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Antifar
09/06/19 12:10:19 PM
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2019/09/04/bill-montgomery-joins-arizona-supreme-court-doug-ducey-rigged-system/2214807001/

In appointing Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery to the Arizona Supreme Court, Gov. Doug Ducey has managed to politicize the last remaining vestige of integrity in state government: the judiciary.

This, without doubt, will be the shining accomplishment of Duceys eight-year run as governor.

At least it wasnt a surprise.

Ducey carefully and meticulously put the mechanism in place that assured he could get Montgomery onto the court, something he had to do after the previously neutral commission recommending candidates for the post found Montgomery unqualified.

Arizona had a reputation for selecting judges based on merit until now.

What Ducey did to get his hyper-political pal on the court took time, patience and a Republican-controlled Legislature.

First, he got Republican lawmakers to add two seats to the Supreme Court, even though the chief justice just said it wasnt necessary.

Then Ducey filled those positions with judges aligned with his political agenda.

Then he politicized a supposedly neutral system for selecting judicial candidates, transforming the Commission on Appellate Court Appointments to make sure the only people who make it through the state's supposedly neutral process would be the candidates Ducey wanted. Like, for instance, Montgomery.

He did this by dumping commission members who hadnt supported Montgomery and replacing them. To do this, Ducey had to pull another fast one. The commission which is meant to reflect the diversity of Arizonas population no longer has a single Democrat on it. So-called "independents" with Republican leanings got the jobs.

Attorney Mark Harrison, a past president of the State Bar of Arizona, said in an op-ed for the Arizona Capitol Times that views of commissioners reported in the media following Montgomerys first appearance before the commission indicate that he was regarded as one of the least qualified of those seeking an appointment to the Supreme Court.

He added, Arizona has a judiciary recognized nationally for its excellence. As the result of the merit selection system, Arizona has been spared the unseemly partisan elections fueled by millions of dollars of special interest money. If the governor wants his legacy to reflect his commitment to merit selection and to an impartial, nonpartisan judiciary, he will appoint one of the several highly qualified candidates on the list sent to him one without Montgomerys political baggage and lack of appellate experience.

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09/06/19 12:17:15 PM
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pogo_rabid
09/06/19 12:22:27 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
This is the national GOP game plan, and has been for years.

Both sides want complete control of everything. That's the point of a political party...
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Hanky_Bannister
09/06/19 12:28:22 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
ScazarMeltex posted...
This is the national GOP game plan, and has been for years.

Both sides want complete control of everything. That's the point of a political party...

which is at odds with the fundamentals of democracy
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CADE FOSTER
09/06/19 12:29:58 PM
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Doom_Art
09/06/19 12:31:50 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
Both sides
B O T H S I D E S
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pogo_rabid
09/06/19 12:33:21 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
pogo_rabid posted...
Both sides
B O T H S I D E S
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Doesn't make me any less correct.
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uwnim
09/06/19 12:34:53 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
ScazarMeltex posted...
This is the national GOP game plan, and has been for years.

Both sides want complete control of everything. That's the point of a political party...

You can't both sides this. Democrats have acted against their own interests way too many times in an attempt to get republicans to like them. Republicans on the other hand consistently make attempts to create a single party state.
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Doom_Art
09/06/19 12:42:33 PM
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GregShmedley posted...
Except it is absolutely true. Hell, you yourself have advocated Democrats do what it takes to control all branches of the government.
True I have done that. I suppose in my mind I see it as more balancing the scales whereas this is kinda just a power grab.

GregShmedley posted...
You don't even live in this country you dishonest hack.
I lived there several years and can still vote in American elections if I wanted

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pogo_rabid
09/06/19 12:55:04 PM
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uwnim posted...
pogo_rabid posted...
ScazarMeltex posted...
This is the national GOP game plan, and has been for years.

Both sides want complete control of everything. That's the point of a political party...

You can't both sides this. Democrats have acted against their own interests way too many times in an attempt to get republicans to like them. Republicans on the other hand consistently make attempts to create a single party state.

I can and I did. What are you gonna do about it?
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KJBDEFENDER
09/06/19 12:57:16 PM
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Antifar posted...
https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2019/09/04/bill-montgomery-joins-arizona-supreme-court-doug-ducey-rigged-system/2214807001/

In appointing Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery to the Arizona Supreme Court, Gov. Doug Ducey has managed to politicize the last remaining vestige of integrity in state government: the judiciary.

This, without doubt, will be the shining accomplishment of Duceys eight-year run as governor.

At least it wasnt a surprise.

Ducey carefully and meticulously put the mechanism in place that assured he could get Montgomery onto the court, something he had to do after the previously neutral commission recommending candidates for the post found Montgomery unqualified.

Arizona had a reputation for selecting judges based on merit until now.

What Ducey did to get his hyper-political pal on the court took time, patience and a Republican-controlled Legislature.

First, he got Republican lawmakers to add two seats to the Supreme Court, even though the chief justice just said it wasnt necessary.

Then Ducey filled those positions with judges aligned with his political agenda.

Then he politicized a supposedly neutral system for selecting judicial candidates, transforming the Commission on Appellate Court Appointments to make sure the only people who make it through the state's supposedly neutral process would be the candidates Ducey wanted. Like, for instance, Montgomery.

He did this by dumping commission members who hadnt supported Montgomery and replacing them. To do this, Ducey had to pull another fast one. The commission which is meant to reflect the diversity of Arizonas population no longer has a single Democrat on it. So-called "independents" with Republican leanings got the jobs.

Attorney Mark Harrison, a past president of the State Bar of Arizona, said in an op-ed for the Arizona Capitol Times that views of commissioners reported in the media following Montgomerys first appearance before the commission indicate that he was regarded as one of the least qualified of those seeking an appointment to the Supreme Court.

He added, Arizona has a judiciary recognized nationally for its excellence. As the result of the merit selection system, Arizona has been spared the unseemly partisan elections fueled by millions of dollars of special interest money. If the governor wants his legacy to reflect his commitment to merit selection and to an impartial, nonpartisan judiciary, he will appoint one of the several highly qualified candidates on the list sent to him one without Montgomerys political baggage and lack of appellate experience.

So when Democrats do this it's painted in a positive light. When Republicans do this, it's called packing the court.
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uwnim
09/06/19 1:16:08 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
uwnim posted...
pogo_rabid posted...
ScazarMeltex posted...
This is the national GOP game plan, and has been for years.

Both sides want complete control of everything. That's the point of a political party...

You can't both sides this. Democrats have acted against their own interests way too many times in an attempt to get republicans to like them. Republicans on the other hand consistently make attempts to create a single party state.

I can and I did. What are you gonna do about it?

Nope, you can't. It is impossible to do with any sincerity, so you didn't actually do it.
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Doom_Art
09/06/19 1:16:50 PM
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KJBDEFENDER posted...


So when Democrats do this it's painted in a positive light. When Republicans do this, it's called packing the court.
Context is king

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TheGoldenEel
09/06/19 1:18:55 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
Both sides want complete control of everything. That's the point of a political party...
Democrats arent a hive mind like the GOP

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Musourenka
09/06/19 1:19:46 PM
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Of course.

Why am I not surprised?
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sylverlolol
09/06/19 1:21:34 PM
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KJBDEFENDER posted...
So when Democrats do this it's painted in a positive light. When Republicans do this, it's called packing the court.

Well, one party has people in it that actually want to make the country a better place...the other is filled racism, bigotry, and an insane goal to eradicate any program or institution that may actually benefit society.
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Musourenka
09/06/19 1:30:30 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
KJBDEFENDER posted...
So when Democrats do this it's painted in a positive light. When Republicans do this, it's called packing the court.
Got it.
lmao no actual defense, just deflect to Democrats

Of course.

Never Play Defense.
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Tmaster148
09/06/19 1:31:54 PM
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I see conservatives are already deflecting to the democrats. Not a surprise because they don't want to admit they want to be run by fascists.
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pogo_rabid
09/06/19 2:08:55 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
KJBDEFENDER posted...
So when Democrats do this it's painted in a positive light. When Republicans do this, it's called packing the court.
Got it.
lmao no actual defense, just deflect to Democrats

So what should the republican party be doing? Filling the seats with people who disagree with them? Should the dems start campaigning for Trump?
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pogo_rabid
09/06/19 2:11:09 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
pogo_rabid posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
KJBDEFENDER posted...
So when Democrats do this it's painted in a positive light. When Republicans do this, it's called packing the court.
Got it.
lmao no actual defense, just deflect to Democrats

So what should the republican party be doing? Filling the seats with people who disagree with them? Should the dems start campaigning for Trump?



Youll have to try harder than that if you want me to bite

Who's deflecting now?
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KILBOTz
09/06/19 2:15:19 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
pogo_rabid posted...
Both sides want complete control of everything. That's the point of a political party...
Democrats arent a hive mind like the GOP


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DarkChozoGhost
09/06/19 2:23:22 PM
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People call both sides, but only the GOP does this.
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KStateKing17
09/06/19 2:27:56 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
People call both sides, but only the GOP does this.

See but the Democrats would have
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pogo_rabid
09/06/19 2:29:46 PM
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KStateKing17 posted...
DarkChozoGhost posted...
People call both sides, but only the GOP does this.

See but the Democrats would have

I wish they would. I'd love to see a left controlled gov't to bring the pendulum back...however to get mad at the GOP for doing so is just dumb.
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hockeybub89
09/06/19 2:30:19 PM
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I weep for racial minorities, LGBT folk, and the bodily rights of women
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divot1338
09/06/19 2:31:51 PM
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They must be planning to do some really illegal shit in next years elections.
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darkjedilink
09/06/19 2:33:07 PM
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So, are Dems saying court packing is bad?

Or is it only bad when Republicans do it?
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divot1338
09/06/19 2:40:36 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
So, are Dems saying court packing is bad?

Or is it only bad when Republicans do it?

Its not good to let seats go unfilled.

Its not necessarily good or bad to fill a bunch of seats but its covered by previous rule.

Put forward actual trained legal people and I could care less what you do. Just fucking behave the way youd prefer if the situation was reversed if acting like a human being is too difficult for you to manage.
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DarkChozoGhost
09/06/19 2:50:00 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
So, are Dems saying court packing is bad?

Or is it only bad when Republicans do it?

It is bad, and only Republicans do it.
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Unknown5uspect
09/06/19 2:53:50 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
KJBDEFENDER posted...
So when Democrats do this it's painted in a positive light. When Republicans do this, it's called packing the court.
Got it.
lmao no actual defense, just deflect to Democrats

So what should the republican party be doing? Filling the seats with people who disagree with them? Should the dems start campaigning for Trump?

How about not adding the seats to the Supreme Court to begin with?

First, he got Republican lawmakers to add two seats to the Supreme Court, even though the chief justice just said it wasnt necessary.
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darkjedilink
09/06/19 2:59:10 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
darkjedilink posted...
So, are Dems saying court packing is bad?

Or is it only bad when Republicans do it?

It is bad, and only Republicans do it.

So, if a Dem wins the Presidency, and they act on their campaign promise to pack the court (because pretty much all of them promise to), you'll condemn it?
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King_Hellebuyck
09/06/19 3:00:23 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
DarkChozoGhost posted...
darkjedilink posted...
So, are Dems saying court packing is bad?

Or is it only bad when Republicans do it?

It is bad, and only Republicans do it.

So, if a Dem wins the Presidency, and they act on their campaign promise to pack the court (because pretty much all of them promise to), you'll condemn it?

Only 1 Democrat has suggested they do that and its a fucking stupid plan
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miki_sauvester
09/06/19 8:05:19 PM
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Ducey seems like a smart guy.
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