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Dancedreamer
08/14/19 5:56:48 PM
#351:


Jakyl25 posted...
Do Christians believe God created a world where we all raped each other before he had us write about his rules? That seems like an oversight on his part.


Well many of them DO believe that God created one man and one woman, who then had 3 sons. So going by that, either Eve would've had to mate with her sons -- or they had unnamed daughters who mated with their brothers. Then years later God decides to do it again and kills everyone except Noah and his three sons and their wives. Then there's Lot's daughters who get him drunk and have sex with him.
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Jakyl25
08/14/19 6:12:26 PM
#352:


Well yeah I get the incest acceptance
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kevwaffles
08/14/19 6:25:31 PM
#353:


Yeah, setting aside how literal interpretations of the Bible are fucking stupid and how other events in human history must have occurred that the Bible didn't chronicle even if everything in the Bible did happen, under a strict literal interpretation incest sort of had to happen. Pretty sure God never said that it was a good thing to keep doing that, though.

Adding rape into it is just as confounding as it is appalling, though. Does he think there is a point in time where every woman on Earth said no to every man on Earth?
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Peace___Frog
08/14/19 6:37:41 PM
#354:


Given that every woman he's ever tried to be with has said no to him, he probably thinks it's normal.
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Jakyl25
08/14/19 7:37:54 PM
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Nrrr
08/14/19 8:47:00 PM
#356:


Love to place all of our hopes on the left wing party that loves amazon, google, and the FBI more than organized labor.

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Reg
08/14/19 8:59:07 PM
#357:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/1161665542404501505?s=21

Democrats are stupid

As we're all very painfully aware
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Suprak the Stud
08/14/19 11:59:18 PM
#358:


https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/14/politics/hickenlooper-presidential-campaign/index.html

Still plenty of time for him to get that easy senate layup seat!
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HeroicSpiderPig
08/15/19 1:14:47 AM
#359:


If labor unions wanted a leftist Democratic Party they should have actually supported the most leftist candidate the Democrats ran, or not mobilized their members to attack war protesters around the same time.
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LordoftheMorons
08/15/19 1:49:18 AM
#360:


Suprak the Stud posted...
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/14/politics/hickenlooper-presidential-campaign/index.html

Still plenty of time for him to get that easy senate layup seat!
That's good
I like Hickenlooper, but he had no chance in hell of becoming president and would be a welcome upgrade from Gardner in the Senate.

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Suprak the Stud
08/15/19 2:35:50 AM
#361:


I like Hickenlooper just fine too. But like you said, he's wasting his time in this race and would beat Gardner by 10+ points in the senate race.
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GuessMyUserName
08/15/19 2:43:35 AM
#362:


i hate hickenlooper but i'm glad he's finally listening to the calls for senate candidates

hopefully nobody pulls out the clips of him talking about the senate as a miserable job for him
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Suprak the Stud
08/15/19 2:58:23 AM
#363:


It won't matter even if they did imo. He's extremely popular in Colorado and Gardner would lose to even a bad candidate there. Hickenlooper would just make it embarrassing.
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ChaosTonyV4
08/15/19 8:07:13 AM
#364:


https://thehill.com/homenews/news/457504-report-epstein-autopsy-finds-several-broken-bones-in-neck-deepens-mystery

Among the broken bones was the hyoid bone, near Epsteins Adams apple. Such breaks can occur when someone hangs themselves, forensics experts told The Post, but they are more often associated with homicide victims who died by strangulation

*speculation intensifies*
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kevwaffles
08/15/19 8:22:53 AM
#365:


kevwaffles posted...
The official report hasn't been released yet. While I have no reason to doubt it myself, it's funny how people who rail against anonymous sources will suddenly trust them implicitly the second it can fit their narrative.

Saying he had "broken bones" by itself is meaningless. Hanging is supposed to break your neck if done properly. The relevant bone in question here is the Hyoid bone.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-hyoid-bone-broken-neck/

Hyoid bone fractures are generally estimated to occur in about 20-25% of suicides by hanging (depending on the study) versus about 50% homicides by strangulation. Those 20-25% however are linked to incomplete hanging and age, specifically once you're over 40 due to "calcification of and immobilization of the joints." Epstein was 66.

An indication to continue searching for signs of strangulation for sure. Hardly a slam dunk.


The original dig was meant more for Ulti, for the record.

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Corrik7
08/15/19 9:36:10 AM
#366:


https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia-police-shootings-six-shot-suspect-maurice-hill-20190815.html

One hell of a failure by the justice system.
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PerfectChaosZ
08/15/19 11:17:13 AM
#367:


red sox 777 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
xp1337 posted...
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/justice-department-urges-civil-rights-agency-to-flip-lgbt-stance

DOJ is urging the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to change its position and tell SCOTUS that businesses can discriminate against transgender employees without violating the law.

EEOC probably doesn't play ball with this. It's a 2-1 Republican majority (2 vacancies) but one of the Republicans is on the record of defending the EEOC's opinion, but DOJ is trying to get them to flip. Though there's some talk the EEOC General Counsel might be able to sign on to DOJ's position without the support of the committee. DOJ has until Friday to prepare its argument.


What even is the argument, beyond we think businesses should be able to discriminate against trans people?


If it's under the Civil Rights Act, the CRA gives a limited, enumerated, list of things you can't discriminate based on. Things not on the list include, for example, beauty, intelligence, work ethic, handedness. There is one item that is specifically excluded and that is membership in the Communist Party - the CRA says it is okay to discriminate against Communists.

Transgender status is IIRC not on the list of specifically enumerated protected traits in the CRA.


Being trans is a diagnosable medical condition. We should be protected under medical conditions. It shouldnt be about religion because its something that actually exists.
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Nelson_Mandela
08/15/19 12:12:12 PM
#368:


PerfectChaosZ posted...
Being trans is a diagnosable medical condition.

I'm glad you can agree that gender dysphoria is a mental illness/disability
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kevwaffles
08/15/19 12:29:55 PM
#369:


Try to be less predictable, Sephy. Now you're just boring me.
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red sox 777
08/15/19 12:40:54 PM
#370:


Medical conditions are not necessarily protected.
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Corrik7
08/15/19 12:42:57 PM
#371:


Since the WHO or whatever erroneously considers it not a mental condition anymore, it doesn't need to be accommodated anymore anyways.

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NFUN
08/15/19 12:44:53 PM
#372:


this just in: race is a mental condition
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HeroDelTiempo17
08/15/19 12:47:45 PM
#373:


Corrik7 posted...
Since the WHO or whatever erroneously considers it not a mental condition anymore, it doesn't need to be accommodated anymore anyways.


It's still listed as a sexual health condition as "gender incongruence."
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Corrik7
08/15/19 12:54:12 PM
#374:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
It's still listed as a sexual health condition as "gender incongruence."
Wtf is a sexual health condition?

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NFUN
08/15/19 1:04:58 PM
#375:


a condition pertaining to one's sexual health
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kevwaffles
08/15/19 1:14:13 PM
#376:


Pretty much right there in the name.
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Corrik7
08/15/19 1:42:24 PM
#377:


NFUN posted...
a condition pertaining to one's sexual health
I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Aids? Herpes? Hep? I mean, if we are now classifying transgender people with std's... = /

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ChaosTonyV4
08/15/19 1:47:38 PM
#378:


Erectile disfunction is now classified with STDs
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PerfectChaosZ
08/15/19 1:52:34 PM
#379:


I bet you couldnt fire someone for erectile dysfunction no matter what god you believed in
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HeroDelTiempo17
08/15/19 1:59:16 PM
#380:


if only this organization had a website where they clearly defined the terms they use
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NFUN
08/15/19 2:05:40 PM
#381:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
if only this organization had a website where they clearly defined the terms they use

If only. Doctors and scientists are notoriously imprecise
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Jakyl25
08/15/19 2:09:31 PM
#382:


Corrik7 posted...
Since the WHO or whatever erroneously considers it not a mental condition anymore, it doesn't need to be accommodated anymore anyways.


Uhhh this makes no sense even by your logic
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PerfectChaosZ
08/15/19 2:47:15 PM
#383:


Even if it did make sense, gender is still protected under the act, thus I contest non-binary is automatically protected.
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red sox 777
08/15/19 2:51:12 PM
#384:


PerfectChaosZ posted...
Even if it did make sense, gender is still protected under the act, thus I contest non-binary is automatically protected.


Gender isn't necessarily protected though. The statute says sex but not gender. The Obama DOJ said sex includes gender but the Trump DOJ disagrees.
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Nelson_Mandela
08/15/19 2:51:45 PM
#385:


PerfectChaosZ posted...
Even if it did make sense, gender is still protected under the act, thus I contest non-binary is automatically protected.

Is gender covered or is sex covered?
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Jakyl25
08/15/19 3:53:55 PM
#386:


"Like, if there was a hot-air balloon that was rising and you needed to try and keep it on the ground, [Trump] would be better than me at that," Yang said, "because he is so fat."


Yang going for that preteen fat joke loving constituency
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Espeon
08/15/19 3:54:53 PM
#387:


Jakyl25 posted...
"Like, if there was a hot-air balloon that was rising and you needed to try and keep it on the ground, [Trump] would be better than me at that," Yang said, "because he is so fat."


Yang going for that preteen fat joke loving constituency


The modern GOP?
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Suprak the Stud
08/15/19 3:59:06 PM
#388:


Jakyl25 posted...
"Like, if there was a hot-air balloon that was rising and you needed to try and keep it on the ground, [Trump] would be better than me at that," Yang said, "because he is so fat."


Yang going for that preteen fat joke loving constituency


I like Yang a lot but this is the dumbest thing I've heard during the campaign and I've listened to Marianne Williamson debate twice.
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Jakyl25
08/15/19 4:00:56 PM
#389:


https://www.businessinsider.com/andrew-yang-calls-trump-fat-and-a-slob-2019-8

Here is the article

Hes got ALL SORTS of fat-shaming comments about Trump
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Suprak the Stud
08/15/19 4:08:58 PM
#390:


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Some really good and some not so good polls recently! I know it is still so far out but I can't stop checking this every day.

Good: Sanders UP 6 in New Hampshire. I can't remember the last time I saw him up in a poll so even a single state poll is awesome. Particularly since it is so early in the primary cycle.
Warren down only 3 in a general election poll (Biden 23, Warren 20, Sanders 16).

Bad: Most other general polls have Biden up in the 15 point or so range. I'd need more polls like the Warren -3 one to be confident in any sort of trend
Biden up 20 in SC. I have this worry that even if Bernie/Warren manage to pull out some states in the northeast or coasts that Biden just completely dominates the southern/Appalachian states and he still wins the nomination.

Other: Gabbard now has two polls with her polling at 2 and Marriane Williamson somehow has one poll with her at two now too. Bullock also has two with him at 2 which sucks because I need him to drop out like today and run for that Montana senate seat. He is wildly popular there and absolutely wasting time in the presidential race.
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Nelson_Mandela
08/15/19 6:01:19 PM
#391:


Suprak the Stud posted...
I have this worry that even if Bernie/Warren manage to pull out some states in the northeast or coasts that Biden just completely dominates the southern/Appalachian states and he still wins the nomination.

That's exactly what is going to happen. Biden is going to curbstomp them in the South (and to a lesser extent, the Midwest).
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Nelson_Mandela
08/15/19 6:24:14 PM
#392:


https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-eyes-a-new-real-estate-purchase-greenland-11565904223?shareToken=st45bc6159c8f14a6ea46b563c228f22de

Gotta admit, this would be a baller move. Especially if the ice caps really do melt!
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CelesMyUserName
08/15/19 6:25:25 PM
#393:


https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1161943135422992385

for the most ~*~eLeCtAbLe~*~ candidate go to joe... 3 0... 3 3... oh
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LordoftheMorons
08/15/19 7:47:52 PM
#394:


Didn't Steyer also hit 2% in some polls? Not sure if they were qualifying polls or not (or why anyone would support him).

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xp1337
08/15/19 8:28:55 PM
#395:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Didn't Steyer also hit 2% in some polls? Not sure if they were qualifying polls or not (or why anyone would support him).

Yes. Just scanning 538 super quick and only Iowa/NH he's got 3 polls in Iowa (2, 2, and 3%) and 1 in NH (4%). All different outfits too. I think that means he qualifies but not 100% sure. If not I assume he will because I have to think at least 3 of those count and there's still plenty of time, relatively speaking, for another poll to turn up.

As for "why" he's making it rain with ads in the early states. Pretty sure he's outspending everyone else there significantly.

i mean that doesn't quite answer why that works but apparently it does

I would have expected donor count to be his stumbling block but IIRC he announced he somehow made that too. That's the real "whyyyyyy" tbqh.

Update: Found a 538 article from Tuesday talking about the debate. Steyer did say he made 130k donors but the article says he's one poll short. So he's got about two weeks to pick up one more qualified poll.
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ChaosTonyV4
08/15/19 8:32:39 PM
#396:


Buying Greenland to what end? I sure hope he doesnt support it becoming the 51st State.
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LordoftheMorons
08/15/19 8:36:10 PM
#397:


I saw a Facebook ad from Steyer asking for dollar donations (which is really weird in a bunch of ways, from the fact that hes paying to get donations to the fact that people are giving money to a billionaire, but I guess thats what the rules demand!)

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Corrik7
08/15/19 8:38:46 PM
#398:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Buying Greenland to what end? I sure hope he doesnt support it becoming the 51st State.
If you get Puerto Rico, we get Greenland! Lol

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ChaosTonyV4
08/15/19 8:59:43 PM
#399:


Corrik7 posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Buying Greenland to what end? I sure hope he doesnt support it becoming the 51st State.
If you get Puerto Rico, we get Greenland! Lol


Oof, Corrik walking straight into the point I was making.
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Paratroopa1
08/15/19 9:04:17 PM
#400:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Buying Greenland to what end? I sure hope he doesnt support it becoming the 51st State.

Trump wants to develop nukes and heard there was a Nuuk in Greenland and got confused
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