Current Events > reminder that jesus was a literal socialist and advocated for social welfare

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@led-Zeppelin posted...

amazing just how wrong you are on all counts

Read some damn theory, you capitalist.

Who gives a shit what some ancient Jewish guy had to say about economics?
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Solid Snake07 posted...

Who gives a shit what some ancient Jewish guy had to say about economics?

yeah, you tell 'em snake
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Solid Snake07 posted...

Who gives a shit what some ancient Jewish guy had to say about economics?

"Don't use the church for profiteering" was some decent advice. Too bad we've forgotten it.

le-seul-dieu posted...

Rexdragon125 posted...

Capitalism has caused a mass extinction every time it's been tried

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Rexdragon125 posted...

Capitalism has caused a mass extinction every time it's been tried

Fug, can't really dispute this one.

Yeah, having to keep with the newest Iphone release has caused a mass extinction in my bank account.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Solid Snake07 posted...

Who gives a shit what some ancient Jewish guy had to say about economics?

"Don't use the church for profiteering" was some decent advice. Too bad we've forgotten it.

I would argue that's more of a moral guidance
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DarkRoast posted...

"Render until Caesar that which is Caesar's."

The trick there is determining what is truly Caesar's.
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Notti posted...

DarkRoast posted...

"Render until Caesar that which is Caesar's."

The trick there is determining what is truly Caesar's.

In this case, it was literally money.
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s0nicfan posted...

In this case, it was literally money.

God made everything, therefore everything is gods.

He was also a necromancer, then a liche.
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TC is correct.
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Jesus was able to feed people though.

coh posted...

Jesus was able to feed people though.

We produce enough resources to feed everyone on the planet, we just need the right people in charge.
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Also this whole topic reminds me of this

Shablagoo posted...

coh posted...

Jesus was able to feed people though.

We produce enough resources to feed everyone on the planet, we just need the right people in charge.

If you're thinking what I think you're thinking, that's a good way to start a planet-wide famine.

Humanity would look different in at least 2 ways if God were actually a socialist.

1. Wed have no free will. Whats the point if he wants enforced charity?

2. Socialism would actually work rather than result in mass starvation and death.

We would be more like ants than people. That would strip out the economic complexity that causes Marxist economics to implode in practice.
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Is this why socialist nations think a couple of loaves of bread are enough to feed their entire population?

jesus was an anarcho-pacifist

socialist, but not by means of state force, or any force by that matter

read tolstoy

knutjob posted...

Is this why socialist nations think a couple of loaves of bread are enough to feed their entire population?

lmao
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Shablagoo posted...

coh posted...

Jesus was able to feed people though.

We produce enough resources to feed everyone on the planet, we just need the right people in charge.

when the "right people" are in charge, we always end up feeding far less people than we did before
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TheMikh posted...

Shablagoo posted...

coh posted...

Jesus was able to feed people though.

We produce enough resources to feed everyone on the planet, we just need the right people in charge.

when the "right people" are in charge, we always end up feeding far less people than we did before

They werent really the right people then.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Shablagoo posted...

coh posted...

Jesus was able to feed people though.

We produce enough resources to feed everyone on the planet, we just need the right people in charge.

If you're thinking what I think you're thinking, that's a good way to start a planet-wide famine.

What do you think Im thinking? lol
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Jesus was never an American! so His opinions shouldn't matter to America!
*yeehaw intensifies*
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coh posted...

Also this whole topic reminds me of this

Underrated. And this is coming from a non-believer, but I tip my hat when its deserved.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

coh posted...

Also this whole topic reminds me of this

Underrated. And this is coming from a non-believer, but I tip my hat when its deserved.

Overrated if anything. Most of those backward religious beliefs arent in The Bible nor were they touted by Jesus. They are more like backward alt-right beliefs.
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Shablagoo posted...

Overrated if anything. Most of those backward religious beliefs arent in The Bible nor were they touted by Jesus. They are more like backward alt-right beliefs.

Youre missing the point. Im not surprised by that, but its interesting you mention backward alt-right beliefs, considering what I believe youve self labeled as in the past. I see more similarities than differences in either faith, Christian or Muslim. Its not in my interest to appeal to either of those ideologies, and it annoys me when my fellow non-believers, especially the more militant ones, try to.
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TC has completely lost his mind

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Shablagoo posted...

Overrated if anything. Most of those backward religious beliefs arent in The Bible nor were they touted by Jesus. They are more like backward alt-right beliefs.

Youre missing the point. Im not surprised by that, but its interesting you mention backward alt-right beliefs, considering what I believe youve self labeled as in the past. I see more similarities than differences in either faith, Christian or Muslim. Its not in my interest to appeal to either of those ideologies, and it annoys me when my fellow non-believers, especially the more militant ones, try to.

Look at the lives of Jesus and Muhammad rather than what scientology-esque movements may have drawn power from their names.

These guys didnt start religions, they reformed (or at least attempted to reform) their societies along progressive, social-wellness ideals.
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knutjob posted...

Is this why socialist nations think a couple of loaves of bread are enough to feed their entire population?

I am dying

Shablagoo posted...

Look at the lives of [...] Muhammad [...] reformed (or at least attempted to reform) their societies along progressive, social-wellness ideals.

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TheMikh posted...

Shablagoo posted...

coh posted...

Jesus was able to feed people though.

We produce enough resources to feed everyone on the planet, we just need the right people in charge.

when the "right people" are in charge, we always end up feeding far less people than we did before

This.

"The right people" don't thrust themselves into politics, aren't born into authority, and don't seek profit margins as a life goal, by definition. And the people who are in charge will always be from those three camps.
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Paragon21XX posted...

Shablagoo posted...

Look at the lives of [...] Muhammad [...] reformed (or at least attempted to reform) their societies along progressive, social-wellness ideals.

Where from comes the confusion? Read up on Arabic history. Muhammad set out to change the way his society treated disenfranchised groups like women, orphans, and the homeless.
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

TheMikh posted...

Shablagoo posted...

coh posted...

Jesus was able to feed people though.

We produce enough resources to feed everyone on the planet, we just need the right people in charge.

when the "right people" are in charge, we always end up feeding far less people than we did before

This.

"The right people" don't thrust themselves into politics, aren't born into authority, and don't seek profit margins as a life goal, by definition. And the people who are in charge will always be from those three camps.

Oh true, wasnt contradicting that. Just meant logistically speaking we could feed everybody and if the right people were in charge we would.
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

TheMikh posted...

Shablagoo posted...

coh posted...

Jesus was able to feed people though.

We produce enough resources to feed everyone on the planet, we just need the right people in charge.

when the "right people" are in charge, we always end up feeding far less people than we did before

This.

"The right people" don't thrust themselves into politics, aren't born into authority, and don't seek profit margins as a life goal, by definition. And the people who are in charge will always be from those three camps.

Profit margins provide the information the market needs to feed millions of people. Without price, the allocation of resources becomes arbitrary and millions starve.
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always strange to see christians refer to jesus in the past tense. according to them, he's still alive. lmao

coh posted...

Also this whole topic reminds me of this

I try not to be that way, but I don't see what's wrong with pointing out hypocrisy and other stuff like that when it comes to religion.
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Southernfatman posted...

coh posted...

Also this whole topic reminds me of this

I try not to be that way, but I don't see what's wrong with pointing out hypocrisy and other stuff like that when it comes to religion.

The party pointing out the hypocrisy is just as hypocritical in doing so.
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How much of Christianity's backwards religious beliefs have anything to do with the words and actions of Christ?
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TheMikh posted...

The party pointing out the hypocrisy is just as hypocritical in doing so.

How so? I guess there's no proper way to point it out, since almost every criticism is met with "fedora tip/euphoric/angsthiest".

Some of us are tired of religious people pushing it on us and using their religion to justify horrible things and laws all the while being giant hypocrites on certain subjects. I live in the south, i see this shit all the time.

I'm guessing calling them out is also pushing our ideas onto others?
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Southernfatman posted...

I'm guessing calling them out is also pushing our ideas onto others?

i've seen that defense before. it's laughable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazdak
Probably not as socialist as old Mazdak there though. He believed in the collective use of property and wealth for the good of all.
Naturally, the conservative clergy and nobility eventually purged him and his followers. It still survived even into the Islamic era and likely influenced a number of Islamic movements, especially Shia ones.

Southernfatman posted...

TheMikh posted...

The party pointing out the hypocrisy is just as hypocritical in doing so.

How so? I guess there's no proper way to point it out, since almost every criticism is met with "fedora tip/euphoric/angsthiest".

Some of us are tired of religious people pushing it on us and using their religion to justify horrible things and laws all the while being giant hypocrites on certain subjects. I live in the south, i see this shit all the time.

I'm guessing calling them out is also pushing our ideas onto others?

A person will seldom be persuaded to change their interpretation of their religion at the insistence of someone that neither practices it nor holds it in esteem, especially with clearly political motives.

Similarly, political ideologues dismiss criticism, presented by opponents of their ideology, through the lens of earlier advocates of their same ideological leaning but who held fundamentally different tenets.

China moved towards economic liberalization at the direction of officials of the Communist Party who justified it through a Marxist frame of reference. Likewise, abolitionism was initiated and accomplished in the West by Christians who justified it through a Christian frame of reference.

In short, criticism must come from the inside.

Taking the social and economic variables into consideration, mass immigration is an incredibly difficult sell to American conservatives that few can or will really try to justify it from the inside, aside from Neolibertarian think tanks and Christian socialists.

It should also be noted that many conservatives are a lot less devout than they used to be, thanks to the work of secularists over the past several decades, and as such have been increasingly drawing their values from nationalism as a result, making appeals to Christian values that much more difficult of a sell.
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don't push this idea that christianity made abolition possible.

Wewillrocku posted...

don't push this idea that christianity made abolition possible.

- More secular enlightenment thinkers were opposed to slavery in principle.
- Other secularists of the enlightenment tradition like Jefferson were fine with or tolerated slavery but were opposed to the slave trade.
- There were Christian denominations in support of slavery (particularly in the American South).
- Christians in the American North, particularly Quakers, were the preeminent driving force behind abolitionism as an organized movement across the Anglosphere.

And of course, once abolition was embraced at the national level, as was the case after the American civil war, lots of money and guns made abolition that much more effective - but that was not how it started.

The fact that you don't like it is not a refutation.
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TheMikh posted...

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Might as well not argue or debate or bring up anything then. Certain people should not continue to act douchey and hypocritical without being called on it. Letting them get away with it helps nothing either. I'm sure there have been people who finally were able to recognize their hypocrisy or whatever and learned to be more critical of their religion.
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TheMikh posted...

The fact that you don't like it is not a refutation.

that's a quotable defense of theism.

Reminder that Jesus probably wasnt any of those things and the Bible was written long after his death to fall in line with established religious doctrines of the cult and to fit perfectly within the larger puzzle of Hellenistically inspired escatology in contemporary Judaism.
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coh posted...

Also this whole topic reminds me of this

Doesn't really make sense as a response. The argument is used against people who DO claim to believe it and yet refuse to live it. Calling out hypocrisy isn't a logical error.
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s0nicfan posted...

Notti posted...

DarkRoast posted...

"Render until Caesar that which is Caesar's."

The trick there is determining what is truly Caesar's.

In this case, it was literally money.

le-seul-dieu posted...

s0nicfan posted...

In this case, it was literally money.

God made everything, therefore everything is gods.

Yeah I thought it was a clever way to end that argument since it can be taken so many ways.
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