Current Events > C/D: Toxic masculinity exists

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

Yes, men beat their boys because they don't act "manly." Toxic masculinity describes a state that already exists, saying it doesn't is like saying schizophrenia doesn't exist.

Thats just child abuse. It has nothing to do with masculinity

DeadSite posted...

Master_Bass posted...

Of course it does.

Hmmm doesn't seem like the board agrees

It does

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

Yes, men beat their boys because they don't act "manly." Toxic masculinity describes a state that already exists, saying it doesn't is like saying schizophrenia doesn't exist.

Thats just child abuse. It has nothing to do with masculinity

Abusing a kid for not being masculine is toxic masculinity in the form of child abuse. Same as killing someone for being <race> is a hate crime in the form of murder.
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So an example of toxic masculinity is if someone pushes you then you better beat their ass or woman will think you are a weak bitch.

But what is an example of toxic femininity?
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Toxic humanity exists, it's not a male or female thing. Bitter and hateful people will always be bitter and hateful regardless of who or what they are.

OpenlyGator posted...

Oh there are people within gay communities that take aspects of homosexuality to toxic extremes too.

I would know as a gay person who's both seen and dealt with it. There definitely is such a thing as gay people behaving toxic towards each other within the context of homosexuality. It's like taking "YAAS QUEEN" to the extreme and pissing all over your peers to come out as the sassiest, most in-your-face unapologetic egomaniac who's actions scream "acts big to hide the emotional compensation".

It totally does exist, there's just not a commonly coined term for it.
Any gay person who struts around acting like top bitch towards everyone is typically a poster child for it...

So basically anyone whomsays "YAAASSS QUEEN."

I'm bisexual and have spent a lot of time in gay bars to know that the majority of the people who go to gay bars tend to be pretty toxic in a wide sense. At least, the more clubish gay bars. Not every gay bar is a dance club.
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BobanMarjanovic posted...

But what is an example of toxic femininity?

If you've ever worked somewhere with mostly women, you may have seen it. It's toxic cattism, being friendly to someone and talking shit about them as soon as they leave the room. Women shaming other women for how they do their makeup, stuff like that.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

BobanMarjanovic posted...

But what is an example of toxic femininity?

If you've ever worked somewhere with mostly women, you may have seen it. It's toxic cattism, being friendly to someone and talking shit about them as soon as they leave the room. Women shaming other women for how they do their makeup, stuff like that.

But that's just being a bitch. They aren't looked at differently by society for not acting that way.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

BobanMarjanovic posted...

But what is an example of toxic femininity?

If you've ever worked somewhere with mostly women, you may have seen it. It's toxic cattism, being friendly to someone and talking shit about them as soon as they leave the room. Women shaming other women for how they do their makeup, stuff like that.

Society doesnt shame women for NOT doing those things.
Big difference
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Master_Bass posted...

Of course it does.

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There are certainly negative aspects to the generalized definition of masculinity that negatively affect individuals and society. I think the term itself is often poorly defined and used maliciously by people with specific agendas. The most extreme of those agendas seem to treat masculinity as bad and femininity as good.

toxic behavior is real. toxic people are real. people's toxicity leaks out into OTHER shit, including warped perceptions of what masculinity is. that's why toxic masculinity is real.

dumb asses can't understand, the dissonant choose to not understand, the guilty will deflect to change the conversation and trolls are trolls.
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ChocoboMogALT posted...

NonDairyMiltank posted...

ChocoboMogALT posted...

Yes, men beat their boys because they don't act "manly."

so do many mothers

this is not an issue exclusively caused by actions of men
women contribute a lot to it too (mostly for their own benefit), especially in the west where single motherhood continues to rise

can't blame the men in the family for passin on ideas of toxic masculinity in cases where none of them were involved in the raising of that child...

sometimes momma did wrong
like if you really wanna take the topic of toxic masculinity seriously, that factor MUST be on the table too
othewise youre just blowin smoke

That's still toxic masculinity.

and many women also do their part in contributing to it on a daily basis

your first post i quoted made no mention that there are mothers also complicit in the continuance of toxic beliefs about masculinity
you worded it as if only fathers pass on abusive lessons to their sons, which is false
especially in the west where there's a rising trend of fatherless households
meaning only the mother is present giving primary parental direction for the children

you want to be accurate and act knowledgeable about the subject? you should have said "parents" from the beginning
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From what I'm getting from this topic: People are toxic and either find justifications to be toxic, or they exhibit toxic behaviors because of learned behaviors and don't know they are toxic. These things are not the same but the toxic person can claim either one and you can't truly know the difference. Either way in the end said toxic person is still being a toxic person whether they know it or not.

Now if this person is hurting you somehow, and you let them know they are hurting you and they still do it? Yup toxic person. There's alot of gray area, but if someone is knowingly hurting someone else with malicious intent, that is the definition of evil. So toxicity with intent=Evil
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