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Ryuko_Chan
07/24/19 7:44:13 PM
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voldothegr8
07/24/19 7:46:24 PM
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Substance Abuse Ranked According to Harm to User and Society

Well no shit
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EdgeMaster
07/24/19 7:46:27 PM
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Dont even need to read the article to tell you how wrong those experts are.

When is the last time you met a heroin or crack addict with their life together?
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MasterGakke
07/24/19 7:46:36 PM
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*takes a swig of beer*

You don't say. I gotta get myself some crack.
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E32005
07/24/19 7:47:12 PM
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EdgeMaster posted...
Dont even need to read the article to tell you how wrong those experts are.

When is the last time you met a heroin or crack addict with their life together?

how many people do drunk drivers kill each year?
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thanosibe
07/24/19 7:48:33 PM
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E32005 posted...
EdgeMaster posted...
Dont even need to read the article to tell you how wrong those experts are.

When is the last time you met a heroin or crack addict with their life together?

how many people do drunk drivers kill each year?
How many people get desperate enough to kill for their next heroin/crack fix?
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DemonBuffet
07/24/19 7:48:42 PM
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Alcoholism?
Probably

Occasional drinks?
Fuck no its not.
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Ryuko_Chan
07/24/19 7:50:01 PM
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thanosibe posted...
E32005 posted...
EdgeMaster posted...
Dont even need to read the article to tell you how wrong those experts are.

When is the last time you met a heroin or crack addict with their life together?

how many people do drunk drivers kill each year?
How many people get desperate enough to kill for their next heroin/crack fix?

a lot less
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Blue_Dream87
07/24/19 7:50:07 PM
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This is well known if you actually pay attention. Shit causes more deaths than crack and heroin combined. And the fact it's so ingrained in society means it's way easier to fall to alcoholism or shit like drunk driving. Dont see that much with crackheads.
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thanosibe
07/24/19 7:54:41 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
thanosibe posted...
E32005 posted...
EdgeMaster posted...
Dont even need to read the article to tell you how wrong those experts are.

When is the last time you met a heroin or crack addict with their life together?

how many people do drunk drivers kill each year?
How many people get desperate enough to kill for their next heroin/crack fix?

a lot less
My point is the study is talking about dangerous to the body of the user. His point is irrelevant to the OP. Just as my response was. But he wont get that because for some reason on a board full of potheads; alcohol and tobacco is evil. I dont honesty dgaf what drug you use as long as you bring no harm to others using it.
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Hop103
07/24/19 7:55:30 PM
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That study is fake news, crack is far more harmful than alcohol, an with heroin, well you can all of deaths that happened with opiates since 1995.
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averagejoel
07/24/19 8:01:20 PM
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Hop103 posted...
That study is fake news, crack is far more harmful than alcohol, an with heroin, well you can all of deaths that happened with opiates since 1995.

what definition of "harmful" are you using here?
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CanuckCowboy
07/24/19 8:05:02 PM
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EdgeMaster posted...
Dont even need to read the article to tell you how wrong those experts are.

When is the last time you met a heroin or crack addict with their life together?


Giving heroin addicts maintenance doses has proven to be effective for getting them back to work and functioning in society.

Also alcohol is the only thing non earth that can kill you from withdrawals alone

And the overall detriment to society is inarguably greater in regards to alcohol.
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a-c-a-b
07/24/19 8:06:40 PM
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Heroin and crack are way worse.

I'm an alcoholic by anyone's standards but I can still hold down a job and support myself.

If crack or heroin were my addiction of choice I'd probably be living on the streets, dead or in jail for trying to support the habit.
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BaiusGaltar
07/24/19 8:08:29 PM
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EdgeMaster posted...
Dont even need to read the article to tell you how wrong those experts are.

When is the last time you met a heroin or crack addict with their life together?

There are many, many functioning addicts.
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DarkRoast
07/24/19 8:08:31 PM
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EtOH is only more harmful because of how commonly used it is. I guarantee if Heroin had the same usage rates it'd be considered far worse.
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ssjevot
07/24/19 8:11:16 PM
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Yeah, I think people are confused by what this study is saying. Alcohol causes the most overall harm due to how widely used it is. It isn't talking about harm at an individual level in a vacuum. It's saying here is the total harm this drug causes in society, so usage rates are a major factor.
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WaterLink
07/24/19 8:13:07 PM
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thanosibe posted...
My point is the study is talking about dangerous to the body of the user.

The study, if you read it, is about harm to the user AND others, as well as combined.
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DarkRoast
07/24/19 8:14:14 PM
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Heroin itself is bad enough, but the risk of endocarditis, Hep C, etc is there as well.
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07/24/19 8:21:49 PM
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Nov. 1, 2010
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Questionmarktarius
07/24/19 8:29:43 PM
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DemonBuffet posted...
Alcoholism?
Probably

Occasional drinks?
Fuck no its not.

The same could probably be said of occasional crack or smack.
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Frogles
07/24/19 8:30:54 PM
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the experts are rigbt i took an alcohol once and almost died
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Tyranthraxus
07/24/19 8:35:44 PM
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Cannabis rated higher than MDMA.

Those experts are fucking morons.
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DarkRoast
07/24/19 8:53:19 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Cannabis rated higher than MDMA.

Those experts are fucking morons.


It's all based on usage numbers.

You could technically say more people die from selfies than nuclear weapons today.

It's the same logical fallacy antivaxxers make when they say more people die of the MMR vaccine than measles itself. Because there are millions of MMR vaccines per year and like a dozen measles infections.

But the odds of dying of measles is thousands of times higher than MMR.
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MabusIncarnate
07/24/19 8:56:11 PM
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No ever says "I wanna be a beer drinker when I grow up"

Beer. Not even once.
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EdgeMaster
07/25/19 2:34:05 PM
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E32005 posted...
EdgeMaster posted...
Dont even need to read the article to tell you how wrong those experts are.

When is the last time you met a heroin or crack addict with their life together?

how many people do drunk drivers kill each year?


Real stupid rebuttal but ok. How many people do you know that hold a respsctable job with a respectable salary that do crack or heroin on their lunch break and then relax and shoot more heroin when they get home after work?

I know zero personally, and a handful more that can be described like that if you switch crack and heroin for alcohol or marijuana.

Yeah if you wanna say omg alcohol kills more people than heroin yeah sure it does, because a lot more people drink than do heroin....

BaiusGaltar posted...
EdgeMaster posted...
Dont even need to read the article to tell you how wrong those experts are.

When is the last time you met a heroin or crack addict with their life together?

There are many, many functioning addicts.


Cool. Good to know. How many functioning heroin or crack addicts do you know again? You contributed absolutely fuck all, thanks for sharing.
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PrettyBoyFloyd
07/26/19 12:18:13 PM
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So instead of drinking they're saying that one should take up crack or heroin ?
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The_Croup
07/26/19 12:20:00 PM
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As the Great Sage Okkie once said: "Work is the curse of the drinking classes".

I suspect I shall not make old bones, so I may as well enjoy evenings on the weekend.
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Balrog0
07/26/19 12:22:40 PM
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EdgeMaster posted...
How many people do you know that hold a respsctable job with a respectable salary that do crack or heroin on their lunch break and then relax and shoot more heroin when they get home after work?

I know zero personally, and a handful more that can be described like that if you switch crack and heroin for alcohol or marijuana.


Okay but... isn't this just as problematic? You just said that part of the disparity is the difference in usage rates. It makes sense that you know way fewer heroin or crack addicts, period, much less functional ones..
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mario2000
07/26/19 12:23:55 PM
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Alcohol or alcohol abuse?

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AlephZero
07/26/19 12:25:24 PM
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i could not get through life without alcohol tbh
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hockeybub89
07/26/19 12:25:50 PM
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DemonBuffet posted...
Alcoholism?
Probably

Occasional drinks?
Fuck no its not.

This is always the rub. Typically they are comparing addictions and the issue is that millions of people consume alcohol and are not addicted or abuse it. Meanwhile, cocaine and heroin are highly addictive almost from day 1. Alcoholism and DUI are worse by the sheer numbers of people who consume alcohol, but things like heroin and cocaine and nicotine are far more risky and damaging per individual using them.
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Unknown5uspect
07/26/19 12:28:07 PM
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So ... do crack. Got it.
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gatorsPENSbucs
07/26/19 12:28:44 PM
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Blue_Dream87 posted...
This is well known if you actually pay attention. Shit causes more deaths than crack and heroin combined. And the fact it's so ingrained in society means it's way easier to fall to alcoholism or shit like drunk driving. Dont see that much with crackheads.

Yup

EdgeMaster posted...
Dont even need to read the article to tell you how wrong those experts are.

Um, maybe you should have read the article so you could see how right they are.
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CanuckCowboy
07/26/19 12:37:23 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
DemonBuffet posted...
Alcoholism?
Probably

Occasional drinks?
Fuck no its not.

This is always the rub. Typically they are comparing addictions and the issue is that millions of people consume alcohol and are not addicted or abuse it. Meanwhile, cocaine and heroin are highly addictive almost from day 1. Alcoholism and DUI are worse by the sheer numbers of people who consume alcohol, but things like heroin and cocaine and nicotine are far more risky and damaging per individual using them.


Tons of people do coke recreationally and I mean tons. Its common amongst people in all sorts of careers.

Crack is a whole different animal than just snorting it though.
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ThyCorndog
07/26/19 12:37:46 PM
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this sounds like one of those cases of how like dogs are more deadly than sharks

like yeah, no shit. one is more pervasive in our society than the other. sharks are more dangerous than dogs, but we don't deal with sharks nearly as often as dogs

I'm pretty sure heroin fucks you up more than alcohol. it's just the percentage of people using it aren't nearly as high as with alcohol
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E32005
07/26/19 12:38:04 PM
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Hop103 posted...
That study is fake news, crack is far more harmful than alcohol, an with heroin, well you can all of deaths that happened with opiates since 1995.

weak
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Balrog0
07/26/19 12:39:45 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
Tons of people do coke recreationally and I mean tons. Its common amongst people in all sorts of careers.

Crack is a whole different animal than just snorting it though.


Meth is really common in certain industries, though.
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krazychao5
07/26/19 12:45:34 PM
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Y'all are missing the forest for the trees. It's almost humorous, but society is fucked because people are so damn stupid.
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hockeybub89
07/26/19 12:53:04 PM
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krazychao5 posted...
Y'all are missing the forest for the trees. It's almost humorous, but society is fucked because people are so damn stupid.

And yet people found a way to exist for the last 6000 years
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E32005
07/26/19 12:57:21 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
6000 years

xDDDDDD imagine believing this
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Irony
07/26/19 12:58:14 PM
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These experts said that about weed
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a-c-a-b
07/26/19 5:18:40 PM
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I bet I could drink those "experts" under the table.
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Questionmarktarius
07/28/19 2:05:15 AM
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LepartialJury posted...
Luckily, alcohol slows someone down to make it easier to avoid or defeat them while crack and heroin boosts their power.

PCP makes one essentially immortal, for about three hours.
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BaiusGaltar
07/28/19 3:55:15 PM
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@
E32005 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...
6000 years

xDDDDDD imagine believing this

What about it?

@E32005
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E32005
07/28/19 4:16:40 PM
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BaiusGaltar posted...
@
E32005 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...
6000 years

xDDDDDD imagine believing this

What about it?

@E32005

Humans only being 6000 years old? no scientist would believe that. we have too much archaeological evidence to prove otherwise.

are you about to defend delusion for some attention?
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BaiusGaltar
07/28/19 4:35:25 PM
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E32005 posted...
BaiusGaltar posted...
@
E32005 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...
6000 years

xDDDDDD imagine believing this

What about it?

@E32005

Humans only being 6000 years old? no scientist would believe that. we have too much archaeological evidence to prove otherwise.

are you about to defend delusion for some attention?

I don't think he's saying that humans are only 6,000 years. Civilization is around 6,000 years old.
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masticatingman
07/28/19 4:36:23 PM
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May as well be talking about fentanyl instead of heroin these days.
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