Current Events > Breaking: House of Commons passes bill preventing no-deal Brexit

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https://www.cnn.com/uk/live-news/boris-johnson-brexit-wednesday-dle-gbr-intl/index.html

British lawmakers have passed a bill aimed at preventing a no-deal Brexit, in another blow to Prime Minster Boris Johnson.

It cleared the House of Commons by 327 votes to 299.

It now goes to the House of Lords where it will likely face extensive delaying tactics.

Conservative peers, who do not have a majority in the upper house, want to prevent the motion being passed in Wednesday's session. If they succeed, that could prevent it becoming law before Johnson suspends Parliament early next week.
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Isn't that yesterday's news?
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Antifar posted...

Isn't that yesterday's news?

Just happened 15 minutes ago.
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Sorry, didn't realize this was a new vote on the matter.
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Antifar posted...

Sorry, didn't realize this was a new vote on the matter.

No worries my friend.
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brestugo posted...

Antifar posted...

Isn't that yesterday's news?

Just happened 15 minutes ago.

15 minutes ago yesterday?
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It could be moot if Boris Johnson gets his early election
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Fuck you Boris.
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Who the hell names a child "Boris"
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PleaseClap posted...

Who the hell names a child "Boris"

Russians

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Can someone explain what this means to me?
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MaxEffingBemis posted...

Can someone explain what this means to me?

People are starting to realize Boris is a cunning fucker and they need to stop him
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PleaseClap posted...

Who the hell names a child "Boris"

Tbf it's his middle name
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MaxEffingBemis posted...

Can someone explain what this means to me?

More details here: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49580185

It forces the UK PM to request another extension on Brexit from the EU if they can't reach a deal by the October deadline. While the EU doesn't technically have to offer a delay, they almost certainly will.

EDIT:

Functionally, I don't see this meaning anything other than that Brexit is dead. The delay means another few months of fighting with the EU to draft a new plan, except the deal the EU isn't budging on was already rejected 3 separate times by parliament. There's no path forward after multiple years of trying that will both pass EU and Parliament muster, meaning its impossible to follow through on the referendum without a "hard Brexit." Since this makes it crystal clear that the commons will do everything in their power to prevent that, the only remaining path forward is to cancel Brexit.
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Idiots really need to just suck it up and realize this stupid movement was a bad idea, and do the right thing
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Why has this brexit stuff been so hard to actually do anyways?
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I feel like there should be another vote on Brexit at this point now that people have had a chance to see the consequences.

Seems like a lot of people are getting cold feet because they didn't realize how bad an idea it would end up being

It now goes to the House of Lords where it will likely face extensive delaying tactics.

Conservative peers, who do not have a majority in the upper house, want to prevent the motion being passed in Wednesday's session. If they succeed, that could prevent it becoming law before Johnson suspends Parliament early next week.

Enough with this anti-democratic shit. Anyone who tries to stall this out so the UK can crash out of the EU needs to be voted out next election (which is soon, as I understand it).

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PleaseClap posted...

Who the hell names a child "Boris"

Pretty cool name if you ask me

The names you usually hear are kinda boring tbh
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Alpha218 posted...

It now goes to the House of Lords where it will likely face extensive delaying tactics.

Conservative peers, who do not have a majority in the upper house, want to prevent the motion being passed in Wednesday's session. If they succeed, that could prevent it becoming law before Johnson suspends Parliament early next week.

Enough with this anti-democratic shit. Anyone who tries to stall this out so the UK can crash out of the EU needs to be voted out next election (which is soon, as I understand it).

Lol shut the actual goddamn fuck up. Anti-democratic my ass.
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uwnim posted...

Why has this brexit stuff been so hard to actually do anyways?

Because the UK is in a bad position without the EU so they're trying to negotiate to a better position, while the EU isn't willing to concede to the UK's demands
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ASithLord7 posted...

Alpha218 posted...

It now goes to the House of Lords where it will likely face extensive delaying tactics.

Conservative peers, who do not have a majority in the upper house, want to prevent the motion being passed in Wednesday's session. If they succeed, that could prevent it becoming law before Johnson suspends Parliament early next week.

Enough with this anti-democratic shit. Anyone who tries to stall this out so the UK can crash out of the EU needs to be voted out next election (which is soon, as I understand it).

Lol shut the actual goddamn fuck up. Anti-democratic my ass.

Probably one of the mods that deletes every topic about Trump even when its partially satire or when he disagrees with something said.

EmeralDragon23 posted...

uwnim posted...

Why has this brexit stuff been so hard to actually do anyways?

Because the UK is in a bad position without the EU so they're trying to negotiate to a better position, while the EU isn't willing to concede to the UK's demands

So, pretty much they did something stupid. Everyone realizes it is stupid. But no one can actually just say it was stupid?
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uwnim posted...

EmeralDragon23 posted...

uwnim posted...

Why has this brexit stuff been so hard to actually do anyways?

Because the UK is in a bad position without the EU so they're trying to negotiate to a better position, while the EU isn't willing to concede to the UK's demands

So, pretty much they did something stupid. Everyone realizes it is stupid. But no one can actually just say it was stupid?

Bit more complex than that. It involves EU checks, Ireland, etc.

but when you get down to it...yeah, that's about it.
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uwnim posted...

EmeralDragon23 posted...

uwnim posted...

Why has this brexit stuff been so hard to actually do anyways?

Because the UK is in a bad position without the EU so they're trying to negotiate to a better position, while the EU isn't willing to concede to the UK's demands

So, pretty much they did something stupid. Everyone realizes it is stupid. But no one can actually just say it was stupid?

UK politics is a lot smaller than in the US. People actively pay attention to politics, politicians can and do get voted out all the time, party control of regions flips all the time based on actual performance, and so local representatives actually doing what their constituents want is a big deal to them. The reason this ties into Brexit is because of the referendum. The UK populace (whether you think they were informed or not) voted to leave the EU. Failure to do so is seen by them as a fundamental failure of democracy because the government would be directly ignoring the spoken will of the people. Even politicians who don't believe it is good for the country are in many cases supporting it if their constituents voted for it, because they believe it is their job to implement the will of the people.

The reason people are so adamant against a second referendum is in part because it implies if the government asks the people what they want and they don't like the answer, they can just drag it out and vote over and over until they get the answer they want.
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shockthemonkey posted...

...I thought he was calling the conservative stalling tactics anti-democratic, howd you read that?

consider for a moment that this is rebelelite
there is your answer
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s0nicfan posted...

uwnim posted...

EmeralDragon23 posted...

uwnim posted...

Why has this brexit stuff been so hard to actually do anyways?

Because the UK is in a bad position without the EU so they're trying to negotiate to a better position, while the EU isn't willing to concede to the UK's demands

So, pretty much they did something stupid. Everyone realizes it is stupid. But no one can actually just say it was stupid?

UK politics is a lot smaller than in the US. People actively pay attention to politics, politicians can and do get voted out all the time, party control of regions flips all the time based on actual performance, and so local representatives actually doing what their constituents want is a big deal to them. The reason this ties into Brexit is because of the referendum. The UK populace (whether you think they were informed or not) voted to leave the EU. Failure to do so is seen by them as a fundamental failure of democracy because the government would be directly ignoring the spoken will of the people. Even politicians who don't believe it is good for the country are in many cases supporting it if their constituents voted for it, because they believe it is their job to implement the will of the people.

The reason people are so adamant against a second referendum is in part because it implies if the government asks the people what they want and they don't like the answer, they can just drag it out and vote over and over until they get the answer they want.

Also this.

They can't NOT leave the EU because people voted to do so. Would they vote to leave again? No, probably not, but they did. So now they have to.
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Long story short:

There was a simple leave or remain referendum in 2016.

Leave won 52% to 48%.

However, leave was never technically defined.

There's been three years of arguing about how to leave, although not leaving is better than any form of leaving.

Rather than having a second ref to ask how to leave (with a deal, remain in the EEA, no deal etc) they've just decided to make it up as they go along and apply "will of the people, the people voted for exactly this version!" to various versions of brexit.

The current shit show is the worst of them all, no deal. Which means leaving and tearing up all of our international trade agreements over night (even ones with other non-eu countries are done through the EU, so that's all of them), not having all of our laws prepared and fucking the economy up as businesses have no idea how they'll be trading.

Idiots exclaim this is what people voted for when it was never mentioned that no deal is how the UK would leave during the referendum in 2016.
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They really should have come up with a plan before even suggesting the referendum
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MaxEffingBemis posted...

Can someone explain what this means to me?

Labour continue to be cowards.
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ASithLord7 posted...

Lol shut the actual goddamn fuck up. Anti-democratic my ass.

Boris Johnson hasnt faced an election by the people and hes trying to shut down Parliament to force a no-deal Brexit which is terrible for everyone. Youre really going to argue that the PM (who doesnt even hold a majority in parliament anymore, I might add) unilaterally forcing something that has such widespread consequences through is healthy for democracy?

Agnostic420 posted...

Probably one of the mods that deletes every topic about Trump even when its partially satire or when he disagrees with something said.

I am entitled to my own liberal political views whether you like them or not. Just because Im a mod doesnt mean Im not allowed to have opinions on things like a normal person would. The way I personally feel about politics has nothing to do with moderation.

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If I wasn't from here and my gf wasn't from the mainland it would be total lols watching this shit show unfold.

Unfortunately, my life is deffo going to be effected in some form unless we cancel the whole thing.
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Hicks233 posted...

MaxEffingBemis posted...

Can someone explain what this means to me?

Labour continue to be cowards.

You want them to be stupid and literally do what Dominic Cummings wants?

Lol
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Alpha218 posted...

Enough with this anti-democratic shit. Anyone who tries to stall this out so the UK can crash out of the EU needs to be voted out next election (which is soon, as I understand it).

Members of the House of Lords aren't elected. By the common people anyway.

Oatcakes posted...

If I wasn't from here and my gf wasn't from the mainland it would be total lols watching this shit show unfold.

Unfortunately, my life is deffo going to be effected in some form unless we cancel the whole thing.

It's weird being in Ireland.
"haha yeah fuck the English they deserve this"
No, you stupid fucks, nobody deserves chaos and a fucking potential massive fuck up that could make them a third world country
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

Oatcakes posted...

If I wasn't from here and my gf wasn't from the mainland it would be total lols watching this shit show unfold.

Unfortunately, my life is deffo going to be effected in some form unless we cancel the whole thing.

It's weird being in Ireland.
"haha yeah fuck the English they deserve this"
No, you stupid fucks, nobody deserves chaos and a fucking potential massive fuck up that could make them a third world country

If it all goes to shit, I fortunately have a grandma who was born in N. Ireland so have access to an EU passport.

Can stay with the (one day they will be) in-laws in Slovenia
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s0nicfan posted...

The reason people are so adamant against a second referendum is in part because it implies if the government asks the people what they want and they don't like the answer, they can just drag it out and vote over and over until they get the answer they want.

That seems familiar, somehow...

JE19426 posted...

Members of the House of Lords aren't elected. By the common people anyway.

Thats true. I forgot about that tbh (and not really a fan of it). Still I have no respect for Boris Johnson and the goons that are enabling this power grab by him.

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Also, I feel sorry for people near the border and in Belfast if the DUP and Tories cause the troubles again
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Oatcakes posted...

Hicks233 posted...

MaxEffingBemis posted...

Can someone explain what this means to me?

Labour continue to be cowards.

You want them to be stupid and literally do what Dominic Cummings wants?

Lol

I want them to understand that just as there started to be a crack forming in the EU negotiators when the threat of leaving on WTO terms started to register with them and concessions were likely to be made, that removing that threat of leaving without a deal means there is no reason now for the EU to negotiate - they can get what they want because the cowards in the House of Commons will bend over and take it.

Labour are either: stupid, cowards or wilfully advancing a foreign parties interests over those of the nation they were elected to represent.

It's Labour, so it's no surprise, but for fucks sake, if you've got a good card in your hand - you don't give the fucker up and then beg to be able to pay billions to the other player on top of it.

Hopefully the PM advises the Queen to not give the bill Royal Ascent, an election gets forced and with a little luck Labour gets decimated.
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s0nicfan posted...

uwnim posted...

EmeralDragon23 posted...

uwnim posted...

Why has this brexit stuff been so hard to actually do anyways?

Because the UK is in a bad position without the EU so they're trying to negotiate to a better position, while the EU isn't willing to concede to the UK's demands

So, pretty much they did something stupid. Everyone realizes it is stupid. But no one can actually just say it was stupid?

UK politics is a lot smaller than in the US. People actively pay attention to politics, politicians can and do get voted out all the time, party control of regions flips all the time based on actual performance, and so local representatives actually doing what their constituents want is a big deal to them. The reason this ties into Brexit is because of the referendum. The UK populace (whether you think they were informed or not) voted to leave the EU. Failure to do so is seen by them as a fundamental failure of democracy because the government would be directly ignoring the spoken will of the people. Even politicians who don't believe it is good for the country are in many cases supporting it if their constituents voted for it, because they believe it is their job to implement the will of the people.

The reason people are so adamant against a second referendum is in part because it implies if the government asks the people what they want and they don't like the answer, they can just drag it out and vote over and over until they get the answer they want.

Hmm... Ok. So they have to leave somehow then.

Oatcakes posted...

The current shit show is the worst of them all, no deal. Which means leaving and tearing up all of our international trade agreements over night (even ones with other non-eu countries are done through the EU, so that's all of them), not having all of our laws prepared and fucking the economy up as businesses have no idea how they'll be trading.

The UK hasn't been using like the past 3 years to make new trade agreements and getting things ready so if worst comes to worst, they aren't totally fucked? o_O
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If you think that the EU will throw Ireland under the bus by removing the backstop (Google what the definition of a backstop is), making the EU pointless, then I really don't know what to say.
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@uwnim

The UK has tried, but most places haven't "rolled over" trade agreements because, why would they if they can get stuff tariff free (apparently guys we'll have no tariffs on lots of stuff!) without a trade agreement because the UK can deffo (!) survive just trading on WTO terms.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

s0nicfan posted...

The reason people are so adamant against a second referendum is in part because it implies if the government asks the people what they want and they don't like the answer, they can just drag it out and vote over and over until they get the answer they want.

That seems familiar, somehow...

The EU has a long history of forcing "do-overs" to votes they don't like, Ireland being perhaps the most famous, followed by Greece:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/dec/13/eu-ireland-lisbon-treaty

https://www.politico.eu/article/legality-of-greek-vote-challenged/
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uwnim posted...

The UK hasn't been using like the past 3 years to make new trade agreements and getting things ready so if worst comes to worst, they aren't totally fucked? o_O

That would have been the logical thing to do.
Instead, they scream at each others and acts like children.
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Oatcakes posted...

Also, I feel sorry for people near the border and in Belfast if the DUP and Tories cause the troubles again

If anything, the north will leave the UK, and unify Ireland.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/United_Kingdom_EU_referendum_2016_area_results.svg

s0nicfan posted...

The reason people are so adamant against a second referendum is in part because it implies if the government asks the people what they want and they don't like the answer, they can just drag it out and vote over and over until they get the answer they want.

The people clearly don't want this though, whatever the fuck THIS actually is right now. Give them a chance to show that. Much like in America we'll probably be kicking the oaf out next year.

s0nicfan posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

s0nicfan posted...

The reason people are so adamant against a second referendum is in part because it implies if the government asks the people what they want and they don't like the answer, they can just drag it out and vote over and over until they get the answer they want.

That seems familiar, somehow...

The EU has a long history of forcing "do-overs" to votes they don't like, Ireland being perhaps the most famous, followed by Greece:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/dec/13/eu-ireland-lisbon-treaty

https://www.politico.eu/article/legality-of-greek-vote-challenged/

AFAIK the Irish rejected, then they had a vote again after it was amended. Do you not think changing your mind after something has changed is wise or not?
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Oatcakes posted...

If you think that the EU will throw Ireland under the bus by removing the backstop (Google what the definition of a backstop is), making the EU pointless, then I really don't know what to say.

I'm not just concerned about the backstop. Truth be told I'd be happy to see Northern Ireland get the choice over whether it wants to unify with Ireland. Separately, I'd be very happy to be rid of Scotland. They can be funded by the EU instead and find something and someone else to bitch and whine about once they're separate from England. I doubt they'll be too keen to make up the budget shortfall they'd experience with higher taxation so they can continue to have free tuition.

The withdrawal agreement in the most part is an odious piece of shit. The only parts in it that really ought to be maintained: are the atomic energy and waste disposal provisions [Title IX Articles 79-85. The bulk of it is giving the EU money for fuck all in return, maintaining structures for the EU's benefit with lots of "shalls" while letting the ECHR have jurisdiction and ceding control.

The Withdrawl Agreement is the EU going "SHIT we're going to have less money!" then fucking the UK for every penny it can. Divorce is almost always messy, it'd be worth it to be free of the bastards though.
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