Current Events > The bigger issue with cannabis legalization, honestly, is lack of education

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What about 50+ years of government propaganda?

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Cannabis being legalized opens the door for other ways to consume marijuana that aren't nearly as harmful as smoking it.

Some people will probably still do it regardless, but most people smoke it simply because they can't get it in any other form.
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That's a problem for another day. Fighting stupid is a lot harder than legalizing something
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Imagine believing inhaling smoke of any kind isn't going to cause cancer.

DuranOfForcena posted...

it's not about semantics

It seems to be pretty clearly about semantics.

You admit that there is no such thing as good smoke, yet will not believe that cannabis smoke can cause cancer until you see it specifically cause cancer, despite the established knowledge that organic smoke is inherently carcinogenic.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

imagine thinking something definitely causes cancer when there's been absolute zero reported, verified instances of that thing causing cancer

Since when does smoke inhalation not cause cancer? Smoke of all kinds is gonna fuck up your lungs, doesn't matter where it comes from.

konokonohamaru posted...

I don't have an issue with legalization but I find the culture of celebrating marijuana to be weird af

He ain't no rasta man
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Fair enough.

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The problems i have against it and would never vote for it is that now, while its illegal, we see how careless people are with. They have no problem forcing other people to smell it or no problem driving under the influence. There also needs to be a accurate roadside test.

On top of that it is unhealthy and i dont see any good reason to allow it recreationally without legalizing things like heroin.

DuranOfForcena posted...

so there is some other factor in play here with this particular kind of smoke that we don't yet understand.

The general lack of polonium contamination, in comparison to tobacco, is a good place to start looking.

DuranOfForcena posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

DuranOfForcena posted...

so there is some other factor in play here with this particular kind of smoke that we don't yet understand.

The general lack of polonium contamination, in comparison to tobacco, is a good place to start looking.

okay i gotta admit i have no clue wtf you've been talking about in this thread with the apatite and the benzene and the polonium and stuff, but you've got my curiosity piqued. have any recommendations on where exactly i should start looking?

https://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2008/08/29/radioactive-polonium-in-cigarette-smoke/

tl;dr
The fertilizers are made of a potassium-rich mineral that naturally contains trace amounts of radium, uranium, and thorium
Those trace elements can be absorbed directly by the plant (brazilnuts are a bit radioactive for the same reason)
Those elements also decay into radon, which pools under the tobacco leaves. As the radon decays to polonium, the sticky undersides of the tobacco leaf traps it there.

B__xx_Y_R0x posted...

The problems i have against it and would never vote for it is that now, while its illegal, we see how careless people are with. They have no problem forcing other people to smell it or no problem driving under the influence. There also needs to be a accurate roadside test.

On top of that it is unhealthy and i dont see any good reason to allow it recreationally without legalizing things like heroin.

So people should get locked up for a victimless "crime" because your nose is sensitive?

Lmao
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

So people should get locked up for a victimless "crime" because your nose is sensitive?

Lmao

No. People should get locked up because they are breaking the law. I was merely citing my reasons for voting against it. People are irresponsible with it, we cant legalize it without legalizing everything else if we are to be consistent with logic, not sure how to do road side tests, and its detrimental to your health from cancer to mental disorders such as schizophrenia. The fact that it stinks horribly is only icing on the cake. I just cant find a good reason to change my opinion. To each their own.

The fact that people still reply to Scotty on his boxxy account is sad.
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this topic was made to shitpost
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any type of smoke in your lungs probably isnt good for you.

that being said tho...

hey hey hey, smoke weed everyday
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B__xx_Y_R0x posted...

we cant legalize it without legalizing everything else if we are to be consistent with logic

We can't legalize alcohol or tobacco without legalizing weed....except wait, we totally did that.

Also everything else you said can be applied to virtually anything else.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

We can't legalize alcohol or tobacco without legalizing weed....except wait, we totally did that.

Also everything else you said can be applied to virtually anything else.

And the pro weed side is saying that isnt fair or just now. I see most of the pro weed side saying that they dont want drugs like heroin or cocaine legal. How can you then make the distinction between the drugs and hold the same argument? Either all drugs should be legal, all drugs should be illegal or we can just admit that we just want our own vices legal.

B__xx_Y_R0x posted...

How can you then make the distinction between the drugs and hold the same argument?

Well for starters, marijuana has significantly less health risks than stuff that's already available legally, while stuff like heroin, crack and meth are definitively worse.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Well for starters, marijuana has significantly less health risks than stuff that's already available legally, while stuff like heroin, crack and meth are definitively worse.

Ok. But i thought it didnt matter what people did with their own bodies as long as they werent effecting anyone. Why change the rules now?

I've shared my opinions before, but as someone in a country that recently legalized it; here are the problems:

1) Easier for younger people to obtain.
2) Hard to detect if someone is too high to work or drive (or impossible, depending on who is asked - the police are not properly trained).
3) The black market has gotten stronger due to higher costs/scarcity of 'legal' producers, but it is not 'illegal,' so it is difficult to track these sellers down.
4) The smell. Every night it stinks no matter where you are (at least, in my region).
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B__xx_Y_R0x posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Well for starters, marijuana has significantly less health risks than stuff that's already available legally, while stuff like heroin, crack and meth are definitively worse.

Ok. But i thought it didnt matter what people did with their own bodies as long as they werent effecting anyone. Why change the rules now?

You're talking to the wrong person. I'm for decriminalizing other drugs and instead focusing on rehabilitation for addicts.

But there's a reason nobody is pushing for heroin legalization.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

You're talking to the wrong person. I'm for decriminalizing other drugs and instead focusing on rehabilitation for addicts.

But there's a reason nobody is pushing for heroin legalization.

Well see, while we disagree i can respect your opinion because its consistent. Its the normal people who i see argue for pro weed that their argument falls apart when this point is brought up. I mean honestly, i wish they would rather they just admit that they are ok with others not getting theirs as long as they get theirs. At least that is a rational argument that doesnt fold onto itself. I mean, its not like the topic has a right or wrong answer in the first place

i totally agree. like any other recreational substance that poses health risks (alcohol, tobacco) people should be informed about the possible risks associated with weed. surgeon general's warnings and disclaimers on advertisements/etc seem appropriate.

do you have any medical opinion regarding vaping marijuana? ie no combustion (smoke). note that i am not referring to the oils / cartridges that are popular these days. just talking about vaping cannabis flower.
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Fun fact, Im hypersensitive to just secondhand vape, marijuana, and tobacco.

Ive never tried it firsthand, but I dont want to think about that when secondhand is enough to make me throw up for the next two hours, or worst of all, pass out.

So maybe edibles should be looked into more than smoking it.
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I disagree entirely with op (haven't read topic yet). Pretty much the best strategy to get something done politically is lying about the downsides of a policy by ignoring them while simultaneously overstating the benefits

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

i totally agree. like any other recreational substance that poses health risks (alcohol, tobacco) people should be informed about the possible risks associated with weed. surgeon general's warnings and disclaimers on advertisements/etc seem appropriate.

do you have any medical opinion regarding vaping marijuana? ie no combustion (smoke). note that i am not referring to the oils / cartridges that are popular these days. just talking about vaping cannabis flower.

I mean, not really. I cant think of anything it does better than modern medicine.

At the end of the day cigs and alcohol are much worse and they are legal. I see no reason not to legalize and make a shit ton of money for the government and private entrepreneurs.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

At the end of the day cigs and alcohol are much worse and they are legal. I see no reason not to legalize and make a shit ton of money for the government and private entrepreneurs.

Except that isnt true. At least with alcohol at least. MJ is better than cigarettes but its still pretty bad for you.

B__xx_Y_R0x posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

At the end of the day cigs and alcohol are much worse and they are legal. I see no reason not to legalize and make a shit ton of money for the government and private entrepreneurs.

Except that isnt true. At least with alcohol at least. MJ is better than cigarettes but its still pretty bad for you.

Alcohol is far more dangerous. It is far more habit forming, it is far more socially disastrous, and since it often doesn't have the same social stigma about it as does MJ, people are much more likely to assume they can "Do _______" while drunk as opposed to while being high.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Alcohol is far more dangerous. It is far more habit forming, it is far more socially disastrous, and since it often doesn't have the same social stigma about it as does MJ, people are much more likely to assume they can "Do _______" while drunk as opposed to while being high.

Alcohol is also good for the heart and in moderation, good for intelligence. MJ carries nothing close to that. And since we are talking about social stigmas, MJ is likeky to be more habit forming because people wrongly assume it isnt addictive.

I guess the main differences is that alcohol actually can have positive health factors and if nothing else makes you cooler to society.

And how isnt MJ socially disasterous? The common stereotypes with MJ makes them pariahs. And people are just as likely to drive and wreck high as they are drunk for the exact same reason. At least people know npt to drink and drive. Cant say the same thing about being high and driving.

Alcohol is basically better no matter how you look at it

B__xx_Y_R0x posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Alcohol is far more dangerous. It is far more habit forming, it is far more socially disastrous, and since it often doesn't have the same social stigma about it as does MJ, people are much more likely to assume they can "Do _______" while drunk as opposed to while being high.

Alcohol is also good for the heart and in moderation, good for intelligence. MJ carries nothing close to that. And since we are talking about social stigmas, MJ is likeky to be more habit forming because people wrongly assume it isnt addictive.

I guess the main differences is that alcohol actually can have positive health factors and if nothing else makes you cooler to society.

And how isnt MJ socially disasterous? The common stereotypes with MJ makes them pariahs. And people are just as likely to drive and wreck high as they are drunk for the exact same reason. At least people know npt to drink and drive. Cant say the same thing about being high and driving.

Alcohol is basically better no matter how you look at it

You can literally overdose on alcohol where you can't with marijuana. You also get drunk assholes that get physically violent. Nobody high off weed is trying to fight anything other than hunger pains and sleepiness lmao
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

You can literally overdose on alcohol where you can't with marijuana. You also get drunk assholes that get physically violent. Nobody high off weed is trying to fight anything other than hunger pains and sleepiness lmao

Thats ridiculous

B__xx_Y_R0x posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

You can literally overdose on alcohol where you can't with marijuana. You also get drunk assholes that get physically violent. Nobody high off weed is trying to fight anything other than hunger pains and sleepiness lmao

Thats ridiculous

How?
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

How?

Because i can google death by marijuana and find a ton of articles about people who have literally died from using.

And i dont even need to point out that anyone inebriated, no matter the drug can get into a fight. It literally all comes down to the individual

B__xx_Y_R0x posted...

Because i can google death by marijuana and find a ton of articles about people who have literally died from using.

LOL I'd love to see your research
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Go to google and type in "death by marijuana" then. Tons and tons of articles that im sure you would find intriguing and love

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

You can literally overdose on alcohol where you can't with marijuana. You also get drunk a******s that get physically violent. Nobody high off weed is trying to fight anything other than hunger pains and sleepiness lmao

people here always say weed doesnt impair driving

but im pretty sure isnt safe to drive while sleepy .....
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Legalize that shit. Tax that shit. Pass that shit.

No brainer, dont need to argue. If people can get drunk they should be able to legally get high; its far less deadly than cigs or booze. Facts

DuranOfForcena posted...

while it is true that cannabis may carry some health risks, i don't think any can be classified as major. there's certainly no evidence whatsoever that it can contribute at all to lung cancer.

You're inhaling smoke...it will definitely cause COPD

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Keith_Valentine posted...

Legalize that shit. Tax that shit. Pass that shit.

No brainer, dont need to argue. If people can get drunk they should be able to legally get high; its far less deadly than cigs or booze. Facts

Its not a fact. Its healthier than cigarettes but that isnt saying much. Alcohol literally has health benefits. That makes it the most healthy of the three.

We also have to look at mental health. Cannabis use is linked to mental illness. There are studies that show cannabis use as a precursor to first break psychiatric disorders (especially psychosis) in individuals who already have risk factors. While weed is already easily accessible, we will see a rise in mental illness with legalization especially among younger people. So just keep that in mind.

B__xx_Y_R0x posted...

Keith_Valentine posted...

Legalize that shit. Tax that shit. Pass that shit.

No brainer, dont need to argue. If people can get drunk they should be able to legally get high; its far less deadly than cigs or booze. Facts

Its not a fact. Its healthier than cigarettes but that isnt saying much. Alcohol literally has health benefits. That makes it the most healthy of the three.

Marijuana has boat loads of health benefits. It is used medicinally by hundreds of thousands of people.

Not alcohol.
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