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Rob Cesternino
07/01/19 5:07:51 PM
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https://www.businessinsider.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-accused-border-patrol-officials-abusing-female-migrants-2019-7

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez accused US Customs and Border Patrol agents of forcing migrant women to drink water out of toilets at a Texas border detention facility.

The New York Democrat accused CBP of "systemic cruelty w/ a dehumanizing culture that treats [detained migrants] like animals" after touring detention facilities in South Texas with fellow members of the House Hispanic Caucus on Monday.

"Now I've seen the inside of these facilities. It's not just the kids. It's everyone," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. "People drinking out of toilets, officers laughing in front of members Congress. I brought it up to their superiors. They said 'officers are under stress & act out sometimes.' No accountability."

The congresswoman said that female migrants told her of horrible conditions and treatment by officers in the facility.

"After I forced myself into a cell w/ women & began speaking to them, one of them described their treatment at the hands of officers as 'psychological warfare' waking them at odd hours for no reason, calling them wh*res, etc," she wrote. "Tell me what about that is due to a 'lack of funding?'"

And during brief comments outside one facility, Ocasio-Cortez told reporters the cells women were being held in don't have running water.

"They put them in a room with no running water and these women were being told by CBP officers to drink out of the toilet," she said. "And that was them knowing a congressional visit was coming this is CBP on their best behavior."


Ocasio-Cortez is scheduled to visit another facility in Clint, Texas, which has become the subject of heavy scrutiny after lawyers reported that migrant children were being deprived of proper sanitation, including soap, and subjected to other cruel treatment.

Physician Dolly Lucio Sevier said the conditions at the Clinton detention center, which she recently visited, "could be compared to torture facilities."

"That is, extreme cold temperatures, lights on 24 hours a day, no adequate access to medical care, basic sanitation, water, or adequate food," Sevier wrote in a recent court declaration.

A federal judge in California ordered the government on Saturday to send an independent monitor to Clint to ensure conditions are improved.

Ocasio-Cortez sparked debate last month when she called the US's migrant detention facilities "concentration camps." Some took issue with Ocasio-Cortez's implicit comparison of the detention centers and World World II-era death camps.

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EffectAndCause
07/01/19 5:08:23 PM
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Shes hot so ill support her in all things.
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QuantumTheory
07/01/19 5:08:26 PM
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Was she telling the truth?
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nativengine
07/01/19 5:15:36 PM
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Shes really doubling down on her concentration camps quote and phony pics aint she?
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pauIie
07/01/19 5:17:22 PM
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Grischnak
07/01/19 5:17:26 PM
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Tbqh I'm surprised she didn't take some selfies with the woman and post it on her Twitter.
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s0nicfan
07/01/19 5:19:39 PM
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She'd do more, but without that congressional pay raise she's fighting for she can barely afford to live herself.
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TalesofMedz
07/01/19 5:21:38 PM
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nativengine posted...
Shes really doubling down on her concentration camps quote and phony pics aint she?

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Cheater87
07/01/19 5:23:25 PM
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Sickening, and the Border Parole was seen posting racist things.
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CommonStar
07/01/19 5:26:07 PM
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Just left the first CBP facility. The conditions are far worse than we ever could have imagined. 15 women in their 50s- 60s sleeping in a small concrete cell, no running water. Weeks without showers. All of them separated from their families. This is a human rights crisis.

https://twitter.com/RepDean/status/1145778546998202368

I find it hard not to believe her when this was just uncovered today:
https://www.propublica.org/article/secret-border-patrol-facebook-group-agents-joke-about-migrant-deaths-post-sexist-memes
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cmiller4642
07/01/19 5:26:51 PM
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Trump's supporters have no problem with this tho. That's the thing.

If we were torturing migrants with heinous Iraqi methods they would sing his praises.
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IMNOTRAGED
07/01/19 5:28:57 PM
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I don't really see why this would be hard to believe considering everything we know to be true about these camps. People are seemingly assuming she's lying just because they don't like her. What a dumpster fire this country's politics are.
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s0nicfan
07/01/19 5:30:19 PM
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Why aren't there more pictures? We've got pictures like AOC that just show a fence, and pictures of kids in cages that turned out to be taken from protests, not detention centers, but this is kind of like alien sightings where for all the people going to these centers, we never get clear cut, taken BY THEM, pictures of exactly what they were seeing.

When you DO see pictures, they're usually fairly standard looking detention centers with healthy looking kids in reasonable conditions:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/18/17474986/family-separation-border-video

It's always the same thing. "It's horrible. You should have seen it!".... you have a smart phone.
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CommonStar
07/01/19 5:32:28 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Why aren't there more pictures? We've got pictures like AOC that just show a fence, and pictures of kids in cages that turned out to be taken from protests, not detention centers, but this is kind of like alien sightings where for all the people going to these centers, we never get clear cut, taken BY THEM, pictures of exactly what they were seeing.

When you DO see pictures, they're usually fairly standard looking detention centers with healthy looking kids in reasonable conditions:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/18/17474986/family-separation-border-video

https://twitter.com/RepJoeKennedy/status/1145791291986460672
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1145802564098777090
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treewojima
07/01/19 5:33:59 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Why aren't there more pictures? We've got pictures like AOC that just show a fence, and pictures of kids in cages that turned out to be taken from protests, not detention centers, but this is kind of like alien sightings where for all the people going to these centers, we never get clear cut, taken BY THEM, pictures of exactly what they were seeing.

When you DO see pictures, they're usually fairly standard looking detention centers with healthy looking kids in reasonable conditions:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/18/17474986/family-separation-border-video

It's always the same thing. "It's horrible. You should have seen it!".... you have a smart phone.


... Does this look like a standard detention center with healthy living conditions?

https://mobile.reuters.com/news/picture/us-border-patrol-migrant-camp-from-above-idUSRTS2HV7C/1387815192
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s0nicfan
07/01/19 5:34:39 PM
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CommonStar posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Why aren't there more pictures? We've got pictures like AOC that just show a fence, and pictures of kids in cages that turned out to be taken from protests, not detention centers, but this is kind of like alien sightings where for all the people going to these centers, we never get clear cut, taken BY THEM, pictures of exactly what they were seeing.

When you DO see pictures, they're usually fairly standard looking detention centers with healthy looking kids in reasonable conditions:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/18/17474986/family-separation-border-video

https://twitter.com/RepJoeKennedy/status/1145791291986460672


And he couldn't get video of them trying to take his phone? His congressional office couldn't have someone stand back and record him dealing with them? Nothing? He also said they tried to take his phone, not that they tookhis phone. He has twitter... he could fire off a few pictures directly to the internet before anyone could do anything.
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justaguy3492
07/01/19 5:37:08 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
And he couldn't get video of them trying to take his phone? His congressional office couldn't have someone stand back and record him dealing with them? Nothing? He also said they tried to take his phone, not that they tookhis phone. He has twitter... he could fire off a few pictures directly to the internet before anyone could do anything.


Can you feel my eyes rolling over the internet?
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legendarylemur
07/01/19 5:38:41 PM
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Jesus, if I had to stay in one of these fucking camps, I'd lose my shit. My claustrophobia would be on full tilt. Also what do you even do in these camps? Just exist?
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legendarylemur
07/01/19 5:40:09 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
CommonStar posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Why aren't there more pictures? We've got pictures like AOC that just show a fence, and pictures of kids in cages that turned out to be taken from protests, not detention centers, but this is kind of like alien sightings where for all the people going to these centers, we never get clear cut, taken BY THEM, pictures of exactly what they were seeing.

When you DO see pictures, they're usually fairly standard looking detention centers with healthy looking kids in reasonable conditions:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/18/17474986/family-separation-border-video

https://twitter.com/RepJoeKennedy/status/1145791291986460672


And he couldn't get video of them trying to take his phone? His congressional office couldn't have someone stand back and record him dealing with them? Nothing? He also said they tried to take his phone, not that they tookhis phone. He has twitter... he could fire off a few pictures directly to the internet before anyone could do anything.

Are you serious? What sort of they didn't allow any photo near the premise didn't you understand? Wouldn't that include photos of phones being taken away? Also if they do just like leak photos on the internet, then they have grounds to arrest you or some shit, regardless of morals.
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s0nicfan
07/01/19 5:50:09 PM
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legendarylemur posted...
s0nicfan posted...
CommonStar posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Why aren't there more pictures? We've got pictures like AOC that just show a fence, and pictures of kids in cages that turned out to be taken from protests, not detention centers, but this is kind of like alien sightings where for all the people going to these centers, we never get clear cut, taken BY THEM, pictures of exactly what they were seeing.

When you DO see pictures, they're usually fairly standard looking detention centers with healthy looking kids in reasonable conditions:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/18/17474986/family-separation-border-video

https://twitter.com/RepJoeKennedy/status/1145791291986460672


And he couldn't get video of them trying to take his phone? His congressional office couldn't have someone stand back and record him dealing with them? Nothing? He also said they tried to take his phone, not that they tookhis phone. He has twitter... he could fire off a few pictures directly to the internet before anyone could do anything.

Are you serious? What sort of they didn't allow any photo near the premise didn't you understand? Wouldn't that include photos of phones being taken away? Also if they do just like leak photos on the internet, then they have grounds to arrest you or some shit, regardless of morals.


So you believe that people like AOC are touring literal concentration camps and that everything they're saying is completely true, and yet she's not willing to leak a picture because it might get her in trouble? And you think they would actually arrest her knowing it would make her a political martyr and catapult her into international fame?
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Grischnak
07/01/19 5:51:26 PM
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https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1145802564098777090

I'm sorry but that's like the most 1st world complaint ever. "Oh no! The women don't have access to designer shampoos!". Things like that are why I can't take her seriously. If there are guards actually going around calling people whores then that's an actual issue and they should be fired. But the place having cheap, generic shampoo? No shit. That's how it should be.
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Doom_Art
07/01/19 5:53:10 PM
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@s0nicfan dude take a step back and look at what you're doing lol
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Anteaterking
07/01/19 5:56:59 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
So you believe that people like AOC are touring literal concentration camps and that everything they're saying is completely true, and yet she's not willing to leak a picture because it might get her in trouble? And you think they would actually arrest her knowing it would make her a political martyr and catapult her into international fame?

Grischnak posted...
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1145802564098777090


CBP made us check our phones.

So you have two options at that point. Go into the facility or try to take some shitty photo of the exterior and get kicked out.
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glitteringfairy
07/01/19 5:57:08 PM
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I'm all for detaining illegals because they are criminals. But we need to do it with respect and treat them like people. The sadistic stuff needs to end
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PleaseClap
07/01/19 5:59:37 PM
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Grischnak posted...
"Oh no! The women don't have access to designer shampoos!".

That's certainly an...interesting way to interpret that tweet
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eston
07/01/19 6:00:25 PM
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Grischnak posted...
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1145802564098777090

I'm sorry but that's like the most 1st world complaint ever. "Oh no! The women don't have access to designer shampoos!". Things like that are why I can't take her seriously. If there are guards actually going around calling people whores then that's an actual issue and they should be fired. But the place having cheap, generic shampoo? No shit. That's how it should be.

That doesn't seem terribly adequate for washing one's whole body when people are having to go weeks between showers
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tullock
07/01/19 6:03:43 PM
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Grischnak posted...
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1145802564098777090

I'm sorry but that's like the most 1st world complaint ever. "Oh no! The women don't have access to designer shampoos!". Things like that are why I can't take her seriously. If there are guards actually going around calling people whores then that's an actual issue and they should be fired. But the place having cheap, generic shampoo? No shit. That's how it should be.


Id call you intellectually dishonest but that implies you're capable of it in the first place. You're clearly failing to see the issue with being given such a small amount to use, and the fact other women are going more than two weeks without showers.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon
07/01/19 6:04:08 PM
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And to think, people still consider the US a first-world country.

My fucking sides.
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Grischnak
07/01/19 6:08:53 PM
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PleaseClap posted...
Grischnak posted...
"Oh no! The women don't have access to designer shampoos!".

That's certainly an...interesting way to interpret that tweet


She's posting the picture of the shampoo pockets as proof of abuse. That's dumb. Sorry. There is nothing wrong with the packet itself.

eston posted...
That doesn't seem terribly adequate for washing one's whole body when people are having to go weeks between showers


If that's actually true then that's an issue related to how often people are able to shower and not an issue with the quality or amount of the soap/shampoo.

tullock posted...
Id call you intellectually dishonest but that implies you're capable of it in the first place. You're clearly failing to see the issue with being given such a small amount to use, and the fact other women are going more than two weeks without showers.


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pauIie
07/01/19 6:09:38 PM
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Grischnak posted...
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1145802564098777090

I'm sorry but that's like the most 1st world complaint ever. "Oh no! The women don't have access to designer shampoos!". Things like that are why I can't take her seriously. If there are guards actually going around calling people whores then that's an actual issue and they should be fired. But the place having cheap, generic shampoo? No shit. That's how it should be.

...that's what you took out of the tweet? jfc
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Lonestar2000
07/01/19 6:14:54 PM
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This topic really triggered the salt right.
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Smashingpmkns
07/01/19 6:16:53 PM
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People who defend the shit going on in these concentration camps should be ashamed.
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PleaseClap
07/01/19 6:18:54 PM
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Did you actually read the tweet
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Bishop9800
07/01/19 6:50:30 PM
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glitteringfairy posted...
I'm all for detaining illegals because they are criminals. But we need to do it with respect and treat them like people. The sadistic stuff needs to end


Can some of yall need to read this......
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Nidhoggr
07/01/19 6:53:20 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
Guys can you stop defending this, or attacking aoc, or deflecting some other way

Please.

Hard not to attack aoc, she's a complete moron.
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Caution998
07/01/19 6:55:59 PM
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Shes confused. This is the same woman who didnt know what a garbage disposal was. Didnt even know they existed...

This is what they look like. Its an all in one lavatory thing.

89mmk1L

Now if anyone told a woman to drink from the toilet, then we should fire that individual.
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nativengine
07/01/19 7:01:27 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
s0nicfan posted...
So you believe that people like AOC are touring literal concentration camps and that everything they're saying is completely true, and yet she's not willing to leak a picture because it might get her in trouble? And you think they would actually arrest her knowing it would make her a political martyr and catapult her into international fame?

Grischnak posted...
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1145802564098777090


CBP made us check our phones.

So you have two options at that point. Go into the facility or try to take some shitty photo of the exterior and get kicked out.


Worth the risk. Id rather have a shitty photo than baseless claims. And if its so bad, why even let them tour? Why even let them talk to people? Makes no sense. If it were that bad theyre Area 51 that shit. Im buying none of this.
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Anteaterking
07/01/19 7:07:01 PM
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nativengine posted...
Worth the risk. Id rather have a s***ty photo than baseless claims. And if its so bad, why even let them tour? Why even let them talk to people? Makes no sense. If it were that bad theyre Area 51 that s***. Im buying none of this.


It's not a matter of "risk" at all, it's a matter of when someone tells you to hand over your phone before you go inside, some dogshit photo of things you can see from outside doesn't mean anything.

The actual answer to "Why let them tour?" is that there are calculations made by CPB to these things. Not letting them in at all is far worse that letting people hear things second hand from AOC.

Senators/Reps are entitled to a certain amount of privilege due to their oversight role, but restricting phones has an attached security/privacy excuse while also clamping down on how much evidence can be disseminated.
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tullock
07/01/19 7:25:32 PM
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Nidhoggr posted...
Hairistotle posted...
Guys can you stop defending this, or attacking aoc, or deflecting some other way

Please.

Hard not to attack aoc, she's a complete moron.


Never see actual reasons why though
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nativengine
07/01/19 7:38:34 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
nativengine posted...
Worth the risk. Id rather have a s***ty photo than baseless claims. And if its so bad, why even let them tour? Why even let them talk to people? Makes no sense. If it were that bad theyre Area 51 that s***. Im buying none of this.


It's not a matter of "risk" at all, it's a matter of when someone tells you to hand over your phone before you go inside, some dogshit photo of things you can see from outside doesn't mean anything.

The actual answer to "Why let them tour?" is that there are calculations made by CPB to these things. Not letting them in at all is far worse that letting people hear things second hand from AOC.

Senators/Reps are entitled to a certain amount of privilege due to their oversight role, but restricting phones has an attached security/privacy excuse while also clamping down on how much evidence can be disseminated.


If they denied them access entirely, Id be more willing to listen to these claims. Shit like that would make me a believer but as it stands, I believe none of her claims. Honestly, if things are that bad there, why even let them talk to the detainees? Not buying it
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pegusus123456
07/01/19 7:39:12 PM
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IMNOTRAGED posted...
I don't really see why this would be hard to believe considering everything we know to be true about these camps. People are seemingly assuming she's lying just because they don't like her. What a dumpster fire this country's politics are.

This. This lines up perfectly with everything we've heard about these camps.
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IMNOTRAGED
07/01/19 7:39:35 PM
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tullock posted...
Never see actual reasons why though


They never give any. Most seem to think if they repeat it enough times it means it's true.
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booboy
07/01/19 7:39:59 PM
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Wouldn't a sitting member of Congress be able to relatively ignore the rule about checking phones?
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Anteaterking
07/01/19 7:44:38 PM
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nativengine posted...
If they denied them access entirely, Id be more willing to listen to these claims.


That's why they don't deny them access entirely.

Like what part of that wasn't clear from what I said in the post you're quoting?

tullock posted...
Never see actual reasons why though


People calling AOC dumb have weird standards that they only apply to her. There are so many instances of congresspeople saying stupid things that just show absolutely no knowledge of science, technology, etc. and you have people saying "AOC is so ****ing dumb because she said the Pentagon lost money, when in reality they just can't account for how it was spent".
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gp1829
07/01/19 8:03:41 PM
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booboy posted...
Wouldn't a sitting member of Congress be able to relatively ignore the rule about checking phones?


No
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littlebro07
07/01/19 8:13:17 PM
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gp1829 posted...
booboy posted...
Wouldn't a sitting member of Congress be able to relatively ignore the rule about checking phones?


No


I'm surprised no one thought to pull a Morgan Freeman in TDK and hand over a dummy phone
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hockeybub89
07/01/19 8:14:27 PM
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I feel like nothing short of live videos of active execution chambers would make people stop defending these fucking camps.
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The Admiral
07/01/19 8:16:01 PM
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Sounds exaggerated for effect, but there is no justification for this kind of treatment if it's true. The illegals and their kids deserved to be detained, but there is no excuse for abuse or cruelty

Still, AOC is not a reliable source for something like this.
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Thatuser
07/01/19 8:17:13 PM
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These people traveled many miles to reach these camps. Its like everyone conveniently forgets that. They were free to stay where they were at.
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