Current Events > 1 In 16 Women Reports First Sexual Experience As Rape

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cjsdowg posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Even if the entire 16% is as convoluted as this topic believes it to be, that still leaves millions of women experience their first sex as rape.

That that fact is getting down played because people are being lose with the terms.

TLC a women's singing group had a song called " Ain't 2 Proud 2 Beg". No one in their right minds would call that a rape anthem.

Where are we even getting the idea that hundreds of thousands of women are claiming rape because their first boyfriend begged for sex? It doesn't say that in the study or the article.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Where are we even getting the idea that hundreds of thousands of women are claiming rape because their first boyfriend begged for sex? It doesn't say that in the study or the article.

More than 26% said they were physically threatened during the encounter, 46% said they were physically held down. Over half (56%) of them said they were verbally pressured into having sex, and 16% said that their partner threatened to end the relationship if they didn't have sex. These forms of coercion were not mutually exclusive.
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Its sad that so many people on CE are so dismissive about rape and sexual abuse.

What, she said yes (eventually). That cant be rape!
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cjsdowg posted...

I hate to be that guy.... but ...

Over half (56%) of them said they were verbally pressured into having sex, and 16% said that their partner threatened to end the relationship if they didn't have sex. These forms of coercion were not mutually exclusive.

Is saying that you will leave someone if they don't have sex with you really rape ?

It's not. It's called making your own GODDAMN decisions in life.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Its sad that so many people on CE are so dismissive about rape and sexual abuse.

What, she said yes (eventually). That cant be rape!

Male victims of sexual assault are outright ignored or mocked here.
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Ilishe posted...

cjsdowg posted...

I hate to be that guy.... but ...

Over half (56%) of them said they were verbally pressured into having sex, and 16% said that their partner threatened to end the relationship if they didn't have sex. These forms of coercion were not mutually exclusive.

Is saying that you will leave someone if they don't have sex with you really rape ?

It's not. It's called making your own GODDAMN decisions in life.

The women that do this have a history of sexual abuse starting as kids. But for some reason it's taboo to talk about this.
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"...And when youre a star they let you do it. You can do anything Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

KingArthur3D posted...

"...And when youre a star they let you do it. You can do anything Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

I asked some place else but I forgot what post that was in so I will ask here...

Is that real ?
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Good damn CE has some utterly garbage shit stains, judging from just a glance at this topic.
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TheGreatGeno6 posted...

konokonohamaru posted...

Vol2tex posted...

Over half (56%) of them said they were verbally pressured into having sex, and 16% said that their partner threatened to end the relationship if they didn't have sex.

that's not rape

Exactly. As another poster said, just where do you draw the line?

If you ask and then she says no, then you ask again and say please, then she says yes, is that still rape? What if you wait a few weeks before asking again and she says yes, is it still rape? Are you only ever allowed to ask a girl to have sex with you one time and if she says no then she can never change her mind without it being rape?

I want someone to answer this
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TheGreatGeno6 posted...

So if a guy begs a girl to have sex over and over but does NOT ever threaten her and the girl agrees to it, then it is rape?

That's a grey area. I do hear of girls who are relentlessly pressured and just give up and get it over with it. It's clear she doesn't want it but just wants the pressure to end. How do you classify this?
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Without going through every post, is this a giant topic of "Yeah, but is X *really* rape?"

...Is it?

Because I'm worried that's what it is.
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You should feel gross begging, needling and pouting for sex whether it's illegal or not. Have some damn pride and stop trying to f*** girls who are obviously only acquiescing to shut you up.
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This topic always brings out the worst of CE. There are SJWs who will believe anything is rape and there are guys who will consider what is and what isn't rape. There's no trying to even be central or reasonable with this. Everyone has an extreme view. Yall should be ashamed of yourself.
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A large percentage of virgin men arguing what is rape or not is cringy af
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You guys really need to tone down the goofy outrage. People are saying that saying they'll end the relationship if the woman doesn't want to have sex with them isn't rape. It's possible that the context behind that could be shitty, but it's also valid for someone to want to end a relationship if they feel like they're not a good mix. Just lashing out at people saying that makes you look like a nut.
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is dingy as taking a dump.

Begging and constant pleading are pathetic, but the other person always has a choice to leave. Putting that anywhere near actual assault is no different than those horrid college statistics.

It's getting to the point where women are using rape/sexual assault accusations as a weapon to purposely destroy a man's life. If they can prove that it really happened then we'll believe it.
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Fucking hilarious. CE is quick to defend slut shaming but beg for sex then you are the biggest loser in the world.
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Meh, I have only one definition of rape.
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konokonohamaru posted...

Vol2tex posted...

Over half (56%) of them said they were verbally pressured into having sex, and 16% said that their partner threatened to end the relationship if they didn't have sex.

that's not rape

Exactly! They had a choice to have sex and could've turned it down. They were not forced.
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Dark_Garioshi posted...

Jesus fucking Christ, 3 MILLION?

Yeah, weve been saying that rape is a problem for a very long time now. It isnt surprising.
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TheGreatGeno6 posted...

It is fucked up and morally wrong and makes you a shit person, but it is NOT rape.

It is when the girl is 15 and the man is 27. Its called statutory rape for a reason.

Vol2tex posted...

The average age of their partner was 27

Eww why are dey going for 15 year olds
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Sad_Face posted...

TheGreatGeno6 posted...

So if a guy begs a girl to have sex over and over but does NOT ever threaten her and the girl agrees to it, then it is rape?

That's a grey area. I do hear of girls who are relentlessly pressured and just give up and get it over with it. It's clear she doesn't want it but just wants the pressure to end. How do you classify this?

Time to end the relationship.
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15 out of 16 don't.

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EbonTitanium posted...

Sad_Face posted...

TheGreatGeno6 posted...

So if a guy begs a girl to have sex over and over but does NOT ever threaten her and the girl agrees to it, then it is rape?

That's a grey area. I do hear of girls who are relentlessly pressured and just give up and get it over with it. It's clear she doesn't want it but just wants the pressure to end. How do you classify this?

Time to end the relationship.

The logical choice.

Too bad we're talking about young teenagers.
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I dunno about yall but when I was a teenager most the girls my age didn't like us guys the same age. The liked older men.
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Bio1590 posted...

The logical choice.

Too bad we're talking about young teenagers.

Dont you know, young kids and teenagers should know better. Clearly, they are just as mentally developed as 27 year olds. Its not like we have laws that take that into account or anything.

Cleo_II posted...

Bio1590 posted...

The logical choice.

Too bad we're talking about young teenagers.

Dont you know, young kids and teenagers should know better. Clearly, they are just as mentally developed as 27 year olds. Its not like we have laws that take that into account or anything.

Remember this is the same forum where someone legit said its ok to date ten year olds. >___>
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All I'll say is that if you guys have dealer friends, listen to them. They might tell you about some experiences that are horrifying and eye opening. There's a lot of otherwise "normal" people who have really messed up ideas about how sex works and where the boundaries are. They don't think of themselves as rapists and think of themselves as good people, but they're leaving a lot of scars.

We should all do our best not to be one of those people, and the best way to do that is to define what's acceptable by enthusiastic consent, not what we want to do or are allowed to do.
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EIiza posted...

Sad_Face posted...

TheGreatGeno6 posted...

So if a guy begs a girl to have sex over and over but does NOT ever threaten her and the girl agrees to it, then it is rape?

That's a grey area. I do hear of girls who are relentlessly pressured and just give up and get it over with it. It's clear she doesn't want it but just wants the pressure to end. How do you classify this?

Maybe view women as autonomous beings capable of making decisions? If this were the other way around and it were women pressuring men into sex (which happens all the time), you wouldn't care.

There's not the same omni present threat of physical violence from a bad reaction to rejection. Plus it's not okay when women pressure men either. Why not just advocate for that as a universal value instead of making false equivalencies or asserting what other people care about or derailing a conversation?
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Cleo_II posted...

Bio1590 posted...

The logical choice.

Too bad we're talking about young teenagers.

Dont you know, young kids and teenagers should know better. Clearly, they are just as mentally developed as 27 year olds. Its not like we have laws that take that into account or anything.

Cleo lemme ask you this if you don't mind and also don't mind answering:

During your teen years do you think you had the thought process of knowing better than to talk or date older men?
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CyricZ posted...

Without going through every post, is this a giant topic of "Yeah, but is X *really* rape?"

...Is it?

Because I'm worried that's what it is.

I'm sorry to reveal that that is exactly what a large amount of the posts say.
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cjsdowg posted...

I hate to be that guy.... but ...

Over half (56%) of them said they were verbally pressured into having sex, and 16% said that their partner threatened to end the relationship if they didn't have sex. These forms of coercion were not mutually exclusive.

Is saying that you will leave someone if they don't have sex with you really rape ?

Pressuring someone who doesn't want to have sex into having sex is not consensual thus rape.
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legendary_zell posted...

All I'll say is that if you guys have female friends, listen to them. They might tell you about some experiences that are horrifying and eye opening. There's a lot of otherwise "normal" people who have really messed up ideas about how sex works and where the boundaries are. They don't think of themselves as rapists and think of themselves as good people, but they're leaving a lot of scars.

We should all do our best not to be one of those people, and the best way to do that is to define what's acceptable by enthusiastic consent, not what we want to do or are allowed to do.

@legendary_zell I know you meant to say female so I edited it here and you can edit your original.

But yeah that's basically what I said earlier in the topic. If they trust you enough to confide in you you learn some FUCKED things. And sometimes they "tell" you in the way things are phrased but it's not obvious. Like I have one friend who once said "I wish I could have waited" (for her first time) and that's how I found out, and it happening completely changed the course of her life and still impacts her.
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Even if you were to remove the 16% threatened to end the relationship or the 56% verbally pressured, you still have way too many women being held down(46%) and threatened with physical violence(26%) during their first sexual encounter, thus being violently raped.

But it doesn't surprise me at all that the majority of people here want to ignore that reality while focusing on the one to confirm their own biases and narrative they want to be true.

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FrozenXylophone posted...

Can't say he coerced me by saying he would break up if you already said I do.

Literally what?

You know spousal rape is absolutely a real thing, right? Jfc

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The Great Muta 22 posted...

FrozenXylophone posted...

Can't say he coerced me by saying he would break up if you already said I do.

Literally what?

You know spousal rape is absolutely a real thing, right? Jfc

You purposefully misinterpretted that, so here is a fact bomb.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape

Rape by a spouse, partner or ex-partner is more often associated with physical violence. A nine-nation study within the European Union found that current or ex-partners were the perpetrators of around 25% of all sexual assaults, and that violence was more common in assaults by ex-partners (50% of the time) and partners (40%) than in assaults by strangers or recent acquaintances (25%).[175]

Boom

_Matchabuu_ posted...

Remember this is the same forum where someone legit said its ok to date ten year olds. >___>

I try to tell myself I need to stop being surprised at how low people can go on CE but I just cant help it.

Veggeta_MAX posted...

Cleo lemme ask you this if you don't mind and also don't mind answering:

During your teen years do you think you had the thought process of knowing better than to talk or date older men?

I did but I also grew up in a home with educated, middle class parents who cared about me. I had an older brother who looked out for me and taught me a lot about boys. Not every girl is going to have the same background though. Id wager many came from home environments that made them more susceptible to predators. Also I know that I absolutely did not have the same maturity at 15 than I did at 27, and the thought of someone I liked not liking me anymore or threatening to break up with me would have been far more devastating to me then.

But of course, CE gonna CE. Now statutory rape is not a thing

But back to my own experience, why do you think teenage girls liked older men? I mean I'm sure we all thought older people means they are more mature, they have money, they have a car and all the stuff we couldn't have as teenagers and it's prolly what attracted girls to older men. What is your opinion on this? Also anyone can answer this and give me their opinion as well.
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I remember some girls in my junior high showing off that they were dating high school guys.
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@Cleo_II posted...

TheGreatGeno6 posted...

It is fucked up and morally wrong and makes you a shit person, but it is NOT rape.

It is when the girl is 15 and the man is 27. Its called statutory rape for a reason.

Yes, but they did not specify between an underage girl and an adult man. I'm only referring to couples where both are adults or both are underage.

TheGreatGeno6 posted...

TheGreatGeno6 posted...

konokonohamaru posted...

Vol2tex posted...

Over half (56%) of them said they were verbally pressured into having sex, and 16% said that their partner threatened to end the relationship if they didn't have sex.

that's not rape

Exactly. As another poster said, just where do you draw the line?

If you ask and then she says no, then you ask again and say please, then she says yes, is that still rape? What if you wait a few weeks before asking again and she says yes, is it still rape? Are you only ever allowed to ask a girl to have sex with you one time and if she says no then she can never change her mind without it being rape?

I want someone to answer this

I still want someone to fucking answer this
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Vol2tex posted...

I remember some girls in my junior high showing off that they were dating high school guys.

This. But is this something we can blame them for?
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

But back to my own experience, why do you think teenage girls liked older men? I mean I'm sure we all thought older people means they are more mature, they have money, they have a car and all the stuff we couldn't have as teenagers and it's prolly what attracted girls to older men. What is your opinion on this? Also anyone can answer this and give me their opinion as well.

Assuming girl is in HS 16-18

At that age girls often see guys their age as immature but older guy is on their level.
Older guys have more body mass than highschool students. More muscles. Likely taller.
More money means better gifts.
Can drive (unless like a felon lol).
Can take them places they need an adult to get in.
Perception that they got their route in life worked out and HS guy is clueless and lost. (Reverse is usually true)
These types of guys are usually skilled on playing to the interests of the girl. They make it seem like they care about what she does. In contrast HS dude just wants to play Halo.

FrozenXylophone posted...

Veggeta_MAX posted...

But back to my own experience, why do you think teenage girls liked older men? I mean I'm sure we all thought older people means they are more mature, they have money, they have a car and all the stuff we couldn't have as teenagers and it's prolly what attracted girls to older men. What is your opinion on this? Also anyone can answer this and give me their opinion as well.

Assuming girl is in HS 16-18

At that age girls often see guys their age as immature but older guy is on their level.
Older guys have more body mass than highschool students. More muscles. Likely taller.
More money means better gifts.
Can drive (unless like a felon lol).
Can take them places they need an adult to get in.
Perception that they got their route in life worked out and HS guy is clueless and lost. (Reverse is usually true)
These types of guys are usually skilled on playing to the interests of the girl. They make it seem like they care about what she does. In contrast HS dude just wants to play Halo.

But these idea and perception are inherent and self-taught aren't they? Or are older guys the one who actually preys this logic toward younger girls?
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