Current Events > Multiple people shot in Dayton, Ohio; shooter reportedly down

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There's a reason we don't send troops into battle armed only with knives. Yes, those willing to kill will find alternative methods to use, but those methods will be more inefficient and less deadly.

Ditto with suicides, I should note.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

So Japan has one attack while the US several has several mass shootings a year.

Not a fair comparsion and I can't say I expected anything else from you.

Again, conflating the tool and methodolgies with the true issues, sick individuals who are driven to the extreme to hurt others.

But I can't say I expected anything else from you.

Always with a shallow analysis of the real issues at hand.

A literal "no you" defense. How cute.
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Antifar posted...

There's a reason we don't send troops into battle armed only with knives. Yes, those willing to kill will find alternative methods to use, but those methods will be more inefficient and less deadly.

Ditto with suicides, I should note.

Suicide is a individual issue. And we really need to legalize suicide centers to allow legal self Euthanasia for those who don't want to be part of society.

And there would be less targets of opportunity if we had more armed security in places where there is a high congregation of people.

That involves legislation that would force those areas to have security patrolling.
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Tmaster148 posted...

A literal "no you" defense. How cute.

A wit-less retort, how cute.
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It's really funny how you have to copy me.
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

KamenRiderBlade posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

So in a crowded situation, lets say 10 people pull out a gun. How are you supposed go know who is the mass shooter

Anybody who is law abiding will know to get out of the way and let the cops do their job. Otherwise, those who have a CCW will generally do what they can to get to safety if they aren't engaged with the shooter.

If you aren't part of the fire fight, GTFO.

Remind me what happened again to the citizen with a gun in Alabama that apprehended an armed suspect about to go on a shooting spree

Thank you. I was trying to remember which state but I was googling Mississippi

Tmaster148 posted...

It's really funny how you have to copy me.

Nothings funny when you have stale material to begin with.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

You can tell the only thing gun nuts want is the fantasy of stopping a mass shooting and be hero and not actually preventing mass shootings.

Nobody wants to be there if a mass shooting happens, it's a obligation to do so if you can though.

And if you want to prevent mass shootings, solve the mental issue first.

Only somebody with a sick & deranged mind goes out to actually hurt people.

You would think Japan would be safe, but they suffered at the hands of a sick person:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Animation_arson_attack
on July 18, 2019: 35 dead, 33 injured and the tally isn't final on that.

The perpetrator thought he was wronged by Kyoto Animation who stole his light novel idea. The funny thing is that he never summited his story idea into any light novel competition held by Kyoto Animation. He felt that he was wronged by a company that had no involvement with him what so ever.

So he took 10.5 gals of gasoline, a convenience store lighter, and decided to set the entire animation facility ablaze murdering 35, injuring 33.

All it takes is a sick person to execute their attacks, the methodology really doens't matter.

Anything can be used as a weapon in modern society.

But how many arson attacks have there been? I don't think anybody is saying decreasing guns will eliminate these mass attacks, but I don't think a guy with gas would have been able to set a whole mall on fire (or school) AND trap everybody inside.

As for your CC user argument - are you saying if you have a CCW, you should get out of the way? or you should engage the shooter to buy time?

Ruvan22 posted...

ut how many arson attacks have there been? I don't think anybody is saying decreasing guns will eliminate these mass attacks, but I don't think a guy with gas would have been able to set a whole mall on fire (or school) AND trap everybody inside.

As for your CC user argument - are you saying if you have a CCW, you should get out of the way? or you should engage the shooter to buy time?

The point is that a deranged person will use "ANY methodology" they can think of to enact their sick fantasies. Smarter cookies will just be more effective in coming up with a solution.

As for CCW people, it's all situational. If the target isn't being engaged and you can ID the perp as the shooter clearly, then engage. If you can't ID the perp, then GTFO, no need to create a false target to the public. Use clear & best judgement you have at that point in time.
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Nothing will happen till the family member of a high ranking NRA member or a politician gets killed. Then maybe something will be considered to mention at some point

rodu_jr posted...

Nothing will happen till the family member of a high ranking NRA member or a politician gets killed. Then maybe something will be considered to mention at some point

The NRA was literally involved with the bump stock ban that passed recently. The NRA doesn't defend the 2nd anymore.
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Bat178 posted...

The AR-15 is cheap and easy to customize, not to mention the military uses variants of it.

The AR-15 is literally just a stripped down M16 for civilian use.

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The gunman in a mass shooting in Dayton, Ohio has been identified as Connor Betts, 24, according to local and federal law enforcement sources.

FBI and local law enforcement authorities have served a search warrant at the shooters family home in Bellbrook, Ohio.

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1158043802499764225?s=19
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Hairistotle posted...

rodu_jr posted...

Nothing will happen till the family member of a high ranking NRA member or a politician gets killed. Then maybe something will be considered to mention at some point

Republicans and the NRA dont give a shit as long as they keep getting their russian millions

To my knowledge, besides the Clinton 1994 AWB(which sunsetted) it has been some form of Republican leader that enacted more gun control on a national level. Trump/NRA with the bump stock ban, and Reagan with the machine gun ban in 86.
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Hairistotle posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

To my knowledge, besides the Clinton 1994 AWB(which sunsetted) it has been some form of Republican leader that enacted more gun control on a national level. Trump/NRA with the bump stock ban, and Reagan with the machine gun ban in 86.

anything short of banning all guns aside from single and double shot guns is useless and im not going to pat republicans on the back for doing nothing

that would also be absolutely fucking stupid

Shooters Facebook, no big surprises here:


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DarthAragorn posted...

Hairistotle posted...

Malcrasternus posted...

To my knowledge, besides the Clinton 1994 AWB(which sunsetted) it has been some form of Republican leader that enacted more gun control on a national level. Trump/NRA with the bump stock ban, and Reagan with the machine gun ban in 86.

anything short of banning all guns aside from single and double shot guns is useless and im not going to pat republicans on the back for doing nothing

that would also be absolutely fucking stupid

I mean, I was going to be nicer about it, but.
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Sick of all these crazy fuckers being emboldened by our President.

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This is a mental health problem not a gun problem.

What kind of sick fuck thinks mass shootings is the solution to anything. You kill random people for no good reason and your own life from that point forward is basically a slow torture/death as you move through the court/prison system for the rest of your life.

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REMercsChamp posted...

This is a mental health problem not a gun problem.

What kind of sick fuck thinks mass shootings is the solution to anything. You kill random people for no good reason and your own life from that point forward is basically a slow torture/death as you move through the court/prison system for the rest of your life.

Not like the mentally ill have ant issues getting guns.

But nope mah freedom sticks and America not knowing what the word amendment actually means are not the problem.
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I wonder how many of mass shooters were medicated in some way, i.e. Anti-depressants, opioids, etc.
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MrToothHasYou posted...

Shooters Facebook, no big surprises here:

better blame antifa and video games
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EnterTheTekken posted...

I wonder how many of mass shooters were medicated in some way, i.e. Anti-depressants, opioids, etc.

really wonderful to attempt to spread an already pervasive stigma

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EnterTheTekken posted...

I wonder how many of mass shooters were medicated in some way, i.e. Anti-depressants, opioids, etc.

You're missing the forest for the trees

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Paper_Okami posted...

EnterTheTekken posted...

I wonder how many of mass shooters were medicated in some way, i.e. Anti-depressants, opioids, etc.

really wonderful to attempt to spread an already pervasive stigma

Well if there is a common thread, it bears some form of investigation, yes?
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And what evidence do you have that it is a common thread?
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spikethedevil posted...

And what evidence do you have that it is a common thread?

I have 0. I'm inquiring.
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EnterTheTekken posted...

Well if there is a common thread, it bears some form of investigation, yes?

And why might people be on prescribed drugs?

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As far as we no 0 as they have never mentioned it.
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People on TD saying he's a leftist with a few nationalist ideas and calling neonazis a centre-left ideology. Oh, and the problem is that these people have forgotten Jesus and family values and togetherness within one's own race and culture, which is causing the isolation.

I don't even know why I look at their reactions cause it just makes me lose more faith in humanity
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"This is a mental health problem"

This keeps being said for the past decade and nothing has been done about mental health either. At the end of the day it's just a fucking American problem. Mental health, gun culture, racism, all of it.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

"This is a mental health problem"

This keeps being said for the past decade and nothing has been done about mental health either. At the end of the day it's just a fucking American problem. Mental health, gun culture, racism, all of it.

It's the perfect storm. Every country has a mental health problem, most countries have a racism problem to some extent, but none of them have it combined with such a problematic gun culture.
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How many fatalities?

Lyrica posted...

How many fatalities?

9 confirmed and 27 injured
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Hairistotle posted...

no other countries use medicine. it's gotta be the medicine. yep.

I dont think it necessarily stigmatizes mental healthcare to look for connections between mass shooters and mental health. A lot of tragedies could be avoided by ensuring that people who need mental health treatment receive it properly.

Case in point: my hometown was about a hairs breadth away from being a national headline. A older guy was acting erratic at a Dollar General store, and a True Value store across the street from it. Cops were called, he ended up pulling a gun on the cops and a local cop show him dead in the parking lot. This is a tiny town mind you, there are like 3-4 officers total on the local force.

Details start coming out and its like it came from a damn script: dude was a military veteran, PTSD, had been off his medication for two weeks, was taken by State Police to a psychiatric hospital at the request of his wife on a 302 (involuntary committal) THREE DAYS before the incident that took his life. He was supposed to be kept for a 72 hour watch period but the hospital released him after 6.

There were SO. MANY. POINTS. Where this dude could have been helped, someone could have intervened, and he would still be alive. And if the cops hadnt been called and arrived when they did? If something else had set him off? He could have easily killed innocent people. It almost happened.

Refusing to look at mental health (and the lack of treatment available in the US) is only going to worsen the problem of random, mass violence.

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White communities really need to start policing themselves.

Oh_Boy_ posted...

White communities really need to start policing themselves.

The police neutralized the shooter within a minute of the first shots being fired.
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Funbazooka posted...

Oh_Boy_ posted...

White communities really need to start policing themselves.

The police neutralized the shooter within a minute of the first shots being fired.

They're poking fun at the idea that black communities need to police themselves to stop extremists and criminals rising from within them in the first place, which lots of people believe.
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White House sanctioned local terrorism.

Trump needs to be impeached ASAP!!!

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

ut how many arson attacks have there been? I don't think anybody is saying decreasing guns will eliminate these mass attacks, but I don't think a guy with gas would have been able to set a whole mall on fire (or school) AND trap everybody inside.

As for your CC user argument - are you saying if you have a CCW, you should get out of the way? or you should engage the shooter to buy time?

The point is that a deranged person will use "ANY methodology" they can think of to enact their sick fantasies. Smarter cookies will just be more effective in coming up with a solution.

As for CCW people, it's all situational. If the target isn't being engaged and you can ID the perp as the shooter clearly, then engage. If you can't ID the perp, then GTFO, no need to create a false target to the public. Use clear & best judgement you have at that point in time.

So you agree that some methodolgies are more effective (more deadly) than others? And therefore limiting some methodologies (like we don't allow average citizens to own nuclear weapons) is a good thing?

For CCW - that's a LOT of situational context and decisions to make - are they taught/required before you get a CCW? Seems even trained police have trouble with some of the decisions...

EnterTheTekken posted...

I wonder how many of mass shooters were medicated in some way, i.e. Anti-depressants, opioids, etc.

Do you know any that were? Columbine, Sand Hook, and New Zealand weren't off the top of my head

Ruvan22 posted...

So you agree that some methodolgies are more effective (more deadly) than others? And therefore limiting some methodologies (like we don't allow average citizens to own nuclear weapons) is a good thing?

For CCW - that's a LOT of situational context and decisions to make - are they taught/required before you get a CCW? Seems even trained police have trouble with some of the decisions...

Nuclear Weapons is such a BS comparison, that's literally a weapon designed to fight countries.

There's no practical use for a nuke on defending your home, your person, your friends, the general public.

Literally there is a category called "Small Arms" that's designed for person to person usage.

That's what was used by our Fore Fathers, that's where we stick to.

Any "Arms" category larger than "Small Arms" should be a tool of the Nation State.
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Did somebody unironically use the nuclear suitcase argument?

Pathetic.
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kingdrake2 posted...

not sure what you want out of this

no mass shooting
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Ruvan22 posted...

Do you know any that were? Columbine, Sand Hook, and New Zealand weren't off the top of my head

Eric Harris was on Luvox. Klebold was reportedly on Paxil and Zoloft.

Sandy Hook shooter reportedly had aspergers and had no treatment. The FBI said he couldve been categorized as a pedophile and was delusional. He thought he was saving the children by killing them.

Mental health issues. Either they get treated with drugs with side effects that make things worse, or they dont get treated at all and thanks to a poor upbringing and poor firearm security of the guys mom, he was able to acquire the guns.

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