnesty and, in time, the Third World-ization of America. Switching to Spanish? Memo to Beto ORourke and Cory Booker: If you cant speak the language without a heavy American accent, dont bother. It just reminds those of us who can that the only thing worse than an obnoxious gringo is a pandering one. [Antifar's note: Hispanics born in the U.S. largely speak Spanish with an American accent.] ... Throughout the debates, I kept wondering if any of the leading candidates would speak to Americans beyond the Democratic base. But Joe Biden seemed too feeble, oratorically and intellectually, to buck the self-defeating trend. Pete Buttigieg was, as always, fluent, knowledgeable and sincere. But his big moment a mea culpa for a racially charged policing incident in South Bend felt like another well-mannered white guy desperate to put his wokeness on display. Harris, meanwhile, came across as Barack Obama in reverse, especially with her scurrilous attack on Biden for the sin of having had a functional political relationship with two former segregationist senators in the 1970s. This was portrayed as a clever debate move but it will come to haunt her. Obamas political genius was to emphasize what Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt, authors of The Coddling of the American Mind, have called common-humanity identity politics he made you feel comfortable no matter the color of your skin. [Antifar's note: the voters Stephens claims to speak for did not feel this way about Obama, and especially not Stephens himself: https://twitter.com/JeffreyASachs/status/1145022387727065089] Harriss approach, by contrast, is common-enemy identity politics. Making white Americans feel racially on trial for views they may have held in the past on crime, busing and similar subjects is not going to help the Democrats. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:924047349] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/opinion/democrats-debate-2020.html <quote>In this weeks Democratic debates, it wasnt just individual candidates who presented themselves to the public. It was also the party itself. What conclusions should ordinary people draw about what Democrats stand for, other than a thunderous repudiation of Donald Trump, and how they see America, other than as a land of unscrupulous profiteers and hapless victims? Heres what: a party that makes too many Americans feel like strangers in their own country. A party that puts more of its faith, and invests most of its efforts, in them instead of us. They speak Spanish. We dont. [Antifar's note: the author grew up in Mexico City and speaks Spanish] They are not U.S. citizens or legal residents. We are. They broke the rules to get into this country. We didnt. They pay few or no taxes. We already pay most of those taxes. They willingly got themselves into debt. Were asked to write it off. They dont pay the premiums for private health insurance. Were supposed to give up ours in exchange for some V.A.-type nightmare. They didnt start enterprises that create employment and drive innovation. Were expected to join the candidates in demonizing the job-creators, breaking up their businesses and taxing them to the hilt. That was the broad gist of the Democratic message, in which the only honorable exceptions, like Marylands John Delaney and Colorados John Hickenlooper, came across as square dancers at a rave. On closer inspection, the message got even worse. Promising access to health insurance for north of 11 million undocumented immigrants at a time when theres a migration crisis at the southern border? Every candidate at Thursdays debate raised a hand for that one, in what was surely the evenings best moment for the Trump campaign. Calling for the decriminalization of border crossings (while opposing a wall)? That was a major theme of Wednesdays debate, underlining the Republican contention that Democrats are a party of open borders, limitless amnesty and, in time, the Third World-ization of America. Switching to Spanish? Memo to Beto ORourke and Cory Booker: If you cant speak the language without a heavy American accent, dont bother. It just reminds those of us who can that the only thing worse than an obnoxious gringo is a pandering one. [Antifar's note: Hispanics born in the U.S. largely speak Spanish with an American accent.] ... Throughout the debates, I kept wondering if any of the leading candidates would speak to Americans beyond the Democratic base. But Joe Biden seemed too feeble, oratorically and intellectually, to buck the self-defeating trend. Pete Buttigieg was, as always, fluent, knowledgeable and sincere. But his big moment a mea culpa for a racially charged policing incident in South Bend felt like another well-mannered white guy desperate to put his wokeness on display. Harris, meanwhile, came across as Barack Obama in reverse, especially with her scurrilous attack on Biden for the sin of having had a functional political relationship with two former segregationist senators in the 1970s. This was portrayed as a clever debate move but it will come to haunt her. Obamas political genius was to emphasize what Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt, authors of The Coddling of the American Mind, have called common-humanity identity politics he made you feel comfortable no matter the color of your skin. [Antifar's note: the voters Stephens claims to speak for did not feel this way about Obama, and especially not Stephens himself: https://twitter.com/JeffreyASachs/status/1145022387727065089] Harriss approach, by contrast, is common-enemy identity politics. Making white Americans feel racially on trial for views they may have held in the past on crime, busing and similar subjects is not going to help the Democrats. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 06/30/19 8:54:00 AM #2:	So basically his problem with the Democratic candidates is that they aren't Republicans? --- https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:924047419] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>So basically his problem with the Democratic candidates is that they aren't Republicans?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dr_marble 06/30/19 9:00:13 AM #3:	I'm sure NYT is well aware of how brazenly conservative this is. --- If cuckoldry is a thinking man's fetish, explain G-Eazy. <cite>dr_marble posted [p:924047548] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>I'm sure NYT is well aware of how brazenly conservative this is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Southernfatman 06/30/19 9:02:51 AM #5:	The media are propaganda machines used by the rich. Why is this shocking? --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:924047600] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>The media are propaganda machines used by the rich. Why is this shocking?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CookieMarvin 06/30/19 9:08:46 AM #6:	oh of course its bret stephens LOL https://twitter.com/mattgertz/status/1144938296549789696?s=21 nyt opinion section is such a goddamn dumpster fire but they keep letting them pump out these dog shit columns because libs thinks it makes them smarter and more well-rounded to read stupid nonsense from rich people --- https://i.imgtc.com/tiJ2WDn.jpg <cite>CookieMarvin posted [p:924047723] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>oh of course its bret stephens LOL https://twitter.com/mattgertz/status/1144938296549789696?s=21 nyt opinion section is such a goddamn dumpster fire but they keep letting them pump out these dog shit columns because libs thinks it makes them smarter and more well-rounded to read stupid nonsense from rich people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 06/30/19 9:10:07 AM #7:	Wait Is it just better if they only write things you agree with Wtf People have absolutely lost their damned minds <cite>Romes187 posted [p:924047740] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>Wait Is it just better if they only write things you agree with Wtf People have absolutely lost their damned minds</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 06/30/19 9:15:05 AM #8:	Great piece, and it's spot on. The sooner you lefties realize that this is how the party comes across to mainstream America, the better off you'll all be. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:924047831] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>Great piece, and it's spot on. The sooner you lefties realize that this is how the party comes across to mainstream America, the better off you'll all be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 06/30/19 9:16:29 AM #9:	Antifar posted... Promising access to health insurance for north of 11 million undocumented immigrants at a time when theres a migration crisis at the southern border? Every candidate at Thursdays debate raised a hand for that one, in what was surely the evenings best moment for the Trump campaign. Calling for the decriminalization of border crossings (while opposing a wall)? That was a major theme of Wednesdays debate, underlining the Republican contention that Democrats are a party of open borders, limitless amnesty I passed on the debates but this really happened? --- "Everyone attack." - The man in the back <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:924047857] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Promising access to health insurance for north of 11 million undocumented immigrants at a time when theres a migration crisis at the southern border? Every candidate at Thursdays debate raised a hand for that one, in what was surely the evenings best moment for the Trump campaign. Calling for the decriminalization of border crossings (while opposing a wall)? That was a major theme of Wednesdays debate, underlining the Republican contention that Democrats are a party of open borders, limitless amnesty</quote> I passed on the debates but this really happened?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StucklnMyPants 06/30/19 9:18:52 AM #10:	The Admiral posted... Great piece, and it's spot on. The sooner you lefties realize that this is how the party comes across to mainstream America, the better off you'll all be. inb4CyricZ --- Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes. <cite>StucklnMyPants posted [p:924047911] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Great piece, and it's spot on. The sooner you lefties realize that this is how the party comes across to mainstream America, the better off you'll all be.</quote> inb4CyricZ</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 06/30/19 9:22:59 AM #11:	Antifar posted... Obamas political genius was to emphasize what Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt, authors of The Coddling of the American Mind, have called common-humanity identity politics he made you feel comfortable no matter the color of your skin. [Antifar's note: the voters Stephens claims to speak for did not feel this way about Obama, and especially not Stephens himself: https://twitter.com/JeffreyASachs/status/1145022387727065089] ...ya Bret did not think that answers Obama himself, at all. Lol, maybe he's saying that's how others thought of Obama? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:924048003] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Obamas political genius was to emphasize what Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt, authors of The Coddling of the American Mind, have called common-humanity identity politics he made you feel comfortable no matter the color of your skin. [Antifar's note: the voters Stephens claims to speak for did not feel this way about Obama, and especially not Stephens himself: https://twitter.com/JeffreyASachs/status/1145022387727065089]</quote> ...ya Bret did not think that answers Obama himself, at all. Lol, maybe he's saying that's how others thought of Obama?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CookieMarvin 06/30/19 9:23:45 AM #12:	the sooner the lefties realize that old rich dudes and disgraced former gamefaqs moderators dont like it when beto avoids answering questions in spanish, the sooner we can get this party back to the center right where they want it. --- https://i.imgtc.com/tiJ2WDn.jpg <cite>CookieMarvin posted [p:924048022] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>the sooner the lefties realize that old rich dudes and disgraced former gamefaqs moderators dont like it when beto avoids answering questions in spanish, the sooner we can get this party back to the center right where they want it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
friendbuddypal 06/30/19 9:27:27 AM #13:	That conservative bastion, the New York Times, strikes again. Truly the Fox News of newspapers. --- CIA: You're a big guy. Bane: For you. <cite>friendbuddypal posted [p:924048101] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>That conservative bastion, the New York Times, strikes again. Truly the Fox News of newspapers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/30/19 9:30:19 AM #14:	Ah yes, Republicans angry about Democrats existing. This is certainly important. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:924048185] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>Ah yes, Republicans angry about Democrats existing. This is certainly important.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 06/30/19 10:31:47 AM #15:	Romes187 posted... Wait Is it just better if they only write things you agree with Wtf People have absolutely lost their damned minds It'd be better if they held their conservative quota hires to any sort of intellectual standard. Or editing. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:924049685] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>Wait Is it just better if they only write things you agree with Wtf People have absolutely lost their damned minds </quote> It'd be better if they held their conservative quota hires to any sort of intellectual standard. Or editing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 06/30/19 10:40:44 AM #16:	The Admiral posted... Great piece, and it's spot on. The sooner you lefties realize that this is how the party comes across to mainstream America, the better off you'll all be. you lefties Yeah, you really speak for mainstream America friendbuddypal posted... That conservative bastion, the New York Times, strikes again. Truly the Fox News of newspapers. Shut the fuck up Hypno --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:924049977] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Great piece, and it's spot on. The sooner you lefties realize that this is how the party comes across to mainstream America, the better off you'll all be.</quote> you lefties Yeah, you really speak for mainstream America <cite>friendbuddypal posted...</cite> <quote>That conservative bastion, the New York Times, strikes again. Truly the Fox News of newspapers.</quote> Shut the fuck up Hypno</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 06/30/19 10:51:03 AM #17:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Yeah, you really speak for mainstream America Yep, both me and the New York Times are out of touch, and a board full of users who think communism is swell are the ones who speak for the people. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:924050279] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, you really speak for mainstream America </quote> Yep, both me and the New York Times are out of touch, and a board full of users who think communism is swell are the ones who speak for the people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 06/30/19 10:55:17 AM #18:	boomer article into the trash it goes --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:924050394] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>boomer article into the trash it goes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 06/30/19 11:08:36 AM #19:	The Admiral posted... a board full of users who think communism is swell lol --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:924050763] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>a board full of users who think communism is swell </quote> lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andromedadude3 06/30/19 11:12:20 AM #20:	That final paragraph is pretty accurate tbqh --- "You think you do, but you don't." <cite>andromedadude3 posted [p:924050875] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>That final paragraph is pretty accurate tbqh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 06/30/19 11:12:33 AM #21:	There are definitely cases where Democrats embarrass themselves trying to appeal to specific parts of their base. I cringe every time Bernie or Warren talk about bailing out their base of upper-class white college graduates. But this article seems to imply Donald Trump does appeal to the average person for some reason? Most Americans oppose the wall, why wouldn't Democrats oppose it in a primary debate? Americans oppose most of Trump's positions. Americans didn't even vote for Trump. Democrats don't need to be more like Trump. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:924050884] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>There are definitely cases where Democrats embarrass themselves trying to appeal to specific parts of their base. I cringe every time Bernie or Warren talk about bailing out their base of upper-class white college graduates. But this article seems to imply Donald Trump does appeal to the average person for some reason? Most Americans oppose the wall, why wouldn't Democrats oppose it in a primary debate? Americans oppose most of Trump's positions. Americans didn't even vote for Trump. Democrats don't need to be more like Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 06/30/19 11:13:25 AM #22:	The Admiral posted... Yep, both me and the New York Times are out of touch, Columnists aren't their outlets; I imagine "The New York Times," as an entity, feels quite differently from Stephens. --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:924050913] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Yep, both me and the New York Times are out of touch,</quote> Columnists aren't their outlets; I imagine "The New York Times," as an entity, feels quite differently from Stephens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchiePeck 06/30/19 11:14:57 AM #23:	There's a reason the Bee Gees sang "we can try, to understand, the New York Times effect on man" in Staying Alive! <cite>ArchiePeck posted [p:924050967] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>There's a reason the Bee Gees sang "we can try, to understand, the New York Times effect on man" in Staying Alive!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 06/30/19 11:15:40 AM #24:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Most Americans oppose the wall, why wouldn't Democrats oppose it in a primary debate? Most Americans oppose the wall, but they also oppose open borders and want to see policies in place to stem the flood of illegals entering the U.S. The Democrats pretending that this isn't a problem and acting like illegal immigrants should be welcomed are going to lose the issue in the eyes of the American public every single time. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:924050995] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Most Americans oppose the wall, why wouldn't Democrats oppose it in a primary debate?</quote> Most Americans oppose the wall, but they also oppose open borders and want to see policies in place to stem the flood of illegals entering the U.S. The Democrats pretending that this isn't a problem and acting like illegal immigrants should be welcomed are going to lose the issue in the eyes of the American public every single time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 06/30/19 11:16:54 AM #25:	The Admiral posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Yeah, you really speak for mainstream America Yep, both me and the New York Times are out of touch, and a board full of users who think communism is swell are the ones who speak for the people. you-tried.jpg --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:924051028] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, you really speak for mainstream America </quote> Yep, both me and the New York Times are out of touch, and a board full of users who think communism is swell are the ones who speak for the people.</quote> you-tried.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 06/30/19 11:20:41 AM #26:	The Admiral posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Yeah, you really speak for mainstream America Yep, both me and the New York Times are out of touch, and a board full of users who think communism is swell are the ones who speak for the people. Bret Stephens is a never-Trump conservative and you don't think he's out of touch with Americans? --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:924051142] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, you really speak for mainstream America </quote> Yep, both me and the New York Times are out of touch, and a board full of users who think communism is swell are the ones who speak for the people.</quote> Bret Stephens is a never-Trump conservative and you don't think he's out of touch with Americans?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 06/30/19 11:21:15 AM #27:	Well at least I know where the author stands and what may make him feel a certain way for whatever reason. It ain't bad --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:924051155] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>Well at least I know where the author stands and what may make him feel a certain way for whatever reason. It ain't bad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 06/30/19 11:22:41 AM #28:	Anteaterking posted... Bret Stephens is a never-Trump conservative and you don't think he's out of touch with Americans? No, I actually think he's aligned with the majority of the American voters, both Republicans and Democrats, who are generally in the center. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:924051203] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>Bret Stephens is a never-Trump conservative and you don't think he's out of touch with Americans?</quote> No, I actually think he's aligned with the majority of the American voters, both Republicans and Democrats, who are generally in the center.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tryhaptaward 06/30/19 11:24:32 AM #29:	WTF we hate the New York Times now? The Admiral posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Yeah, you really speak for mainstream America Yep, both me and the New York Times are out of touch, and a board full of users who think communism is swell are the ones who speak for the people. WTF we like the New York Times now? <cite>Tryhaptaward posted [p:924051275] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>WTF we hate the New York Times now? <cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, you really speak for mainstream America </quote> Yep, both me and the New York Times are out of touch, and a board full of users who think communism is swell are the ones who speak for the people.</quote> WTF we like the New York Times now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 06/30/19 11:24:48 AM #30:	The Admiral posted... Anteaterking posted... Bret Stephens is a never-Trump conservative and you don't think he's out of touch with Americans? No, I actually think he's aligned with the majority of the American voters, both Republicans and Democrats, who are generally in the center. 80% of GOP voters support Trump, though. Is that the center? --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:924051281] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>Bret Stephens is a never-Trump conservative and you don't think he's out of touch with Americans?</quote> No, I actually think he's aligned with the majority of the American voters, both Republicans and Democrats, who are generally in the center.</quote> 80% of GOP voters support Trump, though. Is that the center?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 06/30/19 11:25:17 AM #31:	pegusus123456 posted... So basically his problem with the Democratic candidates is that they aren't Republicans? I think his problem is that Democrats are so up their own butt with identity politics that theyre ignoring your rust belt voters. Its not a good look. You can make racial issues important without vilifying people who dont really think about them. --- ultimate milf hunter https://imgur.com/lCEdce6 https://imgur.com/2N1Ezia https://imgur.com/ukJ6sPJ https://youtu.be/IDYaHvDiTr4 <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:924051301] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>pegusus123456 posted...</cite> <quote>So basically his problem with the Democratic candidates is that they aren't Republicans?</quote> I think his problem is that Democrats are so up their own butt with identity politics that theyre ignoring your rust belt voters. Its not a good look. You can make racial issues important without vilifying people who dont really think about them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 06/30/19 11:26:40 AM #32:	Tryhaptaward posted... WTF we hate the New York Times now? Their reporting is largely good; their opinion columnists are mostly mediocre, with some exceptions good and bad. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:924051345] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tryhaptaward posted...</cite> <quote>WTF we hate the New York Times now? </quote> Their reporting is largely good; their opinion columnists are mostly mediocre, with some exceptions good and bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 06/30/19 11:27:05 AM #33:	The Admiral posted... Republicans... who are generally in the center. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc" data-time=" <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:924051355] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Republicans... who are generally in the center.</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 06/30/19 11:31:24 AM #34:	Intro2Logic posted... The Admiral posted... Anteaterking posted... Bret Stephens is a never-Trump conservative and you don't think he's out of touch with Americans? No, I actually think he's aligned with the majority of the American voters, both Republicans and Democrats, who are generally in the center. 80% of GOP voters support Trump, though. Is that the center? I know this is going to come a shock to a lot of people here, but Trump's actual policies are fairly right-center, with the exception of some of his left-leaning nationalist economic policies. He hasn't pushed for any agenda items that could be considered "far right." --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:924051490] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>Bret Stephens is a never-Trump conservative and you don't think he's out of touch with Americans?</quote> No, I actually think he's aligned with the majority of the American voters, both Republicans and Democrats, who are generally in the center.</quote> 80% of GOP voters support Trump, though. Is that the center?</quote> I know this is going to come a shock to a lot of people here, but Trump's actual policies are fairly right-center, with the exception of some of his left-leaning nationalist economic policies. He hasn't pushed for any agenda items that could be considered "far right."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Error1355 06/30/19 11:37:25 AM #35:	reads topic reads replies remembers why I don't talk politics on CE leaves topic --- Welcome home, shed your skin and expose your bones. Take my hand, follow us into the black so far that we can't get back. <cite>Error1355 posted [p:924051686] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>reads topic reads replies remembers why I don't talk politics on CE leaves topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 06/30/19 11:37:57 AM #36:	The Admiral posted... I know this is going to come a shock to a lot of people here, but Trump's actual policies are fairly right-center, with the exception of some of his left-leaning nationalist economic policies. Denying climate change and undoing environmental regulation is right center? https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/28/14766462/trump-executive-order-clean-water-rule-epa-environment https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/trump-administration-to-replace-obamas-clean-power-plan.html Tax cuts for billionaires are center right? https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/15/donald-trump-tax-cuts-unpopular-1273469 and so on for blocking protections against anti-LGBT discrimination, his anti-immigration policies, and so on. If all that is "center right" the center right sucks, and Democrats are doing everyone (except billionaires) a service by not catering to it. --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:924051703] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>I know this is going to come a shock to a lot of people here, but Trump's actual policies are fairly right-center, with the exception of some of his left-leaning nationalist economic policies.</quote> Denying climate change and undoing environmental regulation is right center? https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/28/14766462/trump-executive-order-clean-water-rule-epa-environment https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/trump-administration-to-replace-obamas-clean-power-plan.html Tax cuts for billionaires are center right? https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/15/donald-trump-tax-cuts-unpopular-1273469 and so on for blocking protections against anti-LGBT discrimination, his anti-immigration policies, and so on. If all that is "center right" the center right sucks, and Democrats are doing everyone (except billionaires) a service by not catering to it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 06/30/19 11:38:52 AM #37:	The Admiral posted... but Trump's actual policies are fairly right-center, Kind of makes being a never Trumper look even dumber. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:924051733] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote> but Trump's actual policies are fairly right-center,</quote> Kind of makes being a never Trumper look even dumber.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Swagnificent119 06/30/19 11:43:59 AM #38:	More and more I'm convinced the far left are detached from reality. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/nHeqezb.png Don't Hate, Celebrate <cite>Swagnificent119 posted [p:924051910] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>More and more I'm convinced the far left are detached from reality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 06/30/19 11:44:59 AM #39:	Swagnificent119 posted... More and more I'm convinced the far left are detached from reality. We're talking about the Democratic party, not the far left. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:924051957] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>Swagnificent119 posted...</cite> <quote>More and more I'm convinced the far left are detached from reality.</quote> We're talking about the Democratic party, not the far left.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 06/30/19 11:45:54 AM #40:	Intro2Logic posted... Denying climate change and undoing environmental regulation is right center? https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/28/14766462/trump-executive-order-clean-water-rule-epa-environment https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/trump-administration-to-replace-obamas-clean-power-plan.html Tax cuts for billionaires are center right? https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/15/donald-trump-tax-cuts-unpopular-1273469 Tax cuts and roll backs on federal government regulations are mainstream conservative stances. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:924051988] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>Denying climate change and undoing environmental regulation is right center? https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/28/14766462/trump-executive-order-clean-water-rule-epa-environment https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/trump-administration-to-replace-obamas-clean-power-plan.html Tax cuts for billionaires are center right? https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/15/donald-trump-tax-cuts-unpopular-1273469</quote> Tax cuts and roll backs on federal government regulations are mainstream conservative stances.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 06/30/19 11:52:06 AM #41:	Phantom_Nook posted... The Admiral posted... a board full of users who think communism is swell lol Looks like someone wants to go full proudclad. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:924052211] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>Phantom_Nook posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>a board full of users who think communism is swell </quote> lol</quote> Looks like someone wants to go full proudclad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 06/30/19 11:53:42 AM #42:	Tmaster148 posted... Phantom_Nook posted... The Admiral posted... a board full of users who think communism is swell lol Looks like someone wants to go full proudclad. No one should ever go full Proudclod. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:924052264] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Phantom_Nook posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>a board full of users who think communism is swell </quote> lol</quote> Looks like someone wants to go full proudclad.</quote> No one should ever go full Proudclod.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 06/30/19 12:31:07 PM #43:	The Admiral posted... Most Americans oppose the wall, but they also oppose open borders Good thing no Dem candidate is advocating for open borders. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:924053599] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Most Americans oppose the wall, but they also oppose open borders </quote> Good thing no Dem candidate is advocating for open borders.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThanksUglyGod 06/30/19 12:38:56 PM #44:	The Admiral posted... Tax cuts and roll backs on federal government regulations are mainstream conservative stances. Yeah, I'm sure the average Republican loved that $1.6 trillion tax cut that went to the super rich. <cite>ThanksUglyGod posted [p:924053873] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Tax cuts and roll backs on federal government regulations are mainstream conservative stances.</quote> Yeah, I'm sure the average Republican loved that $1.6 trillion tax cut that went to the super rich.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/30/19 12:44:04 PM #45:	ThanksUglyGod posted... The Admiral posted... Tax cuts and roll backs on federal government regulations are mainstream conservative stances. Yeah, I'm sure the average Republican loved that $1.6 trillion tax cut that went to the super rich. This sounds sarcastic but Im not sure why youd be sarcastic about that. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:924054060] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Tax cuts and roll backs on federal government regulations are mainstream conservative stances.</quote> Yeah, I'm sure the average Republican loved that $1.6 trillion tax cut that went to the super rich.</quote> This sounds sarcastic but Im not sure why youd be sarcastic about that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 06/30/19 12:45:01 PM #46:	Conservatives un-ironically think this way. Mostly because fascism needs scapegoats. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:924054093] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>Conservatives un-ironically think this way. Mostly because fascism needs scapegoats.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 06/30/19 12:45:43 PM #47:	>2019 and people are still feeding Admiral --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:924054120] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>>2019 and people are still feeding Admiral</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 06/30/19 12:50:52 PM #48:	https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/28/smirking-trump-jokes-to-putin-dont-meddle-in-us-election-g20 Joking about killing journalists, definitely right center <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:924054327] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/28/smirking-trump-jokes-to-putin-dont-meddle-in-us-election-g20 Joking about killing journalists, definitely right center</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 06/30/19 12:52:05 PM #49:	Rexdragon125 posted... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/28/smirking-trump-jokes-to-putin-dont-meddle-in-us-election-g20 Joking about killing journalists, definitely right center Nobody does jokes more bigly than Trump. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:924054371] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/28/smirking-trump-jokes-to-putin-dont-meddle-in-us-election-g20 Joking about killing journalists, definitely right center</quote> Nobody does jokes more bigly than Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 06/30/19 12:55:17 PM #50:	I think the main issue with this genre of article (and honestly, most pro-Biden arguments) is that they're based on the premise that making an appeal to the center doesn't lose any votes. In 2016, we saw depressed turnout for Hillary Clinton among more left leaning voting demographics compared to 2012 or 2008. Relevant tweet: https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1145352540596428803 "Your occasional reminder that, in theory, Democrats could win in 2020 by taking the Clinton 2016 voter and 2/3 of people who voted third party in 2016 -- and not a single Trump voter. Trump's base won't be as static, but they don't need Trump voters." There are multiple routes to victory and the Bret Stephen's of the world always pick the one that happens to line up with what they actually want, regardless of what the most "strategic" is. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:924054481] in It's insan... [t:77829769]...</cite> <quote>I think the main issue with this genre of article (and honestly, most pro-Biden arguments) is that they're based on the premise that making an appeal to the center doesn't lose any votes. In 2016, we saw depressed turnout for Hillary Clinton among more left leaning voting demographics compared to 2012 or 2008. Relevant tweet: https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1145352540596428803 "Your occasional reminder that, in theory, Democrats could win in 2020 by taking the Clinton 2016 voter and 2/3 of people who voted third party in 2016 -- and not a single Trump voter. Trump's base won't be as static, but they don't need Trump voters." There are multiple routes to victory and the Bret Stephen's of the world always pick the one that happens to line up with what they actually want, regardless of what the most "strategic" is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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