Poll of the Day > Trump official: Statue of Liberty poem is about Europeans

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Mead posted...

however, the poem definitely *was* written with westerners in mind.

citation needed

https://tinyurl.com/yy6uyuj2

Mead posted...

citation needed

it doesn't take much reading to see all kinds of references to her advocating for jewish refugees. that doesn't mean she wouldn't advocate for someone else of a different culture, but she definitely had "jewish refugees" in mind at the time.

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Yo icoyar did you realize that the link you posted 100% proves you wrong?

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Sahuagin posted...

it doesn't take much reading to see all kinds of references to her advocating for jewish refugees. that doesn't mean she wouldn't advocate for someone else of a different culture, but she definitely had "jewish refugees" in mind at the time.

That really doesnt mean anything. At all. If someone is being mistreated and they declare that its wrong, that shouldnt be interpreted as them saying that it is only wrong to mistreat people like them but anyone else is fair game.

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Mead posted...

That really doesnt mean anything. At all. If someone is being mistreated and they declare that its wrong, that shouldnt be interpreted as them saying that it is only wrong to mistreat people like them but anyone else is fair game.

so? she had jewish refugees in mind when writing the poem. that's all I've said. I didn't say "the person who wrote this poem would never in a million years consider it applicable to people from <place I don't like>, how disgraceful."

you're jumping between two black and white extremes, as if the only two options are blatantly racist "only whites in muh country!" VS blatantly stupid "we want everyone, no matter how genocidal!".

all I'm attempting to say here is that it's a *valid* concern to not want peoples of incompatible beliefs/ideals into your country. not only is it valid, it's a right of the citizens of any sovereign country.

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Sahuagin posted...

so? she had jewish refugees in mind when writing the poem. that's all I've said. I didn't say "the person who wrote this poem would never in a million years consider it applicable to people from <place I don't like>, how disgraceful."

you're jumping between two black and white extremes, as if the only two options are blatantly racist "only whites in muh country!" VS blatantly stupid "we want everyone, no matter how genocidal!".

all I'm attempting to say here is that it's a *valid* concern to not want peoples of incompatible beliefs/ideals into your country. not only is it valid, it's a right of the citizens of any sovereign country.

Whatever dude, you tried to say that it probably referred to only Europeans without even bothering to read it

If somebody wants the opportunity to work and make a better life for them and their family, those are 100% American ideals. Deal with it.

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Mead posted...

Whatever dude, you tried to say that it probably referred to only Europeans without even bothering to read it

the implication would be people of similar (western) ideals. "Europeans" is a very rough way of saying that; (and then "Europeans" can mean "people who live in Europe", or "people of European ancestry" as well. If you're hearing it as the latter, that could be why you so easily jump to racism. I'm reading it as the former.)

we won't be able to say definitively one way or another who the poem would have or would not have referred to. even if it would have had no preference of any kind whatsoever, it wouldn't make it a good idea.

Mead posted...

If somebody wants the opportunity to work and make a better life for them and their family, those are 100% American ideals. Deal with it.

you must know that that's not the only criteria worth looking at. that's like a bare minimum.

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The bare minimum is still acceptable criteria. Or else it wouldn't be accepted.

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EvilMegas posted...

The bare minimum is still acceptable criteria. Or else it wouldn't be accepted.

ok, use a different phrase then. it's a "starting point", but there's other things to look at.

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darkknight109 posted...

Can you point me to somewhere in America where people are advocating for people to be executed for adultery or for rape victims to marry their rapists?

You aren't very familiar with the dark side of the USA, are you? >_>

It's well-known that fundamentalist Christian Americans marry off underage rape victims to their rapists here in the USA. This is not hyperbole; it's a well-documented phenomenon.

Yes, people call for the execution of adulterers in the USA... and gay people... and trans people... and non-Christians in general.

Like, have you been living under a rock or something? How do you not know this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_age_in_the_United_States
http://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-shocking-statistics/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/modern-day-slavery/201903/time-s-child-marriages-in-the-us
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-childmarriage-reform/child-brides-call-on-u-s-states-to-end-legal-rape-idUSKCN1MZ024

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/anti-gay-preacher-barred-from-fundraising-now-wants-death-penalty-for-adultery/ (got sick of looking for these creeps so this is the only link you get, but you see them all over the place if you're paying attention)

Anybody want to talk about how feminists are evil? Soy cuck hair dye beta triggered beep boop beep.
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Literally the thing that makes America great is that people can come from different places and backgrounds but share the same dream of liberty and freedom to better oneself.

Were supposed to have different kinds of folks here.

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Mead posted...

Literally the thing that makes America great is that people can come from different places and backgrounds but share the same dream of liberty and freedom to better oneself.

exactly, so people can have some differing beliefs while also not having such differing beliefs that they're culturally incompatible.

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SkynyrdRocker posted...

I hate Trump, but I don't understand how France writing something on a statue they gave us means we have to offer green cards to people that will leach off society.

I mean, it was a poem writing by an American and it was put on the Statie by Americans almost 20 years after we got it. So I dont think France had anything to do with it.

Mead posted...

Yo icoyar did you realize that the link you posted 100% proves you wrong?

Dude hates the Washington Post until he thinks it wrote an article that backs up his argument.

I dont know why he even thinks anyone would respect his views on immigration given his occupational history.

Mead posted...

Literally the thing that makes America great is that people can come from different places and backgrounds but share the same dream of liberty and freedom to better oneself.

Were supposed to have different kinds of folks here.

Is that why ethnic groups tend to segregate themselves into their own communities instead of integrating into a whole?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrMuWLUxtGg" data-time="
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America was stolen and set up by Europeans and we all know that if we're truthful. America is now the wealthiest country in Europe.
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Wanded posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrMuWLUxtGg" data-time="

impossible.
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Mead posted...

https://apnews.com/290fe000b4584ddca46a6eb36a74a703?

Some people are gonna say that this isnt racist

They are clearly wrong

Some people are going to claim that it's racist but not explain any of their reasoning while ignoring the fact that NYC -- where the Statue of Liberty is located -- would have been the primary entry point for Europeans but less so for people from other areas (which is kinda expected, since there are closer places of entry for other origin points). But hey, you say that you're not wrong and that's good enough for us! Honestly, if you're going to object to anything, it would be the official's characterization of the huddled masses. \

Mead posted...

There was actually a lot of interest in Africans back then

We ended up having a war about it

Statue of Liberty construction started 1875. Civil War ended 1865. Well, seems legit! Mead says he's not wrong and that's good enough for us!

RCtheWSBC posted...

As if we don't have native-born Americans who "leach" off others every day?

....why would that be a justification for wanting more people to subsist off the system? If anything, it's an argument against having more people come in and take from the system because we're already providing so much in benefits.

green dragon posted...

But tbh, it wouldn't surprise me if the poem was only meant to include white people. The rich, wealthy people of yore were known to be hypocritical (kinda like today's people, actually...)- the biggest case in point would be the American Revolution. "Oh hey, we wanna be free from British rule. But owning slaves is still cool, right?"

Obviously not every person was/is like that, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the poem was meant for whites only.

As I mentioned in another topic, there are historians who claim that the US largely revolted to preserve the institution of slavery from Britain who was continuing to recognize it less and less. In fact, had the US not won its independence, it would have been forced to free its slaves decades before Lincoln took office iirc.

Granted, national freedom and personal freedom are separate issues regardless.

Mead posted...

citation needed

Says the guy who claims racism without offering any reasons.
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I bet there are people who honestly think the founding fathers intended to include African slaves and so on in the declaration of Independence when they say all men were created equal too.
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France gave it to us as a joke so Europe could send all the poor people to us, and they were like "why you complaining it's on the sign, bro."
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Zareth posted...

France gave it to us as a joke so Europe could send all the poor people to us, and they were like "why you complaining it's on the sign, bro."

France didnt give us that poem.

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Wanded posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrMuWLUxtGg" data-time="

This might be an entertaining video, but I'm not watching a 47 minute YouTube video

Krazy_Kirby posted...

Fazeo13 posted...

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Sahuagin posted...

it is probably true that the poem is referring to people with western ideals. for all I know the original poem is racist, but preferring immigrants with compatible ideals over immigrants with incompatible ideals is not racist.

Compatible ideals like those of white south Africans, who held power in one of the most crazy racist countries on the planet

It's still a racist country now just the other way around.

obviously you can't be racist towards white people...

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Pardon my point of privilege. *make jazz hands* >:0(
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