Board 8 > Zoe Quinn strikes again.

(+) Yeah! (+)

You're a psycho.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

like absolutely believe victims or whatever but this is out of control and your fervor to "listen and believe" has for real killed someone now. Be ashamed of yourselves

youre accusing someone of lying about being sexually assaulted and being responsible for a guys suicide without evidence that she lied, how is that any better

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ExThaNemesis posted...

MoogleKupo141 posted...

i dont think shes incapable of doing bad stuff

sure u don't bro

that's why you cannot possibly fathom that she made this ish up

As opposed to...you automatically believing she's a liar and needs to have her life ruined without any reason to believe that?
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ExThaNemesis posted...

sure u don't bro

that's why you cannot possibly fathom that she made this ish up

i could fathom it if you gave me any reason to believe it. Why did she make it up? Whats she getting out of this?

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

i could fathom it if you gave me any reason to believe it. Why did she make it up? Whats she getting out of this?

well, more than she bargained for RN, that's for sure!
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The Believe All Women thing was the dumbest thing that ever happened. Or all survivors or whatever the hell it was.

It should be listen to all and find the truth.

You don't believe someone because they accused someone when no proof exists. It is not about silencing victims. We have a justice system that is not predicated on proving innocence.

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I BELIEVE WOMEN, they screamed at the top of their lungs when the UVA case was blown the fuck apart and mattress girl was proven to be a fuckin fraud at Columbia
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ExThaNemesis posted...

well, more than she bargained for RN, that's for sure!

oh ok good point im sold

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ExThaNemesis posted...

I BELIEVE WOMEN, they screamed at the top of their lungs when the UVA case was blown the fuck apart and mattress girl was proven to be a fuckin fraud at Columbia

believe women or whatever -extha, 2019

not sure how sincere that was

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great cool awesome I was v concerned with convincing you mk happy to have u on board
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Dudes own family and best friends all said he did bad things and hurt people, but yeah obviously Zoe is 100% lying and intentionally suicided him!

Do you people even listen to yourselves lmao
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I see post 151 and I see post 161

Fun times

Zoe has no credibility based on previous false allegations and you should already be doubtful about public accusations anyway.
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tbh the response to this topic is fascinating because it's so opposite to the Eron Gjoni situation a few years ago. Eron accuses Zoe of being jealous/controlling, gaslighting, emotionally abusive, and a serial cheater. Board 8's response is super dismissive, calling him a "jilted ex" or, at best, saying "this is a private matter between them, I don't care." Now Zoe accuses Alex of being controlling, demanding, emotionally and physically abusive, and board 8 is instantly way more supportive (both in terms of believing the accusations and supporting them being made public).

What's the difference? Is it just that the Me Too movement has made us collectively more receptive to allegations of abuse?

UltimaterializerX posted...

If any of you have an attorney or youre just friends with one, ask them about the legality here. If the deceaseds family takes Zoe Quinn to court and she cannot prove beyond a 100% doubt that her accusations are true, Quinn may have to settle for a shitload of money, or get tried for involuntary manslaughter. Or a higher degree.

You're conflating multiple things here.
- She could be criminally charged with involuntary manslaughter
- She could get a civil lawsuit for wrongful death/libel

In terms of criminal charges, I don't think she could get convicted of involuntary manslaughter. The only vaguely similar case I'm aware of is the one where a woman repeatedly encouraged her boyfriend to commit suicide, suggesting ways he could kill himself and insulting him for not having the guts to go through with it. That's pretty clearly distinguishable because getting him to commit suicide was her avowed (and very well-documented) goal. Based on what we know, I don't think the Zoe/Alex situation is similar enough for prosecutors to have a case.

In terms of a civil lawsuit, I'm also skeptical. Even if the family can prove libel (which...is honestly a whole mess), I doubt she can be found responsible for his death as a matter of law. He made the choice to kill himself. That's on him, not on her. (i.e. his suicide is an independent intervening act that breaks the chain of causation)

(Disclaimer: I also thought the woman who told her boyfriend to kill himself was going to walk, for similar reasons; so you might want to take everything I've said with a grain of salt. But this case is significantly more attenuated than that one.)
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Paratroopa1 posted...

I see post 151 and I see post 161

Fun times

can you imagine bragging bout this

like really imagine coming into a thread and being like LOL I GOT ALL THESE PPL ON IGNORE IM SO COOL

fucking seattle people man
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Drakeryn posted...

(Disclaimer: I also thought the woman who told her boyfriend to kill himself was going to walk, for similar reasons; so you might want to take everything I've said with a grain of salt. But this case is significantly more attenuated than that one.)

she absolutely should've walked. It's absolutely ABSURD that they held her responsible for someone else's own decisions like that.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

she absolutely should've walked. It's absolutely ABSURD that they held her responsible for someone else's own decisions like that.

agreed
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also want to make clear that there's really no repercussions that Zoe SHOULD face for this coz it's not like she held a gun to the dude's head I'm just really pissed off that this specific person gets to make allegations with no consequences again and again despite her credibility being practically null.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Zoe has no credibility based on previous false allegations and you should already be doubtful about public accusations anyway.

Given that Zoe Quinn has been targeted by smear campaigns in the past (effective ones, as evidenced by Black Turtle still parroting the whole "she gave blowjobs for good reviews" lie), it's hard for me to believe she's lying when accused by a similar smear campaign this time.
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also Drakeryn the reasoning is that previously the accusations were being made by a man against a woman, that's why they were dismissed. Now they're by a woman against a man so they must be believed and listened to at all costs. Pretty simple.
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For what it's worth, I agreed with the "She should've walked" right up until the point where he decided he didn't want to kill himself and she told him to get back in the truck and finish the job. At that point I do think she becomes atleast partially responsible.
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StealThisSheen posted...

For what it's worth, I agreed with the "She should've walked" right up until the point where he decided he didn't want to kill himself and she told him to get back in the truck and finish the job. At that point I do think she becomes atleast partially responsible.

he could've just, ya know, shut off his phone.

it's ludicrous that we can charge people for telling someone else to do something
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UltimaterializerX posted...

You actually are a lawyer, right? Can you verify things I said earlier? Like I really did talk to a couple, nice if that's corroborated.

Yeah I basically don't think so. Like I said, I don't think she could get criminally convicted, and I'm skeptical that the family could win a lawsuit for wrongful death.

I'm not a specialist and I don't know the specific state law involved so if your sources do, then I'll defer. (But I do think it's kind of a sad state in terms of our society's views on personal responsibility if she's found legally responsible for his own decision to end his own life)
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The fact that people are comparing person A says person B raped her, Person B commits suicide from shame with Person A told Person B he and his family would be better off if he commits suicide, constantly scolded him when he didnt, then Person B commits suicide is astounding.
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I mean if we as a nation are going with the "People that shoot people are just mentally disturbed and told to do it by violent video games" rhetoric, then yeah, it follows that telling somebody who may be mentally disturbed to kill themselves over and over again, including while they're actually doing it, could also be punishable.
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WAIT the article says Manitoba

okay I have no clue about Canada law at all
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Paratroopa1 posted...

I see post 151 and I see post 161

Fun times

Imagine someone bragging that they ignored someone. Not sure which is more childish. The bragging or that someone can't handle others that they even have to ignore people on a forum. Lol.

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alright let me walk back the fact that Zoe has any responsibility on what this dude chose to do. She doesn't.

I think the listen and believe culture that immediately cancelled him and hounded him into a state where he felt this was his only option needs to reflect on itself and the way it operates

But speaking as someone that has attempted suicide, no one has any responsibility for that but the person making that decision. Full stop.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Zoe has no credibility based on previous false allegations and you should already be doubtful about public accusations anyway.

genuine question who did she false allegate, I mostly ignore Zoe Quinn news but then this guy died so its very everywhere

also want to make clear that there's really no repercussions that Zoe SHOULD face for this coz it's not like she held a gun to the dude's head I'm just really pissed off that this specific person gets to make allegations with no consequences again and again despite her credibility being practically null.

also disagree here, if she did make it up and it drove him to kill himself then there should be consequences for her.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The fact that people are comparing person A says person B raped her, Person B commits suicide from shame with Person A told Person B he and his family would be better off if he commits suicide, constantly scolded him when he didnt, then Person B commits suicide is astounding.

I'm just saying that's the closest thing I'm aware of in terms of US legal precedent (and that was still a groundbreaking case AND, as you point out, quite far from the current situation).
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ExThaNemesis posted...

she absolutely should've walked. It's absolutely ABSURD that they held her responsible for someone else's own decisions like that.

Eh, I think she was guilty of something there. She definitely manipulated the taking of a life. It would be more legal in a state that has legal assisted suicide I guess.

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ExThaNemesis posted...

he could've just, ya know, shut off his phone.

it's ludicrous that we can charge people for telling someone else to do something

Do you think a caretaker should walk if they tell a toddler to walk into a pool of water? What if someone tells a mentally challenged person to do something that will kill them?

What about the people posting the shit on YouTube telling kids to drink bleach?

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What if you tell me to drink bleach and I go do it?

Like where do we draw the line there?

Adults are responsible for their own actions and choices.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

alright let me walk back the fact that Zoe has any responsibility on what this dude chose to do. She doesn't.

I think the listen and believe culture that immediately cancelled him and hounded him into a state where he felt this was his only option needs to reflect on itself and the way it operates

But speaking as someone that has attempted suicide, no one has any responsibility for that but the person making that decision. Full stop.

I believe jcgamer was saying the mob actions against him bullied him over the edge and that he thinks so little of Zoe I presume that he feels she was using her influence not to kill him but to rile up people for less than legit reasons at the core.

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ExThaNemesis posted...

What if you tell me to drink bleach and I go do it?

Like where do we draw the line there?

Adults are responsible for their own actions and choices.

Some people just do not know bleach kills you. The fake circulation was that these were targeted to kids though. Who wouldn't know better.

So you are saying purposely manipulating people who aren't smart enough to know better or who are so naively in love that they can't understand someone could be hurting them makes the person manipulating them free and clear?

I mean, there is a difference between saying go kill yourself and reasonably trying to manipulate the outcome.

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I am not saying where someone says go jump off a bridge and they do it and ur just like how the fuck was I spose to know that moron would do that.

I am talking about maliciously manipulating someone to their death. I am not even sure assisted suicide would cover someone assisting in a malicious way.

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And let's not forget that girl who talked him into suicide used his suicide for sympathy to try and gain some popularity to my knowledge also.

I almost bought the I wanted to put him on the brink so he could see he wanted to live argument and she never believed he would do it until her actions after he died.

Like, if she responds with being frantic. Upset. And says I never thought he would actually do it. I wanted him to realize he wanted to live. Then sure. Messed up idea but not guilty of a crime. But, she maliciously manipulated him.

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The situation is like the boy who cried wolf. Except that instead of a boy it's a girl and instead of no one believing the girl a bunch of people do and shoot the wolf before confirming it's a wolf and a bunch of people, who can't confirm that it's not a wolf, shoot back at the people who shot because they are upset that the first group shot with blindfolds on. It comes to a point where it doesn't matter who is guilty or innocent only who is next to you holding a gun.

Now as for the whole legal consequences thing. Remember a long time ago when that online bullying stuff happened due to the MySpace suicide? It got a lot of attention and caused a pretty big aftermath of hastily written laws and legislation in response. I know that in this case it was pretty cut and dry that the woman who drove the girl to commit suicide did so with intention to cause harm, malice, and a perpetual bombarding of self-esteem reducing rhetoric. The problem was that at the time it was like a first of it's kind case that has really reached the attention it did. It also happened during a time where the internet as a whole was not as sensitive to such issues. AFAIK the woman who was tried for the crime simply walked after appeal (although as to why I can't tell you that). I realize that there are several key differences like the fact that the girl who committed suicide was a minor. But imo, if someone can get away in those circumstances I can't see Zoe Quinn being punished legally either.

As for if she should be punished or not. I'm leaning to no unless it can be proven that she indeed did fabricate things in order to boost her own worth somehow, like for the means of funding etc. But this would also be hard to prove. And even then, her punishment would likely be for some sort of fraud or whatnot and not causing a guy to kill himself.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The fact that people are comparing person A says person B raped her, Person B commits suicide from shame with Person A told Person B he and his family would be better off if he commits suicide, constantly scolded him when he didnt, then Person B commits suicide is astounding.

the negative space I'm seeing in this thread must be a real interesting place

MoogleKupo141 posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

sure u don't bro

that's why you cannot possibly fathom that she made this ish up

i could fathom it if you gave me any reason to believe it. Why did she make it up? Whats she getting out of this?

Dude, are you one of those who believes that people are incapable of being despicable human beings?

Look up sociopath on google and go take a few psychology classes, bro. Or go work a job where you have to deal with customers all day.

putting paratroopa on ignore now I can't see post 192 HOW COOL AM I LMAO
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Haunter12O posted...

MoogleKupo141 posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

sure u don't bro

that's why you cannot possibly fathom that she made this ish up

i could fathom it if you gave me any reason to believe it. Why did she make it up? Whats she getting out of this?

Dude, are you one of those who believes that people are incapable of being despicable human beings?

Look up sociopath on google and go take a few psychology classes, bro. Or go work a job where you have to deal with customers all day.

The problem is Zoe Quinn's history. She was the catalyst behind GamerGate when she, a game developer, cheated on her boyfriend. This created a confluence of factors that woman-hating gamer incels could latch onto: both "women are invading OUR hobby" AND "women are manipulative and evil sluts". Thus, she became the go-to punching bag of said incel crowd, who crafted an entire false narrative "she cheated on her boyfriend with games journalists to get good reviews!"

Basically, the anti-SJW crowd has cried wolf enough times that I have no reason to believe ANY unsubstantiated, negative allegations against Zoe Quinn (or Anita Sarkeesian, while we're at it.)
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ExThaNemesis posted...

putting paratroopa on ignore now I can't see post 192 HOW COOL AM I LMAO

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Haunter12O posted...

Dude, are you one of those who believes that people are incapable of being despicable human beings?

Look up sociopath on google and go take a few psychology classes, bro. Or go work a job where you have to deal with customers all day.

. If I believe what Zoe said happened that would make Alec a despicable human being, so obviously I think people are capable of being despicable human beings.
I guess she could just be a sociopath who arbitrarily wanted to drive this guy to kill himself, that just seems less likely to me than her making the accusation for a logical reason.

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FYI this topic is "Hot"' so except random shitposters to come along.

(Also Para probably didn't block that many people so much as he blocked the person being quoted constantly.)
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Umbreon posted...

FYI this topic is "Hot"' so except random shitposters to come along.

sick it can't get any worse than the b8 sjw brigade so bring it on!
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