2(2+2) isn't math.

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Medussa 08/02/19 11:08:27 AM #1:	it's trolling designed to look like math. be better; don't fall for it. --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! So... what did we learn? <cite>Medussa posted [p:925519598] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>it's trolling designed to look like math. be better; don't fall for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 08/02/19 11:09:19 AM #2:	It's a pretty simple problem, they taught us order of operations in middle school --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:925519626] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>It's a pretty simple problem, they taught us order of operations in middle school </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBiggerWiggle 08/02/19 11:09:25 AM #3:	Its 16. --- I have trouble concentrating because I have 80HD. <cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted [p:925519630] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>Its 16.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobtuse 08/02/19 11:10:40 AM #4:	Agreed. It just exists so people who are familiar with Order of Operations can suck themselves off and act like they're smarter than those who don't. --- . <cite>bobtuse posted [p:925519678] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>Agreed. It just exists so people who are familiar with Order of Operations can suck themselves off and act like they're smarter than those who don't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 08/02/19 11:14:11 AM #5:	TheBiggerWiggle posted... Its 16. --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:925519796] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>TheBiggerWiggle posted... </cite> <quote>Its 16.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eevee-Trainer 08/02/19 11:14:58 AM #6:	Seriously. There's so much better stuff to argue about than this shit. 0.999... = 1 is at least legitimately interesting and an unintuitive result - if you're new to it - despite being a meme here. I'd rather see that than the billionth "ambiguous notation, go fight" troll attempt that everyone bites on because no one fucking learns. --- My Social Server, Eevee's Mystery Dungeon: https://discord.gg/bUSrfbf My PMD Rescue Server: https://discord.gg/TntEhnE <cite>Eevee-Trainer posted [p:925519829] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>Seriously. There's so much better stuff to argue about than this shit. 0.999... = 1 is at least legitimately interesting and an unintuitive result - if you're new to it - despite being a meme here. I'd rather see that than the billionth "ambiguous notation, go fight" troll attempt that everyone bites on because no one fucking learns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jpenny2 08/02/19 11:15:50 AM #7:	Imagine expecting a user on CE to not fall for trolling. --- Fren Code: 2767-3374-3343 \|\| IGN: Penny \|\| TSV: 3067 \|\| Sig NFT I hate sarcasm. I'm also not too fond of irony. \| Permanently banned <cite>jpenny2 posted [p:925519852] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>Imagine expecting a user on CE to not fall for trolling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CheekSqueak 08/02/19 11:16:35 AM #8:	Medussa posted... it's trolling we all know this but you HAD to make a topic about it...who's playing into it more? --- Let's be--toot ... Oh, sorry about that. <cite>CheekSqueak posted [p:925519878] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>Medussa posted...</cite> <quote>it's trolling</quote> we all know this but you HAD to make a topic about it...who's playing into it more?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EdgeMaster 08/02/19 11:18:40 AM #9:	TheBiggerWiggle posted... Its 16. Lol. bobtuse posted... Agreed. It just exists so people who are familiar with Order of Operations can suck themselves off and act like they're smarter than those who don't. Its so funny youd say this. Everyone with a 6th grade education or above should be familiar with order of operations. --- If you don't have anything nice to say, say it on the internet. ****poster Extraordinaire <cite>EdgeMaster posted [p:925519966] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>TheBiggerWiggle posted...</cite> <quote>Its 16.</quote> Lol. bobtuse posted...</cite> <quote>Agreed. It just exists so people who are familiar with Order of Operations can suck themselves off and act like they're smarter than those who don't.</quote> Its so funny youd say this. Everyone with a 6th grade education or above should be familiar with order of operations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 08/02/19 11:21:43 AM #10:	It's meant to fuck with people due to the slash mark. A lot of people envision the problem as the slash separating the numerator and denominator --- https://i.imgtc.com/e2dtpfR.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/oVB3sDe.jpg <cite>Doe posted [p:925520070] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>It's meant to fuck with people due to the slash mark. A lot of people envision the problem as the slash separating the numerator and denominator</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
action52 08/02/19 11:48:42 AM #11:	Doe posted... It's meant to fuck with people due to the slash mark. A lot of people envision the problem as the slash separating the numerator and denominator Yes, this is what threw me the first time I saw this. It's not that I don't know the order of operations, it's that I'm not used to seeing math problems written out that way. --- i am truley sorry for your lots <cite>action52 posted [p:925521092] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite> <quote>It's meant to fuck with people due to the slash mark. A lot of people envision the problem as the slash separating the numerator and denominator</quote>Yes, this is what threw me the first time I saw this. It's not that I don't know the order of operations, it's that I'm not used to seeing math problems written out that way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 08/02/19 12:20:07 PM #12:	i thought it was 10 :(. didn't get it right. --- The act of treachery is an art, but the traitor himself is a piece of **** - Mike Tyson <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:925522303] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>i thought it was 10 :(. didn't get it right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/02/19 12:31:38 PM #13:	EdgeMaster posted... TheBiggerWiggle posted... Its 16. Lol. bobtuse posted... Agreed. It just exists so people who are familiar with Order of Operations can suck themselves off and act like they're smarter than those who don't. Its so funny youd say this. Everyone with a 6th grade education or above should be familiar with order of operations. It's funny you say this, just after you laughed at someone who got the answer right. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925522742] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>EdgeMaster posted...</cite> <quote>TheBiggerWiggle posted...</cite> <quote>Its 16.</quote> Lol. bobtuse posted...</cite> <quote>Agreed. It just exists so people who are familiar with Order of Operations can suck themselves off and act like they're smarter than those who don't.</quote> Its so funny youd say this. Everyone with a 6th grade education or above should be familiar with order of operations.</quote> It's funny you say this, just after you laughed at someone who got the answer right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobtuse 08/02/19 1:04:28 PM #14:	OctilIery posted... It's funny you say this, just after you laughed at someone who got the answer right. lol gotem --- . <cite>bobtuse posted [p:925524080] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>It's funny you say this, just after you laughed at someone who got the answer right.</quote> lol gotem</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MTRodaba2468 08/02/19 1:15:04 PM #15:	bobtuse posted... Agreed. It just exists so people who are familiar with Order of Operations can suck themselves off and act like they're smarter than those who don't. Just a heads up, if you're claiming to not be familiar with the Order of Operations, you're implying that you've never been taught them, and since that stuff was taught in grade school and the younger middle school classes at the latest, you may be outing yourself as an underage user on the site. Just so you know... --- "You need a hobby. I suggest sticking forks in your eyes."-DJosef http://www.facebook.com/mtrunplugged <cite>MTRodaba2468 posted [p:925524520] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>bobtuse posted...</cite> <quote>Agreed. It just exists so people who are familiar with Order of Operations can suck themselves off and act like they're smarter than those who don't.</quote> Just a heads up, if you're claiming to not be familiar with the Order of Operations, you're implying that you've never been taught them, and since that stuff was taught in grade school and the younger middle school classes at the latest, you may be outing yourself as an underage user on the site. Just so you know...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendarylemur 08/02/19 1:18:56 PM #16:	Yeah you literally learn the order of operation either around when you learn multiplication or after you've also learned division. In fact I can't even freaking remember what grade that is because it was eons ago, but you learn it pretty damn quick. America worries me sometimes Actually when I was in Korea, I learned division at around 2nd grade or so? When I came here at 3rd grade I had to learn it again like a few years later and just coasted through Math. It's not that America sucks at Math, it's more like they're circularly driving themselves into a corner where they are bad at Math --- "Iwata was awesome" - Mr. Nintendo https://i.imgtc.com/7dRrfE1.jpg <cite>legendarylemur posted [p:925524697] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>Yeah you literally learn the order of operation either around when you learn multiplication or after you've also learned division. In fact I can't even freaking remember what grade that is because it was eons ago, but you learn it pretty damn quick. America worries me sometimes Actually when I was in Korea, I learned division at around 2nd grade or so? When I came here at 3rd grade I had to learn it again like a few years later and just coasted through Math. It's not that America sucks at Math, it's more like they're circularly driving themselves into a corner where they are bad at Math </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa 08/02/19 1:36:03 PM #17:	and... everyone missed the point. =( The answer to this isn't 1. it's also not 16. it's "rewrite your fraction to remove the ambiguity" this isn't an order of operations issue. the problem is with the slash. if that was a division sign, then great, PEMDAS away. but it's not. It's a solidus, making this an ambiguous fraction. it needs to be rewritten as either (8/2)(2+2) or 8/(2(2+2)). --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! So... what did we learn? <cite>Medussa posted [p:925525405] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>and... everyone missed the point. =( The answer to this isn't 1. it's also not 16. it's "rewrite your fraction to remove the ambiguity" this isn't an order of operations issue. the problem is with the slash. if that was a division sign, then great, PEMDAS away. but it's not. It's a solidus, making this an ambiguous fraction. it needs to be rewritten as either (8/2)(2+2) or 8/(2(2+2)).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 08/02/19 1:39:27 PM #18:	Medussa posted... The answer to this isn't 1. it's also not 16. it's "rewrite your fraction to remove the ambiguity" No, the answer is 16. "/" is divide first and foremost. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:925525546] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>Medussa posted...</cite> <quote>The answer to this isn't 1. it's also not 16. it's "rewrite your fraction to remove the ambiguity"</quote> No, the answer is 16. "/" is divide first and foremost.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CheekSqueak 08/02/19 1:45:01 PM #19:	ZMythos posted... Medussa posted... The answer to this isn't 1. it's also not 16. it's "rewrite your fraction to remove the ambiguity" No, the answer is 16. "/" is divide first and foremost. --- Let's be--toot ... Oh, sorry about that. <cite>CheekSqueak posted [p:925525795] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>Medussa posted...</cite> <quote>The answer to this isn't 1. it's also not 16. it's "rewrite your fraction to remove the ambiguity"</quote> No, the answer is 16. "/" is divide first and foremost.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnvoyOfTheLight 08/02/19 1:48:06 PM #20:	Medussa posted... and... everyone missed the point. =( The answer to this isn't 1. it's also not 16. it's "rewrite your fraction to remove the ambiguity" this isn't an order of operations issue. the problem is with the slash. if that was a division sign, then great, PEMDAS away. but it's not. It's a solidus, making this an ambiguous fraction. it needs to be rewritten as either (8/2)(2+2) or 8/(2(2+2)). Make no excuses for anyone who forgets their parentheses. --- I am The Light's Envoy, here to redeem you of your wicked ways! GuideGuideGuide is Evening_Dragon is Guide <cite>EnvoyOfTheLight posted [p:925525921] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>Medussa posted...</cite> <quote>and... everyone missed the point. =( The answer to this isn't 1. it's also not 16. it's "rewrite your fraction to remove the ambiguity" this isn't an order of operations issue. the problem is with the slash. if that was a division sign, then great, PEMDAS away. but it's not. It's a solidus, making this an ambiguous fraction. it needs to be rewritten as either (8/2)(2+2) or 8/(2(2+2)).</quote> Make no excuses for anyone who forgets their parentheses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendarylemur 08/02/19 1:48:59 PM #21:	It is ambiguous for sure, but it is still solvable by order of operation, just that some other places would interpret it in a different way. It necessarily "isn't math" more than ambiguous but solvable by human eyes. Not by something like Wolfram tho lul --- "Iwata was awesome" - Mr. Nintendo https://i.imgtc.com/7dRrfE1.jpg <cite>legendarylemur posted [p:925525963] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>It is ambiguous for sure, but it is still solvable by order of operation, just that some other places would interpret it in a different way. It necessarily "isn't math" more than ambiguous but solvable by human eyes. Not by something like Wolfram tho lul </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Verdekal 08/02/19 1:56:48 PM #23:	PEMDAS is a human created convenience anyway. Stupid, rigid rule following. --- Don't tease the octopus, kids! <cite>Verdekal posted [p:925526325] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>PEMDAS is a human created convenience anyway. Stupid, rigid rule following. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnvoyOfTheLight 08/02/19 2:06:20 PM #24:	Verdekal posted... PEMDAS is a human created convenience anyway. Stupid, rigid rule following. Sometimes 2+2 just feels like a 7, right? --- I am The Light's Envoy, here to redeem you of your wicked ways! GuideGuideGuide is Evening_Dragon is Guide <cite>EnvoyOfTheLight posted [p:925526754] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>Verdekal posted...</cite> <quote>PEMDAS is a human created convenience anyway. Stupid, rigid rule following. </quote> Sometimes 2+2 just feels like a 7, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 08/02/19 2:08:03 PM #25:	Isn't it 1? I think it's 1 --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:925526812] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>Isn't it 1? I think it's 1 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 08/02/19 2:11:34 PM #26:	bobtuse posted... Agreed. It just exists so people who are familiar with Order of Operations can suck themselves off and act like they're smarter than those who don't. Some people misunderstand the order of operations and think it is a strict sequence. I've seen people argue, very angrily, that the multiplication has to be done before the division. Or even arguing that you have to get rid of the parentheses first. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:925526983] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>bobtuse posted...</cite> <quote>Agreed. It just exists so people who are familiar with Order of Operations can suck themselves off and act like they're smarter than those who don't.</quote> Some people misunderstand the order of operations and think it is a strict sequence. I've seen people argue, very angrily, that the multiplication has to be done before the division. Or even arguing that you have to get rid of the parentheses first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobtuse 08/02/19 2:12:38 PM #27:	MTRodaba2468 posted... bobtuse posted... Agreed. It just exists so people who are familiar with Order of Operations can suck themselves off and act like they're smarter than those who don't. Just a heads up, if you're claiming to not be familiar with the Order of Operations, you're implying that you've never been taught them, and since that stuff was taught in grade school and the younger middle school classes at the latest, you may be outing yourself as an underage user on the site. Just so you know... I'm 31, and I also know order of operations. My point is that people are stupid to be patting themselves on the back for knowing this. --- . <cite>bobtuse posted [p:925527026] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>MTRodaba2468 posted...</cite> <quote>bobtuse posted...</cite> <quote>Agreed. It just exists so people who are familiar with Order of Operations can suck themselves off and act like they're smarter than those who don't.</quote> Just a heads up, if you're claiming to not be familiar with the Order of Operations, you're implying that you've never been taught them, and since that stuff was taught in grade school and the younger middle school classes at the latest, you may be outing yourself as an underage user on the site. Just so you know...</quote> I'm 31, and I also know order of operations. My point is that people are stupid to be patting themselves on the back for knowing this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andy113456 08/02/19 2:17:40 PM #28:	The issue here isn't knowing order of operations. The issue is bad formatting. So we have 8/2(2+2) Are we looking at: a. 8/2 * (2+2) b. 8 / 2(2+2) It's dumb. We all know we can solve either of these. --- https://imgur.com/a5n0cab https://imgur.com/P52BhGR <cite>andy113456 posted [p:925527204] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>The issue here isn't knowing order of operations. The issue is bad formatting. So we have 8/2(2+2) Are we looking at: a. 8/2 * (2+2) b. 8 / 2(2+2) It's dumb. We all know we can solve either of these.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 08/02/19 2:24:42 PM #29:	action52 posted... it's that I'm not used to seeing math problems written out that way. They're written like that all the time. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:925527501] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>action52 posted...</cite> <quote>it's that I'm not used to seeing math problems written out that way. </quote> They're written like that all the time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 08/02/19 2:25:48 PM #30:	legendarylemur posted... In fact I can't even freaking remember what grade that is because it was eons ago, but you learn it pretty damn quick. Third grade. Everybody here has no excuse. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:925527553] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>legendarylemur posted...</cite> <quote>In fact I can't even freaking remember what grade that is because it was eons ago, but you learn it pretty damn quick.</quote> Third grade. Everybody here has no excuse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 08/02/19 2:27:06 PM #31:	legendarylemur posted... In fact I can't even freaking remember what grade that is because it was eons ago, but you learn it pretty damn quick. Third grade. Everybody here has no excuse.andy113456 posted... Are we looking at: a. 8/2 * (2+2) b. 8 / 2(2+2) Those are the same thing. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:925527605] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>legendarylemur posted...</cite> <quote>In fact I can't even freaking remember what grade that is because it was eons ago, but you learn it pretty damn quick.</quote> Third grade. Everybody here has no excuse.andy113456 posted...</cite> <quote>Are we looking at: a. 8/2 * (2+2) b. 8 / 2(2+2)</quote> Those are the same thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andy113456 08/02/19 2:41:54 PM #33:	dave_is_slick posted... legendarylemur posted... In fact I can't even freaking remember what grade that is because it was eons ago, but you learn it pretty damn quick. Third grade. Everybody here has no excuse.andy113456 posted... Are we looking at: a. 8/2 * (2+2) b. 8 / 2(2+2) Those are the same thing. Wow, very insightful, thanks. --- https://imgur.com/a5n0cab https://imgur.com/P52BhGR <cite>andy113456 posted [p:925528284] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>legendarylemur posted...</cite> <quote>In fact I can't even freaking remember what grade that is because it was eons ago, but you learn it pretty damn quick.</quote> Third grade. Everybody here has no excuse.andy113456 posted...</cite> <quote>Are we looking at: a. 8/2 * (2+2) b. 8 / 2(2+2)</quote> Those are the same thing.</quote> Wow, very insightful, thanks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 08/02/19 2:42:11 PM #34:	i figured it out, it's 10. everyone else in response because it's wrong: --- The act of treachery is an art, but the traitor himself is a piece of **** - Mike Tyson <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:925528292] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>i figured it out, it's 10. everyone else in response because it's wrong: </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
action52 08/02/19 2:56:53 PM #35:	action52 posted... I'm not used to seeing math problems written out that way. dave_is_slick posted... They're written like that all the time. No, usually when a problem in math class is written horizontally they use the symbol. And while I certainly see the / symbol used online to indicate division, it's rare for me to see a series of different calculations written out on one line. When I think back on the times in school when a fraction symbol was used as part of a series of calculations, it would be a line that split it in half into a top and bottom that was treated separately. I can remember seeing both this: 82(2+2) and this: __8__ 2(2+2) But not this: 8/2(2+2) Seeing it in the fractional form made my brain picture the second one the first time I saw a problem like this online. This is what is happening to most people who get it wrong. It's not that we don't remember the order of operations, it's that we format it differently in our minds. --- i am truley sorry for your lots <cite>action52 posted [p:925528923] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>action52 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not used to seeing math problems written out that way.</quote> dave_is_slick posted... </cite> <quote>They're written like that all the time.</quote> No, usually when a problem in math class is written horizontally they use the symbol. And while I certainly see the / symbol used online to indicate division, it's rare for me to see a series of different calculations written out on one line. When I think back on the times in school when a fraction symbol was used as part of a series of calculations, it would be a line that split it in half into a top and bottom that was treated separately. I can remember seeing both this: 82(2+2) and this: __8__ 2(2+2) But not this: 8/2(2+2) Seeing it in the fractional form made my brain picture the second one the first time I saw a problem like this online. This is what is happening to most people who get it wrong. It's not that we don't remember the order of operations, it's that we format it differently in our minds. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 08/02/19 3:30:29 PM #36:	action52 posted... I can remember seeing both this: 82(2+2) and this: __8__ 2(2+2) But not this: 8/2(2+2) I saw nothing but the third one in school. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:925530347] in because pe... [t:77909202]...</cite> <quote>action52 posted...</cite> <quote>I can remember seeing both this: 82(2+2) and this: __8__ 2(2+2) But not this: 8/2(2+2)</quote> I saw nothing but the third one in school.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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