Poll of the Day > FF8 Remastered has mostly negative reviews on steam

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NightMareBunny
09/03/19 11:12:27 PM
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ouch....
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Sarcasthma
09/03/19 11:16:47 PM
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Hooray, another FF8 topic!
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Hop103
09/03/19 11:17:22 PM
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The game is a lazy remaster and heavily censored to boot.
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wwinterj25
09/03/19 11:17:26 PM
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I see NMB is upset. I bet he'll start stamping his feet soon.
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TheWitchMorgana
09/03/19 11:17:58 PM
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Hop103 posted...
heavily censored

explain
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RoboXgp89
09/03/19 11:19:35 PM
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Sony says you can't look at boobies anymore because it's unempowering to manbearpigs
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TheWitchMorgana
09/03/19 11:29:31 PM
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i don't know what that means please speak plainly
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wwinterj25
09/03/19 11:31:26 PM
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Sony censorship apparently. Devil May Cry 5 had it on PS4 too. Didn't stop it being a great game.
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EclairReturns
09/03/19 11:31:28 PM
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TheWitchMorgana posted...
plainly


Square covered up Rinoa's cleavage in her battle model and covered up Siren's nether regions, as far as I know. There may be other instances of censorship, but seeing as I have looked at the board for the game in question only a couple of times, and do not own the game myself, I cannot say what these are.
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TheWitchMorgana
09/03/19 11:32:13 PM
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ahh, probably a ratings thing then
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wwinterj25
09/03/19 11:39:44 PM
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Bulbasaur
09/04/19 12:13:49 AM
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Hop103 posted...
The game is a lazy remaster and heavily censored to boot.

except it is actually neither of those things.
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BlackScythe0
09/04/19 12:40:33 AM
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Hop103 posted...
The game is a lazy remaster and heavily censored to boot.


Uh... I did a google search and saw two things. One was obviously censorship and very minor on the Siren GF.

The other was on Rinoa and could be attributed to new character models. It's probably censorship, but either way I legitimately do not care.

It's not heavily censored.

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Mead
09/04/19 12:41:52 AM
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Square covered up Rinoa's cleavage


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BlackScythe0
09/04/19 1:38:00 AM
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https://imgur.com/dqeyXrC

This doesn't look like censorship to me. It just looks like a higher quality model.

Also the article I read suggested the higher quality texture on Siren could have looked like pubic hair which having read that I can kinda see it.

I'm normally very anti-censorship in games but I'm having a great deal of trouble caring in these two rather minor instances.
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Bulbasaur
09/04/19 1:41:38 AM
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not to mention siren looks hella better now without shoving her hairy bush in your face

also without mentioning, they left shiva alone, and shiva is 100% nude.
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NightMareBunny
09/04/19 1:44:00 AM
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does it deserve all these negative user reviews on steam?
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BlackScythe0
09/04/19 1:51:53 AM
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NightMareBunny posted...
does it deserve all these negative user reviews on steam?


Best I can tell no.

This seems like one of those knee jerks "Someone said bad things about it so we're going to flood it!" I'm pretty sure I heard the music issue of a previous remaster was fixed in this one so the one legitimate outrage I can think of should be there. And yes it would be legitimate Uematsu is a master.

Edit: I'm reading some reviews and will comment.

It's semi-legitimate. The reviews aren't on the product as is but what they expected or wanted. Generally it kind of sounds like people wanted a remake more than a remaster. I saw one dude complaining that he didn't get it as a free update to his PC version from back in the day, lol.

The 4:3 ratio is because they didn't redraw backgrounds. That was the most frequent complaint. I actually get this one.

New models make the backgrounds look blurry, but that is just the difference in quality.

Generally people don't seem to know that Square apparently had a habit of throwing away source code and starting fresh with new games (this is actually apparently completely serious) and they actually did have to put a decent amount of work into this remaster. But when you see the finished product it feels like no work went into it because it's basically just updated models with cheats.
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zebatov
09/04/19 2:04:18 AM
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Strike against Sony. They were always the adult console. Brutal. Glad I was never really a fan after the PS2.

Any censorship is bad censorship because if you give an inch, theyll take a mile.

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Bulbasaur
09/04/19 2:18:21 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Generally people don't seem to know that Square apparently had a habit of throwing away source code and starting fresh with new games (this is actually apparently completely serious) and they actually did have to put a decent amount of work into this remaster. But when you see the finished product it feels like no work went into it because it's basically just updated models with cheats.

actually this is entirely the reason why FF8 was neglected for 20 years.

the previous steam pc port was literally just the existing pc version of the game from 20 years ago, and since there was no source code, they couldn't do a thing with ff8. it wasn't until recently they actually reverse engineered it, and now that's why we got this port, and it's on consoles.

it's also why, in terms of ports, 9's came out some time ago despite not even having a pc version to begin with.
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TheWitchMorgana
09/04/19 5:59:30 PM
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zebatov posted...
Any censorship is bad censorship because if you give an inch, theyll take a mile.

yeah the problem with that is nobody knows what censorship actually is anymore, so they will literally think a new model having a (VERY) slightly less revealing costume is that. it happened with tifa in FF7R too, and that's a totally new game so you can't even say they went in and changed an existing thing. the word doesn't really mean anything anymore

pretty sure you can still play all these games in their original states anyway, which means they are by definition not censored, but what do i know
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FinalFantasyVII
09/04/19 7:06:08 PM
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I respect what my dog thinks of FFVIII more than Steam virgins
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Blaqthourne
09/04/19 7:24:04 PM
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But censorship can be awesome when it gives us gems like this:
https://www.schnittberichte.com//www/SBs/5975526/brunpc.jpg
https://www.schnittberichte.com//www/SBs/5975526/brunsnes.jpg
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Lokarin
09/04/19 7:28:15 PM
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And censorship is largely what made FF6 so memorable and BETTER than its original version.
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Mead
09/04/19 8:06:20 PM
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Lokarin posted...
And censorship is largely what made FF6 so memorable and BETTER than its original version.


Hows that?

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Lokarin
09/04/19 8:07:49 PM
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Mead posted...
Lokarin posted...
And censorship is largely what made FF6 so memorable and BETTER than its original version.


Hows that?


The amazing talent of localizer Ted Woolsey.
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Hop103
09/04/19 8:29:23 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Mead posted...
Lokarin posted...
And censorship is largely what made FF6 so memorable and BETTER than its original version.


Hows that?


The amazing talent of localizer Ted Woolsey.


FFV with Woosley script>FFVI
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Moonjay
09/04/19 8:41:57 PM
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Son of a submariner!
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funbot
09/04/19 8:55:30 PM
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TheWitchMorgana posted...
Hop103 posted...
heavily censored

explain

How dare they cover the feathery crotch of Siren!

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Lokarin
09/04/19 9:46:53 PM
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Moonjay posted...
Son of a submariner!


This is often criticized as not making sense...

But I have to point out, dude... he LIVES IN A SUBMARINE CASTLE
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Sarcasthma
09/04/19 9:52:10 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Moonjay posted...
Son of a submariner!


This is often criticized as not making sense...

But I have to point out, dude... he LIVES IN A SUBMARINE CASTLE

And alliterations dont have to make sense!
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ninja_lootz
09/04/19 10:28:48 PM
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Man, I really hate Squall's new model. Looks nothing like him.

Edit - Looking more into it; all the models I've seen are worse.

And the world map looks like shit compared to the original. It's blurry and the tiles are much more noticeable.

FF9 had a similar problem with the tiles, but the models for everything were so much better.
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Moonjay
09/04/19 10:58:19 PM
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Sometimes alliterative cursing is better when it doesn't make any sense.
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Bulbasaur
09/04/19 11:00:58 PM
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ninja_lootz posted...
Man, I really hate Squall's new model. Looks nothing like him.

it looks just like him

like it's literally his dissidia model.

ninja_lootz posted...
Looking more into it; all the models I've seen are worse.

no?

zell looks fantastic now.

ninja_lootz posted...
And the world map looks like shit compared to the original. It's blurry and the tiles are much more noticeable.

blame that on the world map. it's just being upscaled. it's literally the original world map.
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BUMPED2002
09/04/19 11:06:27 PM
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I'm just waiting on FF7!
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Miroku_of_Nite1
09/04/19 11:40:48 PM
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ninja_lootz posted...
Man, I really hate Squall's new model. Looks nothing like him.

l6dgH8G

BlackScythe0 posted...
Generally people don't seem to know that Square apparently had a habit of throwing away source code and starting fresh with new games (this is actually apparently completely serious)


The reasoning behind it was hard drive space. I know of some high quality background renders of FFIX exist. Saved because some translator found them and kept them.
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ninja_lootz
09/05/19 12:09:30 AM
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Bulbasaur posted...
like it's literally his dissidia model.

How about they make him look like he does in the FMVs?

Bulbasaur posted...
no?

zell looks fantastic now.

No? Zell looks off. Like his face is feminine or something.

Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...
l6dgH8G

http://www.ffshrine.org/ff8/fmvshots-disc1/07-dance/00055.jpg
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Bulbasaur
09/05/19 12:43:47 AM
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ninja_lootz posted...
How about they make him look like he does in the FMVs

because that's hella work when the current model is just fine?

oh wait

https://imgur.com/a/XmYQ9rZ

that does look like his face in the cgi cutscenes, actually
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EclairReturns
09/05/19 12:49:02 AM
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Lokarin posted...
SUBMARINE CASTLE


"Submarine" means "underwater", not "under the desert", I think.
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RoboXgp89
09/05/19 12:52:31 AM
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it looks nothing like squall to me personally

looks more like that kid from kingdom hearts

i always thought squall had more asian looking eyes that were black/brown when i played the game
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GrimCyclone
09/05/19 12:57:39 AM
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Censorship doesn't really anger me. Neckbeards defending the ideology behind it do. Never in my life did i think i would see secular "men" defending the more modest clothing.

It's one thing when religions do it. When secular humanists do it, that means we're fucked. I cannot stand moral busy bodies. But when they are neckbeard gamers? That's just fucking sad.
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Blaqthourne
09/05/19 12:57:52 AM
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EclairReturns posted...
Lokarin posted...
SUBMARINE CASTLE


"Submarine" means "underwater", not "under the desert", I think.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/submarine
"submarine

verb

submarined; submarining

Definition of submarine (Entry 3 of 3)

transitive verb

: to attack by or as if by a submarine : attack from beneath

intransitive verb

: to dive or slide under something"

It doesn't necessarily have to be water-related.
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Lokarin
09/05/19 1:23:38 AM
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plus it goes under the river/lake
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BlackScythe0
09/05/19 1:28:51 AM
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GrimCyclone posted...
Censorship doesn't really anger me. Neckbeards defending the ideology behind it do. Never in my life did i think i would see secular "men" defending the more modest clothing.

It's one thing when religions do it. When secular humanists do it, that means we're fucked. I cannot stand moral busy bodies. But when they are neckbeard gamers? That's just fucking sad.


Is it defending censorship to say you don't think it is censorship?

Because honestly I don't think Rinoa is censored. I think it's just where it's a higher quality model. Her boobs even look bigger in the new model.
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EclairReturns
09/05/19 1:43:41 AM
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Blaqthourne posted...
doesn't necessarily have to be water-related


Huh, my mistake. I guess I was interpreting the Latin parts of the word too literally.
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Broken_Zeus
09/05/19 3:16:46 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
https://imgur.com/dqeyXrC

This doesn't look like censorship to me. It just looks like a higher quality model.


idk, the quantity of cleavage clearly went down.
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Bulbasaur
09/05/19 3:31:30 AM
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her cleavage sucked anyways
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RoboXgp89
09/05/19 3:49:54 AM
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i dunno
i didn't like tifa having giant breast either
it just takes final fantasy and spins it into some pervy creep fest full of bimbos
almost like what they did with resident evil
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