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_RETS_
07/12/19 5:08:42 PM
#104:


Yao posted...
What is with everyone on poor sex education? Sex isnt rocket science. How come no one feels sorry for criminals? Ignorance of the law isnt an excuse, why does ignorance work here?


It doesn't. People who say that are trying to shift responsibility of those at the bottom of their perceived oppression hierarchy.
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MC_BatCommander
07/12/19 5:09:33 PM
#105:


Yao posted...
What is with everyone on poor sex education? Sex isnt rocket science. How come no one feels sorry for criminals? Ignorance of the law isnt an excuse, why does ignorance work here?


You wouldn't know basic math if you weren't taught.

Reading isn't rocket science either
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_RETS_
07/12/19 5:10:13 PM
#106:


hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...


Whatever you can to shift responsibility. Everyone who has sex knows sex causes pregnancy. And we shouldn't have to rely on the state to educate people on the very base function of life. What a pitiful angle.

But if they all know then why are the biggest issues in places where sex ed is the poorest? Is it coincidence or does sex ed actually matter? And if sex education doesn't matter, then why even have it?


Because it is still important to teach consent, STDs, etc. Literally EVERYONE WHO HAS SEX WILLINGLY KNOWS IT LEADS TO PREGNANCY with or without sex education. You are pretending to be dumb.
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hockeybub89
07/12/19 5:10:32 PM
#107:


Yao posted...
What is with everyone on poor sex education? Sex isnt rocket science. How come no one feels sorry for criminals? Ignorance of the law isnt an excuse, why does ignorance work here?

Elementary school math isn't rocket science either, but people would be pretty stupid if states stopped teaching math.
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_RETS_
07/12/19 5:13:35 PM
#108:


hockeybub89 posted...
Yao posted...
What is with everyone on poor sex education? Sex isnt rocket science. How come no one feels sorry for criminals? Ignorance of the law isnt an excuse, why does ignorance work here?

Elementary school math isn't rocket science either, but people would be pretty stupid if states stopped teaching math.


All of these poor adults who keep shitting out poor kids just don't know what happens when you have sex. God damn education system.
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hockeybub89
07/12/19 5:13:40 PM
#109:


_RETS_ posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...


Whatever you can to shift responsibility. Everyone who has sex knows sex causes pregnancy. And we shouldn't have to rely on the state to educate people on the very base function of life. What a pitiful angle.

But if they all know then why are the biggest issues in places where sex ed is the poorest? Is it coincidence or does sex ed actually matter? And if sex education doesn't matter, then why even have it?


Because it is still important to teach consent, STDs, etc. Literally EVERYONE WHO HAS SEX WILLINGLY KNOWS IT LEADS TO PREGNANCY with or without sex education. You are pretending to be dumb.

Again, why do states with poor sex education have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy, and child poverty? None of that has anything to do with knowledge of STDs or consent. What explains that connection? Is it coincidence or are they linked?

And I'm not necessarily condoning an action but explaining it. I also think it is good to know what creates murderers, but that doesn't mean I condone murder and say no one has any control over their actions. But knowing causes can create future solutions.
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_RETS_
07/12/19 5:15:55 PM
#110:


hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...


Whatever you can to shift responsibility. Everyone who has sex knows sex causes pregnancy. And we shouldn't have to rely on the state to educate people on the very base function of life. What a pitiful angle.

But if they all know then why are the biggest issues in places where sex ed is the poorest? Is it coincidence or does sex ed actually matter? And if sex education doesn't matter, then why even have it?


Because it is still important to teach consent, STDs, etc. Literally EVERYONE WHO HAS SEX WILLINGLY KNOWS IT LEADS TO PREGNANCY with or without sex education. You are pretending to be dumb.

Again, why do states with poor sex education have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy, and child poverty? None of that has anything to do with knowledge of STDs or consent. What explains that connection? Is it coincidence or are they linked?


Who knows. But you are ignorant if you believe any meaningful number of poor people in the south don't know sex makes you pregnant. They are just overall stupid, lack impulse control, and thrive on instant gratification. Same reason crime is high. Or is that because of there aren't any classes that say that stealing or assaulting someone is wrong?
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EdgeMaster
07/12/19 5:18:10 PM
#111:


hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...


Whatever you can to shift responsibility. Everyone who has sex knows sex causes pregnancy. And we shouldn't have to rely on the state to educate people on the very base function of life. What a pitiful angle.

But if they all know then why are the biggest issues in places where sex ed is the poorest? Is it coincidence or does sex ed actually matter? And if sex education doesn't matter, then why even have it?


Because it is still important to teach consent, STDs, etc. Literally EVERYONE WHO HAS SEX WILLINGLY KNOWS IT LEADS TO PREGNANCY with or without sex education. You are pretending to be dumb.

Again, why do states with poor sex education have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy, and child poverty? None of that has anything to do with knowledge of STDs or consent. What explains that connection? Is it coincidence or are they linked?


Stork keeps coming to the wrong house.... obviously.

Poor sex education could also be synonymous with abstinence only sex education. If they handed out condoms then there would be less pregnancies, given the nature of how the tend to work.
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hockeybub89
07/12/19 5:25:02 PM
#112:


_RETS_ posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...


Whatever you can to shift responsibility. Everyone who has sex knows sex causes pregnancy. And we shouldn't have to rely on the state to educate people on the very base function of life. What a pitiful angle.

But if they all know then why are the biggest issues in places where sex ed is the poorest? Is it coincidence or does sex ed actually matter? And if sex education doesn't matter, then why even have it?


Because it is still important to teach consent, STDs, etc. Literally EVERYONE WHO HAS SEX WILLINGLY KNOWS IT LEADS TO PREGNANCY with or without sex education. You are pretending to be dumb.

Again, why do states with poor sex education have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy, and child poverty? None of that has anything to do with knowledge of STDs or consent. What explains that connection? Is it coincidence or are they linked?


Who knows. But you are ignorant if you believe any meaningful number of poor people in the south don't know sex makes you pregnant. They are just overall stupid, lack impulse control, and thrive on instant gratification. Same reason crime is high. Or is that because of there aren't any classes that say that stealing or assaulting someone is wrong?

But we're talking about something that is taught in classes and pointing out a clear connection. And your answer is "Nah. I don't know. The South must be full of the worst people"?

What is making people in the South stupid if not poor education? Airborne pathogens? Demonic possession? Does the climate attract the worst humans?

If it's not the education despite the numbers, then there is something else wrong with the South? I don't want you to tell why humans act a certain way. I want to know why more humans act a certain way in certain region of the country. Whatever the answer is, it isn't pure chance.
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MC_BatCommander
07/12/19 5:25:57 PM
#113:


_RETS_ posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...


Whatever you can to shift responsibility. Everyone who has sex knows sex causes pregnancy. And we shouldn't have to rely on the state to educate people on the very base function of life. What a pitiful angle.

But if they all know then why are the biggest issues in places where sex ed is the poorest? Is it coincidence or does sex ed actually matter? And if sex education doesn't matter, then why even have it?


Because it is still important to teach consent, STDs, etc. Literally EVERYONE WHO HAS SEX WILLINGLY KNOWS IT LEADS TO PREGNANCY with or without sex education. You are pretending to be dumb.

Again, why do states with poor sex education have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy, and child poverty? None of that has anything to do with knowledge of STDs or consent. What explains that connection? Is it coincidence or are they linked?


Who knows. But you are ignorant if you believe any meaningful number of poor people in the south don't know sex makes you pregnant. They are just overall stupid, lack impulse control, and thrive on instant gratification. Same reason crime is high. Or is that because of there aren't any classes that say that stealing or assaulting someone is wrong?


No one's saying poor people don't know that sex leads to pregnancy, that's a strawman you made up when people said lack of sex ed results in more unwanted pregnancies.
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hockeybub89
07/12/19 5:26:41 PM
#114:


In case this edit gets missed

hockeybub89 posted...
And I'm not necessarily condoning an action but explaining it. I also think it is good to know what creates murderers, but that doesn't mean I condone murder and say no one has any control over their actions. But knowing causes can create future solutions.

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Shablagoo
07/12/19 5:30:45 PM
#115:


EdgeMaster posted...
Source: know a few single mothers who claimed they havent seen the childs father in years/dont know which guy it is lol

So these are the sources that your side of the argument is drawing from, huh?
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_RETS_
07/12/19 5:42:01 PM
#116:


hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...


Whatever you can to shift responsibility. Everyone who has sex knows sex causes pregnancy. And we shouldn't have to rely on the state to educate people on the very base function of life. What a pitiful angle.

But if they all know then why are the biggest issues in places where sex ed is the poorest? Is it coincidence or does sex ed actually matter? And if sex education doesn't matter, then why even have it?


Because it is still important to teach consent, STDs, etc. Literally EVERYONE WHO HAS SEX WILLINGLY KNOWS IT LEADS TO PREGNANCY with or without sex education. You are pretending to be dumb.

Again, why do states with poor sex education have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy, and child poverty? None of that has anything to do with knowledge of STDs or consent. What explains that connection? Is it coincidence or are they linked?


Who knows. But you are ignorant if you believe any meaningful number of poor people in the south don't know sex makes you pregnant. They are just overall stupid, lack impulse control, and thrive on instant gratification. Same reason crime is high. Or is that because of there aren't any classes that say that stealing or assaulting someone is wrong?

But we're talking about something that is taught in classes and pointing out a clear connection. And your answer is "Nah. I don't know. The South must be full of the worst people"?

What is making people in the South stupid if not poor education? Airborne pathogens? Demonic possession? Does the climate attract the worst humans?

If it's not the education despite the numbers, then there is something else wrong with the South? I don't want you to tell why humans act a certain way. I want to know why more humans act a certain way in certain region of the country. Whatever the answer is, it isn't pure chance.


Lack of education definitely explains why they are generally stupid yes. However, sex ed specifically doesn't make much sense since these people don't need sex ed to tell them what happens when people have sex.
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Balrog0
07/12/19 7:03:45 PM
#117:


legendary_zell posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
legendary_zell posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
You get more of what you subsidize. We subsidize poor single moms, so we get a rising single motherhood rate along with all the additional crime and poverty associated with a high single motherhood rate.

Yeah who wouldn't want to be a single mom raising children in poverty? Truly a cushy gig.


The welfare enables this behavior, it doesnt make it desirable for people who arent already poor.


Very few people are getting cash assistance at this point. And the expenses of having a new kid significantly outweigh any increases in benefits that people get for each additional child. Do you really think people are going through pregnancy and childbirth for a few dozen extra dollars in food stamps per month?


If its so inconsequential lets just end it. Nobody will even notice, right?


It's not inconsequential because it keeps them alive. That doesn't mean it's an incentive to have a child when that's still easily a net negative proposition. It takes $180k to raise a child from 0-18, you need to provide some evidence that food stamps etc are offsetting that in people's minds.


He wants them to die, but needs a way of saying it without admitting it.
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tennisdude818
07/12/19 7:49:44 PM
#118:


Balrog0 posted...
legendary_zell posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
legendary_zell posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
You get more of what you subsidize. We subsidize poor single moms, so we get a rising single motherhood rate along with all the additional crime and poverty associated with a high single motherhood rate.

Yeah who wouldn't want to be a single mom raising children in poverty? Truly a cushy gig.


The welfare enables this behavior, it doesnt make it desirable for people who arent already poor.


Very few people are getting cash assistance at this point. And the expenses of having a new kid significantly outweigh any increases in benefits that people get for each additional child. Do you really think people are going through pregnancy and childbirth for a few dozen extra dollars in food stamps per month?


If its so inconsequential lets just end it. Nobody will even notice, right?


It's not inconsequential because it keeps them alive. That doesn't mean it's an incentive to have a child when that's still easily a net negative proposition. It takes $180k to raise a child from 0-18, you need to provide some evidence that food stamps etc are offsetting that in people's minds.


He wants them to die, but needs a way of saying it without admitting it.


Well said comrad. Anybody who considers the unintended consequences of the welfare state
just wants poor people to die. Just like how anybody who explores the unintended consequences of US military intervention hates our troops and wants Iraqis living under a cruel dictator.

Anyway, Im glad you stopped pretending to be a libertarian.
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Shadowplay
07/12/19 7:51:14 PM
#119:


DarthAragorn posted...
low intelligence

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Fossil
07/12/19 7:52:23 PM
#120:


If only procreation was a right you had to earn
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Machete
07/12/19 8:08:34 PM
#121:


Fossil posted...
If only procreation was a right you had to earn


It should be
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hockeybub89
07/12/19 8:15:38 PM
#122:


_RETS_ posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...


Whatever you can to shift responsibility. Everyone who has sex knows sex causes pregnancy. And we shouldn't have to rely on the state to educate people on the very base function of life. What a pitiful angle.

But if they all know then why are the biggest issues in places where sex ed is the poorest? Is it coincidence or does sex ed actually matter? And if sex education doesn't matter, then why even have it?


Because it is still important to teach consent, STDs, etc. Literally EVERYONE WHO HAS SEX WILLINGLY KNOWS IT LEADS TO PREGNANCY with or without sex education. You are pretending to be dumb.

Again, why do states with poor sex education have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy, and child poverty? None of that has anything to do with knowledge of STDs or consent. What explains that connection? Is it coincidence or are they linked?


Who knows. But you are ignorant if you believe any meaningful number of poor people in the south don't know sex makes you pregnant. They are just overall stupid, lack impulse control, and thrive on instant gratification. Same reason crime is high. Or is that because of there aren't any classes that say that stealing or assaulting someone is wrong?

But we're talking about something that is taught in classes and pointing out a clear connection. And your answer is "Nah. I don't know. The South must be full of the worst people"?

What is making people in the South stupid if not poor education? Airborne pathogens? Demonic possession? Does the climate attract the worst humans?

If it's not the education despite the numbers, then there is something else wrong with the South? I don't want you to tell why humans act a certain way. I want to know why more humans act a certain way in certain region of the country. Whatever the answer is, it isn't pure chance.


Lack of education definitely explains why they are generally stupid yes. However, sex ed specifically doesn't make much sense since these people don't need sex ed to tell them what happens when people have sex.

Then why is this the worst problem in places that also have poor sex ed? If no education makes them stupid, then why can't it make them stupid here? Why does the correlation have to be pure coincidence?

I think it's common sense that none of the religions are true and there is no god, yet places that teach creationism or suppress science tend to be more religious.

Have you met human beings before? Common sense is not very common.
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Nova145
07/12/19 8:19:44 PM
#123:


Food and money. Also sex is about the one damn thing a poor person can do that dont cost money lord knows.
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Yao
07/12/19 8:21:02 PM
#124:


Nova145 posted...
Food and money. Also sex is about the one damn thing a poor person can do that dont cost money lord knows.


I heard condoms exist but I dunno
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Shablagoo
07/12/19 8:33:30 PM
#125:


Yao posted...
Nova145 posted...
Food and money. Also sex is about the one damn thing a poor person can do that dont cost money lord knows.


I heard condoms exist but I dunno

Condoms are expensive as fuck. Or is that what youre saying? lol
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Yao
07/12/19 9:03:03 PM
#126:


Shablagoo posted...
Yao posted...
Nova145 posted...
Food and money. Also sex is about the one damn thing a poor person can do that dont cost money lord knows.


I heard condoms exist but I dunno

Condoms are expensive as fuck. Or is that what youre saying? lol


I mean buy them at Costco they arnet that expensive how yall not got $10
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_RETS_
07/12/19 10:53:46 PM
#127:


hockeybub89 posted...

You are arguing that these poor fucking morons just don't know sex causes pregnancy. Them being stupid due to lack of education doesn't mean they don't know that. It means what being stupid generally means. Lack of foresight, low impulse control, instant gratification mimdset, etc. Sex ed isn't fixing any of that because sex ed isn't what teaches them that.

Regardless, even if you want to argue that some fucking idiot just doesn't know so gets pregnant, guess What? Now they know. And the topic is about then CONTINUING to have kids.

And that's granting a scenario in which it's some ignorant kid. There's absolutely no excuse for an adult to just not be educated enough that sex will lead to pregnancy.
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mattnd2007
07/12/19 11:39:46 PM
#128:


aki_sora posted...
Or government should make new law one child ONLY

I'd say two, except the logistics of it makes things complicated and unlikely to happen
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Shablagoo
07/12/19 11:42:27 PM
#129:


Yao posted...
Shablagoo posted...
Yao posted...
Nova145 posted...
Food and money. Also sex is about the one damn thing a poor person can do that dont cost money lord knows.


I heard condoms exist but I dunno

Condoms are expensive as fuck. Or is that what youre saying? lol


I mean buy them at Costco they arnet that expensive how yall not got $10

It adds up if youre having regular sex, trust me on that. Part of why I dont use them.

Also, oftentimes poor people dont live near a CostCo.
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SwaggieBelle462
07/12/19 11:43:49 PM
#130:


They dont care about their actions
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StealthRock
07/12/19 11:50:53 PM
#131:


Shablagoo posted...
Yao posted...
Nova145 posted...
Food and money. Also sex is about the one damn thing a poor person can do that dont cost money lord knows.


I heard condoms exist but I dunno

Condoms are expensive as fuck. Or is that what youre saying? lol

Where i live you can get free condoms from the health department and many other places

You can buy a box of like 30 for less than 15 dollars. Should last you a while unless you have time to fuck 6 times a day
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Yao
07/12/19 11:52:39 PM
#132:


StealthRock posted...
Shablagoo posted...
Yao posted...
Nova145 posted...
Food and money. Also sex is about the one damn thing a poor person can do that dont cost money lord knows.


I heard condoms exist but I dunno

Condoms are expensive as fuck. Or is that what youre saying? lol

Where i live you can get free condoms from the health department and many other places

You can buy a box of like 30 for less than 15 dollars. Should last you a while unless you have time to fuck 6 times a day


Or just reuse them
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gatorsPENSbucs
07/12/19 11:59:47 PM
#133:


Shablagoo posted...
Condoms are expensive as fuck.

Not really.

And really not all if you compare the cost versus a kid.

My bet though is tax money. Get a lot back for having kids, and then can get handouts and shit as well.
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Shablagoo
07/13/19 12:07:10 AM
#134:


gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Shablagoo posted...
Condoms are expensive as fuck.

Not really.

And really not all if you compare the cost versus a kid.

Oh sure but what when youre poor and in the moment and horny you just wanna fuck like a rabbit. Plus theres a certain hopelessness that comes with being poor where youre not really thinking about tomorrow because youre not sure if youll ever see it.
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mooreandrew58
07/13/19 12:10:22 AM
#135:


All the people saying the sex ed in the country sucks I dont get it. I mean Im not saying its great but I havent met a single person old enough to fuck who didnt know sex causes pregnancy. Also never met anyone who didnt know about at least condoms as a form of birth control.

People with money just have more options available. And im sure a lot of poor people can afford say condoms but end up deciding theyd rather spend their money on something else like say booze which is probably responsible for some of the kids being made lol.
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gatorsPENSbucs
07/13/19 12:16:42 AM
#136:


Shablagoo posted...
Oh sure but what when youre poor and in the moment and horny you just wanna fuck like a rabbit. Plus theres a certain hopelessness that comes with being poor where youre not really thinking about tomorrow because youre not sure if youll ever see it.

Well damn dude, next time warn me that I'll need some tissues.
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Shablagoo
07/13/19 12:18:46 AM
#137:


gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Shablagoo posted...
Oh sure but what when youre poor and in the moment and horny you just wanna fuck like a rabbit. Plus theres a certain hopelessness that comes with being poor where youre not really thinking about tomorrow because youre not sure if youll ever see it.

Well damn dude, next time warn me that I'll need some tissues.

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Prismsblade
07/13/19 12:36:37 AM
#138:


Where is this sex ed garbage coming from? We are referring to people with multiple children right?

Are you implying the people in the lower class are seriously so slow they still cant figure this s*** out after having 2-4 kids? Lmao. In the age of the internet+porn this crap doeasnt fly.

Seriously just ASK these people and your hear a ton of excuses. With non of them being a lack of sex ed on the list.
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StealthRock
07/13/19 1:11:20 AM
#139:


Prismsblade posted...
Where is this sex ed garbage coming from? We are referring to people with multiple children right?

Are you implying the people in the lower class are seriously so slow they still cant figure this s*** out after having 2-4 kids? Lmao. In the age of the internet+porn this crap doeasnt fly.

Seriously just ASK these people and your hear a ton of excuses. With non of them being a lack of sex ed on the list.

There seems to be a deep disdain for poor people in this thread which is both sad and dangerous
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Machete
07/13/19 1:44:58 AM
#140:


I imagine having to defend yourself when fuckin "swaggiebellle462" is in the mix lol
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Irony
07/13/19 1:45:38 AM
#141:


Unprotected sex feels great
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SauI_Goodman
07/13/19 1:47:20 AM
#142:


Tax breaks. But these people are morons. They have the mindset of "what can help me in the here and now?" without thinking of the future. You go on foodstamps. You're not putting 10 kids through college. Now you got 10 kids who will end up with the same mindset as you because that's all they saw and know. And thus the cycle is never ending.
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SauI_Goodman
07/13/19 1:48:04 AM
#143:


Condoms are expensive af


Condoms are free if you know where to go.
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