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CedarPointcp
09/04/19 7:16:30 PM
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do you? - Results (44 votes)
yes
79.55% (35 votes)
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i believe evolution is true but i don't believe it to that extent
13.64% (6 votes)
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i don't believe in evolution
6.82% (3 votes)
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and, are there any users on here who believe that there's a chance evolution could be overturned?
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Fuparulez
09/04/19 7:17:51 PM
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Intelligent design makes far more sense than the belief that life randomly sprung up from nothing. Not creationism, but intelligent design.
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MorbidFaithless
09/04/19 7:18:13 PM
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It's literally scientific fact.

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CedarPointcp
09/04/19 7:18:16 PM
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Fuparulez posted...
Intelligent design makes far more sense than the belief that life randomly sprung up from nothing. Not creationism, but intelligent design.

are you being serious here?
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Sackgurl
09/04/19 7:18:47 PM
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Fuparulez posted...
Intelligent design makes far more sense than the belief that life randomly sprung up from nothing. Not creationism, but intelligent design.


evolution isn't a discussion of abiogenesis
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DarkRoast
09/04/19 7:20:13 PM
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It's scientific fact.

Anyone who disagrees

1) Doesn't know what evolution is
2) Likely believes it's abiogenesis
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Fuparulez
09/04/19 7:22:20 PM
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Of course I'm being serious. The funny thing is that most of the pro evolution arguments make more of a case for intelligent design.

Venus, Earth, and Mars were three science experiments by an advanced culture. They terraformed the three of them, which is something we've proposed, then they engineered life to exist in every place, which is something we dabble with. Venus and Mars obviously failed. Look at the places life exists. Stuff living at the bottom of the ocean. That defies nature. Why would stuff want to live there when it could live... anywhere else. Somebody biologically engineered those creatures and put them there.

"But we have vestigial organs, that's proof of evolution!" "We're 80% genetically similar to lettuce, that's proof of evolution!" No, that's just proof of lazy biological programmers. You ever done any coding? When you start a new task, you don't start from scratch. You take existing code and modify it to do what you need and extemporaneous code that doesn't hurt anything? Most of the time it gets left in. That's what our DNA is. Source code. Somebody wrote it.
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Rikiaz
09/04/19 7:25:10 PM
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MorbidFaithless posted...
It's literally scientific fact.

This. A scientific theory doesn't mean that it's not a proven fact.
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HasaDiga
09/04/19 7:30:16 PM
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Fuparulez posted...
Intelligent design makes far more sense than the belief that life randomly sprung up from nothing. Not creationism, but intelligent design.

The concept of the origin of existence IS mind-boggling, but we don't need to basically take it to "I don't understand it, therefore it must be magic."
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Dragonblade01
09/04/19 7:30:20 PM
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Evolution is a direcly observable phenomenon.
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I Like Toast
09/04/19 7:31:34 PM
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Fuparulez posted...
Intelligent design makes far more sense than the belief that life randomly sprung up from nothing. Not creationism, but intelligent design.


Evolution isn't about how life started its about what happened after it started


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ThyCorndog
09/04/19 7:32:12 PM
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Dragonblade01 posted...
Evolution is a direcly observable phenomenon.

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joe40001
09/04/19 7:32:23 PM
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For all effects and purposes it's true. But aside from logic itself and the truths it can derive I don't treat anything else as 100%
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Lorenzo_2003
09/04/19 7:32:41 PM
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Sackgurl posted...
Fuparulez posted...
Intelligent design makes far more sense than the belief that life randomly sprung up from nothing. Not creationism, but intelligent design.


evolution isn't a discussion of abiogenesis


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Notti
09/04/19 7:33:43 PM
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Fuparulez posted...
Of course I'm being serious. The funny thing is that most of the pro evolution arguments make more of a case for intelligent design.

Venus, Earth, and Mars were three science experiments by an advanced culture. They terraformed the three of them, which is something we've proposed, then they engineered life to exist in every place, which is something we dabble with. Venus and Mars obviously failed. Look at the places life exists. Stuff living at the bottom of the ocean. That defies nature. Why would stuff want to live there when it could live... anywhere else. Somebody biologically engineered those creatures and put them there.

"But we have vestigial organs, that's proof of evolution!" "We're 80% genetically similar to lettuce, that's proof of evolution!" No, that's just proof of lazy biological programmers. You ever done any coding? When you start a new task, you don't start from scratch. You take existing code and modify it to do what you need and extemporaneous code that doesn't hurt anything? Most of the time it gets left in. That's what our DNA is. Source code. Somebody wrote it.


Nah.

If you insist on the code analogy.... ERVs in our DNA show that life has common ancestry like source code forking over and over and over.

If you line up all the ERV invasions in our DNA they produce... a tree. A tree of evolution.
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I Like Toast
09/04/19 7:33:53 PM
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Sackgurl posted...
abiogenesis
abiogenesis
/bjenss/

Learn to pronounce
noun
the original evolution of life or living organisms from inorganic or inanimate substances.


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Dragonblade01
09/04/19 7:35:33 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
Sackgurl posted...
abiogenesis
abiogenesis
/bjenss/

Learn to pronounce
noun
the original evolution of life or living organisms from inorganic or inanimate substances.


The dictionary isn't using the scientific term "evolution" in that definition.
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DarkRoast
09/04/19 7:36:12 PM
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Fuparulez posted...
Of course I'm being serious. The funny thing is that most of the pro evolution arguments make more of a case for intelligent design.

Venus, Earth, and Mars were three science experiments by an advanced culture. They terraformed the three of them, which is something we've proposed, then they engineered life to exist in every place, which is something we dabble with. Venus and Mars obviously failed. Look at the places life exists. Stuff living at the bottom of the ocean. That defies nature. Why would stuff want to live there when it could live... anywhere else. Somebody biologically engineered those creatures and put them there.

"But we have vestigial organs, that's proof of evolution!" "We're 80% genetically similar to lettuce, that's proof of evolution!" No, that's just proof of lazy biological programmers. You ever done any coding? When you start a new task, you don't start from scratch. You take existing code and modify it to do what you need and extemporaneous code that doesn't hurt anything? Most of the time it gets left in. That's what our DNA is. Source code. Somebody wrote it.


As someone with a doctoral-level education in the biosciences, do please stop while you're ahead.
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I Like Toast
09/04/19 7:36:19 PM
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Dragonblade01 posted...
The dictionary isn't using the scientific term "evolution" in that definition.


I'm making a joke I already agreed with their point

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DarkRoast
09/04/19 7:37:06 PM
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Evolution has literally been observed. In controlled clinical settings.
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The Nintendo Master
09/04/19 7:39:25 PM
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There's a big difference in micro vs macro evolution.
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FrankGoreHOF
09/04/19 7:39:33 PM
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Lol the #2 troll post
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Dragonblade01
09/04/19 7:40:05 PM
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The Nintendo Master posted...
There's a big difference in micro vs macro evolution.

Yeah, time.
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DarkRoast
09/04/19 7:40:21 PM
#25:


The Nintendo Master posted...
There's a big difference in micro vs macro evolution.


There is no "micro" or "macro" evolution.

Evolution is one thing. The accumulation of mutations in the genetic code over time.

Natural selection is (slightly) more theoretical, which would lead to what you think is "macro evolution"
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_Rinku_
09/04/19 7:48:05 PM
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Yes, in so far as we can prove anything as 100% fact. 99.9% isn't good enough for some naysayers, but I'm disinclined to put any weight in the opinions of people who think the world is six thousand years old.
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Squall28
09/04/19 7:50:36 PM
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99%

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D_Fen_Door
09/04/19 7:52:25 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
Fuparulez posted...
Of course I'm being serious. The funny thing is that most of the pro evolution arguments make more of a case for intelligent design.

Venus, Earth, and Mars were three science experiments by an advanced culture. They terraformed the three of them, which is something we've proposed, then they engineered life to exist in every place, which is something we dabble with. Venus and Mars obviously failed. Look at the places life exists. Stuff living at the bottom of the ocean. That defies nature. Why would stuff want to live there when it could live... anywhere else. Somebody biologically engineered those creatures and put them there.

"But we have vestigial organs, that's proof of evolution!" "We're 80% genetically similar to lettuce, that's proof of evolution!" No, that's just proof of lazy biological programmers. You ever done any coding? When you start a new task, you don't start from scratch. You take existing code and modify it to do what you need and extemporaneous code that doesn't hurt anything? Most of the time it gets left in. That's what our DNA is. Source code. Somebody wrote it.


As someone with a doctoral-level education in the biosciences, do please stop while you're ahead.


Met people with similar qualifications that dont believe in it.
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CedarPointcp
09/06/19 1:21:02 PM
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COVxy
09/06/19 1:22:58 PM
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Rikiaz posted...
MorbidFaithless posted...
It's literally scientific fact.

This. A scientific theory doesn't mean that it's not a proven fact.


I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
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DonaldClinton
09/06/19 1:24:48 PM
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Its 100% FAKE NEWS because Jesus and the Bible told me so
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nemu
09/06/19 1:28:17 PM
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Yes. Anyone who disagrees really just has no intention of actually looking at it. They're just holding their ears and screaming at the top of their lungs in utter ignorance.
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Tyranthraxus
09/06/19 1:30:15 PM
#34:


Fuparulez posted...
Intelligent design makes far more sense than the belief that life randomly sprung up from nothing. Not creationism, but intelligent design.


Life did not spring up randomly but that has nothing to do with intelligent design and neither intelligent design nor creationism are valid.

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DonaldClinton
09/06/19 1:30:25 PM
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@nemu posted...
Yes. Anyone who disagrees really just has no intention of actually looking at it. They're just holding their ears and screaming at the top of their lungs in utter ignorance.

What do you think about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp1eZdtkdQM" data-time="

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Unsugarized_Foo
09/06/19 1:31:13 PM
#36:


COVxy posted...
Rikiaz posted...
MorbidFaithless posted...
It's literally scientific fact.

This. A scientific theory doesn't mean that it's not a proven fact.


I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.


I was gonna say stuff but I'm lazy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_fact_and_theory

Tl;Dr you're both not wrong
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Smashingpmkns
09/06/19 1:32:31 PM
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Yall ever look at a butthole and think "wow God really spent all this time etching the lines of where we poop out of"?
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COVxy
09/06/19 1:34:19 PM
#38:


Unsugarized_Foo posted...
COVxy posted...
Rikiaz posted...
MorbidFaithless posted...
It's literally scientific fact.

This. A scientific theory doesn't mean that it's not a proven fact.


I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.


I was gonna say stuff but I'm lazy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_fact_and_theory

Tl;Dr you're both not wrong


It's kinda silly. The only "facts" in science are actual data. And to suggest having data makes a theory both fact and theory is silly. Because then all theories are both fact and theory.
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Unsugarized_Foo
09/06/19 1:35:55 PM
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Evolution is special and has it's own wiki page tho
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Tyranthraxus
09/06/19 1:37:23 PM
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COVxy posted...
It's kinda silly. The only "facts" in science are actual data. And to suggest having data makes a theory both fact and theory is silly. Because then all theories are both fact and theory.


Well the theory is an attempt to explain the facts. And sometimes the theory is wrong but that doesn't mean the facts are wrong.

Thus Evolution is a fact.

The theory of evolution is just an attempt to explain it.

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COVxy
09/06/19 1:41:56 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
COVxy posted...
It's kinda silly. The only "facts" in science are actual data. And to suggest having data makes a theory both fact and theory is silly. Because then all theories are both fact and theory.


Well the theory is an attempt to explain the facts. And sometimes the theory is wrong but that doesn't mean the facts are wrong.

Thus Evolution is a fact.

The theory of evolution is just an attempt to explain it.


The only reason you're seeing it explained that way, the only reason there's a specific wiki entry re:evolution like that, is because evolution has been politicized. It's a way to play with words to lazily argue a point that could be better made appropriately.
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KJBDEFENDER
09/06/19 1:42:00 PM
#43:


MorbidFaithless posted...
It's literally scientific fact.

But it's literally NOT a scientific FACT. That's why it's called The THEORY of Evolution, not The LAW of Evolution. You got the Law of Gravity, the Law of Thermodynamics, etc. Provable, demonstrable.

The last two generations have been brainwashed by a leftist education system. Tell a lie long enough and often enough and it won't be long before there is no one left who knows the facts.
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ThyCorndog
09/06/19 1:42:59 PM
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oh noooo

someone's bringing up "laws" as if he knows what they are
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vocedelmorte
09/06/19 1:45:10 PM
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MorbidFaithless posted...
It's literally scientific fact.


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LordFarquad1312
09/06/19 1:46:51 PM
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KJBDEFENDER posted...
You got the Law of Gravity, the Law of Thermodynamics, etc. Provable, demonstrable.

Literally theories too. In fact, our current theory of gravitation was proposed a little more than a century ago. There's absolutely nothing that guarantees we won't come up with a better theory of evolution than our current one.
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GreatEvilEmpire
09/06/19 1:49:00 PM
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The theory that humans evolved from monkeys is so typical of human behavior. We look for any similarities in nature and we make a conclusion about it. There is very little science behind evolution to be honest, just a consensus.

Just because we share some similar traits with monkey doesn't mean we evolve from monkeys. It's like saying a shark evolved from a dolphin because they both swim and have fins.

There is a lack of evidence that humans evolved from monkeys. Humans have always been humans and monkeys have always been monkeys.
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ThyCorndog
09/06/19 1:49:41 PM
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a law is just a mathematical statement that works under certain conditions and caveats. the law of gravity is just a simple statement that doesn't cover everything we know about gravity. the theory of general relativity replaced the "law of gravity" a while ago
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Shadowplay
09/06/19 3:40:37 PM
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Have these alt-lite types regressed so much that they are now identical to evangelicals in their views?
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