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I got Hockenson in my work league btw - Kinda surprisng. 8/12 of the league put in a claim, but neither the #1 or #2 priority did lol

Think I'm gonna try to flip him to the Henry owner (Who also happens to be the CMC/Mixon owner I referecned in #300, but we didn't talk about potential trades Friday even though we were both in the office oops

So I have Matt Ryan and Drew Brees and somebody is stuck with Winston as their only QB. Matt Ryan and Brees have the same bye week (whoops).

Is it worth it to trade one for Kerryon Johnson or Joe Mixon?
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Who are your RBs?

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

So I have Matt Ryan and Drew Brees and somebody is stuck with Winston as their only QB. Matt Ryan and Brees have the same bye week (whoops).

Is it worth it to trade one for Kerryon Johnson or Joe Mixon?

I'm pretty sure that whatever reasonable trades you make for either would have the QB as a bonus/side piece instead of the main feature, but hey, maybe you can swing it. Good luck

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

So I have Matt Ryan and Drew Brees and somebody is stuck with Winston as their only QB. Matt Ryan and Brees have the same bye week (whoops).

Is it worth it to trade one for Kerryon Johnson or Joe Mixon?

Trading for a QB is stupid unless there's absolutely nothing on the waiver wire so if you can get him to bite on trading Johnson or Mixon for one absolutely.

I mean, I'm super low on both players but having either as an RB3 or 4 would be fine and worth trading an extra QB for. Especially since they have the same bye.
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turbopuns3 posted...

Who are your RBs?

My RBs are Marlon Mack, Gus Edwards, and Ballage (and Gordon who I gambled poorly on). Gus Edwards didn't put up the numbers he did last year last week and it feels like he might not for the rest of the season.

And she has Winston who was seven points under his projected this week. And the rest of the QBs available seem like they would do less.

I'm an absolute putz when it comes to making trades so that's why I asked!
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Who are your RBs?

My RBs are Marlon Mack, Gus Edwards, and Ballage (and Gordon who I gambled poorly on). Gus Edwards didn't put up the numbers he did last year last week and it feels like he might not for the rest of the season.

And she has Winston who was seven points under his projected this week. And the rest of the QBs available seem like they would do less.

I'm an absolute putz when it comes to making trades so that's why I asked!

The basic idea here is that QBs have far, far less value than other positions simply because they're less scarce. Sure, there are only 32 QBs where there are more RBs and significantly more WRs, but you only play one QB any given week, and the drop-off from top tier QBs to mid/low-tier QBs is significantly less steep than the drop-off from top RBs to mid RBs. Like, in both the league this topic is for and my work league, I opted into the shit end of the QB stick (Trubisky and Winston respectively, and I think I was the last one to draft a QB in both leagues) and prioritized depth at RB/WR instead, and instead of scrambling to trade away depth (or even good players) for an upgrade there I could (and did) just go over to the free agent pool and grab a guy like Andy Dalton or Matt Stafford to fill in.

If you google Fantasy Football Trade Values or anything similar, you'll see that sites have charts and tools for this sort of thing that are updated regularly. They're obviously not the final authority if you can convince somebody to take a trade, but they're a good starting point. And the biggest trend you'll see is how relatively low-value QBs are.

I personally try not to even roster two QBs unless I have a good one that I don't want to drop during his bye week.

To provide numbers specific to your case, the first result for the google search I recommended was https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/fantasy-football-week-2-upgrade-your-roster-with-our-trade-values-chart/

The scale is 100% arbitrary, but it values Matt Ryan at a 5 and doesn't even bother valuing Brees. On the other side, Mixon is valued between 20 and 23 depending on your PPR setting and Kerryon between 19 and 21. Just by using these charts as raw value, you'd need to include either Mack or a comparably valuable WR for the trade to be "even" value according to this chart. You can find other ones that value players slightly differently, but the concept applies regardless.

The only reason I roster 2 QBs is because I'm in deep leagues and I always draft them late so picking up 2 gives me the option to decide who is better on a weekly basis. Also because the league is deep, it's possible to be caught out without a playable QB during bye weeks if you don't hold onto a second one.

In smaller league I'm for sure only taking 1 QB and then just grabbing one off the waivers if they catch fire or I need them in a bye.

It's like Reg says, a lot of fantasy football is about the drop off between the players you have to physically play. Who cares if the QB scores 25+ points a week and your WR2 scores 11 if the drop off to the next QB is like 22 points and the next WR you'd have to take is like 4-5 points. Having depth at RB is especially critical given the high level of attrition. A lot of people get caught up comparing direct scores between players rather than the score between your player and the next best you'd have to play at the position. A solid WR3 or RB3 is infinintely more valuable than a QB2 (or even a QB1 unless you have an elite QB1)

In one league I'm sitting here with Zeke, Chubb, AP, Royce Freeman, Carlos Hyde, Gio Bernard, Malcolm Brown, and Melvin Gordon. 8 RBs. Just trying to figure out wtf to do with 'em.

Hockenson or Vance MacDonald?
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turbopuns3 posted...

In one league I'm sitting here with Zeke, Chubb, AP, Royce Freeman, Carlos Hyde, Gio Bernard, Malcolm Brown, and Melvin Gordon. 8 RBs. Just trying to figure out wtf to do with 'em.

I wouldn't touch any league that lacks positional limits. RBs should be restricted to 4-5 per team depending on league size

We have a limit. The limit is 8.

10 teams btw

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hockenson or Vance MacDonald?

I like Hockenson, mostly because I am quite low on/don't trust MacDonald

also puns what are you doing not trading some of those mid-tier guys (and or Gordon) for WR upgrades? <_<

What's the argument for stricter limits? Everyone has equal chance to draft however they want so I'm curious.

Reg posted...

what are you doing not trading some of those mid-tier guys (and or Gordon) for WR upgrades?

That's what I meant when I said I'm trying to figure out what to do with them

Super late, but I have a guy who abandoned a team in the NFLB league? Does anyone want it right now?

turbopuns3 posted...

What's the argument for stricter limits? Everyone has equal chance to draft however they want so I'm curious.

Because RB's are at a premium and the later rounds of the draft shouldn't amount to hoarding as many RB's as you can. In a 10 man league the limit should be 4-5 RB's (I'd lean 5)

I'm in a 10 man, 12 man and 16 man league. All 3 have the RB limit set at 4 which is fine for the 16 man. For the 12 man it's a little bit trickier as you have to pick between drafting handcuffs or drafting for depth but 4 is probably fair so nobody is shafted by injuries. In the 10 man it should probably be 5 which allows you to take 3-4 RB's and 1-2 handcuffs.,

I mean what is the actual argument? You're just saying "because". What's wrong with it if everyone has equal draft options?

The argument is that there isn't enough RB's out there to sustain 8 RBs per team in a 10 man league. You can only play 3 each week anyway in most leagues so even if you handcuffed all 3 that's still only 6 RBs.

With the potential for that many to be tied up it's entirely possible that the drop off from an injured RB to the waiver wire is a RB who scores 0-2 points.

Yeah I agree with puns here. Im not saying its good strategy but I see nothing wrong with it.
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Maybe it's just because I play in high money leagues but I can tell you right now nobody would play if it was possible for people to hoard a position.

I remember what originally prompted it was like 5-6 seasons back where people were hoarding 3-4 QB's to deliberately make it so there was no QBs on waivers for bye weeks and then trying to charge ridiculous prices for them in trades (like 1st/2nd round picks for a QB who would never play outside that week). Some teams did it just so somebody would lose and had no intention of trading one away. We had similar situations with RB's where people would have 6+ on their roster and the only ones on waivers would be ones who likely wouldn't take a single snap.

We also had people picking up players/teams purely to drop them so that they weren't claimable via waivers before their game

When the prize pool is $1000+ people were going to be pissed if they miss out on the playoffs due to shady tactics like that. Hard to keep people happy in those scenarios and hard to get them to return to the league the year after.

I see what you mean.

Personally I still think that's just how it works...like in any game if there's a meta that can be adapted to, then you adapt to it. If you don't adapt, and you lose, then you just made poor decisions.

But if a majority in the league all agree that it's "lame" or "unfair" then it makes sense to just set a lower limit and not have to deal with it.

Positional limits isn't even our biggest fuck up either. 2 seasons ago this happened.

1. Player A didn't pay his dues until he made the playoffs (which was final week of the season)
2. GM overruled it stating deadline for dues was ages ago and he had been warned multiple times
3. GM inserted Lucky Loser into playoff bracket in his place and adjusted bracket accordingly
4. Lucky Loser beats unbeaten #1 seed on a tiebreaker where they both had highest score in the league for the week
4a. Tiebreaker didn't trigger correctly due to bracket being messed with and #1 seed should have actually won
5. #1 Seed would have won out if not for mishap

Prize for winner was $1200. I was the #1 seed. Mistake wasn't realized until after the following week of play when the tiebreaker did trigger correctly in another tie. (Basically higher seed got +points to effectively win a tiebreaker but he had reset the scores when he reset the bracket)

I didn't complain to the league or make a big scene about it but it took a lot of talking me into returning to that league the following season (I had offered to share the winners prize with the alternative winner as a compromise, it got shot down). He ended up comping my entry for the following years leagues (which was still considerably less than the $1200).

Talk about a bad beat.

I faced the Patriots DST in 3/6 of my leagues :/

in 1 league my matchup is down to straight up my Ertz vs his Hooper (plus 0.5)

turbopuns3 posted...

in 1 league my matchup is down to straight up my Ertz vs his Hooper (plus 0.5)

let's hope you win by 10+ tbqh

Reg posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

in 1 league my matchup is down to straight up my Ertz vs his Hooper (plus 0.5)

let's hope you win by 10+ tbqh

Who would've guessed that Emmanuel Sanders was the #1 play over Davante Adams and Keenan Allen?

Reg posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

in 1 league my matchup is down to straight up my Ertz vs his Hooper (plus 0.5)

let's hope you win by 10+ tbqh

9.26, close enough

Now I need 26 from Chubb + Landry in 0.5 PPR

turbopuns3 posted...

Now I need 26 from Chubb + Landry in 0.5 PPR

Pls no.

They got me 18 in the first half. Need 8 in the second half.

Got 1 point in the 3rd quarter.

Lol

So, last year my work league experimented with IDP.

This year, we voted to do away with it.

We apparently didn't take away the points per tackle setting.

So Chubb just got a tackle on the Mayfield interception.

Need 3.5 more in the final stretch....

Wow.

Losing by 1.4 because baker mayfield is so bad at quarterback.

Oof.

Hey guys I don't think I need to worry about trying to trade Drew Brees anymore.
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trade him for ben roethlisberger or trevor siemian.
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I'm 0-2.

Most points against.

Have faced the top two highest scoring teams.

Supposed to be smooth sailing from here on out, right?

Relatedly, the same number of people have more points for than me in this league (2-0) as in my work league (0-2)

game's weird yo

In my work league I have the 3rd fewest points against me and I'm 0-2 I just suck tbh

turbopuns3 posted...

Wow.

Losing by 1.4 because baker mayfield is so bad at quarterback.

Oof.

It's not really a problem with Baker, it's a problem with coaching. Play calling has been horrid due to the entirely new staff lead by literally a QB coach. Considering we're seeing worse play from Baker, it's probably disagreements between the Head Coach and the QB Coach in how Baker should play.
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I'm sure you're right but I feel better if I blame Baker.

Speaking of Baker. It's Browns vs Rams and I'm debating whether to play Baker or Goff.
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Dropping ballage for gore is a no brainer right?

turbopuns3 posted...

Dropping ballage for gore is a no brainer right?

It feels weird, but yeah

Frank Gore is the Pac-Man of Fantasy Football. He'll always be there and he'll always be...fine.

Ballage is like...hmm...Kazuma Kiryu.
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Kerryon Johnson for Sony Michel straight up?

Kerryon Johnson & TY Hilton for Sony Michel / Keenan Allen?

HPPR

Nanahara715 posted...

Kerryon Johnson for Sony Michel straight up?

Kerryon Johnson & TY Hilton for Sony Michel / Keenan Allen?

HPPR

I don't know who you're giving or getting, so I'll just judge based on the sides.

Kerryon Johnson for Sony Michel is close, but I'd rather have Sony Michel. The old adage "never trust a Pats running back" was true in the few years where the Patriots were one of the only teams to have a three-man RB committee, but now basically every team has at least two running backs except NYG and a few other select teams. That said, this trade is way closer than most trade ideas I see, and honestly within range of a personal preference, so I don't blame you one way or the other here.

Kerryon Johnson & TY Hilton for Sony Michel / Keenan Allen

Keenan Allen is significantly better than TY Hilton. Whichever team gets Michel and Allen wins this trade, and I don't think it's that close. TY is fine, but Allen is a likely top-10 WR, whereas TY is more of a top-20 WR, and the difference at RB isn't enough to make up for the difference between TY and Allen. You could flip which RB is on which side and my analysis would be the same.
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Well let's hope that the Arians callout sparks OJ Howard to fantasy stardom cause I just traded Marvin Jones for him to sub in for the injured Hunter Henry.

It just occurred to me.

Last week, on the last play of the game, stefon diggs threw a lateral at 0:00 in a desperation play, which bounced around and got recovered by the packers to end the game.

This counts as a fumble lost. That's -2 points.

I lost by 1.4 points.

Nice.