Current Events > I don't like this militarization of the police.

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Noticed this during ABC's broadcast of El Paso Walmart shooting that happened today:
https://imgur.com/Hpuk4rC
https://imgur.com/d6OCNJ1

What the shit? It looks like a warzone. Is all that military gear necessary for the police?
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Military surplus. Police get it cheap, and honestly, nowadays at least they kinda have good reason to have it.
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They get the military surplus they have for years now
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Yes, they do need a response team with better gear than normal police.

Malcrasternus posted...

Military surplus. Police get it cheap, and honestly, nowadays at least they kinda have good reason to have it.

No they don't.

Muten_Jiren posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

Military surplus. Police get it cheap, and honestly, nowadays at least they kinda have good reason to have it.

No they don't.

They really do, as these mass shootings show.

Malcrasternus posted...

Military surplus. Police get it cheap, and honestly, nowadays at least they kinda have good reason to have it.

In the 50s, it wasn't really out of the ordinary for the police to have a sherman tank.

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

Military surplus. Police get it cheap, and honestly, nowadays at least they kinda have good reason to have it.

No they don't.

They really do, as these mass shootings show.

They really don't, mass shootings have nothing to with it, unless you want to address the overwhelming obsession with violent control US culture is weighed down by, in which case the correct reaction would be the exact opposite of what you're suggesting

"How do we stop the bleeding?"
"Cut deeper"
Lolno

Heavy police militarization has been going on since at least the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan. All part of the GOPs plan.

eventually they have to believe americans will revolt they will probably need that equipment
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Muten_Jiren posted...

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

Military surplus. Police get it cheap, and honestly, nowadays at least they kinda have good reason to have it.

No they don't.

They really do, as these mass shootings show.

They really don't, mass shootings have nothing to with it, unless you want to address the overwhelming obsession with violent control US culture is weighed down by, in which case the correct reaction would be the exact opposite of what you're suggesting

"How do we stop the bleeding?"
"Cut deeper"
Lolno

Sorry but as long as there are regular events like this police need the ability to defend themselves properly.

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

Military surplus. Police get it cheap, and honestly, nowadays at least they kinda have good reason to have it.

No they don't.

They really do, as these mass shootings show.

They really don't, mass shootings have nothing to with it, unless you want to address the overwhelming obsession with violent control US culture is weighed down by, in which case the correct reaction would be the exact opposite of what you're suggesting

"How do we stop the bleeding?"
"Cut deeper"
Lolno

Sorry but as long as there are regular events like this police need the ability to defend themselves properly.

*Republicans perpetuate extreme gun culture*
*Republicans encourage far right extremists*
*A far right extremist attack occurs!* (shocked Pikachu face)

Herp derp sorry guys as long as these things are going on were gonna have to continue militarizing our police to a ridiculous extreme

ZeroKelvin posted...

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

Military surplus. Police get it cheap, and honestly, nowadays at least they kinda have good reason to have it.

No they don't.

They really do, as these mass shootings show.

They really don't, mass shootings have nothing to with it, unless you want to address the overwhelming obsession with violent control US culture is weighed down by, in which case the correct reaction would be the exact opposite of what you're suggesting

"How do we stop the bleeding?"
"Cut deeper"
Lolno

Sorry but as long as there are regular events like this police need the ability to defend themselves properly.

*Republicans perpetuate extreme gun culture*
*Republicans encourage far right extremists*
*A far right extremist attack occurs!* (shocked Pikachu face)

Herp derp sorry guys as long as these things are going on were gonna have to continue militarizing our police to a ridiculous extreme

They aren't doing it to a ridiculous extreme. Police showing up like that to a mass shooting isn't ridiculous.

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

Military surplus. Police get it cheap, and honestly, nowadays at least they kinda have good reason to have it.

No they don't.

They really do, as these mass shootings show.

They really don't, mass shootings have nothing to with it, unless you want to address the overwhelming obsession with violent control US culture is weighed down by, in which case the correct reaction would be the exact opposite of what you're suggesting

"How do we stop the bleeding?"
"Cut deeper"
Lolno

Sorry but as long as there are regular events like this police need the ability to defend themselves properly.

You're not fucking sorry

Muten_Jiren posted...

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

Military surplus. Police get it cheap, and honestly, nowadays at least they kinda have good reason to have it.

No they don't.

They really do, as these mass shootings show.

They really don't, mass shootings have nothing to with it, unless you want to address the overwhelming obsession with violent control US culture is weighed down by, in which case the correct reaction would be the exact opposite of what you're suggesting

"How do we stop the bleeding?"
"Cut deeper"
Lolno

Sorry but as long as there are regular events like this police need the ability to defend themselves properly.

You're not fucking sorry

I have nothing to be sorry for.

Yes, when you have folks who give up their humanity and toss literal but crude firebombs at detention centers and shoot up random places, you need that military arsenal.
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OctilIery posted...

ZeroKelvin posted...

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

Military surplus. Police get it cheap, and honestly, nowadays at least they kinda have good reason to have it.

No they don't.

They really do, as these mass shootings show.

They really don't, mass shootings have nothing to with it, unless you want to address the overwhelming obsession with violent control US culture is weighed down by, in which case the correct reaction would be the exact opposite of what you're suggesting

"How do we stop the bleeding?"
"Cut deeper"
Lolno

Sorry but as long as there are regular events like this police need the ability to defend themselves properly.

*Republicans perpetuate extreme gun culture*
*Republicans encourage far right extremists*
*A far right extremist attack occurs!* (shocked Pikachu face)

Herp derp sorry guys as long as these things are going on were gonna have to continue militarizing our police to a ridiculous extreme

They aren't doing it to a ridiculous extreme. Police showing up like that to a mass shooting isn't ridiculous.

Sorry but youre wrong, militarization of American police is occurring at an extreme degree - especially when compared to other civilized nations. Funny how other first world countries dont have to worry about routinely rolling out a militarized police force for events like this... why do you think that is @OctilIery?

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

Military surplus. Police get it cheap, and honestly, nowadays at least they kinda have good reason to have it.

No they don't.

They really do, as these mass shootings show.

They really don't, mass shootings have nothing to with it, unless you want to address the overwhelming obsession with violent control US culture is weighed down by, in which case the correct reaction would be the exact opposite of what you're suggesting

"How do we stop the bleeding?"
"Cut deeper"
Lolno

Sorry but as long as there are regular events like this police need the ability to defend themselves properly.

statistically, convenience store cashiers are in more danger while on the job than police officers. I also do not think that they need military gear.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

The North Hollywood shootout was a confrontation between two heavily armed and armored bank robbers, Larry Phillips Jr. and Emil Matasareanu, and members of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) in the North Hollywood district of Los Angeles, California, on February 28, 1997. Both robbers were killed, twelve police officers and eight civilians were injured, and numerous vehicles and other property were damaged or destroyed by the nearly 2,000 rounds of ammunition fired by the robbers and police

This was the incident that made Police realize they need to be better equipped then the common foe.

These two bank robbers were fully armed, had full body armor, illegally modified Full Automatic weapons, and the local police were so under powered that they had to go to a nearby gun shop to get upgrade weapons to fight them.

Police Stations Nation-wide realized that they shouldn't have to be put in a situation where they were less equipped to face the criminals, ergo the full arming of every cop ever.

And guess what, in the future where we have Drones, Androids, and Metropolitan wide CCTV surveilance via Blimps; you won't get a choice in the matter.

Imagine a future where literally every street has armed androids patrolling.

For every 1x Human Police officer can come with 5x armed Police Androids and a Android Police car with multiple flying drone coverage over an area.

Criminals will fear the day they cross the line and will suffer.

Sorry, that's the future that's coming, and you and nobody else will be able to stop it.
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averagejoel posted...

statistically, convenience store cashiers are in more danger while on the job than police officers. I also do not think that they need military gear.

If you want to live from a armed robbery incident, you better be armed.
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I doubt the military gear will ever be standard equipment for patrolmen. You do need a heavily armed unit to respond to situations like this. SWAT teams have always been heavily armed.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

averagejoel posted...

statistically, convenience store cashiers are in more danger while on the job than police officers. I also do not think that they need military gear.

If you want to live from a armed robbery incident, you better be armed.

so you support the militarization of... *checks notes* 7-11 workers?
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scorpion41 posted...

I doubt the military gear will ever be standard equipment for patrolmen. You do need a heavily armed unit to respond to situations like this. SWAT teams have always been heavily armed.

Evey cop in my city has their AR-15 nearby on their vehicle and a shotgun ready.

They all wear body armor underneath their uniform.
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averagejoel posted...

so you support the militarization of... *checks notes* 7-11 workers?

If they are a law abiding citizen, they should be able to exercise their 2A rights. Wear that body armor, have the gun ready to go.
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FFS you would get a similar police response in other countries should a mass shooting like this occur. That gear is not normal everyday patrol gear.
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SpudForce posted...

FFS you would get a similar police response in other countries should a mass shooting like this occur. That gear is not normal everyday patrol gear.

Other than the helmet, the rest of it is standard equipment for cops in my area.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

scorpion41 posted...

I doubt the military gear will ever be standard equipment for patrolmen. You do need a heavily armed unit to respond to situations like this. SWAT teams have always been heavily armed.

Evey cop in my city has their AR-15 nearby on their vehicle and a shotgun ready.

They all wear body armor underneath their uniform.

A semi-auto rifle, a shotgun, and a vest hardly holds a candle to full body armor, automatic weapons, and flashbangs...not to mention the tactics used by specialty units.
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scorpion41 posted...

A semi-auto rifle, a shotgun, and a vest hardly holds a candle to full body armor, automatic weapons, and flashbangs...not to mention the tactics used by specialty units.

Give it time till the average officer is all required to participate in SWAT level training and every cop will be SWAT level capable.
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averagejoel posted...

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

Military surplus. Police get it cheap, and honestly, nowadays at least they kinda have good reason to have it.

No they don't.

They really do, as these mass shootings show.

They really don't, mass shootings have nothing to with it, unless you want to address the overwhelming obsession with violent control US culture is weighed down by, in which case the correct reaction would be the exact opposite of what you're suggesting

"How do we stop the bleeding?"
"Cut deeper"
Lolno

Sorry but as long as there are regular events like this police need the ability to defend themselves properly.

statistically, convenience store cashiers are in more danger while on the job than police officers. I also do not think that they need military gear.

I wish. I owned a liquor store for years and we got robbed at gun point, machete point, knife point, fights with meth heads. etc.
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IdiotMachine posted...

What the shit? It looks like a warzone. Is all that military gear necessary for the police?

Well, it's a SWAT team, so... Yeah, kind of.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

scorpion41 posted...

A semi-auto rifle, a shotgun, and a vest hardly holds a candle to full body armor, automatic weapons, and flashbangs...not to mention the tactics used by specialty units.

Give it time till the average officer is all required to participate in SWAT level training and every cop will be SWAT level capable.

Lol no. Requiring SWAT training would cut the size of the available police force in half. No way theyd make it mandatory.
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scorpion41 posted...

Lol no. Requiring SWAT training would cut the size of the available police force in half. No way theyd make it mandatory.

Like I said, it will be gradually phased in as part of core competency and every average officer will be trained in the tactics / handling capabilities.

They obviously don't want to deplete their ranks from daily duties, ergo it's going to be very gradual training of individual officers.
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averagejoel posted...

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

OctilIery posted...

Muten_Jiren posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

Military surplus. Police get it cheap, and honestly, nowadays at least they kinda have good reason to have it.

No they don't.

They really do, as these mass shootings show.

They really don't, mass shootings have nothing to with it, unless you want to address the overwhelming obsession with violent control US culture is weighed down by, in which case the correct reaction would be the exact opposite of what you're suggesting

"How do we stop the bleeding?"
"Cut deeper"
Lolno

Sorry but as long as there are regular events like this police need the ability to defend themselves properly.

statistically, convenience store cashiers are in more danger while on the job than police officers. I also do not think that they need military gear.

I'm not talking about everyday police work, I'm talking about having these available for when major events DO happen.

Sorry but youre wrong, militarization of American police is occurring at an extreme degree - especially when compared to other civilized nations. Funny how other first world countries dont have to worry about routinely rolling out a militarized police force for events like this... why do you think that is @OctilIery?

Probably because other first world countries don't have to worry about routinely responding to mass shootings and other such terrorist attacks. And hey, when they do their police are usually geared similarly.

Of all the problems our police actually have, this isn't one.

KamenRiderBlade posted...

scorpion41 posted...

Lol no. Requiring SWAT training would cut the size of the available police force in half. No way theyd make it mandatory.

Like I said, it will be gradually phased in as part of core competency and every average officer will be trained in the tactics / handling capabilities.

They obviously don't want to deplete their ranks from daily duties, ergo it's going to be very gradual training of individual officers.

Most officers arent SWAT capable. Just like most of the military arent special forces capable. Regardless of how you integrate it you will reduce the number of patrolmen.
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It's very rare that I find myself agreeing with Octillery, but he's right. Just because something's rare doesn't mean you shouldn't be ready for it. Case in point: First Aid kits. No one wants to need a first aid kit and you probably won't ever use most of the stuff in one, but it's better to have and not need, than need and wish you had it.
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scorpion41 posted...

Most officers arent SWAT capable. Just like most of the military arent special forces capable. Regardless of how you integrate it you will reduce the number of patrolmen.

The one's that are capable will probably be first in line for training.
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Crazyman93 posted...

It's very rare that I find myself agreeing with Octillery, but he's right. Just because something's rare doesn't mean you shouldn't be ready for it. Case in point: First Aid kits. No one wants to need a first aid kit and you probably won't ever use most of the stuff in one, but it's better to have and not need, than need and wish you had it.

You can say the same about most things.

The # of time's that a seat belt has saved my life in a car accident vs not needing it due to me driving safely.

I've maybe had to rely on the "SeatBelt" a grand total of 2-3 times in my life.

I've probably driven over 10,000 hrs over 15+ years by now.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Crazyman93 posted...

It's very rare that I find myself agreeing with Octillery, but he's right. Just because something's rare doesn't mean you shouldn't be ready for it. Case in point: First Aid kits. No one wants to need a first aid kit and you probably won't ever use most of the stuff in one, but it's better to have and not need, than need and wish you had it.

You can say the same about most things.

The # of time's that a seat belt has saved my life in a car accident vs not needing it due to me driving safely.

I've maybe had to rely on the "SeatBelt" a grand total of 2-3 times in my life.

I've probably driven over 10,000 hrs over 15+ years by now.

True, but I like the first aid kit or fire extinguisher analogy. Most people don't even think about seat belts anymroe, but you have to actually go out and buy a first aid kit.
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Crazyman93 posted...

True, but I like the first aid kit or fire extinguisher analogy. Most people don't even think about seat belts anymroe, but you have to actually go out and buy a first aid kit.

True, but I still have to remind plenty of people to "Buckle Up".
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Crazyman93 posted...

True, but I like the first aid kit or fire extinguisher analogy. Most people don't even think about seat belts anymroe, but you have to actually go out and buy a first aid kit.

True, but I still have to remind plenty of people to "Buckle Up".

Fair enough I suppose. I guess part of it was the last time I needed a first aid kit I didn't have one so it's ingrained as a "perfect" example from experience.
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Crazyman93 posted...

Fair enough I suppose. I guess part of it was the last time I needed a first aid kit I didn't have one so it's ingrained as a "perfect" example from experience.

I have "First Aid Kits" stashed in all my vehicles and around the house.

So I'm "Prepared" relatively.

The only place I don't have a First-Aid kit is on my person.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Crazyman93 posted...

True, but I like the first aid kit or fire extinguisher analogy. Most people don't even think about seat belts anymroe, but you have to actually go out and buy a first aid kit.

True, but I still have to remind plenty of people to "Buckle Up".

7 month pregnant friend recently got thrown from a car in a wreck, only had minor injuries thank God. Was a good reminder.

KamenRiderBlade posted...

Crazyman93 posted...

Fair enough I suppose. I guess part of it was the last time I needed a first aid kit I didn't have one so it's ingrained as a "perfect" example from experience.

I have "First Aid Kits" stashed in all my vehicles and around the house.

So I'm "Prepared" relatively.

The only place I don't have a First-Aid kit is on my person.

Same. I carry one on my bag that I use for going to work. Which at the time I'd forgotten I had. Instead I was in the bathroom cursing my mother for never bothering to keep basic first aid stuff stocked.
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OctilIery posted...

7 month pregnant friend recently got thrown from a car in a wreck, only had minor injuries thank God. Was a good reminder.

She got very lucky.
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Why do you people constantly engage sub 100 karma alts that turn every topic about a tragedy into a pit filled with shit? Seriously, you're worse than they are.
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omega cookie posted...

Why do you people constantly engage sub 100 karma alts that turn every topic about a tragedy into a pit filled with shit? Seriously, you're worse than they are.

Do you check the Karma of every poster?
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

omega cookie posted...

Why do you people constantly engage sub 100 karma alts that turn every topic about a tragedy into a pit filled with shit? Seriously, you're worse than they are.

Do you check the Karma of every poster?

Nope, but if I see someone posting incredibly obvious bait, I guess it's an alt, click their name, and I'm almost always right.

Of course, I guess someone would have to be smart enough to recognize obvious and blatant bait, so I guess my system won't work for most of the people here.
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omega cookie posted...

Nope, but if I see someone posting incredibly obvious bait, I guess it's an alt, click their name, and I'm almost always right.

Of course, I guess someone would have to be smart enough to recognize obvious and blatant bait, so I guess my system won't work for most of the people here.

I just don't care, I'll respond to people when I feel like it, however I feel like it.

I've never bothered checking Karma before hand.
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