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biggernails 09/03/19 5:44:51 AM #52:	I honestly don't really care if people pirate. But if you're gonna sit back and consume things you didn't appreciate enough to pay for and call it perfectly morally safe, I don't agree with that. If you know what you're doing is wrong, then cool. --- I wanted ORANGE. It gave me lemon lime. <cite>biggernails posted [p:926897699] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>I honestly don't really care if people pirate. But if you're gonna sit back and consume things you didn't appreciate enough to pay for and call it perfectly morally safe, I don't agree with that. If you know what you're doing is wrong, then cool.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 09/03/19 5:46:40 AM #53:	biggernails posted... Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... "I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them." Nobody has said that itt. I have my doubts anyone has ever said that anywhere tbh. There are obviously people that dont care that piracy is illegal, but they also dont care about whatever shit it is youre spouting. if you are reaping the benefits of someone's hard work without compensating them in a respectable fashion (assuming that avenue exists), you are actually not only cheating the creators of the appreciation they deserve, but cheating yourself of being supportive of the developers of something you enjoy. Sure? Whats your point? That piracy is illegal? Duh. well I was under the impression that you think it's morally justifiable and not robbing the creators of anything. I didn't read the whole topic There are specific circumstances where its morally justifiable, sure. For example, japanese manga with no official translastion. Old games that arent sold anymore. Games with ridiculous DRM like securom. Games with price gouging based on region. And any geo-based content restrictions in general. Games with ridiculous DLC, etc. Obviously none of this is legally justifiable. To to say any of this is morally wrong is disingenuous. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:926897710] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote><cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> "I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them." </quote> Nobody has said that itt. I have my doubts anyone has ever said that anywhere tbh. There are obviously people that dont care that piracy is illegal, but they also dont care about whatever shit it is youre spouting. </quote> if you are reaping the benefits of someone's hard work without compensating them in a respectable fashion (assuming that avenue exists), you are actually not only cheating the creators of the appreciation they deserve, but cheating yourself of being supportive of the developers of something you enjoy. </quote> Sure? Whats your point? That piracy is illegal? Duh. </quote> well I was under the impression that you think it's morally justifiable and not robbing the creators of anything. I didn't read the whole topic</quote> There are specific circumstances where its morally justifiable, sure. For example, japanese manga with no official translastion. Old games that arent sold anymore. Games with ridiculous DRM like securom. Games with price gouging based on region. And any geo-based content restrictions in general. Games with ridiculous DLC, etc. Obviously none of this is legally justifiable. To to say any of this is morally wrong is disingenuous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
biggernails 09/03/19 5:47:26 AM #54:	Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... "I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them." Nobody has said that itt. I have my doubts anyone has ever said that anywhere tbh. There are obviously people that dont care that piracy is illegal, but they also dont care about whatever shit it is youre spouting. if you are reaping the benefits of someone's hard work without compensating them in a respectable fashion (assuming that avenue exists), you are actually not only cheating the creators of the appreciation they deserve, but cheating yourself of being supportive of the developers of something you enjoy. Sure? Whats your point? That piracy is illegal? Duh. well I was under the impression that you think it's morally justifiable and not robbing the creators of anything. I didn't read the whole topic There are specific circumstances where its morally justifiable, sure. For example, japanese manga with no official translastion. Old games that arent sold anymore. Games with ridiculous DRM like securom. Games with ridiculous DLC, etc. Obviously none of this is legally justifiable. To to say any of this is morally wrong is disingenuous. okay. I was just reacting to OP then. sorry --- I wanted ORANGE. It gave me lemon lime. <cite>biggernails posted [p:926897727] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> "I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them." </quote> Nobody has said that itt. I have my doubts anyone has ever said that anywhere tbh. There are obviously people that dont care that piracy is illegal, but they also dont care about whatever shit it is youre spouting. </quote> if you are reaping the benefits of someone's hard work without compensating them in a respectable fashion (assuming that avenue exists), you are actually not only cheating the creators of the appreciation they deserve, but cheating yourself of being supportive of the developers of something you enjoy. </quote> Sure? Whats your point? That piracy is illegal? Duh.</quote> well I was under the impression that you think it's morally justifiable and not robbing the creators of anything. I didn't read the whole topic</quote> There are specific circumstances where its morally justifiable, sure. For example, japanese manga with no official translastion. Old games that arent sold anymore. Games with ridiculous DRM like securom. Games with ridiculous DLC, etc. Obviously none of this is legally justifiable. To to say any of this is morally wrong is disingenuous.</quote> okay. I was just reacting to OP then. sorry</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 09/03/19 5:48:00 AM #55:	biggernails posted... Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... "I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them." Nobody has said that itt. I have my doubts anyone has ever said that anywhere tbh. There are obviously people that dont care that piracy is illegal, but they also dont care about whatever shit it is youre spouting. if you are reaping the benefits of someone's hard work without compensating them in a respectable fashion (assuming that avenue exists), you are actually not only cheating the creators of the appreciation they deserve, but cheating yourself of being supportive of the developers of something you enjoy. Sure? Whats your point? That piracy is illegal? Duh. well I was under the impression that you think it's morally justifiable and not robbing the creators of anything. I didn't read the whole topic There are specific circumstances where its morally justifiable, sure. For example, japanese manga with no official translastion. Old games that arent sold anymore. Games with ridiculous DRM like securom. Games with ridiculous DLC, etc. Obviously none of this is legally justifiable. To to say any of this is morally wrong is disingenuous. okay. I was just reacting to OP then. sorry Sorry if i was a bit hostile with my responses. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:926897733] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote><cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> "I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them." </quote> Nobody has said that itt. I have my doubts anyone has ever said that anywhere tbh. There are obviously people that dont care that piracy is illegal, but they also dont care about whatever shit it is youre spouting. </quote> if you are reaping the benefits of someone's hard work without compensating them in a respectable fashion (assuming that avenue exists), you are actually not only cheating the creators of the appreciation they deserve, but cheating yourself of being supportive of the developers of something you enjoy. </quote> Sure? Whats your point? That piracy is illegal? Duh. </quote> well I was under the impression that you think it's morally justifiable and not robbing the creators of anything. I didn't read the whole topic </quote> There are specific circumstances where its morally justifiable, sure. For example, japanese manga with no official translastion. Old games that arent sold anymore. Games with ridiculous DRM like securom. Games with ridiculous DLC, etc. Obviously none of this is legally justifiable. To to say any of this is morally wrong is disingenuous. </quote> okay. I was just reacting to OP then. sorry</quote> Sorry if i was a bit hostile with my responses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
biggernails 09/03/19 5:51:00 AM #56:	it's okay. there's a particular FF nes game that was never ported in anyway but just remade in a gross fashion and you can't get it anywhere. also you can't seem to buy terranigma legit either which is a travesty --- I wanted ORANGE. It gave me lemon lime. <cite>biggernails posted [p:926897772] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>it's okay. there's a particular FF nes game that was never ported in anyway but just remade in a gross fashion and you can't get it anywhere. also you can't seem to buy terranigma legit either which is a travesty</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zado19 09/03/19 7:26:37 AM #57:	Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... "I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them." Nobody has said that itt. I have my doubts anyone has ever said that anywhere tbh. There are obviously people that dont care that piracy is illegal, but they also dont care about whatever shit it is youre spouting. if you are reaping the benefits of someone's hard work without compensating them in a respectable fashion (assuming that avenue exists), you are actually not only cheating the creators of the appreciation they deserve, but cheating yourself of being supportive of the developers of something you enjoy. Sure? Whats your point? That piracy is illegal? Duh. well I was under the impression that you think it's morally justifiable and not robbing the creators of anything. I didn't read the whole topic There are specific circumstances where its morally justifiable, sure. For example, japanese manga with no official translastion. Old games that arent sold anymore. Games with ridiculous DRM like securom. Games with price gouging based on region. And any geo-based content restrictions in general. Games with ridiculous DLC, etc. Obviously none of this is legally justifiable. To to say any of this is morally wrong is disingenuous. I disagree with the manga, games not sold anymore maybe, DRM questionable but a case could be made, price gouging maybe, region locking maybe..... But define ridiculous DLC and explain how it would not be morall wrong to pirate a game because of it. --- Smash replays https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqY6lLXxBAUq-7KSPbDYP5w <cite>zado19 posted [p:926899258] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> "I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them." </quote> Nobody has said that itt. I have my doubts anyone has ever said that anywhere tbh. There are obviously people that dont care that piracy is illegal, but they also dont care about whatever shit it is youre spouting. </quote> if you are reaping the benefits of someone's hard work without compensating them in a respectable fashion (assuming that avenue exists), you are actually not only cheating the creators of the appreciation they deserve, but cheating yourself of being supportive of the developers of something you enjoy. </quote> Sure? Whats your point? That piracy is illegal? Duh. </quote> well I was under the impression that you think it's morally justifiable and not robbing the creators of anything. I didn't read the whole topic</quote> There are specific circumstances where its morally justifiable, sure. For example, japanese manga with no official translastion. Old games that arent sold anymore. Games with ridiculous DRM like securom. Games with price gouging based on region. And any geo-based content restrictions in general. Games with ridiculous DLC, etc. Obviously none of this is legally justifiable. To to say any of this is morally wrong is disingenuous.</quote> I disagree with the manga, games not sold anymore maybe, DRM questionable but a case could be made, price gouging maybe, region locking maybe..... But define ridiculous DLC and explain how it would not be morall wrong to pirate a game because of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 09/03/19 7:31:29 AM #58:	zado19 posted... Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... "I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them." Nobody has said that itt. I have my doubts anyone has ever said that anywhere tbh. There are obviously people that dont care that piracy is illegal, but they also dont care about whatever shit it is youre spouting. if you are reaping the benefits of someone's hard work without compensating them in a respectable fashion (assuming that avenue exists), you are actually not only cheating the creators of the appreciation they deserve, but cheating yourself of being supportive of the developers of something you enjoy. Sure? Whats your point? That piracy is illegal? Duh. well I was under the impression that you think it's morally justifiable and not robbing the creators of anything. I didn't read the whole topic There are specific circumstances where its morally justifiable, sure. For example, japanese manga with no official translastion. Old games that arent sold anymore. Games with ridiculous DRM like securom. Games with price gouging based on region. And any geo-based content restrictions in general. Games with ridiculous DLC, etc. Obviously none of this is legally justifiable. To to say any of this is morally wrong is disingenuous. I disagree with the manga, games not sold anymore maybe, DRM questionable but a case could be made, price gouging maybe, region locking maybe..... But define ridiculous DLC and explain how it would not be morall wrong to pirate a game because of it. Like any EA sports game. Day 1/On Disk DLC. Games that let you pre-purchase season passes before any DLC exists --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:926899347] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote><cite>zado19 posted...</cite> <quote> Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> "I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them." </quote> Nobody has said that itt. I have my doubts anyone has ever said that anywhere tbh. There are obviously people that dont care that piracy is illegal, but they also dont care about whatever shit it is youre spouting. </quote> if you are reaping the benefits of someone's hard work without compensating them in a respectable fashion (assuming that avenue exists), you are actually not only cheating the creators of the appreciation they deserve, but cheating yourself of being supportive of the developers of something you enjoy. </quote> Sure? Whats your point? That piracy is illegal? Duh. </quote> well I was under the impression that you think it's morally justifiable and not robbing the creators of anything. I didn't read the whole topic </quote> There are specific circumstances where its morally justifiable, sure. For example, japanese manga with no official translastion. Old games that arent sold anymore. Games with ridiculous DRM like securom. Games with price gouging based on region. And any geo-based content restrictions in general. Games with ridiculous DLC, etc. Obviously none of this is legally justifiable. To to say any of this is morally wrong is disingenuous. </quote> I disagree with the manga, games not sold anymore maybe, DRM questionable but a case could be made, price gouging maybe, region locking maybe..... But define ridiculous DLC and explain how it would not be morall wrong to pirate a game because of it.</quote> Like any EA sports game. Day 1/On Disk DLC. Games that let you pre-purchase season passes before any DLC exists</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
biggernails 09/03/19 7:35:42 AM #59:	why would you want to play an EA game though? ew --- I wanted ORANGE. It gave me lemon lime. <cite>biggernails posted [p:926899440] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>why would you want to play an EA game though? ew</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
myzz7 09/03/19 7:55:43 AM #60:	in this topic we pretend intellectual property isn't real and plug our ears going "la la la piracy isn't theft la la la" --- ''If I knew how to dox people, and you lived close to me, I would beat you with a bat.'' Bad_Mojo 8/24/2018 <cite>myzz7 posted [p:926899801] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>in this topic we pretend intellectual property isn't real and plug our ears going "la la la piracy isn't theft la la la"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 09/03/19 7:58:24 AM #61:	It's wild how quickly gamers become "property is theft" guys when it impacts them. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:926899854] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>It's wild how quickly gamers become "property is theft" guys when it impacts them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 09/03/19 7:59:13 AM #62:	It's not all that different to lose a copy vs a customer when you need both to make a sale but ok I guess. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:926899866] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>It's not all that different to lose a copy vs a customer when you need both to make a sale but ok I guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
biggernails 09/03/19 7:59:25 AM #63:	Antifar posted... It's wild how quickly gamers become "property is theft" guys when it impacts them. I have sought out to pay legit for most of the games I cherish from my piracy days in the 2000s --- I wanted ORANGE. It gave me lemon lime. <cite>biggernails posted [p:926899869] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>It's wild how quickly gamers become "property is theft" guys when it impacts them.</quote> I have sought out to pay legit for most of the games I cherish from my piracy days in the 2000s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bover_87 09/03/19 8:13:00 AM #64:	IMO piracy not for profit should be legalized, it's not the government's job to protect corporate profits. For-profit piracy (e.g. selling counterfeit software) needs to die in a hole though. --- I...I shall consume. Consume...consume everything. ~ [FFRK] rcr6 - Arbiter's Tome/Forbidden Power/Divine Veil Grimoire <cite>bover_87 posted [p:926900156] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>IMO piracy not for profit should be legalized, it's not the government's job to protect corporate profits. For-profit piracy (e.g. selling counterfeit software) needs to die in a hole though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 09/03/19 8:17:41 AM #65:	zado19 posted... Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... Rika_Furude posted... biggernails posted... "I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them." Nobody has said that itt. I have my doubts anyone has ever said that anywhere tbh. There are obviously people that dont care that piracy is illegal, but they also dont care about whatever shit it is youre spouting. if you are reaping the benefits of someone's hard work without compensating them in a respectable fashion (assuming that avenue exists), you are actually not only cheating the creators of the appreciation they deserve, but cheating yourself of being supportive of the developers of something you enjoy. Sure? Whats your point? That piracy is illegal? Duh. well I was under the impression that you think it's morally justifiable and not robbing the creators of anything. I didn't read the whole topic There are specific circumstances where its morally justifiable, sure. For example, japanese manga with no official translastion. Old games that arent sold anymore. Games with ridiculous DRM like securom. Games with price gouging based on region. And any geo-based content restrictions in general. Games with ridiculous DLC, etc. Obviously none of this is legally justifiable. To to say any of this is morally wrong is disingenuous. I disagree with the manga, games not sold anymore maybe, DRM questionable but a case could be made, price gouging maybe, region locking maybe..... But define ridiculous DLC and explain how it would not be morall wrong to pirate a game because of it. Corporations are rarely kept in check with anti-consumer practices until it reaches an absolute breaking point. It could be argued that pirating is a form of protest. Of course, one could easily argue you could just as easily just not buy it in protest. But then you wouldnt get headlines like this: https://www.wired.com/2008/12/spore-is-2008s/ --- https://i.imgtc.com/8ePXf9B.gif If Yamcha would have brought his bat along he'd have blasted Jiren out of the ring like Ness in smash brothers. - Gids_goft <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:926900260] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>zado19 posted...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>biggernails posted...</cite> <quote> "I don't mind taking advantage of people's hard work and am entitled to enjoy it for free because of the technicality that I'm not physically taking something away from them." </quote> Nobody has said that itt. I have my doubts anyone has ever said that anywhere tbh. There are obviously people that dont care that piracy is illegal, but they also dont care about whatever shit it is youre spouting. </quote> if you are reaping the benefits of someone's hard work without compensating them in a respectable fashion (assuming that avenue exists), you are actually not only cheating the creators of the appreciation they deserve, but cheating yourself of being supportive of the developers of something you enjoy. </quote> Sure? Whats your point? That piracy is illegal? Duh. </quote> well I was under the impression that you think it's morally justifiable and not robbing the creators of anything. I didn't read the whole topic</quote> There are specific circumstances where its morally justifiable, sure. For example, japanese manga with no official translastion. Old games that arent sold anymore. Games with ridiculous DRM like securom. Games with price gouging based on region. And any geo-based content restrictions in general. Games with ridiculous DLC, etc. Obviously none of this is legally justifiable. To to say any of this is morally wrong is disingenuous.</quote> I disagree with the manga, games not sold anymore maybe, DRM questionable but a case could be made, price gouging maybe, region locking maybe..... But define ridiculous DLC and explain how it would not be morall wrong to pirate a game because of it.</quote> Corporations are rarely kept in check with anti-consumer practices until it reaches an absolute breaking point. It could be argued that pirating is a form of protest. Of course, one could easily argue you could just as easily just not buy it in protest. But then you wouldnt get headlines like this: https://www.wired.com/2008/12/spore-is-2008s/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Illuminoius 09/03/19 8:20:10 AM #66:	yeah selling pirated content is pretty indefensible <cite>Illuminoius posted [p:926900309] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>yeah selling pirated content is pretty indefensible </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 09/03/19 8:23:01 AM #67:	Illuminoius posted... yeah selling pirated content is pretty indefensible What about repro carts of old games? >_> (Provided its made known that its a repro) --- https://i.imgtc.com/8ePXf9B.gif If Yamcha would have brought his bat along he'd have blasted Jiren out of the ring like Ness in smash brothers. - Gids_goft <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:926900358] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>Illuminoius posted...</cite> <quote>yeah selling pirated content is pretty indefensible </quote> What about repro carts of old games? >_> (Provided its made known that its a repro)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 09/03/19 8:47:30 AM #68:	bover_87 posted... IMO piracy not for profit should be legalized, it's not the government's job to protect corporate profits. Well... --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:926900983] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>bover_87 posted...</cite> <quote>IMO piracy not for profit should be legalized, it's not the government's job to protect corporate profits. </quote> Well...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zado19 09/03/19 9:10:10 AM #69:	Rika_Furude posted... Like any EA sports game. Day 1/On Disk DLC. Games that let you pre-purchase season passes before any DLC exists nah, your going to have to do better than that.... You might this this is a decent idea, but if this is as far as it goes, then no... please expand on this point --- Smash replays https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqY6lLXxBAUq-7KSPbDYP5w <cite>zado19 posted [p:926901492] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>Like any EA sports game. Day 1/On Disk DLC. Games that let you pre-purchase season passes before any DLC exists</quote> nah, your going to have to do better than that.... You might this this is a decent idea, but if this is as far as it goes, then no... please expand on this point</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zado19 09/03/19 9:17:52 AM #70:	dumbest thing about this discussion is that people dont want to admit they are on the moral low ground in DEFENDING pirating.... I use to have NES, N64, GC, Wii, GBC, GBA, DS, 3DS..... and i used an emulator and downloaded ROms of all the games i used to have on the system. sure i bought them back in the day, but downloading to play in the computer today is still wrong... I can admit that and i have no problem with that On the opposite side, I downloaded Divinity OS2, saw that it was fucking amazing, and then said im buying this when it comes out on console..... and then i did..... but i was still wrong in my first playthorugh regardless --- Smash replays https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqY6lLXxBAUq-7KSPbDYP5w <cite>zado19 posted [p:926901715] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>dumbest thing about this discussion is that people dont want to admit they are on the moral low ground in DEFENDING pirating.... I use to have NES, N64, GC, Wii, GBC, GBA, DS, 3DS..... and i used an emulator and downloaded ROms of all the games i used to have on the system. sure i bought them back in the day, but downloading to play in the computer today is still wrong... I can admit that and i have no problem with that On the opposite side, I downloaded Divinity OS2, saw that it was fucking amazing, and then said im buying this when it comes out on console..... and then i did..... but i was still wrong in my first playthorugh regardless</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbaaay 09/03/19 9:20:12 AM #71:	ZMythos posted... You took something without permission or consent. That's theft. Could i make the same argument against people recording me in public without consent? <cite>bobbaaay posted [p:926901765] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>You took something without permission or consent. That's theft.</quote> Could i make the same argument against people recording me in public without consent? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 09/03/19 9:31:37 AM #72:	MarthGoomba posted... Rika_Furude posted... One involves no loss (piracy) Loss of a sale is still a loss Potential sale. Anyone who has to pirate wasn't going to buy anyway. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:926902050] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>MarthGoomba posted...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>One involves no loss (piracy)</quote> Loss of a sale is still a loss</quote> Potential sale. Anyone who has to pirate wasn't going to buy anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zado19 09/03/19 9:41:39 AM #73:	Ilishe posted... MarthGoomba posted... Rika_Furude posted... One involves no loss (piracy) Loss of a sale is still a loss Potential sale. Anyone who has to pirate wasn't going to buy anyway. not necessarily --- Smash replays https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqY6lLXxBAUq-7KSPbDYP5w <cite>zado19 posted [p:926902320] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>Ilishe posted...</cite> <quote>MarthGoomba posted...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>One involves no loss (piracy)</quote> Loss of a sale is still a loss</quote> Potential sale. Anyone who has to pirate wasn't going to buy anyway.</quote> not necessarily</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbaaay 09/03/19 9:53:36 AM #74:	Piracy for music: good. Most popular artists make their money from touring, and most artists in DIY and counter culture communities make their money from merch. The accessibility has been a great thing and definitely made most DIY communities easier to navigate - as well as make slightly more hidden gems that would've been lost in history become unearthed. Plus - for popular artists - 90% of normies use YouTube and streaming services anyways. Piracy in movies: mostly bad. (That isn't to say i don't use putlockers myself) Movies cost A LOT more to make than music. I know independent film makers from conventions -- and they're taking out loans and losing tons of money just MAKING the films. Again - it's great that piracy makes lost films accessible again; but - on the flipside there are tons of smaller distros putting out previously obscure films on bluray (films like Sex androide, the nostril picker, etc.), so purists could still find legal ways to obtain films. Programs: mostly bad. With the exception of really old abandonware stuff, stuff only on floppy, etc. Plus there's stuff like Steam and Humble Bundle that make games way more affordable <cite>bobbaaay posted [p:926902623] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>Piracy for music: good. Most popular artists make their money from touring, and most artists in DIY and counter culture communities make their money from merch. The accessibility has been a great thing and definitely made most DIY communities easier to navigate - as well as make slightly more hidden gems that would've been lost in history become unearthed. Plus - for popular artists - 90% of normies use YouTube and streaming services anyways. Piracy in movies: mostly bad. (That isn't to say i don't use putlockers myself) Movies cost A LOT more to make than music. I know independent film makers from conventions -- and they're taking out loans and losing tons of money just MAKING the films. Again - it's great that piracy makes lost films accessible again; but - on the flipside there are tons of smaller distros putting out previously obscure films on bluray (films like Sex androide, the nostril picker, etc.), so purists could still find legal ways to obtain films. Programs: mostly bad. With the exception of really old abandonware stuff, stuff only on floppy, etc. Plus there's stuff like Steam and Humble Bundle that make games way more affordable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-Cipher- 09/03/19 9:56:06 AM #75:	Weird how anti-piracy gang doesn't have a problem with libraries <cite>-Cipher- posted [p:926902693] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>Weird how anti-piracy gang doesn't have a problem with libraries </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MisterPorn 09/03/19 9:57:56 AM #76:	Where do people who watch porn on tube sites fall under? --- I am un chien andalusia. <cite>MisterPorn posted [p:926902743] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>Where do people who watch porn on tube sites fall under?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-Cipher- 09/03/19 9:59:28 AM #77:	MisterPorn posted... Where do people who watch porn on tube sites fall under? Depends on if it's original content or reuploads <cite>-Cipher- posted [p:926902781] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>MisterPorn posted... </cite> <quote>Where do people who watch porn on tube sites fall under?</quote>Depends on if it's original content or reuploads </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lyrica 09/03/19 10:01:00 AM #78:	Shablagoo posted... That said, piracy is illegal and Ive never done it. Though my older siblings did use Kazaa back in the day. Using that app/program to view movies that are still in theaters is a form of piracy right? <cite>Lyrica posted [p:926902816] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote>That said, piracy is illegal and Ive never done it. Though my older siblings did use Kazaa back in the day.</quote> Using that app/program to view movies that are still in theaters is a form of piracy right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbaaay 09/03/19 10:10:11 AM #79:	-Cipher- posted... Depends on if it's original content or reuploads I can't have an opinion because i literally see zero appeal to professional porn. Amateur or gtfo <cite>bobbaaay posted [p:926903114] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>-Cipher- posted... </cite> <quote>Depends on if it's original content or reuploads</quote> I can't have an opinion because i literally see zero appeal to professional porn. Amateur or gtfo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MisterPorn 09/03/19 10:17:26 AM #80:	-Cipher- posted... MisterPorn posted... Where do people who watch porn on tube sites fall under? Depends on if it's original content or reuploads reuploads from pay sites. bobbaaay posted... -Cipher- posted... Depends on if it's original content or reuploads I can't have an opinion because i literally see zero appeal to professional porn. Amateur or gtfo I watch amateur too but just wondering if the arguments apply or it changes when it comes to porn. --- I am un chien andalusia. <cite>MisterPorn posted [p:926903330] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>-Cipher- posted...</cite> <quote>MisterPorn posted... </cite> <quote>Where do people who watch porn on tube sites fall under?</quote>Depends on if it's original content or reuploads </quote> reuploads from pay sites. bobbaaay posted...</cite> <quote>-Cipher- posted... </cite> <quote>Depends on if it's original content or reuploads</quote> I can't have an opinion because i literally see zero appeal to professional porn. Amateur or gtfo </quote> I watch amateur too but just wondering if the arguments apply or it changes when it comes to porn.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-Cipher- 09/03/19 7:27:59 PM #81:	MisterPorn posted... reuploads from pay sites. I watch amateur too but just wondering if the arguments apply or it changes when it comes to porn. generally reuploading from anywhere, paid or not is an infringement of copyright if you don't give proper credit <cite>-Cipher- posted [p:926926252] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>MisterPorn posted... </cite> <quote>reuploads from pay sites. I watch amateur too but just wondering if the arguments apply or it changes when it comes to porn.</quote> generally reuploading from anywhere, paid or not is an infringement of copyright if you don't give proper credit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
indica 09/03/19 11:50:36 PM #82:	bover_87 posted... IMO piracy not for profit should be legalized, it's not the government's job to protect corporate profits. For-profit piracy (e.g. selling counterfeit software) needs to die in a hole though. --- There is no good. There is no evil. There just is. <cite>indica posted [p:926937319] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>bover_87 posted...</cite> <quote>IMO piracy not for profit should be legalized, it's not the government's job to protect corporate profits. For-profit piracy (e.g. selling counterfeit software) needs to die in a hole though.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 09/06/19 5:32:50 AM #83:	Another way to look at it... Let's say you pirate almost everything you enjoy. (music, movies, anime, tv, games, software, etc) Now let's say you lost access to 100% of that pirating ability. Are you saying you would give up movies, anime, music, tv, games, software, etc 100% forever? Would you not buy some to enjoy? (paid for streaming counts as buying) --- https://youtube.com/TheYoungTurks http://RightWingWatch.org/ https://DemocraticUnderground.com/?com=latest_threads https://reddit.com/r/The_Mueller/new <cite>Notti posted [p:927049375] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>Another way to look at it... Let's say you pirate almost everything you enjoy. (music, movies, anime, tv, games, software, etc) Now let's say you lost access to 100% of that pirating ability. Are you saying you would give up movies, anime, music, tv, games, software, etc 100% forever? Would you not buy some to enjoy? (paid for streaming counts as buying)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 09/06/19 7:21:41 AM #84:	Notti posted... Another way to look at it... Let's say you pirate almost everything you enjoy. (music, movies, anime, tv, games, software, etc) Now let's say you lost access to 100% of that pirating ability. Are you saying you would give up movies, anime, music, tv, games, software, etc 100% forever? Would you not buy some to enjoy? (paid for streaming counts as buying) On the other hand I wonder what the future will look like in terms of bought digital content. I have so many thousands of dollars worth of purchased games and movies/TV at this point on my PS4 and I wonder how long Ill have access to it. --- "some guys get bored after having sex with a girl....i get bored halfway through having sex with a girl" - No_U_L7 https://i.imgtc.ws/uXfxf6P.png <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:927050982] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>Notti posted...</cite> <quote>Another way to look at it... Let's say you pirate almost everything you enjoy. (music, movies, anime, tv, games, software, etc) Now let's say you lost access to 100% of that pirating ability. Are you saying you would give up movies, anime, music, tv, games, software, etc 100% forever? Would you not buy some to enjoy? (paid for streaming counts as buying)</quote> On the other hand I wonder what the future will look like in terms of bought digital content. I have so many thousands of dollars worth of purchased games and movies/TV at this point on my PS4 and I wonder how long Ill have access to it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModLogic 09/06/19 7:27:04 AM #85:	looking at leaked celebrity nudes makes you every bit the criminal as the people who leaked it stealing potential revenue is theft. hence people that use adblockers are thieves. --- https://i.imgtc.com/PruZV73.png https://imgur.com/lbSi0U3 https://imgur.com/xaRYKZM https://imgur.com/ZngbqJn <cite>ModLogic posted [p:927051074] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>looking at leaked celebrity nudes makes you every bit the criminal as the people who leaked it stealing potential revenue is theft. hence people that use adblockers are thieves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bover_87 09/06/19 7:40:21 AM #86:	ModLogic posted... looking at leaked celebrity nudes makes you every bit the criminal as the people who leaked it stealing potential revenue is theft. hence people that use adblockers are thieves. be sure to run back to your corporate overlords begging for a pat on the head for posting this garbage "take" --- I...I shall consume. Consume...consume everything. ~ [FFRK] rcr6 - Arbiter's Tome/Forbidden Power/Divine Veil Grimoire <cite>bover_87 posted [p:927051321] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>ModLogic posted...</cite> <quote>looking at leaked celebrity nudes makes you every bit the criminal as the people who leaked it stealing potential revenue is theft. hence people that use adblockers are thieves. </quote> be sure to run back to your corporate overlords begging for a pat on the head for posting this garbage "take"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModLogic 09/06/19 7:43:30 AM #87:	you realize im mocking the people who cry about gaming piracy as if it affects them personally --- https://i.imgtc.com/PruZV73.png https://imgur.com/lbSi0U3 https://imgur.com/xaRYKZM https://imgur.com/ZngbqJn <cite>ModLogic posted [p:927051389] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>you realize im mocking the people who cry about gaming piracy as if it affects them personally </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
aki_sora 09/06/19 7:46:20 AM #88:	Free stuff is free --- this is GameFAQs and stating an opinion is a declaration of WAR! <cite>aki_sora posted [p:927051461] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>Free stuff is free</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 09/06/19 10:52:23 AM #89:	ModLogic posted... stealing potential revenue is theft. hence people that use adblockers are thieves. Opportunity theft, so to speak. I don't use adblock, for that reason. I almost had to quit GameFAQs for good a few years ago when the ads were so bad it would lock the whole site up. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:927056895] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>ModLogic posted...</cite> <quote>stealing potential revenue is theft. hence people that use adblockers are thieves.</quote> Opportunity theft, so to speak. I don't use adblock, for that reason. I almost had to quit GameFAQs for good a few years ago when the ads were so bad it would lock the whole site up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 09/08/19 5:33:11 AM #90:	Shablagoo posted... Notti posted... Another way to look at it... Let's say you pirate almost everything you enjoy. (music, movies, anime, tv, games, software, etc) Now let's say you lost access to 100% of that pirating ability. Are you saying you would give up movies, anime, music, tv, games, software, etc 100% forever? Would you not buy some to enjoy? (paid for streaming counts as buying) On the other hand I wonder what the future will look like in terms of bought digital content. I have so many thousands of dollars worth of purchased games and movies/TV at this point on my PS4 and I wonder how long Ill have access to it. That's the most awful thing. When your devices or the service they are on go POOF. If the past is any guide... you might get screwed :( --- https://youtube.com/TheYoungTurks http://RightWingWatch.org/ https://DemocraticUnderground.com/?com=latest_threads https://reddit.com/r/The_Mueller/new <cite>Notti posted [p:927138758] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Notti posted...</cite> <quote>Another way to look at it... Let's say you pirate almost everything you enjoy. (music, movies, anime, tv, games, software, etc) Now let's say you lost access to 100% of that pirating ability. Are you saying you would give up movies, anime, music, tv, games, software, etc 100% forever? Would you not buy some to enjoy? (paid for streaming counts as buying)</quote> On the other hand I wonder what the future will look like in terms of bought digital content. I have so many thousands of dollars worth of purchased games and movies/TV at this point on my PS4 and I wonder how long Ill have access to it.</quote> That's the most awful thing. When your devices or the service they are on go POOF. If the past is any guide... you might get screwed :(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 09/08/19 6:16:35 AM #91:	Yeah and my PS4 definitely seems like it could be on its last legs :( --- "some guys get bored after having sex with a girl....i get bored halfway through having sex with a girl" - No_U_L7 https://i.imgtc.ws/uXfxf6P.png <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:927139295] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>Yeah and my PS4 definitely seems like it could be on its last legs :(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Philoktetes 09/08/19 6:31:05 AM #92:	https://imgur.com/iCqnZVI --- I don't think so, Tim. ~~ Pizza Crew ~~ <cite>Philoktetes posted [p:927139467] in The differ... [t:77981470]...</cite> <quote>https://imgur.com/iCqnZVI</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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