Current Events > I like Elizabeth Warren. Too bad she's a hypocrite

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https://beta.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-like-elizabeth-warren-too-bad-shes-a-hypocrite/2019/09/11/409d5ed0-d4d3-11e9-86ac-0f250cc91758_story.html

The title is inflammatory and dumb...which got me to click on it. I mean he raises fair points

Godnorgosh posted...

The red flags are starting to pop up with her, without a doubt.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78005818

Starting to lol

Godnorgosh posted...

The red flags are starting to pop up with her, without a doubt.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78005818

Idk if its a red flag per se...just maybe dont act so holier than thou

Yeah, shes pretty terrible
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TC is a conservative and so is John_Galt so it's not like their opinions on democratic candidates matter one bit lol
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i don't honestly give a fuck who gives them money if they sign good policies and present themselves professionally

TheGreatGeno6 posted...

TC is a conservative and so is John_Galt so it's not like their opinions on democratic candidates matter one bit lol

Warren is who my vote is at the moment for the primary...soooooo.

And I am not a conservative

Fam_Fam posted...

i don't honestly give a fuck who gives them money if they sign good policies and present themselves professionally

You're not concerned that who gives them money will influence their policies?
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konokonohamaru posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

i don't honestly give a fuck who gives them money if they sign good policies and present themselves professionally

You're not concerned that who gives them money will influence their policies?

I have a different take. I don't care who gives them money as long as they're not Trump or any other republican.

Any democrat is better than any republican. Period.
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konokonohamaru posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

i don't honestly give a fuck who gives them money if they sign good policies and present themselves professionally

You're not concerned that who gives them money will influence their policies?

again, i don't care who gave them money if they rule responsibly and enact good policies.

Fam_Fam posted...

i don't honestly give a fuck who gives them money if they sign good policies and present themselves professionally

all fun and games until you get a bunch of half-baked legislation catering to the donors rather than the american people and another couple unnecessary wars
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Everyone's a hypocrite
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TheMikh posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

i don't honestly give a fuck who gives them money if they sign good policies and present themselves professionally

all fun and games until you get a bunch of half-baked legislation catering to the donors rather than the american people and another couple unnecessary wars

i agree that those would not be good policies

TheMikh posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

i don't honestly give a fuck who gives them money if they sign good policies and present themselves professionally

all fun and games until you get a bunch of half-baked legislation catering to the donors rather than the american people and another couple unnecessary wars

I dont think a president, who raises hundreds of millions, will cater to someone giving up to a 2.4k max lol

CruelBuffalo posted...

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The title is inflammatory and dumb...which got me to click on it. I mean he raises fair points

translation - MAGA

The double standard is amazing.

TheGreatGeno6 posted...

konokonohamaru posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

i don't honestly give a fuck who gives them money if they sign good policies and present themselves professionally

You're not concerned that who gives them money will influence their policies?

I have a different take. I don't care who gives them money as long as they're not Trump or any other republican.

Any democrat is better than any republican. Period.

taking into consideration that there there was a literal dixiecrat in congress up until this decade, i'd really reconsider that assertion
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YokoGeri posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-like-elizabeth-warren-too-bad-shes-a-hypocrite/2019/09/11/409d5ed0-d4d3-11e9-86ac-0f250cc91758_story.html

The title is inflammatory and dumb...which got me to click on it. I mean he raises fair points

translation - MAGA

The double standard is amazing.

What is the translation? The writer is a Democrat? Im a Democrat

TheMikh posted...

TheGreatGeno6 posted...

konokonohamaru posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

i don't honestly give a fuck who gives them money if they sign good policies and present themselves professionally

You're not concerned that who gives them money will influence their policies?

I have a different take. I don't care who gives them money as long as they're not Trump or any other republican.

Any democrat is better than any republican. Period.

taking into consideration that there there was a literal dixiecrat in congress up until this decade, i'd really reconsider that assertion

Dixiecrats are still better than Republicans. Not by much, but still.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

TheMikh posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

i don't honestly give a fuck who gives them money if they sign good policies and present themselves professionally

all fun and games until you get a bunch of half-baked legislation catering to the donors rather than the american people and another couple unnecessary wars

I dont think a president, who raises hundreds of millions, will cater to someone giving up to a 2.4k max lol

if you think small personal donations are how powerful people donate to and influence politicians, you're terribly mistaken
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If she wasnt being hypocritical, she would have taken only the dollars raised in smaller increments from her Senate race and transferred those into her presidential account.

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If she wasn't being hypocritical, she would have taken only the pennies in her bank account in small increments and transferred those into her piggy bank

It's a really dumb point that isn't hypocrisy. He's just criticizing a transfer and not pointing out the big dollar donations of that transfer. He also doesn't bother defining what's considered a big donation or a small donation. He goes off the legal limit for individuals, but if an organization gave her $1,001, he'd say it was too much.

Second, Warren attacked former vice president Joe Biden for holding a kickoff fundraiser in Philadelphia in April, which she criticized as a swanky private fund-raiser for wealthy donors in an email to supporters the next day.
Well, I helped organize that affair, and

Oh so you're pissed off that she attacked you, and you've been taking score since. You also forgot (read: intentionally left out) to mention in your article that you organized this event AT THE PHILEDELPHIA HOME OF COMCAST EXECUTIVE DAVID COHEN! Only hypocrite here is you.

Well, I helped organize that affair, and I thought her attack was extremely hypocritical because nearly 20 of us who attended the Biden fundraiser had also given her $2,000 or more in 2018 at closed-door fundraisers in swanky locations.

Refuses to name those "swanky" locations, and refuses to name the 20 individuals. By not naming who gave her money, he doesn't have to prove he knows those 20 people. He can just throw the number out there to make her look bad, but it incidentally makes him look well connected in political fundraising for big companies with bad reputations.

This guy's a joke.

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I feel like you'd be less charitable to this piece had it come from a Sanders supporter instead of a Biden donor. Isn't this the sort of surrogate sniping you decried when it was directed at Beto?
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Intro2Logic posted...

I feel like you'd be less charitable to this piece had it come from a Sanders supporter instead of a Biden donor. Isn't this the sort of surrogate sniping you decried when it was directed at Beto?

Id feel the same. Im a Warren supporter. Thank you

AND THIS MALARKEY

I also take issue with the notion...that people who give the maximum allowable individual donation of $2,800 to a presidential candidate are doing so because they believe it will get them a federal job, win their business a federal contract or even gain special access.
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Are there some people who give or raise money in presidential campaigns with ulterior motives? Sure, but...

No, no buts.

And, by the way, Philadelphia has a lot more swanky restaurants that you havent seen yet.

You can't flaunt swanky places while at the same time defending yourself from the label of swanky.

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TheMikh posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

TheMikh posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

i don't honestly give a fuck who gives them money if they sign good policies and present themselves professionally

all fun and games until you get a bunch of half-baked legislation catering to the donors rather than the american people and another couple unnecessary wars

I dont think a president, who raises hundreds of millions, will cater to someone giving up to a 2.4k max lol

if you think small personal donations are how powerful people donate to and influence politicians, you're terribly mistaken

Thats a separate issue, not whats being discussed

CruelBuffalo posted...

YokoGeri posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-like-elizabeth-warren-too-bad-shes-a-hypocrite/2019/09/11/409d5ed0-d4d3-11e9-86ac-0f250cc91758_story.html

The title is inflammatory and dumb...which got me to click on it. I mean he raises fair points

translation - MAGA

The double standard is amazing.

What is the translation? The writer is a Democrat? Im a Democrat

Yeah. And you guys hold your candidates to stupidly high standards, which result in us getting trump.

CruelBuffalo posted...

TheMikh posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

TheMikh posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

i don't honestly give a fuck who gives them money if they sign good policies and present themselves professionally

all fun and games until you get a bunch of half-baked legislation catering to the donors rather than the american people and another couple unnecessary wars

I dont think a president, who raises hundreds of millions, will cater to someone giving up to a 2.4k max lol

if you think small personal donations are how powerful people donate to and influence politicians, you're terribly mistaken

Thats a separate issue, not whats being discussed

ah, fair enough
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untrustful posted...

It's a really dumb point that isn't hypocrisy. He's just criticizing a transfer and not pointing out the big dollar donations of that transfer. He also doesn't bother defining what's considered a big donation or a small donation. He goes off the legal limit for individuals, but if an organization gave her $1,001, he'd say it was too much.

Huh? He's saying that she did the exact same thing that Biden is doing and then she took the money she raised and is using it for her current presidential race. So she is criticizing Biden for raising money from big money donors, while she is using money from big money donors, raised in the exact same way, herself. How is that not hypocritical?

My 2 cents, you should take money from everyone who will give it to you, and the decision to do a grassroots only campaign is more of a strategic decision regarding what kind of fundraising you think is more feasible and efficient for the kind of campaign you want to run. The ethical arguments that we see in public, like the one Warren made about Biden, is pure political theater. You kind of expect it, but it's still blatantly hypocritical when the switch flips in a matter of months

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Balrog0 posted...

He's saying that she did the exact same thing that Biden is doing and then she took the money she raised and is using it for her current presidential race.

Without backing it up with evidence in his own article. It's a baseless claim on his part.

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CruelBuffalo posted...

Thats a separate issue, not whats being discussed

I mean it is, though. Ed Rendell is important not because he can personally donate a couple thousand, it's because he has dozens of friends who will come to these swanky parties and donate a couple thousand each. Like if he got 100 people to show upat 2.7k each and that's more than a quarter of a million in a night. That's more than some candidates have raised all together lol

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YokoGeri posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

YokoGeri posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-like-elizabeth-warren-too-bad-shes-a-hypocrite/2019/09/11/409d5ed0-d4d3-11e9-86ac-0f250cc91758_story.html

The title is inflammatory and dumb...which got me to click on it. I mean he raises fair points

translation - MAGA

The double standard is amazing.

What is the translation? The writer is a Democrat? Im a Democrat

Yeah. And you guys hold your candidates to stupidly high standards, which result in us getting trump.

Im fine with fair criticism of candidates, even ones I support. Not a fan of being as dramatic as the former gov though

untrustful posted...

Without backing it up with evidence in his own article. It's a baseless claim on his part.

You can just look at the financial statements if you really disbelieve him, but it's not exactly a secret that this is how political candidates raise money.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-2020.html

On the highest floor of the tallest building in Boston, Senator Elizabeth Warren was busy collecting big checks from some of the citys politically connected insiders. It was April 2018 and Ms. Warren, up for re-election, was at a breakfast fund-raiser hosted for her by John M. Connors Jr., one of the old-guard power brokers of Massachusetts.

Soon after, Ms. Warren was in Manhattan doing the same. There would be trips to Hollywood and Silicon Valley, Marthas Vineyard and Philadelphia all with fund-raisers on the agenda. She collected campaign funds at the private home of at least one California megadonor, and was hosted by another in Florida. She held finance events until two weeks before her all-but-assured re-election last November.

Then, early this year, Ms. Warren made a bold bet that would delight the left: She announced she was quitting this big-money circuit in the 2020 presidential primary, vowing not to attend private fund-raisers or dial up rich donors anymore. Admirers and activists praised her stand but few noted the fact that she had built a financial cushion by pocketing big checks the years before.
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untrustful posted...

Balrog0 posted...

He's saying that she did the exact same thing that Biden is doing and then she took the money she raised and is using it for her current presidential race.

Without backing it up with evidence in his own article. It's a baseless claim on his part.

But do you think the gov would lie about these claims? It doesnt seem farfetched

Balrog0 posted...

I mean it is, though. Ed Rendell is important not because he can personally donate a couple thousand, it's because he has dozens of friends who will come to these swanky parties and donate a couple thousand each. Like if he got 100 people to show upat 2.7k each and that's more than a quarter of a million in a night. That's more than some candidates have raised all together lol

Exactly. This guy who wrote this article likes to pretend it's only approximately 2k when it's really more than that, and the money is not only about "who's the best person to lead the country" but about what that person will do for that group.

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CruelBuffalo posted...

But do you think the gov would lie about these claims?

At the very least he's biased, like any human being would be. He's just as vulnerable to faults like lying as the rest of us.

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Balrog0 posted...

untrustful posted...

Without backing it up with evidence in his own article. It's a baseless claim on his part.

You can just look at the financial statements if you really disbelieve him, but it's not exactly a secret that this is how political candidates raise money.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-2020.html

On the highest floor of the tallest building in Boston, Senator Elizabeth Warren was busy collecting big checks from some of the citys politically connected insiders. It was April 2018 and Ms. Warren, up for re-election, was at a breakfast fund-raiser hosted for her by John M. Connors Jr., one of the old-guard power brokers of Massachusetts.

Soon after, Ms. Warren was in Manhattan doing the same. There would be trips to Hollywood and Silicon Valley, Marthas Vineyard and Philadelphia all with fund-raisers on the agenda. She collected campaign funds at the private home of at least one California megadonor, and was hosted by another in Florida. She held finance events until two weeks before her all-but-assured re-election last November.

Then, early this year, Ms. Warren made a bold bet that would delight the left: She announced she was quitting this big-money circuit in the 2020 presidential primary, vowing not to attend private fund-raisers or dial up rich donors anymore. Admirers and activists praised her stand but few noted the fact that she had built a financial cushion by pocketing big checks the years before.
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Importantly, Sen. Warren hasn't ruled out this kind of fundraising(or accepting corporate funds) in the general if she wins the nomination.